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Discussion about the inclusion of this scientific article. Talk:Elon_Musk#Inclusion of information about Musk's study published in Nature Communications. Information about Musk's donations to vaccine researchers. Musk has spent the last several weeks giving back to various charitable causes and research facilities to expedite small business survival and COVID-19 prevention. Sources -- JShark ( talk) 13:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
I think mentioning Musk calling himself a socialist is WP:UNDUE, especially in the lead. He clearly isn't a socialist, and whether he mentioned that in jest or not it seems to have only happened on Twitter. I would remove it. BeŻet ( talk) 19:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Wondering how this removal "improves" neutrality then? We want to paint him as transphobic but not actually state that he supports gender identity? -- CNMall41 ( talk) 16:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of weight, should the following content be included?
In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk again mocked the use of pronouns. The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize. [1] [2] [3]
It's longstanding content, and I'm a little surprised to see WP:ONUS applied, which we usually reference for new or new-ish disputed content. Either way, the sourcing is broad enough that I think the tweets and HRC response are due. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Below is a summary of the page as it stood, my changes, and your revert. Let's talk balance.-- CNMall41 ( talk) 17:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Prior to change: - In July 2020, Musk tweeted " Pronouns suck" to significant backlash on Twitter, including from Musk's former partner Grimes, who responded that she "cannot support hate" in a since-deleted tweet. [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] The tweet has been perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities. [9] In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk again mocked the use of pronouns. The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize. [10] [11] [12]
With edits: - Musk has stated he supports gender identity, [13] but has drawn backlash for several Tweets related to use of pronouns. In July 2020, Musk tweeted " Pronouns suck", [14] which was perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities. [15] In December 2020, Musk called the use of preferred pronouns an "esthetic nightmare," referring to the use of pronouns in online profiles. [13]
Revert: - In July 2020, Musk tweeted " Pronouns suck" to significant backlash on Twitter, including from Musk's former partner Grimes, who responded that she "cannot support hate" in a since-deleted tweet. [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] The tweet has been perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities. [21] In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk again mocked the use of pronouns. The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize. [22] [23] [24]
I removed the weasel-wordy "The tweet has been perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities" which was cited to only one opinion piece. I also trimmed that Grimes tweet was later deleted. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 18:21, 25 April 2022 (UTC)In July 2020, Musk tweeted "Pronouns suck" to backlash on Twitter, including from Musk's former partner Grimes, who responded that she "cannot support hate". In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk mocked the use of pronouns in online profiles, describing them as an "esthetic nightmare". The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize.
"LGBT rights advocacy group Human Rights Campaign, which had ranked Tesla number one on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for an apology"? I agree the wording at Elon Musk should match the wording here, though it should likely be a summarized version. The Views section over there is in a state of crisis. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 18:05, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Coming up on a week now since the last comment by someone besides me. Consensus is looking fairly stable for inclusion. I'm happy to wait out the weekend in case SC, CNM41, or any newcomers to the discussion have something to add. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 17:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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"Elon Musk has expressed many views on a wide variety of subjects, ranging from politics to science. " Hasn't everyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.179.15.165 ( talk) 01:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
How about this wording "Elon has been vocal about his views on a variety of subjects, ranging from politics to science"? Victor obini ( talk) 20:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
This article is written in a way that accepts as fact Musk's narrative about himself as "half Democrat, half Republican". The content overemphasizes liberal views to support the narrative in the lead that Musk is a political moderate. In the past, Musk has tried to deflect criticism for donating to Republicans by de-anonymizing previous donations to the Sierra Club, [1] so this public image of political neutrality is something that Musk consciously cultivates through media manipulation. Tesla owners have environmentalist sympathies and would lean left, so it would be in Musk's best interests to appear politically neutral even if he actually leans right. More specifically, the article at times appears to be written by a Democrat who works to portray Musk's political views as aligned with their own. Musk's more extremist views are edited out or made to appear more moderate in a misguided attempt to make the article NPOV. TechnophilicHippie ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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Copied the discussion below from Talk:Elon Musk Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 01:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
This series of edits removed a reliable, secondary Reuters source and replaced it with an undue amount of quotation from Musk's conference speech. Would others support:
