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English Lit. was offered as a core 'O' level subject in 2004. A whole class (4H 2004) took that subject. ωhkoh [ Т] 09:03, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
Does anybody know the history of the Victorian bumble bee? Also, why was 'Victorian' chosen to be written on the shirt instead of 'Victoria', 'Victoria School' etc like most schools?
REPLY: Victorian Bumble Bee started using in early to mid 1987, earlier Victorians wear a White PT shirt with front school logo in standard red-yellow colours and curved VICTORIAN in red at the back.
As for why VICTORIAN is used versus using VICTORIA or Victoria School, it seems to be the tradition at VS to use "VICTORIAN" for standard PT shirts (for all Victorians to wear / use within VS compound); and use "VICTORIA" for Tank Top/singlets, and special sports attire for representatives at national level meets or competitions...
REPLY:
I think if anyone has photographs of the old PT shirts, it would be good to post them up because it is a part of history. You don't see them anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.10.13 ( talk) 05:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
REPLY: I'm not sure about the usage of VICTORIA and VICTORIAN. It seems like the singlets are also used for school events (sports day/school cross country) and not really for national level stuff. They have their own CCA singlet for national level stuff. Could there be some other reason why the PT shirts write 'VICTORIAN' while the singlets write 'VICTORIA'? —Preceding
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I read that LTC red shirts are not allowed to be worn conventionally in public. I understand that as a disciplined and regimented group, LTC has chosen to enforced such a rule. However, is it against the school rules to wear the yellow PT kit conventionally? I have spotted Victorians or Ex-Victorians who wear the PT kit in public even on public holidays, and I wonder whether the LTC rule applies.
There is no such thing as the "Victorian Bumble Bee", as far as I know. The clour yellow is from the school's crest. The word Victorian was probably used because of the camaraderie amongst Victorians, but the decision was made a long time ago and I am unable to verify it. But there are other schools which do interesting things with their PE attire, for instance Saint Patrick's School has "I <3 St Pats" similar to the famous I<3NY logo.
Visaisahero 18:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I think there is no need to list all the achievements for the year. I've checked the pages of other top boys' schools and none of them do it. It's like trying to publicise over a little bit of achievement. The school website already has all this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 ( talk) 04:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
this article overexaggerates that accomplishment, implying that VS won that competition, "..against powerhouses.." such as SCGS and NYGH. This is untrue, the Gold award merely places the school's drama performance in a broad category, akin to a distinction - below Gold w/honours which would denote a top 7(?) school. I find it highly unlikely that the other-mentioned schools would have done worst. Other schools have routinely achieved Gold awards on their first SYF attempts, for example Chestnut Drive Sec, and Gan Eng Seng (Sec), in drama in a year alone. A fine accomplishment perhaps, certainly not outstanding.
I further question the link between a strong drama tradition, should it exist, and a high general standard of english within the school.
does the accomplishment re 2004 debate refer to the Julia Gabriel-organized national competition? or..? can the article attempt to clarify that. If so, there are 3 tiers within that competition, A, B and C, for schools of different ability, which one did VS make it to the quarterfinals for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scyum ( talk • contribs)
there is an inaccurate use of the pictures and descriptions and rules are slightly inaccurate as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.154.14 ( talk • contribs)
Is Victoria Continuation School another name of Victoria School or related to VS? There used to be Anglo-Chinese Continuation (old name of ACS) and St Andrew's Continuation School which is part of the St Andrew's family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.243.218.4 ( talk • contribs)
Reply: Thanks for the info. Does this mean to say that when a person attended Victoria Continuation School, he effectively attended Victoria School, but as an overaged student? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.243.218.4 ( talk • contribs)
Someone's put up the POV Check but has not included on this talk page why.
I removed it after reading the article (and find it to be rather neutral) but since I'm a Victorian, my POV might be different. Please comment if there's anything that you find biased. Jsamraj 13:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I remember back at the Geylang Bahru campus, there was some notable canteen stalls that students always patronize. 1 of which is the western stall with the squabbling couple and another is the rice with mixed vege stall which offers generous portions at an incredibly cheap price. anyone knows where these stalls shifted to? Or how are these "victorians" coping now.
It's nice to include a list of prominent alumni, but I believe everyone should be aware that not all of these "prominent" alumni are necessarily notable as per Wikipedia guidelines. Efforts should be made to crop it as soon as possible. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 10:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Link Can be found on National Library straittimes http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19500617.1.11.aspx
His article can be found on the The Singapore National library. One article " School Boy Run in 100m in 103/4 sec". Link: http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19490702.1.12.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.164.125.20 ( talk) 14:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090327-131603.html Referring to the above article, I am wondering why the principal of VJC has so much say in this matter. Principals come and go every few years. But the alumni will always be alumni. What is the VAC/VEC stand on this matter? Shouldn't the VAC/VEC have jurisdiction over the 2 schools?
