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204.27.156.146 ( talk) 01:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC) It allowed over 100 thousands NVN remained in SVN and to removed SVN President Nguyen Van Thieu.
The article mentions "single party" in a mere fraction of a sentence without describing it. Most people will not even notice this, and it isn't mentioned whether it is single party because there are laws against other parties forming or possibly because other candidates chose or succeeded in creating a noticable party. This communist-written article seems to imply that a single party state doesn't mean anything. 173.183.71.170 ( talk) 06:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Since the creation of the Demographics -> Religions section of this article it has mentioned "Bashi Islam" but right now the link on "Bashi" goes to a musical instrument. I also can't find any mention of "bashi islam" in Google Books and the Religion in Vietnam article doesn't mention it, so I'm suspicious that this is a mistake and the other sites on the internet mentioning it have simply copied from Wikipedia. Both Religion in Vietnam and GB mention Cham Bani Muslims, however.
So, can anyone confirm the existence of this "Bashi" Islam? --[[User:Struthious_Banderkasjdgbkag snatch|❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩]] 04:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I am a professional Chinese linguist and hold a degree in Chinese studies. Incidentally, I never heard Vietnam described as "Southern Viet" before. In fact, the "Viet" character is a Chinese grammatical term meaning "more, further, beyond" and my understanding as a Chinese speaker and scholar is that Vietnam means "beyond the borders of the south (of China). I have not changed the original claim of course, merely added the possibility of mine. Etymology is always a rather inexact science. Alexandermoir ( talk) 19:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The Communist Party's newly chosen general secretary, Nguyễn Phú Trọng, would appear to be a figurehead. He is only No. 8 on the new Politburo list. [1] If general secretary is no longer a top position, it should be taken out of the box. I suggest listing the top four people on the Politburo list: Trương Tấn Sang (state president designate), Phùng Quang Thanh (defense minister), Nguyễn Tấn Dũng (prime minister), and Nguyễn Sinh Hùng (deputy prime minister). Position in the party is everything in the Vietnamese government. Titles don't tell you anything about the real power structure. Kauffner ( talk) 11:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I was surprised when I read the gdp per capita figure: $3,104.179, which I read as 3 million... It is probably best to remove the cents as I checked is done with other countries, to avoid misreading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.23.153.53 ( talk) 00:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
It's 3 million Vietnam Dong, not usd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.40.254 ( talk) 18:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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13:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)Vietnam (Listeni/ˌviː.ɛtˈnɑːm/ VEE-et-NAHM; Vietnamese: Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), officially the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Vietnamese: Cộng hòa xã hội chủ nghĩa Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), is the easternmost country on the Indochina Peninsula in Southeast Asia. It is bordered by People's Republic of China (PRC) to the north, Laos to the northwest, Cambodia to the southwest, and the South China Sea, referred to as East Sea (Vietnamese: Biển Đông), to the east. With a population of over 89 million, Vietnam is the 13th most populous country in the world.
Vietnam (Listeni/ˌviː.ɛtˈnɑːm/ VEE-et-NAHM; Vietnamese: Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), officially the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Vietnamese: Cộng hòa xã hội chủ nghĩa Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), is the easternmost country on the Indochina Peninsula in Southeast Asia.
Vietnam became independent from China in AD 938 after their victory at the battle of Bạch Đằng River. Successive dynasties flourished along with geographic and political expansion deeper into Southeast Asia, until it was colonized by the French in the mid-19th century. Efforts to resist the French eventually led to their expulsion from the country in the mid-20th century, leaving a nation divided politically into two countries. Fighting between the two sides continued during the Vietnam War, ending with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
Vietnam became independent from China in AD 938 after their victory at the battle of Bạch Đằng River. Successive dynasties flourished along with geographic and political expansion deeper into Southeast Asia, until it was colonized by the French in the mid-19th century. Efforts to resist the French eventually led to their expulsion from the country in the mid-20th century, leaving a nation divided politically into two countries. Fighting between the two sides continued during the Vietnam War, ending with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
Emerging from this prolonged military engagement, the war-ravaged nation was politically isolated. In 1986, the government instituted economic and political reforms and began a path towards international reintegration. By 2000, it had established diplomatic relations with most nations. Its economic growth has been among the highest in the world in the past decade. According to Citigroup the high growth will be continued and based on Global Growth Generators countries Index, Vietnam got the highest Index among 11 countries. These efforts resulted in Vietnam joining the World Trade Organization in 2007. These economic reforms also introduced inequality in many spheres of life in Vietnam such as income distribution and women's rights.
