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Deleting this page is an act of suppression of a large group of people who have been covered globally by news outlets for their dedication and charity. The article is helping a lot of people to understand what happened and helping them in coming together. Do not put in words from tabloids, they've reported falsely. Zack Snyder himself told us that 130 minutes were deleted. Bjthegeek ( talk) 10:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, it has a certain revelance, Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood reporter wrote about this, it is an precidence case of changing a director´s vision in Hollywood, is a atopic of many discussions, not only for comicbookfans but also for filmaker in general and people who are interested in art.. During the years became a larger interest. Bruce Banner ( talk) 13:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC) Bruce Banner
seguomos en pie de lucha Los Seguidores de esta franquicia para Recuperar la Version Original de Liga de la.juativia del director Zack Snyder RobinhVilla87 ( talk) 15:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Had corrected numerous spelling and grammatical errors and taken out the obvious bias of this article, which had eliminated the proposed deletion, but for some reason the errors were put back in and, lo and behold, the article is about to be deleted again. Tried to help, but to no avail. Good luck pal.
The article states the following: "Reportedly, Johns proceeded to reshoot the movie despite Affleck's and Terrio's objections." However, neither of the two sources (the second of which leads to a broken link) state anything supporting such a claim. Did I miss something?-- Valkyrie Red ( talk) 04:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Re-establish the focus of this article. I would say, rename it to Development of Justice League or something similar, and write from the inception of the film, Snyder's involvement, Snyder's retirement, Whedon's reshoots, release, the Snyder cut movement, and future. Most of this is already in the article. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 18:40, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, the Wikipedia community and the supervising admin have spoken - the Versions of Justice League page is here to stay. My stance on the issue was not wholly in line with Wikipedia policy, so we've an article for the time being. Considering I was the one who proposed its deletion in the first place, I think it only right I at least come forth with some proposals on how to make the article better. I'll try to keep the purview of my suggestions to the overall structure and focus of the article, as those edits made in the last week by people who discovered the issue through twitter and tried to bias it in favor of the hashtag movement and against the studio are already obvious enough candidates for removal.
These are my (incredibly broad) first round suggestions for how to improve the article. Fezmar9, I leave the ball in your court to respond. I hope this discussion proves fruitful and produces a better article. Gargus-SCP ( talk) 13:56, 27 July 2019 (PST)
@
Fezmar9: At the AFD, you said I felt I neutrally added information whether it was positive or negative. Both the "The "Snyder Cut" (2016–2017)" and "#ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement" sections include criticism paragraphs.
but I can't actually find that.
The mainstream view of this matter appears to be that a "Snyder Cut" doesn't actually exist, but this article seems structured to convince the reader that it must exist, and
Versions of Justice League##ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement contains, with the exception of one bit of lip service (Yohana Desta of Vanity Fair described the act of fans demanding an alternative cut as an example of toxic fandom, placing it in the same vein as the 2017 harassment of Star Wars: The Last Jedi actress Kelly Marie Tran.
) no criticism like inclusion of the fact that the movement is, like many other Internet activism movements, apparently motivated by an alt-right, anti-feminist mentality (the kind that says Snyder should get credit for Wonder Woman). Instead we include an entire paragraph about how great the movement is at donating to charities.
Was the Yohana Desta of Vanity Fair described the act of fans demanding an alternative cut as an example of toxic fandom, placing it in the same vein as the 2017 harassment of Star Wars: The Last Jedi actress Kelly Marie Tran.
what you meant when you said the section included a "criticism paragraph"?
