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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Social media sites aren't reliable references and shouldn't be in references - can you remove those? Thanks.
✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 03:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey! I made some edits to the page because there was a warning that the content was unverified and biased. it shows as a total change because my browser didn't let me publish, so I had to copy and paste my work through tabs. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penini S ( talk • contribs) 13:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
This article has many weasel words, alleged statements, and reads more like a he-said-she-said opinion piece than a Wikipedia article at times. I also found that before I made any edits, there were sentences copied verbatim from its sources, I removed those I noticed but I suspect there are more. This article does not seem to meet Wikipedia standards of reliability in my opinion. LivLovisa ( talk) 19:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Doing a note about the COI template. Visegrád 24, the subject of this article, posted on X to have people change the article ( [1] [2]) and a flood of new accounts have been editing the article. Given this, there is a high-chance one or more editors who have recently edited the article are COI. Page Protection has already been requested. Noting, I saw this article on my watchlist and was alerted off-Wikipedia by a friend to the posts by Visegrád 24, which prompted a look from me. The article was already tagged by other editors with several templates, so I did a brief TNT of about half the article and re-wrote it. But, COI is a high potential here, given the posts. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 23:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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"Pallywood" in the section regarding the Israel-Hamas war is misspelled as "Pallyywood". Please fix this. LivLovisa ( talk) 00:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
I improved the section on the Israel Hamas war. AFP was noting that crisis actor conspiracy theories were being pushed on social media, it did not refer to Visegrad 24 as a crisis actor.
Pinging @ WeatherWriter. Isi96 ( talk) 05:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
i request to delete immediately all info based on oko press. oko press is a extreme far left wing media. it is propagandist of far left powers in Poland and never can be treated as reliable source for anything. it was founded as described on their own page by Agora(far left propagandist) and "private person" in order to attack PIS government. Jarek19800 ( talk) 10:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Section "Content" should be renamed to "Misinformation" as it describes missinfo examples exclusively. Also that section seems to be disproportionate in comparison to the rest of the article Saletri ( talk) 22:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Title of the section should be shortened to only relationship with Polish govt. so called ties with "right wing elements" mentioned in the section are rather comic. it is only Hungarian ambassador taging and some lady. by the way this article is not a place for presenting cv of lady. so changes needed are: get rid of mentioning of Hungarian ambassador and lady with her whole cv(i am laughing even writing it, it must have been written by some 10 year kid) and change title of section to Relationship with Polish govt (by the way former one so maybe whole section is to be deleted ) Jarek19800 ( talk) 19:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
The Visegrád 24 publishes news and not advertisements. Why is it called an Advertising agency ? Forest576 ( talk) 13:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
WeatherWriter would you give a more clear explanation for removal of Fake news website category because your edit-summary NPOV cat does not make sense in this case. That category exists for a reason, and it is full of articles about fake news and misinformation websites and media outlets, yet you think that this article, which is almost entirely about misinformation and fake news business and thoroughly describes how this outlet and its website engages in it, should not be categorized in Fake news websites cat for NPOV reasons. Either article is NPOV and should be cleared of NPOV prose or it should be categorized per its clear and present Misinformation section, which takes nearly half of the article content. ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 11:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The part about israel-Hamas war is showing only the Palestinian people and not correct… 2001:1C04:681:7E00:9564:86C3:9FFF:C9D0 ( talk) 13:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Stefan Tompson, the proprietor of Visegrád 24, recently initiated a Twitter campaign urging individuals to edit this articular page. While it's commendable that the page is currently locked, it might be prudent for an administrator or an expert on the subject matter to review the page in light of Wikipedia's standards and ensure it meets all necessary requirements. AidepikiWeerF ( talk) 16:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Under § Content of this Article, there is much discussion of misinformation and disinformation having been posted by the Visegrád account, and not much else. This gives the impression that the account, either primarily or exclusively, posts content of that vein.
After having briefly examined the profile myself, however, it seems that the account generally endeavors to provide accurate information (like many news sources), and that the account merely happens to have made incorrect statements a few times (again, like many news sources); that, at the most, the account has posted misinformation rather than disinformation.
The heavy focus on misinformation and disinformation under § Content, rather than under an ad hoc section or subsection of its own—perhaps entitled “Controversy surrounding misinformation” or the like—implies that the information provided by this account is almost entirely unreliable. If this is true, then so be it (I did not look at every last post), but if not, then the Article needs some serious work. OzzyMuffin238 ( talk) 13:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
See: twitter.com/visegrad24 CerealContainer ( talk) 03:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Social media sites aren't reliable references and shouldn't be in references - can you remove those? Thanks.
✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 03:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey! I made some edits to the page because there was a warning that the content was unverified and biased. it shows as a total change because my browser didn't let me publish, so I had to copy and paste my work through tabs. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penini S ( talk • contribs) 13:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
This article has many weasel words, alleged statements, and reads more like a he-said-she-said opinion piece than a Wikipedia article at times. I also found that before I made any edits, there were sentences copied verbatim from its sources, I removed those I noticed but I suspect there are more. This article does not seem to meet Wikipedia standards of reliability in my opinion. LivLovisa ( talk) 19:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Doing a note about the COI template. Visegrád 24, the subject of this article, posted on X to have people change the article ( [1] [2]) and a flood of new accounts have been editing the article. Given this, there is a high-chance one or more editors who have recently edited the article are COI. Page Protection has already been requested. Noting, I saw this article on my watchlist and was alerted off-Wikipedia by a friend to the posts by Visegrád 24, which prompted a look from me. The article was already tagged by other editors with several templates, so I did a brief TNT of about half the article and re-wrote it. But, COI is a high potential here, given the posts. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 23:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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"Pallywood" in the section regarding the Israel-Hamas war is misspelled as "Pallyywood". Please fix this. LivLovisa ( talk) 00:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
I improved the section on the Israel Hamas war. AFP was noting that crisis actor conspiracy theories were being pushed on social media, it did not refer to Visegrad 24 as a crisis actor.
Pinging @ WeatherWriter. Isi96 ( talk) 05:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
i request to delete immediately all info based on oko press. oko press is a extreme far left wing media. it is propagandist of far left powers in Poland and never can be treated as reliable source for anything. it was founded as described on their own page by Agora(far left propagandist) and "private person" in order to attack PIS government. Jarek19800 ( talk) 10:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Section "Content" should be renamed to "Misinformation" as it describes missinfo examples exclusively. Also that section seems to be disproportionate in comparison to the rest of the article Saletri ( talk) 22:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Title of the section should be shortened to only relationship with Polish govt. so called ties with "right wing elements" mentioned in the section are rather comic. it is only Hungarian ambassador taging and some lady. by the way this article is not a place for presenting cv of lady. so changes needed are: get rid of mentioning of Hungarian ambassador and lady with her whole cv(i am laughing even writing it, it must have been written by some 10 year kid) and change title of section to Relationship with Polish govt (by the way former one so maybe whole section is to be deleted ) Jarek19800 ( talk) 19:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
The Visegrád 24 publishes news and not advertisements. Why is it called an Advertising agency ? Forest576 ( talk) 13:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
WeatherWriter would you give a more clear explanation for removal of Fake news website category because your edit-summary NPOV cat does not make sense in this case. That category exists for a reason, and it is full of articles about fake news and misinformation websites and media outlets, yet you think that this article, which is almost entirely about misinformation and fake news business and thoroughly describes how this outlet and its website engages in it, should not be categorized in Fake news websites cat for NPOV reasons. Either article is NPOV and should be cleared of NPOV prose or it should be categorized per its clear and present Misinformation section, which takes nearly half of the article content. ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 11:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The part about israel-Hamas war is showing only the Palestinian people and not correct… 2001:1C04:681:7E00:9564:86C3:9FFF:C9D0 ( talk) 13:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Stefan Tompson, the proprietor of Visegrád 24, recently initiated a Twitter campaign urging individuals to edit this articular page. While it's commendable that the page is currently locked, it might be prudent for an administrator or an expert on the subject matter to review the page in light of Wikipedia's standards and ensure it meets all necessary requirements. AidepikiWeerF ( talk) 16:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Under § Content of this Article, there is much discussion of misinformation and disinformation having been posted by the Visegrád account, and not much else. This gives the impression that the account, either primarily or exclusively, posts content of that vein.
After having briefly examined the profile myself, however, it seems that the account generally endeavors to provide accurate information (like many news sources), and that the account merely happens to have made incorrect statements a few times (again, like many news sources); that, at the most, the account has posted misinformation rather than disinformation.
The heavy focus on misinformation and disinformation under § Content, rather than under an ad hoc section or subsection of its own—perhaps entitled “Controversy surrounding misinformation” or the like—implies that the information provided by this account is almost entirely unreliable. If this is true, then so be it (I did not look at every last post), but if not, then the Article needs some serious work. OzzyMuffin238 ( talk) 13:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
See: twitter.com/visegrad24 CerealContainer ( talk) 03:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)