Vietnam became independent from China in AD 938 after their victory at the battle of Bạch Đằng River. Successive dynasties flourished along with geographic and political expansion deeper into Southeast Asia, until it was colonized by the French in the mid-19th century. Efforts to resist the French eventually led to their expulsion from the country in the mid-20th century, leaving a nation divided politically into two countries. Fighting between the two sides continued during the Vietnam War, ending with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
I removed this addition about the oldest mention of the name Vietnam because of the lack of verifiability of the source (Wikipedia doesn't accept it or its sub-project to be acceptable sources). By the way, The Nguyen Binh Khiem's prophecies was never considered the oldest mention of the name Vietnam because no original record of his works is still kept, most of them was passed from generations to generations as tales or legends. The most recorded Khiem's prophecies were prophecies about the Nguyen Lord and Mac Dynasty which, in my opinion, were forged due to political reasons. In sum up, I don't believe these prophecies are suitable sources for writing on Wikipedia, you can bring your addition if you find any other reliable sources.-- AM ( talk) 20:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
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IMO, translating “Bách Việt” (Baiyue) as “hundred Viets” [2] is misleading for several reasons:
I don't think that the statement "First, the Chinese-supported Mạc Dynasty challenged the Lê Dynasty's power" is correct. While it is true that after 1592, the remnant of the Mạc court held on to Cao Bằng with the help of the Ming, the Mạc dynasty held the upper-hand up until around 1580, and needed no help from the Chinese court. There was controversy regarding the Mạc's foreign policy toward China, but that was an entirely different matter. There is no reason for the word "Chinese-supported" in that sentence. For references, check the wikipedia pages History of Vietnam, and the vi.wikipedia.org page "Nhà Mạc". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giaovu ( talk • contribs) 05:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Why does the article body say N & S Vietnam were merged on 2 July 1976, but the infobox says they were reunified on 30 April 1975? Thanks - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 22:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Binh Thuan and Ninh Thuan seem to be more often seen as part of the South Central Coast rather than Southeast. I intend to change the subdivisions section accordingly. Are there any objections? BertholdD ( talk) 10:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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Here is the official leadership ranking. It goes president, defense minister, and then prime minister. Kauffner ( talk) 04:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
According to the web site of the Vietnamese Embassy, the president of Vietnam is Nguyen Minh Triet. The country's factfile should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.208.76 ( talk) 22:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
It is insane and unreasonable to include some other countries' inference about a country. Who cares what US thinks about any nation? If one goes to some social network sites and sees communities related to pakistan or arab states, most of them will have a poll with 90% of the respondents saying US as the biggest terrorist nation in the world. Can we include this inference in the page for USA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.58.109 ( talk) 12:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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Obbop heartily agrees. My experience with the oft-times befuddled well-indoctrinated citizen-sheep ill- and uneducated buffoons of the USA who are all-too-often spewers of implanted knee-jerk rhetoric foisted upon the VAST majority of USA citizenry by their elite-class masters and corporate USA so as to maintain a status quo of immense benefit to a VERY FEW high atop the pyramid-shaped socio-economic hierarchy has led to so very very very few USA citizens being able to formulate their OWN opinion about ANY aspect of Vietnam, pre, during or the post Vietnam Conflict era when the USA imposed itself yet again on another country's affairs. When will we ever learn...... when will we ever.... learn? 66.148.248.210 ( talk) 14:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC) Obbop scribbled this while scratching his oblate-spheroid-shaped noggin amazed at the amassed idiocy of a supposed informed electorate that s all-too-often the mental willing slaves of their masters.
Under Education please remove this information: "In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is free and mandatory"
That's totally wrong! In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is NOT FREE! I'm a Vietnamese myself and I can assure you that there's nothing free in Vietnam especially education which is asking for even more money now, just search around the net and you will see.
Yakushosama ( talk) 19:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Just search around the net you will see education in Vietnam is not free, ok for example http://www.asiarecipe.com/vieteducation.html you see it doesnt mention free education in Vietnam at all please trust me I'm a native Vietnamese I was born and grown up in Vietnam so I know about the education in Vietnam very well, it's very bad and not free at all.
The one that posted the information "In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is free and mandatory" has no source to prove it also then why wikipedia still publish it? it says [citation needed] then I'm hereby to verify that information is misleading so please remove it or at least edit it like this: "In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is not free and mandatory" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yakushosama ( talk • contribs) 03:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Not done
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I removed this claim as it has not been cited anyway.--
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The caption under the Cao Dai temple photo should read "The main Cao Dai temple in Tay Ninh." It's the Cao Dai equivalent of Vatican City.