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 23:37, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Warner executives who saw his cut noted that Snyder made significant efforts to lighten the tone following the criticism of Batman v Superman.[3] After the release of Aquaman, the movie was said to have a similar tone to the "Snyder Cut".[44] Despite this, Warner was still unhappy with the results and test audiences reportedly described the cut as "unwatchable".[45] The first two trailers for Justice League used footage from the "Snyder Cut" before Whedon's contributions,[46][47] and were subject to a mixed reception.[48][49][50][51] Neil Daly, who oversaw the test screenings, said test audiences ranked Batman and Superman the lowest of the main cast.[52] Warner reportedly stated it has no plans of releasing an alternate cut of Justice League.[53]
Other figures are less optimistic that the "Snyder Cut" will ever be released. Citing industry sources, writer Mario F. Robles said Warner doesn't trust Snyder's vision and aren't willing to spend the millions of dollars it would cost to finish his cut.[78] Brooks Barnes, Hollywood reporter for The New York Times theorizes that the "Snyder Cut" will never be released due to a mix of the high cost to finish the project and corporate ego. He elaborated: "The ego kind of comes in where, like, no studio will ever put itself in a position of looking like they made the wrong decision. Let's just say it was finished, they put it out, everyone loves it, 'Oh my God, this should have been the movie.' That puts jobs at risk at the high level. Right? And so right there, it's not happening."[2] Yohana Desta of Vanity Fair described the act of fans demanding an alternative cut as an example of toxic fandom, placing it in the same vein as the 2017 harassment of Star Wars: The Last Jedi actress Kelly Marie Tran.[79] Writing for Forbes, Scott Mendelson suggested it would be more likely for audiences to see either an animated or comic-book adaptation of Snyder's script than a polished, full-length feature film being finished and released.[80]
Ahead of the 2019 San Diego Comic-Con, a fan launched a crowdfunding campaign with half of the funds going toward an advertising campaign including billboards and a flying banner ad promoting the "Snyder Cut", and the other half will be donated to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.[76][77]is not a plain statement of fact, but a statement of praise—one that does not simply state what happened, but one that shows how "great" they are and showing overwhelming positivity and support for the movement? One that's practically begging readers to sign a petition and rally in the streets? Is that correct? If so, we may have very different definitions of "neutral".
Principle photography was shot entirely using 35 mm film[24] and wrapped in December 2016.[25] Months later, multiple cuts of Snyder's Justice League were shown to Warner executives, in addition to friends and family of Snyder.[26][25] A final run-time and picture lock were achieved, though the cuts had incomplete VFX shots, partial audio mixing and Junkie XL's soundtrack was mid-way through production.[27][28] During an event, Snyder said that he had multiple cuts that were essentially "done," only needing "a few CG tweaks" to complete, but that it was ultimately up to Warner to release it.[29][30] This mostly finished version of Justice League is what's often referred to as the "Snyder Cut".The existence of this rough cut has been confirmed by Snyder himself and Jay Oliva who worked on the film and others, and was widely reported on. Even the Vanity Fair article titled "Justice League Fans Still Desperately Hoping for Snyder Cut That Doesn’t Exist" (emphasis mine) states "Per the W.S.J., insiders who actually worked on the film said that the director did make a rough cut of the movie after principal photography was finished, but it was not one that was meant to be released" — that's it, right there, that's the rough "Snyder Cut" that sources claim doesn't exist and members of the movement want to see one day. Any source that claims it doesn't exist either does not understand the distinction that fans actually want to see that incomplete rough cut, or they're ignoring the sources that have demonstrated this version of the film actually exists. And I don't know a neutral way to represent both sides of that in a way that doesn't sound sarcastic or moronic: "The director says he made a rough cut and his storyboard artist who helped make the film confirms it exists, but people who are unrelated to the film disagree and say it doesn't exist."???? Either it exists or it doesn't, and the people who made it say it does, so...
