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An old article on this person was deleted for being promotional. This is apparently a newly created version, and yet many of the references are old and out of date, with "access dates" up to seven years old, despite the article being created less than 3 months ago. I have taken out a bunch of dead and irrelevant links, but there probably needs more work done on this. Alongside this, some of the claims in the article are unclear. Just for one, the opening paragraph says she has "won three touring car championship titles" - neither of the supporting references seem to verify that (they certainly don't use that wording); the infobox lists one, the results section of the article says nothing of the sort, and her current W Series profile says she has had 3 podium finishes. What is going on here? Melcous ( talk) 08:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Melcous: Hello! We got an email in OTRS about this article and I try to help the person seemingly fight with you about the article content. First, I need your help! Could you please tell me where and who were those multiple editors disputing facts, and what those facts were? The email mentioned that the removed information was sourced but there are so many criss-cross changes in the article that I cannot figure out exactly what was disputed by whom and on what basis, and what its original sources may have been.
I would like to prevent an unnecessary friction with editors who may not be able to read foreign language (Hungarian) sources, or editors who are not familar with the Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you for your help! -- grin ✎ 08:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Melcous: @ S Marshall: @ DGG: I am well aware of the editor attitude and please note that this was specifically not my question. (You are probably aware as well that people unfamililar with Wikipedia often think that repeatedly inserting anything without a discussion is acceptable, and things happen like it did here. I do not have time now to teach them how to edit - I am here to help with the article content.)
My question was - and I think it is a rather important difference - what was the problem with the content. I am not interested in the behaviour of the editors making any or all of the edits, nor their intents; I specifically asked about the objections about the content. As far as I am able to judge (which is admittedly not much since I am not really involved in motor sports) this young lady has been winning a lot of races, has been in the first few places of championships since a pretty young age, has been national champion and female champion of various races and seems to have collected numerous accolades throughout. The facts seem to be backed up by almost a hundred independent sources. I am quite puzzled about how this article can't hit either Notability (like motorsports 1, 3 and 5), Verifiability (50+ sources) or else (deletion was voted by the specific two persons we have here), so this is why I ask you here. If the content of the article meets the guidelines then I see no reason not to keep it, apart from any possible de-advertisement cleanup (though I have skimmed through and I see no obvious problems in the article). Thank you! -- grin ✎ 10:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Just informing whoever follow the page that the same editor who started the last deletion started a deletion review here, making statements about the people voted. -- grin ✎ 18:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for this message. That editor accused me of being "suspicious" and didn't even bother to notify me. He made accusations of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry against multiple other people who commented on the AfD as well, and he likely dd not notify them either. Anyone who commented on the AfD may wish to follow that link to see whether or not we count as "good faith editors" according to an admin. Also, isn't it a requirement for him to have posted something either on the article or this talk page about that deletion review? Hyperion35 ( talk) 03:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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An old article on this person was deleted for being promotional. This is apparently a newly created version, and yet many of the references are old and out of date, with "access dates" up to seven years old, despite the article being created less than 3 months ago. I have taken out a bunch of dead and irrelevant links, but there probably needs more work done on this. Alongside this, some of the claims in the article are unclear. Just for one, the opening paragraph says she has "won three touring car championship titles" - neither of the supporting references seem to verify that (they certainly don't use that wording); the infobox lists one, the results section of the article says nothing of the sort, and her current W Series profile says she has had 3 podium finishes. What is going on here? Melcous ( talk) 08:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Melcous: Hello! We got an email in OTRS about this article and I try to help the person seemingly fight with you about the article content. First, I need your help! Could you please tell me where and who were those multiple editors disputing facts, and what those facts were? The email mentioned that the removed information was sourced but there are so many criss-cross changes in the article that I cannot figure out exactly what was disputed by whom and on what basis, and what its original sources may have been.
I would like to prevent an unnecessary friction with editors who may not be able to read foreign language (Hungarian) sources, or editors who are not familar with the Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you for your help! -- grin ✎ 08:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Melcous: @ S Marshall: @ DGG: I am well aware of the editor attitude and please note that this was specifically not my question. (You are probably aware as well that people unfamililar with Wikipedia often think that repeatedly inserting anything without a discussion is acceptable, and things happen like it did here. I do not have time now to teach them how to edit - I am here to help with the article content.)
My question was - and I think it is a rather important difference - what was the problem with the content. I am not interested in the behaviour of the editors making any or all of the edits, nor their intents; I specifically asked about the objections about the content. As far as I am able to judge (which is admittedly not much since I am not really involved in motor sports) this young lady has been winning a lot of races, has been in the first few places of championships since a pretty young age, has been national champion and female champion of various races and seems to have collected numerous accolades throughout. The facts seem to be backed up by almost a hundred independent sources. I am quite puzzled about how this article can't hit either Notability (like motorsports 1, 3 and 5), Verifiability (50+ sources) or else (deletion was voted by the specific two persons we have here), so this is why I ask you here. If the content of the article meets the guidelines then I see no reason not to keep it, apart from any possible de-advertisement cleanup (though I have skimmed through and I see no obvious problems in the article). Thank you! -- grin ✎ 10:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Just informing whoever follow the page that the same editor who started the last deletion started a deletion review here, making statements about the people voted. -- grin ✎ 18:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for this message. That editor accused me of being "suspicious" and didn't even bother to notify me. He made accusations of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry against multiple other people who commented on the AfD as well, and he likely dd not notify them either. Anyone who commented on the AfD may wish to follow that link to see whether or not we count as "good faith editors" according to an admin. Also, isn't it a requirement for him to have posted something either on the article or this talk page about that deletion review? Hyperion35 ( talk) 03:02, 5 March 2021 (UTC)