67.168.54.133 ( talk) 01:45, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
The Culture section of the article lacks citations and is pretty cursory in dealing with some fairly important cultural elements, such as festivals and cuisine. I've copyedited it as best I can, but what it needs is an expert on the subject. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Michaelmas1957 ( talk) 13:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
In the religion section it says "that all regions are equal before law". Regions should be religions, which the source corroborates. -- Kikikomori ( talk) 03:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a ranked list of leaders that was widely published in the Vietnamese media after the last party congress, example by VNA and by VOV. I don't see any basis to list the leaders in some other order. Kauffner ( talk) 05:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I've been noticing that there is a hybrid of British and American spelling. We must do away with one spelling in this article. The world community prefers the British Spelling over the American. This means that the American spelling has to go away from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.67.98 ( talk) 18:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
In an article about Vietnam, we should follow the terminology used in Vietnam-oriented writing, for example A History of Vietnam by Oscar Chapius. This edit is problematic is several respects. "Nam Viet" is certainly a more common spelling in English than Nanyue. "Zhao Tuo" and "Trieu Da" are both quite common spellings, and there is no basis stigmatize Trieu Da. And why stop there? Any Vietnamese name can be translated into Chinese and given a pinyin spelling. We can have "Hú Zhì Míng" instead of "Ho Chi Minh". As for the phrase "Chinese south", this is not only ungrammatical, but suggests that the salient fact about Vietnam is that it is south of China. Kauffner ( talk) 19:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Not all Vietnamese name can be translate to Chinese. For example: Lía, Bé, Nòi, and many orther word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.16.154.255 ( talk) 14:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
What is the legally official name of the country in English. In this regard, I would mention that the info. box uses the term "Vietname" but on the Names of Vietnam it is said that the Government and the UN use the name "Viet Nam". I do not know the answer to this one at present so would like an inmformed answer if some one could provide one. I do think some tidy up work is needed to the articles around this to clarify what exactly is official. That can follow. 86.45.54.230 ( talk) 19:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
It refers to Vietnam as a "Communist Nation". Many other pages about socialist republics do this as well. There is no such thing as a communist nation or communist state. They are socialist states. Communism, by it's very definition, indicates a future period, in which, all countries have become socialist and then the state, being no longer necessary, "withers away". If there's communism, then there are no states and if there are states, then there is no communism. Communism has never existed and a single nation, cannot be communist. Please make the necessary changes to this this page, as well as The Soviet Union, The People's Republic of China, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.137.63 ( talk) 09:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
its written, that Viet Nam is translated as South Viet, but it could also be "Viet Male", since Nam has more meanings in vietnamesse.. and imo "South Viet" is a total nonsence (im from vietnamse heritage)..i think it would be best to skip that translation part — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.81.133.34 ( talk) 19:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi - posting this here since I can't post on the Vietnamese wiki. Can anyone help with a Vietnamese-English translation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#poster.2Fvi - thank you. 184.147.123.69 ( talk) 15:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Regarding this section: "In the North, thousands of landowners were killed by the communists, and collectivization efforts led to a brief famine. In the South, Diem went about crushing political and religious opposition, imprisoning or killing tens of thousands; dissidents were routinely labelled as communists even if they were anti-communist." I think it is strange that you mention Diem killed "tens of thousands" and that Ho's regime killed "thousands of landowners". The wording makes it sound like Diem's killing was greater or at least comparable to North Vietnam's. I think would be more accurate to mention that "tens of thousands" were killed during land reform. To be fair it would be more accurate to say "hundreds of thousand died" since the actual figure of deaths is most certainly in the hundreds of the thousands. The actual bare minimum estimate for those dead during land reform is actually a pretty lofty 115,000 dead, so you should be able to see why "thousands of landowners" doesn't give an impression close enough to the reality.
Sources: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB11.1.GIF http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP6.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB11.3.GIF http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB6.1B.GIF — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stumink ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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RfC: Should the spelling of Vietnamese names follow the general usage of English-language reliable sources? Examples: Ngo Dinh Diem, Ho Chi Minh, and Saigon, or Ngô Đình Diệm, Hồ Chí Minh, and Sài Gòn. The RfC is here. Kauffner ( talk) 14:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I have the latest report on GDP in the first 6 months post TKS1988 ( talk) 05:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a separate article on North Vietnam. That article says that the country merged. That is revisionist history. North Vietnam took over South Vietnam. Anyway, the North Vietnam article ends with the mid-1970's. This article should then continue with history after 1976. All history before that is inappropriate.
The better alternative is to make this article the depository to all history of Vietnam. Then the North Vietnam article should be merged and deleted. Auchansa ( talk) 03:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
In order to be consistent with the majority of the country pages, could someone please change the first portion of my main meal
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"The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states espousing communism."