With regard to "toxic", there are 2 instances where "Toxic" isn't in quotes. One intros, and one is paraphrase of someone's words. Generally, I wouldn't use that term period, unless it was directly quoted. It would fall into those peacock terms. Typically peacock terms are used as "puffery" if you will, but I would argue that the alternative side of that could still be considered peacock, because at its whole the idea is that the description doesn't stick to the facts or rely on a direct quote of someone's words. If you're sticking to the facts, then the only time "toxic" or any judgmental word for that matter is used would be when quoting someone else. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I see this page was up for deletion and the result was to keep. I agree with that decision and think the page should stay but do you think the name should be changed? (Which is technically moving the page but you know what I mean. I found the page through a Google search for "Snyder Cut" and was very glad to find the page, but at first I thought it was some mistake as "Versions Of Justice League" sounds like a page on alternate versions of the Justice League group not versions of the Justice League movie. I thought this might have been about the Evil Justice League from Dimension X, the golden age Justice Society, the dream Justice Alliance that a mutant kid made up etc. etc. Or different portrayals of the group in different media over the decades. From the title I really didn't think it would be about different versions of the movie. Don't get me wrong, I'm GLAD that I was wrong because I was looking for the information in this article, I just think it would be better suited with a different name. 82.18.205.199 ( talk) 02:25, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
"@Julian1Seguin8: Please open up a discussion at Talk:Versions of Justice League instead of my personal talk page so that other editors can join the conversation and this becomes less of a me vs you thing. When you open that discussion, please also provide more substantive evidence than "someone followed someone on Twitter, that PROVES I'm right!". Wikipedia uses official, published sources that very clearly and explicitly support claims added to articles. You're going to need a published source that says "Snyder is currently working with Warner to complete his film" outright if you want to make that claim on Wikipedia. You're going to need a published source that says "the 'Snyder Cut' is 100% complete and doesn't need any additional pickups, sound editing, or CGI" outright if you want to make that claim on Wikipedia. Short of that, you're just speculating, reading between the lines and promoting unsubstantiated internet gossip as truth, and this is not the platform for that kind of behavior. Also, your edits actually REMOVED a citation that used Snyder's Vero picture of film canisters, so if you wanted this to stay then please exercise caution when making edits to Wikipedia. See you over at Talk:Versions of Justice League! Fezmar9 (talk) 12:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)"
@Fezmar9: I am not using Twitter as confirmation, just as a sign. It does not prove I am right, nor did I ever say it did. I would appreciate it if you refrained from manipulating my words. I never said outright that Snyder was working with Warner yet, but there is evidence that the photo came from the headquarters. "Short of that, you're just speculating, reading between the lines and promoting unsubstantiated internet gossip as truth, and this is not the platform for that kind of behavior." I am doing nothing that you haven't been doing. Taking a post that is over a year old and using it as confirmation of something currently does not work. It does not matter if a new statement has yet to be released because the last statement is no longer current. I am not reading between any lines when I saw the film was finished filming and that picture lock and been completed. That already outright contradicts Kevin Smith's statement. Sure he could have meant that the rough-cut was not meant for mass consumption, but he has failed to prove any of this. He has no listed sources and no one has come forth, not even anonymously to back him up. Remind me again, why we take his word over Jason's?
-- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 18:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8
Just saying.
-- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 03:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8}
-- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 03:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8
This should be adequate proof to add back Snyder's quote that "all the hard creative choices are done." https://twitter.com/Theseus_2good4U/status/1209619275259858944 -- Julian1Seguin8 —Preceding undated comment added 23:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
You and your miserable hypocrisy. You speculate as much as I do, and have the nerve to act like you don't. Here is a link: https://theplaylist.net/zack-snyder-justice-league-images-20191226/ You claiming that the Snyder Cut has a "notorious rep" for photoshopping is meaningless because it does not prove anything. Also, this https://www.facebook.com/messenger_photo?fbid=967191947010471. And even with that in mind, you are also conveniently leaving out the part that is still there. "Not sure what difference it makes as to the finished level of the film" That could easily be interpreted to mean that Snyder could release the Cut as is, but that he's still tinkering around with it, like every other director and you LEFT THAT OUT. -- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 04:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8
