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I thought that a box cutter is just like a pair of scissors: An office tool that can be purchased by anyone who has enough age to go to a store alone and be considered "normal". Around here, in Chile, at least, it isn't considered "special". The view presented in this article (of the box cutter as a weapon) reflects more or less all the rest of the world? Or just USA and some other countries affected by terrorism? Of course it is used for crime sometimes, but so could be a scissor or a kitchen knife, yet I guess any 14-year old could purchase a scissor, no? -- user:guruclef
I don't have this from a reliable source, more the notion on the street. Hence I'll put it here, and if someone can find research or statistics on the matter, that'd be great. Among teenagers on the clubbing scene in the UK, carrying a 'Segmented type' Stanley knife as a weapon has a specific purpose. You can extend it to four or five notches, stab someone a couple of times, and leave them for dead. BUT, people on the club scence are carrying knives because they think it's a good way to defend themself. They don't want to stab someone to death. A Stanley knife, on one 'notch', will cause pretty nasty damage, but nothing permanent.
In retrospect, this entry (or at least the phrasing) will seem a bit topical, I think. -- Pinkunicorn
Yes, I think you're right. I created this because someone wikied the word on the main terrorist attack page, and I thought that might mean that some people might not know what a box cutter knife is. I used to work in a grocery store, so I knew. I suppose that we could remove the topical comment. -- Jimbo Wales
In fact, I didn't know. I changed it to be explicitly topicalm, which seemed more honest to me - this entry would never have existed without the attacks. -- Fuzzrock
(Also, these remarks should be removed when someone decides what to do. :-))
I had no idea how this type of knife was created, so it was a useful entry, it was the bit about "carry-on luggage" that felt a bit too specialized. -- Pinkunicorn
About self defending, if the guy who approaches you is way bigger and tougher than you are, he might seize the knife and stab you to death instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.119.111 ( talk) 14:31, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I clicked this because I did not know what a 'Box-cutter'-knife is; usefull entry
Sounds like what we in Australia would call a 'Stanley Knife', although I suspect 'Stanley' is probably a tradename. -- Peter Jones
Not that it really matters but i have a metal Stanley knife with a mult-segment snap-off blade. Made in England. Letstalk 14:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
There are so many types of box cutter knifes in the market. According to the news, the hijacker use one with plastic handle, and the razor blade probably were put on after they have boarded.
This is more hassle than needed at the time, non-serrated knives up to four inches long were allowed. I used to personally carry a Gerber multi-tool with a three-inch blade on flights. One time while in a rush I forgot to empty my pockets into my carry-on and triggered the metal detector. After I emptied my pockets into the dish, a security person picked up the tool and opened the blade halfway to check it. She then closed it, handed it to me and waved me on. ---Jagged
I moved the Attack-relevant discussion to September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Airport security, though I think some of it needs to go in September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Hijackers. -- The Cunctator
IMHO *very* good article on this by Michael Moore at
http://www.michaelmoore.com/2001_0919.html
Does anybody think it would be appropriate to link to this on the page Box-cutter knife? Comments appreciated.
Is a box cutter the same thing as a utility knife? Does anybody have a link to an actual photo of a box cutter? I'm still trying to be sure I know what a box cutter really is. chouwalker
There's an image of one here. -- Koyaanis Qatsi
Box cutter = Stanley knife = utility knife = Exacto knife. Any other names people use? -- Stephen Gilbert
Actually, X-Acto is a registered trademark of the Hunt Corporation and, while the trademark actually covers a range of products, usually refers to a small knife about the size of a pen, with a short (approximately 1"), pointed blade used for arts and crafts work. It is a samller device than a box cutter knife, designed for lighter-weight and higher-precision work. See this page for more on X-Acto brand products.