What about North Korea? It is a single party state that espouses state communism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.31.197 ( talk) 02:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Approximately 4 years after the US withdrawal China invaded Vietnam. This is an important part of Vietnamese history. In relative quick succession they had to deal with the French, the Japanese, the French again, the Americans, and then the Chinese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.149.109.63 ( talk) 13:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the "1976 - Present" section refers to collectivisation as a failure and triple digit inflation without providing any citation. RoboTree ( talk) 23:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Don't see the big problem with the Vietnam War section. It outlines the events of the war and identifies the key players, as it should do. Obviously it needs more refs (I'll work on that shortly), but otherwise it doesn't seem too biased or overlong. – Michaelmas1957 ( talk) 23:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the following sentence: "The name Vietnam translates as "Southern Viet" (synonymous with the much more ancient term Nam Viet), . . . ." The sentence should read: "The name Vietnam translates as "South Viet" (in contrast to the ancient term Nam Viet, which means Southern Viet), . . . ." The original sentence is not true. The change may seem inconsequential, but it is not. Southern gives the connotation that it is the southern part of a larger area, while south gives the connotation that it is a separate entity. This was the reason that Ho Chi Minh changed the name. Examples of this subtle change can be seen in the difference between Norther and Southern California and North and South Carolina. The former signifies two regions of the same state while the latter indicates two separate states. Jcguevara14 ( talk) 21:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Somebody must add that the language of French is a minority language in Vietnam. Please have it done ASAP. Chipperdude15 ( talk) 12:06, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that it was Vietnam that ended the Cambodian Holocaust of the Khemer Rouge.
See your own wiki pages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_War for reference.
It appears the North American and European politics enters into Wikipedia and makes acknowledgement of the ending of a Holocaust by a communist regime a fact that needs to be kept from the masses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.185.198.205 ( talk) 07:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
This is not my or any opinion, it is not a POV, by the nature of the assertion it is not, because it is fact, which is sourced and a matter of public record and therefore shouldn't be a matter of controversy. The fact that Vietnam today continues to suffer from the chemical poisoning of their agriculture is not a POV or opinion, it is a matter of sourced fact. It appears that editors are more concerned about pushing a hostile political agenda by not only not including facts but by putting outright lies on the nature of the war. The war was not a North vs. South conflict, it was a war between the Southern government and the National Liberation Front, composed entirely of South Vietnamese citizens, the government being supported by the US military while the NLF being supported by the North. The fact that the NLF was supported by the majority of the population of South Vietnam is not a POV or opinion, it is a matter of sourced fact. A fact which is self-confirming in the history based on the aborted elections and overt corruption which is now a matter of public record and therefore should not be a subject of controversy. The nature of the conflict as it is currently described is 'not' factually correct. Michaelwuzthere ( talk) 18:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the NFL, I have added a mention that they were a belligerent. The current lead is actually very neutral and includes the basic information that is necessary. Stumink ( talk) 18:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Wow, a lot of hysterical propaganda in here. You're one step away from blaming the Vietnamese for invading the U.S.
The irony is, you don't even seem to see it. When the U.S. does something horrendous, it's a "tragic unintended consequence", while all other actors are merely provoking this great benevolent and diplomatic state. If an alien could somehow see the Vietnam war, and then see what many westerners write and say about it, he would probably wonder what they were even talking about.
The burden, apparently, is always on the "radical left", as in, the one willing to point out ugly, unpopular and "flagrantly undue" truths. The victors write the history books, indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.42.161 ( talk) 02:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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In the "Government and politics" section of the Vietnam page, it lists only 4 countries that are still Communist, it says: "The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism." However there are 5. Someone forgot to add in North Korea. Could you please add in North Korea? Thank you. RepublicOfGermania ( talk) 16:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty absurd that, regardless what they officially espouse, China is considered communist while North Korea is not. The former is clearly a state-capitalist system, while the latter is significantly closer, at very least, to what we would call communism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.42.161 ( talk) 02:29, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Everybody, "Ha Tay" isn't a province of Vietnam any longer, please change the map! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dangchanhung3 ( talk • contribs) 05:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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Was: Conflict between the two sides intensified, with heavy intervention from the United States, in what is known as the Vietnam War. The war ended with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
Should be: Conflict between the two sides intensified, with heavy intervention from the United States, in what is known in Vietnam as the American war, as they were seen as the occupying forces, and as the Vietnam War to those outside the country. The war ended with unification of both North and South Vietnam in 1975.
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204.27.156.146 ( talk) 01:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC) It allowed over 100 thousands NVN remained in SVN and to removed SVN President Nguyen Van Thieu.