@ Mtj456:, you have added the following sentence to the article without a supporting source: "Superman also wore the black suit the entirety of the film and would continue wearing it for the next 2. He would revert to the classic suit at the conclusion of his arc." This is heavily disputed. It may have been Snyder's intention to go this direction, but WB was not supportive of the black suit and it's not 100% clear if it would have appeared in Snyder's theatrical cut at all and for what amount would it have appeared if it did. While members of the cast and crew have discussed a black suit making an appearance, it appears Cavill filmed all of his scenes wearing his classic blue suit and Snyder was hoping to convince WB to color correct it to black in post-production. Obviously those conversations never took place because Snyder's role was cut short, and it's not clear how those conversations would have gone had they actually happened. From ScreenRant's coverage of the black suit debate:
Snyder says his cut of the movie will have Superman wearing the black suit, but we know from set photos and deleted scenes that the movie was shot with Cavill always wearing a blue suit. Snyder even shot the classic Christopher Reeve style shirt rip ending scene with the blue suit. Snyder agreed to film the movie in the blue suit hoping to convince WB to convert to the black suit during post-production where the suit could easily be color corrected to the black and silver version as seen in the Death and Return of Superman arc in the comics. While changing the suit to black was a possibility, looking at the sheer amount of pushback to Snyder's ideas in Justice League, it's hard to see him ultimately winning that battle, at least not as much as he wanted. Even if Superman wore the black suit, it likely wouldn't be the entirety of the movie as he originally planned. [10] [11]
Please do not add this back to the page without further discussion. Fezmar9 ( talk) 16:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It seems a bit odd that there is an article for all the versions of this film when there are literally only two versions of the film, one of them already has an entire article dedicated to it, and a big section of this page is actually about two other films. Wouldn't it make more sense to have one article about the film in general / the theatrical release, include details about the planned sequels at the end of that article like we normally would, and then let this article just be about the Snyder Cut. I can understand why some may have been hesitant to do that in the past, but now that the Snyder Cut is actually going to be released and there is clearly enough coverage of it out there I think we should take this opportunity to reorganize these articles so they make more sense. Thoughts? - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article just be called "Production of Justice League", without the "(film)" at the end, since it's not being differentiated with another article of the same name? WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 22:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Where should Ray Fisher's allegations and the investigation go? 22:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pineapple4321 ( talk • contribs)
Why is the See also section linking to half of Wikipedia? -- JascaDucato ( talk | contributions) 16:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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Deleting this page is an act of suppression of a large group of people who have been covered globally by news outlets for their dedication and charity. The article is helping a lot of people to understand what happened and helping them in coming together. Do not put in words from tabloids, they've reported falsely. Zack Snyder himself told us that 130 minutes were deleted. Bjthegeek ( talk) 10:03, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, it has a certain revelance, Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood reporter wrote about this, it is an precidence case of changing a director´s vision in Hollywood, is a atopic of many discussions, not only for comicbookfans but also for filmaker in general and people who are interested in art.. During the years became a larger interest. Bruce Banner ( talk) 13:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC) Bruce Banner
seguomos en pie de lucha Los Seguidores de esta franquicia para Recuperar la Version Original de Liga de la.juativia del director Zack Snyder RobinhVilla87 ( talk) 15:18, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Had corrected numerous spelling and grammatical errors and taken out the obvious bias of this article, which had eliminated the proposed deletion, but for some reason the errors were put back in and, lo and behold, the article is about to be deleted again. Tried to help, but to no avail. Good luck pal.
The article states the following: "Reportedly, Johns proceeded to reshoot the movie despite Affleck's and Terrio's objections." However, neither of the two sources (the second of which leads to a broken link) state anything supporting such a claim. Did I miss something?-- Valkyrie Red ( talk) 04:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Re-establish the focus of this article. I would say, rename it to Development of Justice League or something similar, and write from the inception of the film, Snyder's involvement, Snyder's retirement, Whedon's reshoots, release, the Snyder cut movement, and future. Most of this is already in the article. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 18:40, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, the Wikipedia community and the supervising admin have spoken - the Versions of Justice League page is here to stay. My stance on the issue was not wholly in line with Wikipedia policy, so we've an article for the time being. Considering I was the one who proposed its deletion in the first place, I think it only right I at least come forth with some proposals on how to make the article better. I'll try to keep the purview of my suggestions to the overall structure and focus of the article, as those edits made in the last week by people who discovered the issue through twitter and tried to bias it in favor of the hashtag movement and against the studio are already obvious enough candidates for removal.