No doubt, but in Fredericton, New Brunswick many people use the term "exacto knife" to refer to utility knives. I don't know how common it is anywhere else; I had never heard it before I moved here. -- Stephen Gilbert
People use it in North Florida. -- Koyaanis Qatsi
Another company that makes them is Olfa (Japanese company, I think). They are available at most hardware and department stores in Canada. They have two common sizes: a thin one, black enamel metal handle, about the size of a flat pen. I used to use them in the newspaper business for cutting up copy for pasting onto big proof sheets. Handy, since they were relatively safe to use and the blade can be retracted quickly. The other model is larger, often in a yellow plastic handle and fills a closed fist. These are commonly used as box cutters and for cutting carpet, tiles and other materials. Both knives have replaceable blades that snap off. The larger one, with about 1.5 in. of blade exposed would be an intimidating weapon. People inherently fear razor sharp knives like these. Amazing what the New York terrorist attackers did with about $50 in knives. One thing it did, though, is diminish George Bush's interest in the new flavor of Star Wars anti-missile program. Who gives a damn about the North Koreans now? Looks like George Bush needs an anti-box cutter program instead :-) -- Coasting
External link to Olfa's site: http://www.olfacutters.thomasregister.com/olc/olfacutters/
Their heavy duty cutters are here: http://www.olfacutters.thomasregister.com/olc/olfacutters/hd.htm
Not that it matters, but on the West Coast (of the US) I grew up using X-Acto knives for arts and crafts -- little and held like a pen, blade screws in, and utility knives or box cutters for breaking down boxes. I only started calling the things Stanley knives after my Brit husband refused to refer to them as anything else! JHK
In Israel these knives are called Japanese knives. I don't know why; presumably the first knives where imported to Israel from Japan.
September 11 notwithstanding, AFAIK box-cutter knife isn't a commonly used term. In Britain the term box-cutter knife was unknown before Sept 11 and they are commonly called Stanley knives (after one of the most common manufacturers) and if not then craft knives. I don't know whether craft knife or utility knife is more common elsewhere, but I am assuming that utility knife is more common in the USA given that it is mentioned on the page. Jooler 13:11, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The move has happened, but in eliminating the term box cutter from the text we violate the principle of least astonishment. So I've put it back as an alternative name.
If this isn't what is meant by a box cutter, then we should change the redirect. Andrewa 03:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've used a box cutter, long ago when I was a night stocker at Safeway. This was a special device that exposed a razor blade at a fixed length and had a guard to prevent the blade from cutting too deeply. It was very different from a utility knife as it was specifically designed for cutting boxes without damaging the contents. Peter (Cactus Pete) ( talk) 20:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Anybody think we should put in a paragraph how it is commonly used (and very succesfully might I add) for self injuring? I personally use it all the time and I know many others who love using it too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.65 ( talk) 00:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
Ok, I added a little bit of info on it...any of yall can go ahead edit it or whatever.
In 1956 Mr.Y.Okada, the founder of OLFA CORPORATION, invented the world's first SNAP-OFF BLADE CUTTER. The inspiration for this incredible idea came from breaking off segments of chocolate bars and analyzing the snap edges of broken glass. This unique invention has since become a worldwide best seller and is commonly referred to as an OLFA CUTTER. read More — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.117.164 ( talk) 21:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
After reading this part:
"In Israel and Switzerland, these knives are known as Japanese knives."
I just remembered that the boxcutter was invented by a Japanese person who was trying to figure out a way to keep using blades without making them dull and without having to import more expensive quality knives overseas. Didn't want to add that in because for the life of me I can't remember who invented it or where I read that from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.139.192 ( talk) 00:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Given that Stanley knife is the name used in the UK and Ireland, and on the other side of the planet in Australia and New Zealand, it shoudl be mentioned in the first sentence of the lead "A utility knife or Stanley knife ... " as at the moment the only way a native of those countries knows what the article is about is by the picture. -- PBS ( talk) 09:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
"They are also commonly used as jean distressers." (cut after copyediting). This surely does not belong in the lead, if in the article at all. Huw Powell ( talk) 21:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
( Diff): This is not a carpet cutter. This is a carpet knife. __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 20:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I hardly know where to begin. Looking at this page, any knife ever invented is a utility knife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louiorio ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Agreed re deadline. And also that your version of the heading tree is similar in content as mine, but in different words. I think you're right that it's an improvement. Most people will find it more absorbable through the emic lens. As for "discrete", that was my (probably failed) attempt to label the blades that come as already-separate pieces, as opposed to the snap-off style, where the blades can be viewed as coming "all attached to one another", that is, nondiscrete. I think you are right that it's not clear enough unless one is the writer saying "well, *I* know what I mean." I like your heading scheme better. Will change to that tomorrow, unless you beat me to it. Agreed re continued pondering over time. — ¾-10 04:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The Hebrew/Israeli term for "Japanese knife" refers specifically to a retractable blade knife, and not just to any utility knife. I suppose it's also named after Olfa but I have no reliable source for that. Tzafrir ( talk) 11:14, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm in Australia.