If this is a boys' school as stated, how come there are women in the list of alumni? Alarics ( talk) 07:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
it will make Victoria School page too long DragTian ( talk) 18:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason to create a separate article listing notable alumni, especially one which is 80% red links. The list has been merged back into this article. Also, the term "old victorians" may be meaningful to alumni of the school but a more generic "alumni" term should be used to make it clear to all readers.-- RadioFan ( talk) 12:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Is private caning practiced in VS? I have never heard of this. Is there any evidence of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 ( talk) 05:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC) All the schools follow Ministry of Education's guidelines. Only public caning when the student has breached major rules, eg hitting a teacher. DragTian ( talk) 01:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
REPLY: It is written on the Wikipedia article that private canings are carried out in Victoria School. Since only public caning takes place, the sentence that VS practises private caning should be removed.
Suggest you talk to RadioFan. Previously he had deleted and merged pages created separately into Victoria School without discussion. We cannot allow people who are trigger-happy to create/re-merge and repeat this all over again. DragTian ( talk) 04:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I note that the article has been placed under the Category:Boarding schools in Singapore. I'm wondering though if this is a right categorisation; if the boarding school in the school campus is called Victoria School only, then it should be fine. However, if the boarding school has a separate name (say Victoria School Boarding School), then perhaps the categorisation should be removed, and creating a new article on the boarding school itself would be appropriate. Thanks, and if you need further comments, you may find me on my talk page. AngChenrui ( talk) 12:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
By default, lyrics are copyright protected. Because of Wikipedia's licensing scheme, copyrighted material of any type must not be included anywhere in Wikipedia. It is the responsibility of the author to demonstrate that any material added to Wikipedia is adequately licesnsed or shown to be in the public domain. An anonymous user has claimed that because the lyrics are reproduced on the school website at http://vs.moe.edu.sg/ (see School Information -> Anthem), this means they are in the public domain. I cannot find any claim on the website that shows its contents are public domain. Please point me to the section of the website if I am missing it. The default copyright would lie with J.A. Frazer and could not be assigned to the public domain without the explicit permission of the copyright holder - presumably Mr. Frazer or his heirs or similar. Its possible the copyright was assigned to the school, and the school has subsequently put them into the public domain, but we would need to se some documentary evidence to back up this claim before they are restored to the article. Thanks, Sparthorse ( talk) 17:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I have redirected Arrow Scout Group to this article. I wanted to merge some of the contents, but on a closer look, the sourcing is not adequate and there is some original research. The history of Arrow Scout Group has been preserved so that if anyone is interested, they may consider merging some information. As of now, the article about Victoria School needs an overhaul. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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English Lit. was offered as a core 'O' level subject in 2004. A whole class (4H 2004) took that subject. ωhkoh [ Т] 09:03, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
Does anybody know the history of the Victorian bumble bee? Also, why was 'Victorian' chosen to be written on the shirt instead of 'Victoria', 'Victoria School' etc like most schools?
REPLY: Victorian Bumble Bee started using in early to mid 1987, earlier Victorians wear a White PT shirt with front school logo in standard red-yellow colours and curved VICTORIAN in red at the back.
As for why VICTORIAN is used versus using VICTORIA or Victoria School, it seems to be the tradition at VS to use "VICTORIAN" for standard PT shirts (for all Victorians to wear / use within VS compound); and use "VICTORIA" for Tank Top/singlets, and special sports attire for representatives at national level meets or competitions...
REPLY:
I think if anyone has photographs of the old PT shirts, it would be good to post them up because it is a part of history. You don't see them anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.10.13 ( talk) 05:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
REPLY: I'm not sure about the usage of VICTORIA and VICTORIAN. It seems like the singlets are also used for school events (sports day/school cross country) and not really for national level stuff. They have their own CCA singlet for national level stuff. Could there be some other reason why the PT shirts write 'VICTORIAN' while the singlets write 'VICTORIA'? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
218.186.12.228 (
talk)
05:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I read that LTC red shirts are not allowed to be worn conventionally in public. I understand that as a disciplined and regimented group, LTC has chosen to enforced such a rule. However, is it against the school rules to wear the yellow PT kit conventionally? I have spotted Victorians or Ex-Victorians who wear the PT kit in public even on public holidays, and I wonder whether the LTC rule applies.
There is no such thing as the "Victorian Bumble Bee", as far as I know. The clour yellow is from the school's crest. The word Victorian was probably used because of the camaraderie amongst Victorians, but the decision was made a long time ago and I am unable to verify it. But there are other schools which do interesting things with their PE attire, for instance Saint Patrick's School has "I <3 St Pats" similar to the famous I<3NY logo.
Visaisahero 18:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I think there is no need to list all the achievements for the year. I've checked the pages of other top boys' schools and none of them do it. It's like trying to publicise over a little bit of achievement. The school website already has all this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 ( talk) 04:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
this article overexaggerates that accomplishment, implying that VS won that competition, "..against powerhouses.." such as SCGS and NYGH. This is untrue, the Gold award merely places the school's drama performance in a broad category, akin to a distinction - below Gold w/honours which would denote a top 7(?) school. I find it highly unlikely that the other-mentioned schools would have done worst. Other schools have routinely achieved Gold awards on their first SYF attempts, for example Chestnut Drive Sec, and Gan Eng Seng (Sec), in drama in a year alone. A fine accomplishment perhaps, certainly not outstanding.