These are my (incredibly broad) first round suggestions for how to improve the article. Fezmar9, I leave the ball in your court to respond. I hope this discussion proves fruitful and produces a better article. Gargus-SCP ( talk) 13:56, 27 July 2019 (PST)
@
Fezmar9: At the AFD, you said I felt I neutrally added information whether it was positive or negative. Both the "The "Snyder Cut" (2016–2017)" and "#ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement" sections include criticism paragraphs.
but I can't actually find that.
The mainstream view of this matter appears to be that a "Snyder Cut" doesn't actually exist, but this article seems structured to convince the reader that it must exist, and
Versions of Justice League##ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement contains, with the exception of one bit of lip service (Yohana Desta of Vanity Fair described the act of fans demanding an alternative cut as an example of toxic fandom, placing it in the same vein as the 2017 harassment of Star Wars: The Last Jedi actress Kelly Marie Tran.
) no criticism like inclusion of the fact that the movement is, like many other Internet activism movements, apparently motivated by an alt-right, anti-feminist mentality (the kind that says Snyder should get credit for Wonder Woman). Instead we include an entire paragraph about how great the movement is at donating to charities.
Was the Yohana Desta of Vanity Fair described the act of fans demanding an alternative cut as an example of toxic fandom, placing it in the same vein as the 2017 harassment of Star Wars: The Last Jedi actress Kelly Marie Tran.
what you meant when you said the section included a "criticism paragraph"?
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 23:37, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Warner executives who saw his cut noted that Snyder made significant efforts to lighten the tone following the criticism of Batman v Superman.[3] After the release of Aquaman, the movie was said to have a similar tone to the "Snyder Cut".[44] Despite this, Warner was still unhappy with the results and test audiences reportedly described the cut as "unwatchable".[45] The first two trailers for Justice League used footage from the "Snyder Cut" before Whedon's contributions,[46][47] and were subject to a mixed reception.[48][49][50][51] Neil Daly, who oversaw the test screenings, said test audiences ranked Batman and Superman the lowest of the main cast.[52] Warner reportedly stated it has no plans of releasing an alternate cut of Justice League.[53]
Other figures are less optimistic that the "Snyder Cut" will ever be released. Citing industry sources, writer Mario F. Robles said Warner doesn't trust Snyder's vision and aren't willing to spend the millions of dollars it would cost to finish his cut.[78] Brooks Barnes, Hollywood reporter for The New York Times theorizes that the "Snyder Cut" will never be released due to a mix of the high cost to finish the project and corporate ego. He elaborated: "The ego kind of comes in where, like, no studio will ever put itself in a position of looking like they made the wrong decision. Let's just say it was finished, they put it out, everyone loves it, 'Oh my God, this should have been the movie.' That puts jobs at risk at the high level. Right? And so right there, it's not happening."[2] Yohana Desta of Vanity Fair described the act of fans demanding an alternative cut as an example of toxic fandom, placing it in the same vein as the 2017 harassment of Star Wars: The Last Jedi actress Kelly Marie Tran.[79] Writing for Forbes, Scott Mendelson suggested it would be more likely for audiences to see either an animated or comic-book adaptation of Snyder's script than a polished, full-length feature film being finished and released.[80]
Ahead of the 2019 San Diego Comic-Con, a fan launched a crowdfunding campaign with half of the funds going toward an advertising campaign including billboards and a flying banner ad promoting the "Snyder Cut", and the other half will be donated to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.[76][77]is not a plain statement of fact, but a statement of praise—one that does not simply state what happened, but one that shows how "great" they are and showing overwhelming positivity and support for the movement? One that's practically begging readers to sign a petition and rally in the streets? Is that correct? If so, we may have very different definitions of "neutral".