I don't think all of these kinds of knives belong under any specific heading. When Paul Hogan in 'Crocidile Dundee' responded to the mugger, he said 'That's not a knife, This is a knife', brandishing a large fixed-blade knife. The first knife in the page is simply a knife, such as a bushman might have.
Stanley knives only refer to the ones with the screw-up case and perhaps retractable blades (i have some that don't retract). The american 'utility knife' was glossed as 'stanley knife' here, but this does not lend weight to the notion that they used this style of knife in the attack, but rather what source was consulted.
The xacto knife is a scalpel, perhaps 'blade'. However, if you have an operation, you 'go under the knife'.
The ones with snap-off blades are 'cutters' rather than knives, since it is the point, not the blade, used to cut.
58.174.35.139 ( talk) 08:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Footnotes 5 and 6 srem now to be dead links (at least to a mobile browser). Rags ( talk) 08:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
The age restriction was changed by Section 43(2) of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006, which amended Section 141A(1) of The Criminal Justice Act 1988, and was brought into force 8th November 2006
Here's a reference from the UK government website https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/38/section/43
I've never edited before so I thought it best to leave it to someone who knows what they're doing 86.29.114.192 ( talk) 19:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Re recent anon edit, much like the word hoover is more common then vacuum cleaner stanley knife is the common name for a utility knife in the UK and many of it's ex colonies [1] [2] Unibond ( talk) 15:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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I thought that a box cutter is just like a pair of scissors: An office tool that can be purchased by anyone who has enough age to go to a store alone and be considered "normal". Around here, in Chile, at least, it isn't considered "special". The view presented in this article (of the box cutter as a weapon) reflects more or less all the rest of the world? Or just USA and some other countries affected by terrorism? Of course it is used for crime sometimes, but so could be a scissor or a kitchen knife, yet I guess any 14-year old could purchase a scissor, no? -- user:guruclef
I don't have this from a reliable source, more the notion on the street. Hence I'll put it here, and if someone can find research or statistics on the matter, that'd be great. Among teenagers on the clubbing scene in the UK, carrying a 'Segmented type' Stanley knife as a weapon has a specific purpose. You can extend it to four or five notches, stab someone a couple of times, and leave them for dead. BUT, people on the club scence are carrying knives because they think it's a good way to defend themself. They don't want to stab someone to death. A Stanley knife, on one 'notch', will cause pretty nasty damage, but nothing permanent.
In retrospect, this entry (or at least the phrasing) will seem a bit topical, I think. -- Pinkunicorn
Yes, I think you're right. I created this because someone wikied the word on the main terrorist attack page, and I thought that might mean that some people might not know what a box cutter knife is. I used to work in a grocery store, so I knew. I suppose that we could remove the topical comment. -- Jimbo Wales
In fact, I didn't know. I changed it to be explicitly topicalm, which seemed more honest to me - this entry would never have existed without the attacks. -- Fuzzrock
(Also, these remarks should be removed when someone decides what to do. :-))
I had no idea how this type of knife was created, so it was a useful entry, it was the bit about "carry-on luggage" that felt a bit too specialized. -- Pinkunicorn
About self defending, if the guy who approaches you is way bigger and tougher than you are, he might seize the knife and stab you to death instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.119.111 ( talk) 14:31, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I clicked this because I did not know what a 'Box-cutter'-knife is; usefull entry
Sounds like what we in Australia would call a 'Stanley Knife', although I suspect 'Stanley' is probably a tradename. -- Peter Jones
Not that it really matters but i have a metal Stanley knife with a mult-segment snap-off blade. Made in England. Letstalk 14:51, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
There are so many types of box cutter knifes in the market. According to the news, the hijacker use one with plastic handle, and the razor blade probably were put on after they have boarded.
