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The result of the proposal was move per discussion; Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks, MOS:ALLCAPS.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 13:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
VERIDIA → Veridia – WP:MOSTM. I get that this band REALLY WANTS TO BE IN CAPS, fine, but not in the title when Billboard, ESPN and all other independent WP:RS don't stylize it. In ictu oculi ( talk) 23:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Can we look into getting an updated picture of the band including new concert photos? If everyone approves I can work on getting pictures that conform to the rules of pictures being non-copyrighted. -- MJC8104 ( talk) 02:50, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Can we add a new section for officially released Music Videos? Not looking to upload Videos into the commons just add the video names, descriptions and sourced links to the videos. -- MJC8104 ( talk) 17:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you explain further why the Summer Sessions vol 1 page was removed? I understand it wasn't a paid release and didn't chart but it is still a body of work released by the band. Is it due to sites not listing it under the band's discography? Thanks for your response. -- MJC8104 ( talk) 01:16, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Taking a look at the edit history seems that some people think VERIDIA is not a "Christian rock" band and rather is "alternative". I've heard this myself. Has anyone actually considered conducting a tiny interview with them, even if you just ask them one question: "Do you fit the Christian Rock label?" Wouldn't one of them saying that suffice for an encyclopedic article? "Adding Source back in and removing the term Christian. Regardless of what the band wants this is the truth no matter what other labels are put on them." That's a little odd that an encyclopedia would disregard primary sources. They literally say it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmarffy ( talk • contribs) 03:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
-- Zeke Marffy ( talk) 03:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The band is not just stylized in all caps; it's their name. Take a look at any service, including iTunes. Does this not suffice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmarffy ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I thought I'd make a new thread since the other was getting long. Can I provide some references, including example bands that I feel make the argument for VERIDIA being classified as Alternative only and not Christian?
Their songs combine rock, alternative-pop, and electronic elements, each telling a unique story [1]
alt-rock band Veridia is set to release their first full-length album [2]
The band plays music that generally classifies as alternative because it features rock, dark pop, urban tunes as well as Middle Eastern influences [3]
Veridia is a band that was founded in 2014 and is an alternative rock pop band. [4]
Nashville-based pop/rock/electronic band VERIDIA......LADYGUNN raved Veridia…transcends category [5]
As they kicked off their month-long tour with Evanesence this past weekend from Dallas, alt-rock band Veridia [6]
Alt-Rock band VERIDIA has just released a new music video for their No. 1 radio single [7]
I also bring up the following bands for reference: Chevelle, Evanescence and Icon for Hire.
The members of Chevelle are Christian, but they don't think of their band as a "Christian band." Drummer Sam Loeffler believes part of the reason why people have labeled them as such is because their first album appeared in some Christian bookstores. Their first record deal was with a company that was backed by Word, a Christian label that represented John Tesh and Amy Grant. Loeffler said seeing Chevelle's first album Point #1 in Christian bookstores was "an accidental thing." [8]
Chevelle was released under Christian label but was never classified as Christian band. "signed on to Steve Taylor's Squint Entertainment,[3] a contemporary Christian music label". They are not classified as Christian. [9]
Evanescence was originally promoted in Christian stores. Later, the band made it clear they did not want to be considered part of the Christian rock genre.[135] They are not classified as Christian. [10]
Icon for Hire is not listed as Christian even though they released 2 albums on Christian label Tooth and Nail. [11]
-- MJC8104 ( talk) 00:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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Should Veridia be listed as a Christian rock band or alternative rock band? Sources and ideas for each provided. Zeke Marffy ( talk) 23:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
First, the RfC is not over and so changing the article is premature. Second, capitalization in this edit are wrong. That is discussed above! Third, two new editors who are essentially WP:SPAs wanting to remove Christian from the list of genres is no reason to remove it. Two experienced editors have sources that it belongs. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:15, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Have they denied being Christian rock? I see "we've actually never classified our music as 'Christian rock'" but that's not a denial that the classification by others is accurate. - Pine457 ( talk) 05:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
In fairness to everyone can we come to a compromise on the Genre for the band Veridia? The compromise would be to move Veridia's genre fully to 'Alternative rock' while adding a paragraph or two detailing their history of Christian radio, chart success, label activity, tours/concerts, and award nominations. We could even add in the statement "Although the band members are Christians, they have never considered Veridia to be a Christian act."
I would like to use the Galactic Cowboys Wikipedia page for reference, “Although the band members are Christians, they did not consider Galactic Cowboys to be a Christian band.”
/info/en/?search=Galactic_Cowboys
Another reference is the Switchfoot Wikipedia Page, “The band has always philosophically disagreed with this label; "We're Christian by faith, not genre,"
/info/en/?search=Switchfoot
If the previous statements, directly from the band, are able to be used in this way, by the editors of their Wiki pages, then statements like that should be able to be used by all bands.