Principle photography was shot entirely using 35 mm film[24] and wrapped in December 2016.[25] Months later, multiple cuts of Snyder's Justice League were shown to Warner executives, in addition to friends and family of Snyder.[26][25] A final run-time and picture lock were achieved, though the cuts had incomplete VFX shots, partial audio mixing and Junkie XL's soundtrack was mid-way through production.[27][28] During an event, Snyder said that he had multiple cuts that were essentially "done," only needing "a few CG tweaks" to complete, but that it was ultimately up to Warner to release it.[29][30] This mostly finished version of Justice League is what's often referred to as the "Snyder Cut".The existence of this rough cut has been confirmed by Snyder himself and Jay Oliva who worked on the film and others, and was widely reported on. Even the Vanity Fair article titled "Justice League Fans Still Desperately Hoping for Snyder Cut That Doesn’t Exist" (emphasis mine) states "Per the W.S.J., insiders who actually worked on the film said that the director did make a rough cut of the movie after principal photography was finished, but it was not one that was meant to be released" — that's it, right there, that's the rough "Snyder Cut" that sources claim doesn't exist and members of the movement want to see one day. Any source that claims it doesn't exist either does not understand the distinction that fans actually want to see that incomplete rough cut, or they're ignoring the sources that have demonstrated this version of the film actually exists. And I don't know a neutral way to represent both sides of that in a way that doesn't sound sarcastic or moronic: "The director says he made a rough cut and his storyboard artist who helped make the film confirms it exists, but people who are unrelated to the film disagree and say it doesn't exist."???? Either it exists or it doesn't, and the people who made it say it does, so...
With regard to "toxic", there are 2 instances where "Toxic" isn't in quotes. One intros, and one is paraphrase of someone's words. Generally, I wouldn't use that term period, unless it was directly quoted. It would fall into those peacock terms. Typically peacock terms are used as "puffery" if you will, but I would argue that the alternative side of that could still be considered peacock, because at its whole the idea is that the description doesn't stick to the facts or rely on a direct quote of someone's words. If you're sticking to the facts, then the only time "toxic" or any judgmental word for that matter is used would be when quoting someone else. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I see this page was up for deletion and the result was to keep. I agree with that decision and think the page should stay but do you think the name should be changed? (Which is technically moving the page but you know what I mean. I found the page through a Google search for "Snyder Cut" and was very glad to find the page, but at first I thought it was some mistake as "Versions Of Justice League" sounds like a page on alternate versions of the Justice League group not versions of the Justice League movie. I thought this might have been about the Evil Justice League from Dimension X, the golden age Justice Society, the dream Justice Alliance that a mutant kid made up etc. etc. Or different portrayals of the group in different media over the decades. From the title I really didn't think it would be about different versions of the movie. Don't get me wrong, I'm GLAD that I was wrong because I was looking for the information in this article, I just think it would be better suited with a different name. 82.18.205.199 ( talk) 02:25, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
"@Julian1Seguin8: Please open up a discussion at Talk:Versions of Justice League instead of my personal talk page so that other editors can join the conversation and this becomes less of a me vs you thing. When you open that discussion, please also provide more substantive evidence than "someone followed someone on Twitter, that PROVES I'm right!". Wikipedia uses official, published sources that very clearly and explicitly support claims added to articles. You're going to need a published source that says "Snyder is currently working with Warner to complete his film" outright if you want to make that claim on Wikipedia. You're going to need a published source that says "the 'Snyder Cut' is 100% complete and doesn't need any additional pickups, sound editing, or CGI" outright if you want to make that claim on Wikipedia. Short of that, you're just speculating, reading between the lines and promoting unsubstantiated internet gossip as truth, and this is not the platform for that kind of behavior. Also, your edits actually REMOVED a citation that used Snyder's Vero picture of film canisters, so if you wanted this to stay then please exercise caution when making edits to Wikipedia. See you over at Talk:Versions of Justice League! Fezmar9 (talk) 12:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)"
@Fezmar9: I am not using Twitter as confirmation, just as a sign. It does not prove I am right, nor did I ever say it did. I would appreciate it if you refrained from manipulating my words. I never said outright that Snyder was working with Warner yet, but there is evidence that the photo came from the headquarters. "Short of that, you're just speculating, reading between the lines and promoting unsubstantiated internet gossip as truth, and this is not the platform for that kind of behavior." I am doing nothing that you haven't been doing. Taking a post that is over a year old and using it as confirmation of something currently does not work. It does not matter if a new statement has yet to be released because the last statement is no longer current. I am not reading between any lines when I saw the film was finished filming and that picture lock and been completed. That already outright contradicts Kevin Smith's statement. Sure he could have meant that the rough-cut was not meant for mass consumption, but he has failed to prove any of this. He has no listed sources and no one has come forth, not even anonymously to back him up. Remind me again, why we take his word over Jason's?
-- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 18:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8
Just saying.
-- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 03:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8}
-- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 03:03, 12 December 2019 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8
This should be adequate proof to add back Snyder's quote that "all the hard creative choices are done." https://twitter.com/Theseus_2good4U/status/1209619275259858944 -- Julian1Seguin8 —Preceding undated comment added 23:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
You and your miserable hypocrisy. You speculate as much as I do, and have the nerve to act like you don't. Here is a link: https://theplaylist.net/zack-snyder-justice-league-images-20191226/ You claiming that the Snyder Cut has a "notorious rep" for photoshopping is meaningless because it does not prove anything. Also, this https://www.facebook.com/messenger_photo?fbid=967191947010471. And even with that in mind, you are also conveniently leaving out the part that is still there. "Not sure what difference it makes as to the finished level of the film" That could easily be interpreted to mean that Snyder could release the Cut as is, but that he's still tinkering around with it, like every other director and you LEFT THAT OUT. -- Julian1Seguin8 ( talk) 04:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)Julian1Seguin8
@ Mtj456:, you have added the following sentence to the article without a supporting source: "Superman also wore the black suit the entirety of the film and would continue wearing it for the next 2. He would revert to the classic suit at the conclusion of his arc." This is heavily disputed. It may have been Snyder's intention to go this direction, but WB was not supportive of the black suit and it's not 100% clear if it would have appeared in Snyder's theatrical cut at all and for what amount would it have appeared if it did. While members of the cast and crew have discussed a black suit making an appearance, it appears Cavill filmed all of his scenes wearing his classic blue suit and Snyder was hoping to convince WB to color correct it to black in post-production. Obviously those conversations never took place because Snyder's role was cut short, and it's not clear how those conversations would have gone had they actually happened. From ScreenRant's coverage of the black suit debate:
Snyder says his cut of the movie will have Superman wearing the black suit, but we know from set photos and deleted scenes that the movie was shot with Cavill always wearing a blue suit. Snyder even shot the classic Christopher Reeve style shirt rip ending scene with the blue suit. Snyder agreed to film the movie in the blue suit hoping to convince WB to convert to the black suit during post-production where the suit could easily be color corrected to the black and silver version as seen in the Death and Return of Superman arc in the comics. While changing the suit to black was a possibility, looking at the sheer amount of pushback to Snyder's ideas in Justice League, it's hard to see him ultimately winning that battle, at least not as much as he wanted. Even if Superman wore the black suit, it likely wouldn't be the entirety of the movie as he originally planned. [10] [11]
Please do not add this back to the page without further discussion. Fezmar9 ( talk) 16:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
It seems a bit odd that there is an article for all the versions of this film when there are literally only two versions of the film, one of them already has an entire article dedicated to it, and a big section of this page is actually about two other films. Wouldn't it make more sense to have one article about the film in general / the theatrical release, include details about the planned sequels at the end of that article like we normally would, and then let this article just be about the Snyder Cut. I can understand why some may have been hesitant to do that in the past, but now that the Snyder Cut is actually going to be released and there is clearly enough coverage of it out there I think we should take this opportunity to reorganize these articles so they make more sense. Thoughts? - adamstom97 ( talk) 22:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article just be called "Production of Justice League", without the "(film)" at the end, since it's not being differentiated with another article of the same name? WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 22:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Where should Ray Fisher's allegations and the investigation go? 22:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pineapple4321 ( talk • contribs)
Why is the See also section linking to half of Wikipedia? -- JascaDucato ( talk | contributions) 16:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)