The article mentions "single party" in a mere fraction of a sentence without describing it. Most people will not even notice this, and it isn't mentioned whether it is single party because there are laws against other parties forming or possibly because other candidates chose or succeeded in creating a noticable party. This communist-written article seems to imply that a single party state doesn't mean anything. 173.183.71.170 ( talk) 06:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Since the creation of the Demographics -> Religions section of this article it has mentioned "Bashi Islam" but right now the link on "Bashi" goes to a musical instrument. I also can't find any mention of "bashi islam" in Google Books and the Religion in Vietnam article doesn't mention it, so I'm suspicious that this is a mistake and the other sites on the internet mentioning it have simply copied from Wikipedia. Both Religion in Vietnam and GB mention Cham Bani Muslims, however.
So, can anyone confirm the existence of this "Bashi" Islam? --[[User:Struthious_Banderkasjdgbkag snatch|❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩]] 04:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
I am a professional Chinese linguist and hold a degree in Chinese studies. Incidentally, I never heard Vietnam described as "Southern Viet" before. In fact, the "Viet" character is a Chinese grammatical term meaning "more, further, beyond" and my understanding as a Chinese speaker and scholar is that Vietnam means "beyond the borders of the south (of China). I have not changed the original claim of course, merely added the possibility of mine. Etymology is always a rather inexact science. Alexandermoir ( talk) 19:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The Communist Party's newly chosen general secretary, Nguyễn Phú Trọng, would appear to be a figurehead. He is only No. 8 on the new Politburo list. [1] If general secretary is no longer a top position, it should be taken out of the box. I suggest listing the top four people on the Politburo list: Trương Tấn Sang (state president designate), Phùng Quang Thanh (defense minister), Nguyễn Tấn Dũng (prime minister), and Nguyễn Sinh Hùng (deputy prime minister). Position in the party is everything in the Vietnamese government. Titles don't tell you anything about the real power structure. Kauffner ( talk) 11:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I was surprised when I read the gdp per capita figure: $3,104.179, which I read as 3 million... It is probably best to remove the cents as I checked is done with other countries, to avoid misreading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.23.153.53 ( talk) 00:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
It's 3 million Vietnam Dong, not usd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.40.254 ( talk) 18:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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13:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)Vietnam (Listeni/ˌviː.ɛtˈnɑːm/ VEE-et-NAHM; Vietnamese: Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), officially the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Vietnamese: Cộng hòa xã hội chủ nghĩa Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), is the easternmost country on the Indochina Peninsula in Southeast Asia. It is bordered by People's Republic of China (PRC) to the north, Laos to the northwest, Cambodia to the southwest, and the South China Sea, referred to as East Sea (Vietnamese: Biển Đông), to the east. With a population of over 89 million, Vietnam is the 13th most populous country in the world.
Vietnam (Listeni/ˌviː.ɛtˈnɑːm/ VEE-et-NAHM; Vietnamese: Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), officially the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (Vietnamese: Cộng hòa xã hội chủ nghĩa Việt Nam, About this sound listen (help·info)), is the easternmost country on the Indochina Peninsula in Southeast Asia.
Vietnam became independent from China in AD 938 after their victory at the battle of Bạch Đằng River. Successive dynasties flourished along with geographic and political expansion deeper into Southeast Asia, until it was colonized by the French in the mid-19th century. Efforts to resist the French eventually led to their expulsion from the country in the mid-20th century, leaving a nation divided politically into two countries. Fighting between the two sides continued during the Vietnam War, ending with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
Vietnam became independent from China in AD 938 after their victory at the battle of Bạch Đằng River. Successive dynasties flourished along with geographic and political expansion deeper into Southeast Asia, until it was colonized by the French in the mid-19th century. Efforts to resist the French eventually led to their expulsion from the country in the mid-20th century, leaving a nation divided politically into two countries. Fighting between the two sides continued during the Vietnam War, ending with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
Emerging from this prolonged military engagement, the war-ravaged nation was politically isolated. In 1986, the government instituted economic and political reforms and began a path towards international reintegration. By 2000, it had established diplomatic relations with most nations. Its economic growth has been among the highest in the world in the past decade. According to Citigroup the high growth will be continued and based on Global Growth Generators countries Index, Vietnam got the highest Index among 11 countries. These efforts resulted in Vietnam joining the World Trade Organization in 2007. These economic reforms also introduced inequality in many spheres of life in Vietnam such as income distribution and women's rights.