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments above copied from Talk:Elon Musk. Please post new comments below. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 01:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Sometimes Musk's highly publicized controversial statements are deleted by editors on the basis of "not a long-standing view", but Musk is a controversial figure, and his controversial statements covered by mainstream media and criticized should be documented somewhere for WP:NPOV. If Musk's impulsive, one-off controversial statements which are covered by multiple secondary reliable sources do not belong in "Views of Elon Musk", it does not make sense to create a separate article for "Controversies surrounding Elon Musk" or exclude these controversial statements because the article title was created back when Musk said that he prefers to "stay out of politics". Can we just change the article title to include both views and opinions? TechnophilicHippie ( talk) 05:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
A section has been added, with no citations may I add, that claims Elon supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine. He has never said he supported the invasion, and the entire section serves to push a POV. I recommend removing it and replacing it with something more balanced and sourced. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 08:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
51.6.91.227 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) insists on including a speculative mention of a tax break China gave Tesla. I've already reverted too many times, and they keep re-inserting. This is speculative original research and should be removed. Could someone else please take a look. -- ZimZalaBim talk 16:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm getting distinct " gotcha" vibes from the Subsidies section as it is now. Two sentences that state Musk's view, followed by an essay of putting words in his mouth, armchair-psychologizing, and attempting to point out hypocrisy on Musk's part because he didn't place the companies he leads at a competitive disadvantage by rejecting subsidies they were eligible for. The wall of text is mostly just quotes from a biased source (see WP:MOTHERJONES) and the sources for the very last paragraph makes absolutely no mention of Musk's views on subsidies, so the claim about Musk's statements being "subject to further scrutiny" are just a fabrication.
I think this is "sus", as the kids say.
Unless strong justification is pointed out for keeping the section as it is, I'm just going to remove everything other than the first paragraph stating Musk's views. If there's anything worthwhile to add, it can be added afterwards while keeping WP:BLP firmly in mind. Same goes for the mention of subsidies in the lead. -- Veikk0.ma 03:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
This paragraph has been removed and we need to come to a consensus. I don't see why The Odesa Journal isn't a legitimate source here: https://odessa-journal.com/musk-cut-off-ukrainians-from-twitter/ We can state that it is unclear why those numbers were removed from the list as we can argue that motivation is unclear. https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/12/30080063/did-elons-twitter-blacklist-ukrainians-key-feature-mysteriously-disabled-in-war-torn-region However, there were other suggestions that Ukrainians were having problems with the platform. I do not consider Eristavi someone prone to lying: https://twitter.com/maksymeristavi/status/1602793279015337988
Paragraph as it originally stood:
After Musk's acquisition of Twitter, he appeared to deplatform Ukrainians. The social network "closed the ability to verify an account from Ukraine and limited the creation of new ones – it is no longer possible to indicate the '+380' number when creating an account," noted local news sources. Searching for Ukrainian accounts also became more difficult, with prominent Ukrainians reporting Twitter search bans.
In the context of Musk being suspected of having a pro-Russia agenda, as documented by the Hill and Bremmer quotes, it feels like important information. 0lida0 ( talk) 19:02, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Is this section really needed, may I ask? The main point of the section stems around a joke Elon made on Twitter which had a controversial reaction, which is an incredibly common occurrence. Even so, the title is rather odd, implying that Musk explicitly has a "view" on Women in Technology. If the section was to remain, the main article for Musk may be better suited for it. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 18:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Halchal Yadav@ 178.152.11.86 ( talk) 13:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Are we really going to ignore the fact that he is making excuses and practically defending the neo-nazi shooter in Allen, Texas? https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/05/09/musk-fuels-unfounded-texas-shooter-conspiracy-theories-doubting-shooters-far-right-connections/?sh=7267db332680 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.34.235.46 ( talk) 14:20, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
This could also go in the 'conspiracy theories' section. Going by recent tweets, he seems to have aboard the right-wing George Soros criticism train. This seems to be a relatively recent thing, it seems to have started agreeing with these kinds of theories about the time Soros dumped his Tesla stock. https://www.barrons.com/articles/george-soros-fund-management-sells-tesla-stock-6a58d077 2601:84:8601:6AA0:283E:5B7E:68D7:58B5 ( talk) 12:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I've twice reverted to remove a line in the lead saying "However, he has expressed several fringe and far-right beliefs described below." I am not seeing body content that sufficiently supports a wiki-voice line like this in the lead. I'm opening up a discussion in case others feel differently, and I'd love to hear from 0lida0, who recently re-added the line, and I'll drop a note at the talk page of the IP that originally added it. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Foonix0: I noticed you removed a section [1] with a rather confusing edit summary, can you explain your edit and what you feel makes the source unreliable? Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 17:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Current coverage in the article is biased, to say the least, stating that Musk opposes subsidies. Meanwhile, the ref used and another WP:RS provide this: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12
Elon Musk's companies have received billions in government subsidies over the last two decades.