I further question the link between a strong drama tradition, should it exist, and a high general standard of english within the school.
does the accomplishment re 2004 debate refer to the Julia Gabriel-organized national competition? or..? can the article attempt to clarify that. If so, there are 3 tiers within that competition, A, B and C, for schools of different ability, which one did VS make it to the quarterfinals for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scyum ( talk • contribs)
there is an inaccurate use of the pictures and descriptions and rules are slightly inaccurate as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.154.14 ( talk • contribs)
Is Victoria Continuation School another name of Victoria School or related to VS? There used to be Anglo-Chinese Continuation (old name of ACS) and St Andrew's Continuation School which is part of the St Andrew's family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.243.218.4 ( talk • contribs)
Reply: Thanks for the info. Does this mean to say that when a person attended Victoria Continuation School, he effectively attended Victoria School, but as an overaged student? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.243.218.4 ( talk • contribs)
Someone's put up the POV Check but has not included on this talk page why.
I removed it after reading the article (and find it to be rather neutral) but since I'm a Victorian, my POV might be different. Please comment if there's anything that you find biased. Jsamraj 13:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I remember back at the Geylang Bahru campus, there was some notable canteen stalls that students always patronize. 1 of which is the western stall with the squabbling couple and another is the rice with mixed vege stall which offers generous portions at an incredibly cheap price. anyone knows where these stalls shifted to? Or how are these "victorians" coping now.
It's nice to include a list of prominent alumni, but I believe everyone should be aware that not all of these "prominent" alumni are necessarily notable as per Wikipedia guidelines. Efforts should be made to crop it as soon as possible. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 10:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Link Can be found on National Library straittimes http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19500617.1.11.aspx
His article can be found on the The Singapore National library. One article " School Boy Run in 100m in 103/4 sec". Link: http://newspapers.nl.sg/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19490702.1.12.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.164.125.20 ( talk) 14:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090327-131603.html Referring to the above article, I am wondering why the principal of VJC has so much say in this matter. Principals come and go every few years. But the alumni will always be alumni. What is the VAC/VEC stand on this matter? Shouldn't the VAC/VEC have jurisdiction over the 2 schools?
If this is a boys' school as stated, how come there are women in the list of alumni? Alarics ( talk) 07:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
it will make Victoria School page too long DragTian ( talk) 18:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason to create a separate article listing notable alumni, especially one which is 80% red links. The list has been merged back into this article. Also, the term "old victorians" may be meaningful to alumni of the school but a more generic "alumni" term should be used to make it clear to all readers.-- RadioFan ( talk) 12:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Is private caning practiced in VS? I have never heard of this. Is there any evidence of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.228 ( talk) 05:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC) All the schools follow Ministry of Education's guidelines. Only public caning when the student has breached major rules, eg hitting a teacher. DragTian ( talk) 01:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
REPLY: It is written on the Wikipedia article that private canings are carried out in Victoria School. Since only public caning takes place, the sentence that VS practises private caning should be removed.
Suggest you talk to RadioFan. Previously he had deleted and merged pages created separately into Victoria School without discussion. We cannot allow people who are trigger-happy to create/re-merge and repeat this all over again. DragTian ( talk) 04:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I note that the article has been placed under the Category:Boarding schools in Singapore. I'm wondering though if this is a right categorisation; if the boarding school in the school campus is called Victoria School only, then it should be fine. However, if the boarding school has a separate name (say Victoria School Boarding School), then perhaps the categorisation should be removed, and creating a new article on the boarding school itself would be appropriate. Thanks, and if you need further comments, you may find me on my talk page. AngChenrui ( talk) 12:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
By default, lyrics are copyright protected. Because of Wikipedia's licensing scheme, copyrighted material of any type must not be included anywhere in Wikipedia. It is the responsibility of the author to demonstrate that any material added to Wikipedia is adequately licesnsed or shown to be in the public domain. An anonymous user has claimed that because the lyrics are reproduced on the school website at http://vs.moe.edu.sg/ (see School Information -> Anthem), this means they are in the public domain. I cannot find any claim on the website that shows its contents are public domain. Please point me to the section of the website if I am missing it. The default copyright would lie with J.A. Frazer and could not be assigned to the public domain without the explicit permission of the copyright holder - presumably Mr. Frazer or his heirs or similar. Its possible the copyright was assigned to the school, and the school has subsequently put them into the public domain, but we would need to se some documentary evidence to back up this claim before they are restored to the article. Thanks, Sparthorse ( talk) 17:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I have redirected Arrow Scout Group to this article. I wanted to merge some of the contents, but on a closer look, the sourcing is not adequate and there is some original research. The history of Arrow Scout Group has been preserved so that if anyone is interested, they may consider merging some information. As of now, the article about Victoria School needs an overhaul. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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