Vietnam became independent from China in AD 938 after their victory at the battle of Bạch Đằng River. Successive dynasties flourished along with geographic and political expansion deeper into Southeast Asia, until it was colonized by the French in the mid-19th century. Efforts to resist the French eventually led to their expulsion from the country in the mid-20th century, leaving a nation divided politically into two countries. Fighting between the two sides continued during the Vietnam War, ending with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
I removed this addition about the oldest mention of the name Vietnam because of the lack of verifiability of the source (Wikipedia doesn't accept it or its sub-project to be acceptable sources). By the way, The Nguyen Binh Khiem's prophecies was never considered the oldest mention of the name Vietnam because no original record of his works is still kept, most of them was passed from generations to generations as tales or legends. The most recorded Khiem's prophecies were prophecies about the Nguyen Lord and Mac Dynasty which, in my opinion, were forged due to political reasons. In sum up, I don't believe these prophecies are suitable sources for writing on Wikipedia, you can bring your addition if you find any other reliable sources.-- AM ( talk) 20:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
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IMO, translating “Bách Việt” (Baiyue) as “hundred Viets” [2] is misleading for several reasons:
I don't think that the statement "First, the Chinese-supported Mạc Dynasty challenged the Lê Dynasty's power" is correct. While it is true that after 1592, the remnant of the Mạc court held on to Cao Bằng with the help of the Ming, the Mạc dynasty held the upper-hand up until around 1580, and needed no help from the Chinese court. There was controversy regarding the Mạc's foreign policy toward China, but that was an entirely different matter. There is no reason for the word "Chinese-supported" in that sentence. For references, check the wikipedia pages History of Vietnam, and the vi.wikipedia.org page "Nhà Mạc". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giaovu ( talk • contribs) 05:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Why does the article body say N & S Vietnam were merged on 2 July 1976, but the infobox says they were reunified on 30 April 1975? Thanks - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 22:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Binh Thuan and Ninh Thuan seem to be more often seen as part of the South Central Coast rather than Southeast. I intend to change the subdivisions section accordingly. Are there any objections? BertholdD ( talk) 10:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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Here is the official leadership ranking. It goes president, defense minister, and then prime minister. Kauffner ( talk) 04:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
According to the web site of the Vietnamese Embassy, the president of Vietnam is Nguyen Minh Triet. The country's factfile should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.208.76 ( talk) 22:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
It is insane and unreasonable to include some other countries' inference about a country. Who cares what US thinks about any nation? If one goes to some social network sites and sees communities related to pakistan or arab states, most of them will have a poll with 90% of the respondents saying US as the biggest terrorist nation in the world. Can we include this inference in the page for USA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.58.109 ( talk) 12:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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Obbop heartily agrees. My experience with the oft-times befuddled well-indoctrinated citizen-sheep ill- and uneducated buffoons of the USA who are all-too-often spewers of implanted knee-jerk rhetoric foisted upon the VAST majority of USA citizenry by their elite-class masters and corporate USA so as to maintain a status quo of immense benefit to a VERY FEW high atop the pyramid-shaped socio-economic hierarchy has led to so very very very few USA citizens being able to formulate their OWN opinion about ANY aspect of Vietnam, pre, during or the post Vietnam Conflict era when the USA imposed itself yet again on another country's affairs. When will we ever learn...... when will we ever.... learn? 66.148.248.210 ( talk) 14:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC) Obbop scribbled this while scratching his oblate-spheroid-shaped noggin amazed at the amassed idiocy of a supposed informed electorate that s all-too-often the mental willing slaves of their masters.
Under Education please remove this information: "In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is free and mandatory"
That's totally wrong! In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is NOT FREE! I'm a Vietnamese myself and I can assure you that there's nothing free in Vietnam especially education which is asking for even more money now, just search around the net and you will see.
Yakushosama ( talk) 19:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Just search around the net you will see education in Vietnam is not free, ok for example http://www.asiarecipe.com/vieteducation.html you see it doesnt mention free education in Vietnam at all please trust me I'm a native Vietnamese I was born and grown up in Vietnam so I know about the education in Vietnam very well, it's very bad and not free at all.
The one that posted the information "In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is free and mandatory" has no source to prove it also then why wikipedia still publish it? it says [citation needed] then I'm hereby to verify that information is misleading so please remove it or at least edit it like this: "In Vietnam, education from age 6 to 11 is not free and mandatory" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yakushosama ( talk • contribs) 03:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Not done
Done
I removed this claim as it has not been cited anyway.--
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The caption under the Cao Dai temple photo should read "The main Cao Dai temple in Tay Ninh." It's the Cao Dai equivalent of Vatican City.