I would strike the mention of opposing subsidies from the intro altogether and amend the Subsidies section to reflect his actual position on the matter. Any solid objections to this? ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 11:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Owenyay why do you think this claim was false? In addition to the source not including it, the claim as a whole isn't that unlikely. Both won at fairly high margins in the 2004 United States presidential election and 2008 United States presidential election. For a swing voter that is unremarkable. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Multiple sources say it's not clear if he was serious. BBC noted "the first tweet was possibly meant as a joke". Further, he "promoted" the idea that they were not built by aliens by following up with a BBC article that specifically says "no trace of any alien race" and describes them in no uncertain terms as being built by humans. If musk actually believed it was aliens, why would he promote an article that says otherwise? It's an amusing anecdote, but the premise that it represents an actual view is dubious and fails WP:EVENTCRIT for not having any lasting impact. I would prefer removal, but if there is objection to that then the at least possibility that he doesn't actually believe that should be reflected in the text. Foonix0 ( talk) 08:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Per topic. Elon Musk having an opinion on something isn't really noteable just because some gossip blog breathlessly reports on a tweet he made. Over half the references are either direct links to tweets or to articles that basically say "Elon Musk posted this thing on twitter! GASP!" Jtrainor ( talk) 15:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
As a further comment, sourcing anything directly to Elon's tweets is a direct violation of sourcing policy and all of that has to go. Jtrainor ( talk) 10:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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Discussion about the inclusion of this scientific article. Talk:Elon_Musk#Inclusion of information about Musk's study published in Nature Communications. Information about Musk's donations to vaccine researchers. Musk has spent the last several weeks giving back to various charitable causes and research facilities to expedite small business survival and COVID-19 prevention. Sources -- JShark ( talk) 13:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
I think mentioning Musk calling himself a socialist is WP:UNDUE, especially in the lead. He clearly isn't a socialist, and whether he mentioned that in jest or not it seems to have only happened on Twitter. I would remove it. BeŻet ( talk) 19:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Wondering how this removal "improves" neutrality then? We want to paint him as transphobic but not actually state that he supports gender identity? -- CNMall41 ( talk) 16:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of weight, should the following content be included?
In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk again mocked the use of pronouns. The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize. [1] [2] [3]
It's longstanding content, and I'm a little surprised to see WP:ONUS applied, which we usually reference for new or new-ish disputed content. Either way, the sourcing is broad enough that I think the tweets and HRC response are due. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Below is a summary of the page as it stood, my changes, and your revert. Let's talk balance.-- CNMall41 ( talk) 17:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Prior to change: - In July 2020, Musk tweeted " Pronouns suck" to significant backlash on Twitter, including from Musk's former partner Grimes, who responded that she "cannot support hate" in a since-deleted tweet. [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] The tweet has been perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities. [9] In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk again mocked the use of pronouns. The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize. [10] [11] [12]
With edits: - Musk has stated he supports gender identity, [13] but has drawn backlash for several Tweets related to use of pronouns. In July 2020, Musk tweeted " Pronouns suck", [14] which was perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities. [15] In December 2020, Musk called the use of preferred pronouns an "esthetic nightmare," referring to the use of pronouns in online profiles. [13]
Revert: - In July 2020, Musk tweeted " Pronouns suck" to significant backlash on Twitter, including from Musk's former partner Grimes, who responded that she "cannot support hate" in a since-deleted tweet. [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] The tweet has been perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities. [21] In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk again mocked the use of pronouns. The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize. [22] [23] [24]
I removed the weasel-wordy "The tweet has been perceived by some as transphobic and an attack on non-binary identities" which was cited to only one opinion piece. I also trimmed that Grimes tweet was later deleted. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 18:21, 25 April 2022 (UTC)In July 2020, Musk tweeted "Pronouns suck" to backlash on Twitter, including from Musk's former partner Grimes, who responded that she "cannot support hate". In a series of December 2020 tweets, Musk mocked the use of pronouns in online profiles, describing them as an "esthetic nightmare". The Human Rights Campaign, which had previously given Tesla the number one ranking on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for him to apologize.