Everything stated above has been applied to artists/bands like Galactic Cowboys, Icon for Hire, Evanescence, X-Sinner, Starflyer59, Project 86, Flyleaf, Lacey Sturm, Anberlin, Paramore, Brad Paisley, Carrie Underwood, Scott Stapp, Switchfoot, etc. Some of the previously stated artists have also charted on Christian charts, have massive Christian radio airplay and won Dove awards. MJC8104 ( talk) 03:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was move per discussion; Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks, MOS:ALLCAPS.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 13:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
VERIDIA → Veridia – WP:MOSTM. I get that this band REALLY WANTS TO BE IN CAPS, fine, but not in the title when Billboard, ESPN and all other independent WP:RS don't stylize it. In ictu oculi ( talk) 23:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Can we look into getting an updated picture of the band including new concert photos? If everyone approves I can work on getting pictures that conform to the rules of pictures being non-copyrighted. -- MJC8104 ( talk) 02:50, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Can we add a new section for officially released Music Videos? Not looking to upload Videos into the commons just add the video names, descriptions and sourced links to the videos. -- MJC8104 ( talk) 17:13, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you explain further why the Summer Sessions vol 1 page was removed? I understand it wasn't a paid release and didn't chart but it is still a body of work released by the band. Is it due to sites not listing it under the band's discography? Thanks for your response. -- MJC8104 ( talk) 01:16, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Taking a look at the edit history seems that some people think VERIDIA is not a "Christian rock" band and rather is "alternative". I've heard this myself. Has anyone actually considered conducting a tiny interview with them, even if you just ask them one question: "Do you fit the Christian Rock label?" Wouldn't one of them saying that suffice for an encyclopedic article? "Adding Source back in and removing the term Christian. Regardless of what the band wants this is the truth no matter what other labels are put on them." That's a little odd that an encyclopedia would disregard primary sources. They literally say it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmarffy ( talk • contribs) 03:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
-- Zeke Marffy ( talk) 03:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The band is not just stylized in all caps; it's their name. Take a look at any service, including iTunes. Does this not suffice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmarffy ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I thought I'd make a new thread since the other was getting long. Can I provide some references, including example bands that I feel make the argument for VERIDIA being classified as Alternative only and not Christian?
Their songs combine rock, alternative-pop, and electronic elements, each telling a unique story [1]
alt-rock band Veridia is set to release their first full-length album [2]
The band plays music that generally classifies as alternative because it features rock, dark pop, urban tunes as well as Middle Eastern influences [3]
Veridia is a band that was founded in 2014 and is an alternative rock pop band. [4]
Nashville-based pop/rock/electronic band VERIDIA......LADYGUNN raved Veridia…transcends category [5]
As they kicked off their month-long tour with Evanesence this past weekend from Dallas, alt-rock band Veridia [6]
Alt-Rock band VERIDIA has just released a new music video for their No. 1 radio single [7]
I also bring up the following bands for reference: Chevelle, Evanescence and Icon for Hire.
The members of Chevelle are Christian, but they don't think of their band as a "Christian band." Drummer Sam Loeffler believes part of the reason why people have labeled them as such is because their first album appeared in some Christian bookstores. Their first record deal was with a company that was backed by Word, a Christian label that represented John Tesh and Amy Grant. Loeffler said seeing Chevelle's first album Point #1 in Christian bookstores was "an accidental thing." [8]
Chevelle was released under Christian label but was never classified as Christian band. "signed on to Steve Taylor's Squint Entertainment,[3] a contemporary Christian music label". They are not classified as Christian. [9]
Evanescence was originally promoted in Christian stores. Later, the band made it clear they did not want to be considered part of the Christian rock genre.[135] They are not classified as Christian. [10]
Icon for Hire is not listed as Christian even though they released 2 albums on Christian label Tooth and Nail. [11]
-- MJC8104 ( talk) 00:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should Veridia be listed as a Christian rock band or alternative rock band? Sources and ideas for each provided. Zeke Marffy ( talk) 23:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
First, the RfC is not over and so changing the article is premature. Second, capitalization in this edit are wrong. That is discussed above! Third, two new editors who are essentially WP:SPAs wanting to remove Christian from the list of genres is no reason to remove it. Two experienced editors have sources that it belongs. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:15, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Have they denied being Christian rock? I see "we've actually never classified our music as 'Christian rock'" but that's not a denial that the classification by others is accurate. - Pine457 ( talk) 05:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
In fairness to everyone can we come to a compromise on the Genre for the band Veridia? The compromise would be to move Veridia's genre fully to 'Alternative rock' while adding a paragraph or two detailing their history of Christian radio, chart success, label activity, tours/concerts, and award nominations. We could even add in the statement "Although the band members are Christians, they have never considered Veridia to be a Christian act."
I would like to use the Galactic Cowboys Wikipedia page for reference, “Although the band members are Christians, they did not consider Galactic Cowboys to be a Christian band.”
/info/en/?search=Galactic_Cowboys
Another reference is the Switchfoot Wikipedia Page, “The band has always philosophically disagreed with this label; "We're Christian by faith, not genre,"
/info/en/?search=Switchfoot
If the previous statements, directly from the band, are able to be used in this way, by the editors of their Wiki pages, then statements like that should be able to be used by all bands.
Everything stated above has been applied to artists/bands like Galactic Cowboys, Icon for Hire, Evanescence, X-Sinner, Starflyer59, Project 86, Flyleaf, Lacey Sturm, Anberlin, Paramore, Brad Paisley, Carrie Underwood, Scott Stapp, Switchfoot, etc. Some of the previously stated artists have also charted on Christian charts, have massive Christian radio airplay and won Dove awards. MJC8104 ( talk) 03:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)