67.168.54.133 ( talk) 01:45, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
The Culture section of the article lacks citations and is pretty cursory in dealing with some fairly important cultural elements, such as festivals and cuisine. I've copyedited it as best I can, but what it needs is an expert on the subject. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Michaelmas1957 ( talk) 13:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
In the religion section it says "that all regions are equal before law". Regions should be religions, which the source corroborates. -- Kikikomori ( talk) 03:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
There is a ranked list of leaders that was widely published in the Vietnamese media after the last party congress, example by VNA and by VOV. I don't see any basis to list the leaders in some other order. Kauffner ( talk) 05:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I've been noticing that there is a hybrid of British and American spelling. We must do away with one spelling in this article. The world community prefers the British Spelling over the American. This means that the American spelling has to go away from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.67.98 ( talk) 18:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
In an article about Vietnam, we should follow the terminology used in Vietnam-oriented writing, for example A History of Vietnam by Oscar Chapius. This edit is problematic is several respects. "Nam Viet" is certainly a more common spelling in English than Nanyue. "Zhao Tuo" and "Trieu Da" are both quite common spellings, and there is no basis stigmatize Trieu Da. And why stop there? Any Vietnamese name can be translated into Chinese and given a pinyin spelling. We can have "Hú Zhì Míng" instead of "Ho Chi Minh". As for the phrase "Chinese south", this is not only ungrammatical, but suggests that the salient fact about Vietnam is that it is south of China. Kauffner ( talk) 19:27, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Not all Vietnamese name can be translate to Chinese. For example: Lía, Bé, Nòi, and many orther word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.16.154.255 ( talk) 14:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
What is the legally official name of the country in English. In this regard, I would mention that the info. box uses the term "Vietname" but on the Names of Vietnam it is said that the Government and the UN use the name "Viet Nam". I do not know the answer to this one at present so would like an inmformed answer if some one could provide one. I do think some tidy up work is needed to the articles around this to clarify what exactly is official. That can follow. 86.45.54.230 ( talk) 19:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
It refers to Vietnam as a "Communist Nation". Many other pages about socialist republics do this as well. There is no such thing as a communist nation or communist state. They are socialist states. Communism, by it's very definition, indicates a future period, in which, all countries have become socialist and then the state, being no longer necessary, "withers away". If there's communism, then there are no states and if there are states, then there is no communism. Communism has never existed and a single nation, cannot be communist. Please make the necessary changes to this this page, as well as The Soviet Union, The People's Republic of China, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.137.63 ( talk) 09:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
its written, that Viet Nam is translated as South Viet, but it could also be "Viet Male", since Nam has more meanings in vietnamesse.. and imo "South Viet" is a total nonsence (im from vietnamse heritage)..i think it would be best to skip that translation part — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.81.133.34 ( talk) 19:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi - posting this here since I can't post on the Vietnamese wiki. Can anyone help with a Vietnamese-English translation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#poster.2Fvi - thank you. 184.147.123.69 ( talk) 15:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Regarding this section: "In the North, thousands of landowners were killed by the communists, and collectivization efforts led to a brief famine. In the South, Diem went about crushing political and religious opposition, imprisoning or killing tens of thousands; dissidents were routinely labelled as communists even if they were anti-communist." I think it is strange that you mention Diem killed "tens of thousands" and that Ho's regime killed "thousands of landowners". The wording makes it sound like Diem's killing was greater or at least comparable to North Vietnam's. I think would be more accurate to mention that "tens of thousands" were killed during land reform. To be fair it would be more accurate to say "hundreds of thousand died" since the actual figure of deaths is most certainly in the hundreds of the thousands. The actual bare minimum estimate for those dead during land reform is actually a pretty lofty 115,000 dead, so you should be able to see why "thousands of landowners" doesn't give an impression close enough to the reality.
Sources: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB11.1.GIF http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP6.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB11.3.GIF http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB6.1B.GIF — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stumink ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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RfC: Should the spelling of Vietnamese names follow the general usage of English-language reliable sources? Examples: Ngo Dinh Diem, Ho Chi Minh, and Saigon, or Ngô Đình Diệm, Hồ Chí Minh, and Sài Gòn. The RfC is here. Kauffner ( talk) 14:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I have the latest report on GDP in the first 6 months post TKS1988 ( talk) 05:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a separate article on North Vietnam. That article says that the country merged. That is revisionist history. North Vietnam took over South Vietnam. Anyway, the North Vietnam article ends with the mid-1970's. This article should then continue with history after 1976. All history before that is inappropriate.
The better alternative is to make this article the depository to all history of Vietnam. Then the North Vietnam article should be merged and deleted. Auchansa ( talk) 03:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
In order to be consistent with the majority of the country pages, could someone please change the first portion of my main meal
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"The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states espousing communism."