"LGBT rights advocacy group Human Rights Campaign, which had ranked Tesla number one on its Corporate Equality Index, criticized his tweets and called for an apology"? I agree the wording at Elon Musk should match the wording here, though it should likely be a summarized version. The Views section over there is in a state of crisis. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 18:05, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Coming up on a week now since the last comment by someone besides me. Consensus is looking fairly stable for inclusion. I'm happy to wait out the weekend in case SC, CNM41, or any newcomers to the discussion have something to add. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 17:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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"Elon Musk has expressed many views on a wide variety of subjects, ranging from politics to science. " Hasn't everyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.179.15.165 ( talk) 01:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
How about this wording "Elon has been vocal about his views on a variety of subjects, ranging from politics to science"? Victor obini ( talk) 20:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
This article is written in a way that accepts as fact Musk's narrative about himself as "half Democrat, half Republican". The content overemphasizes liberal views to support the narrative in the lead that Musk is a political moderate. In the past, Musk has tried to deflect criticism for donating to Republicans by de-anonymizing previous donations to the Sierra Club, [1] so this public image of political neutrality is something that Musk consciously cultivates through media manipulation. Tesla owners have environmentalist sympathies and would lean left, so it would be in Musk's best interests to appear politically neutral even if he actually leans right. More specifically, the article at times appears to be written by a Democrat who works to portray Musk's political views as aligned with their own. Musk's more extremist views are edited out or made to appear more moderate in a misguided attempt to make the article NPOV. TechnophilicHippie ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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Copied the discussion below from Talk:Elon Musk Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 01:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
This series of edits removed a reliable, secondary Reuters source and replaced it with an undue amount of quotation from Musk's conference speech. Would others support:
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Comments above copied from Talk:Elon Musk. Please post new comments below. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 01:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Sometimes Musk's highly publicized controversial statements are deleted by editors on the basis of "not a long-standing view", but Musk is a controversial figure, and his controversial statements covered by mainstream media and criticized should be documented somewhere for WP:NPOV. If Musk's impulsive, one-off controversial statements which are covered by multiple secondary reliable sources do not belong in "Views of Elon Musk", it does not make sense to create a separate article for "Controversies surrounding Elon Musk" or exclude these controversial statements because the article title was created back when Musk said that he prefers to "stay out of politics". Can we just change the article title to include both views and opinions? TechnophilicHippie ( talk) 05:07, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
A section has been added, with no citations may I add, that claims Elon supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine. He has never said he supported the invasion, and the entire section serves to push a POV. I recommend removing it and replacing it with something more balanced and sourced. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 08:56, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
51.6.91.227 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) insists on including a speculative mention of a tax break China gave Tesla. I've already reverted too many times, and they keep re-inserting. This is speculative original research and should be removed. Could someone else please take a look. -- ZimZalaBim talk 16:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm getting distinct " gotcha" vibes from the Subsidies section as it is now. Two sentences that state Musk's view, followed by an essay of putting words in his mouth, armchair-psychologizing, and attempting to point out hypocrisy on Musk's part because he didn't place the companies he leads at a competitive disadvantage by rejecting subsidies they were eligible for. The wall of text is mostly just quotes from a biased source (see WP:MOTHERJONES) and the sources for the very last paragraph makes absolutely no mention of Musk's views on subsidies, so the claim about Musk's statements being "subject to further scrutiny" are just a fabrication.
I think this is "sus", as the kids say.
Unless strong justification is pointed out for keeping the section as it is, I'm just going to remove everything other than the first paragraph stating Musk's views. If there's anything worthwhile to add, it can be added afterwards while keeping WP:BLP firmly in mind. Same goes for the mention of subsidies in the lead. -- Veikk0.ma 03:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
This paragraph has been removed and we need to come to a consensus. I don't see why The Odesa Journal isn't a legitimate source here: https://odessa-journal.com/musk-cut-off-ukrainians-from-twitter/ We can state that it is unclear why those numbers were removed from the list as we can argue that motivation is unclear. https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/12/30080063/did-elons-twitter-blacklist-ukrainians-key-feature-mysteriously-disabled-in-war-torn-region However, there were other suggestions that Ukrainians were having problems with the platform. I do not consider Eristavi someone prone to lying: https://twitter.com/maksymeristavi/status/1602793279015337988
Paragraph as it originally stood:
After Musk's acquisition of Twitter, he appeared to deplatform Ukrainians. The social network "closed the ability to verify an account from Ukraine and limited the creation of new ones – it is no longer possible to indicate the '+380' number when creating an account," noted local news sources. Searching for Ukrainian accounts also became more difficult, with prominent Ukrainians reporting Twitter search bans.
In the context of Musk being suspected of having a pro-Russia agenda, as documented by the Hill and Bremmer quotes, it feels like important information. 0lida0 ( talk) 19:02, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Is this section really needed, may I ask? The main point of the section stems around a joke Elon made on Twitter which had a controversial reaction, which is an incredibly common occurrence. Even so, the title is rather odd, implying that Musk explicitly has a "view" on Women in Technology. If the section was to remain, the main article for Musk may be better suited for it. PrecariousWorlds ( talk) 18:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Halchal Yadav@ 178.152.11.86 ( talk) 13:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Are we really going to ignore the fact that he is making excuses and practically defending the neo-nazi shooter in Allen, Texas? https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/05/09/musk-fuels-unfounded-texas-shooter-conspiracy-theories-doubting-shooters-far-right-connections/?sh=7267db332680 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.34.235.46 ( talk) 14:20, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
This could also go in the 'conspiracy theories' section. Going by recent tweets, he seems to have aboard the right-wing George Soros criticism train. This seems to be a relatively recent thing, it seems to have started agreeing with these kinds of theories about the time Soros dumped his Tesla stock. https://www.barrons.com/articles/george-soros-fund-management-sells-tesla-stock-6a58d077 2601:84:8601:6AA0:283E:5B7E:68D7:58B5 ( talk) 12:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I've twice reverted to remove a line in the lead saying "However, he has expressed several fringe and far-right beliefs described below." I am not seeing body content that sufficiently supports a wiki-voice line like this in the lead. I'm opening up a discussion in case others feel differently, and I'd love to hear from 0lida0, who recently re-added the line, and I'll drop a note at the talk page of the IP that originally added it. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Foonix0: I noticed you removed a section [1] with a rather confusing edit summary, can you explain your edit and what you feel makes the source unreliable? Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 17:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
Current coverage in the article is biased, to say the least, stating that Musk opposes subsidies. Meanwhile, the ref used and another WP:RS provide this: https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12
Elon Musk's companies have received billions in government subsidies over the last two decades.
I would strike the mention of opposing subsidies from the intro altogether and amend the Subsidies section to reflect his actual position on the matter. Any solid objections to this? ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 11:51, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Owenyay why do you think this claim was false? In addition to the source not including it, the claim as a whole isn't that unlikely. Both won at fairly high margins in the 2004 United States presidential election and 2008 United States presidential election. For a swing voter that is unremarkable. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Multiple sources say it's not clear if he was serious. BBC noted "the first tweet was possibly meant as a joke". Further, he "promoted" the idea that they were not built by aliens by following up with a BBC article that specifically says "no trace of any alien race" and describes them in no uncertain terms as being built by humans. If musk actually believed it was aliens, why would he promote an article that says otherwise? It's an amusing anecdote, but the premise that it represents an actual view is dubious and fails WP:EVENTCRIT for not having any lasting impact. I would prefer removal, but if there is objection to that then the at least possibility that he doesn't actually believe that should be reflected in the text. Foonix0 ( talk) 08:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Per topic. Elon Musk having an opinion on something isn't really noteable just because some gossip blog breathlessly reports on a tweet he made. Over half the references are either direct links to tweets or to articles that basically say "Elon Musk posted this thing on twitter! GASP!" Jtrainor ( talk) 15:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
As a further comment, sourcing anything directly to Elon's tweets is a direct violation of sourcing policy and all of that has to go. Jtrainor ( talk) 10:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)