What about North Korea? It is a single party state that espouses state communism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.31.197 ( talk) 02:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Approximately 4 years after the US withdrawal China invaded Vietnam. This is an important part of Vietnamese history. In relative quick succession they had to deal with the French, the Japanese, the French again, the Americans, and then the Chinese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.149.109.63 ( talk) 13:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
The first paragraph of the "1976 - Present" section refers to collectivisation as a failure and triple digit inflation without providing any citation. RoboTree ( talk) 23:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Don't see the big problem with the Vietnam War section. It outlines the events of the war and identifies the key players, as it should do. Obviously it needs more refs (I'll work on that shortly), but otherwise it doesn't seem too biased or overlong. – Michaelmas1957 ( talk) 23:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the following sentence: "The name Vietnam translates as "Southern Viet" (synonymous with the much more ancient term Nam Viet), . . . ." The sentence should read: "The name Vietnam translates as "South Viet" (in contrast to the ancient term Nam Viet, which means Southern Viet), . . . ." The original sentence is not true. The change may seem inconsequential, but it is not. Southern gives the connotation that it is the southern part of a larger area, while south gives the connotation that it is a separate entity. This was the reason that Ho Chi Minh changed the name. Examples of this subtle change can be seen in the difference between Norther and Southern California and North and South Carolina. The former signifies two regions of the same state while the latter indicates two separate states. Jcguevara14 ( talk) 21:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Somebody must add that the language of French is a minority language in Vietnam. Please have it done ASAP. Chipperdude15 ( talk) 12:06, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that it was Vietnam that ended the Cambodian Holocaust of the Khemer Rouge.
See your own wiki pages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_War for reference.
It appears the North American and European politics enters into Wikipedia and makes acknowledgement of the ending of a Holocaust by a communist regime a fact that needs to be kept from the masses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.185.198.205 ( talk) 07:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
This is not my or any opinion, it is not a POV, by the nature of the assertion it is not, because it is fact, which is sourced and a matter of public record and therefore shouldn't be a matter of controversy. The fact that Vietnam today continues to suffer from the chemical poisoning of their agriculture is not a POV or opinion, it is a matter of sourced fact. It appears that editors are more concerned about pushing a hostile political agenda by not only not including facts but by putting outright lies on the nature of the war. The war was not a North vs. South conflict, it was a war between the Southern government and the National Liberation Front, composed entirely of South Vietnamese citizens, the government being supported by the US military while the NLF being supported by the North. The fact that the NLF was supported by the majority of the population of South Vietnam is not a POV or opinion, it is a matter of sourced fact. A fact which is self-confirming in the history based on the aborted elections and overt corruption which is now a matter of public record and therefore should not be a subject of controversy. The nature of the conflict as it is currently described is 'not' factually correct. Michaelwuzthere ( talk) 18:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the NFL, I have added a mention that they were a belligerent. The current lead is actually very neutral and includes the basic information that is necessary. Stumink ( talk) 18:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Wow, a lot of hysterical propaganda in here. You're one step away from blaming the Vietnamese for invading the U.S.
The irony is, you don't even seem to see it. When the U.S. does something horrendous, it's a "tragic unintended consequence", while all other actors are merely provoking this great benevolent and diplomatic state. If an alien could somehow see the Vietnam war, and then see what many westerners write and say about it, he would probably wonder what they were even talking about.
The burden, apparently, is always on the "radical left", as in, the one willing to point out ugly, unpopular and "flagrantly undue" truths. The victors write the history books, indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.42.161 ( talk) 02:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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In the "Government and politics" section of the Vietnam page, it lists only 4 countries that are still Communist, it says: "The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining single-party socialist states officially espousing communism." However there are 5. Someone forgot to add in North Korea. Could you please add in North Korea? Thank you. RepublicOfGermania ( talk) 16:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty absurd that, regardless what they officially espouse, China is considered communist while North Korea is not. The former is clearly a state-capitalist system, while the latter is significantly closer, at very least, to what we would call communism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.42.161 ( talk) 02:29, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Everybody, "Ha Tay" isn't a province of Vietnam any longer, please change the map! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dangchanhung3 ( talk • contribs) 05:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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Was: Conflict between the two sides intensified, with heavy intervention from the United States, in what is known as the Vietnam War. The war ended with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975.
Should be: Conflict between the two sides intensified, with heavy intervention from the United States, in what is known in Vietnam as the American war, as they were seen as the occupying forces, and as the Vietnam War to those outside the country. The war ended with unification of both North and South Vietnam in 1975.
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