This is more hassle than needed at the time, non-serrated knives up to four inches long were allowed. I used to personally carry a Gerber multi-tool with a three-inch blade on flights. One time while in a rush I forgot to empty my pockets into my carry-on and triggered the metal detector. After I emptied my pockets into the dish, a security person picked up the tool and opened the blade halfway to check it. She then closed it, handed it to me and waved me on. ---Jagged
I moved the Attack-relevant discussion to September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Airport security, though I think some of it needs to go in September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Hijackers. -- The Cunctator
IMHO *very* good article on this by Michael Moore at
http://www.michaelmoore.com/2001_0919.html
Does anybody think it would be appropriate to link to this on the page Box-cutter knife? Comments appreciated.
Is a box cutter the same thing as a utility knife? Does anybody have a link to an actual photo of a box cutter? I'm still trying to be sure I know what a box cutter really is. chouwalker
There's an image of one here. -- Koyaanis Qatsi
Box cutter = Stanley knife = utility knife = Exacto knife. Any other names people use? -- Stephen Gilbert
Actually, X-Acto is a registered trademark of the Hunt Corporation and, while the trademark actually covers a range of products, usually refers to a small knife about the size of a pen, with a short (approximately 1"), pointed blade used for arts and crafts work. It is a samller device than a box cutter knife, designed for lighter-weight and higher-precision work. See this page for more on X-Acto brand products.
No doubt, but in Fredericton, New Brunswick many people use the term "exacto knife" to refer to utility knives. I don't know how common it is anywhere else; I had never heard it before I moved here. -- Stephen Gilbert
People use it in North Florida. -- Koyaanis Qatsi
Another company that makes them is Olfa (Japanese company, I think). They are available at most hardware and department stores in Canada. They have two common sizes: a thin one, black enamel metal handle, about the size of a flat pen. I used to use them in the newspaper business for cutting up copy for pasting onto big proof sheets. Handy, since they were relatively safe to use and the blade can be retracted quickly. The other model is larger, often in a yellow plastic handle and fills a closed fist. These are commonly used as box cutters and for cutting carpet, tiles and other materials. Both knives have replaceable blades that snap off. The larger one, with about 1.5 in. of blade exposed would be an intimidating weapon. People inherently fear razor sharp knives like these. Amazing what the New York terrorist attackers did with about $50 in knives. One thing it did, though, is diminish George Bush's interest in the new flavor of Star Wars anti-missile program. Who gives a damn about the North Koreans now? Looks like George Bush needs an anti-box cutter program instead :-) -- Coasting
External link to Olfa's site: http://www.olfacutters.thomasregister.com/olc/olfacutters/
Their heavy duty cutters are here: http://www.olfacutters.thomasregister.com/olc/olfacutters/hd.htm
Not that it matters, but on the West Coast (of the US) I grew up using X-Acto knives for arts and crafts -- little and held like a pen, blade screws in, and utility knives or box cutters for breaking down boxes. I only started calling the things Stanley knives after my Brit husband refused to refer to them as anything else! JHK
In Israel these knives are called Japanese knives. I don't know why; presumably the first knives where imported to Israel from Japan.
September 11 notwithstanding, AFAIK box-cutter knife isn't a commonly used term. In Britain the term box-cutter knife was unknown before Sept 11 and they are commonly called Stanley knives (after one of the most common manufacturers) and if not then craft knives. I don't know whether craft knife or utility knife is more common elsewhere, but I am assuming that utility knife is more common in the USA given that it is mentioned on the page. Jooler 13:11, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The move has happened, but in eliminating the term box cutter from the text we violate the principle of least astonishment. So I've put it back as an alternative name.
If this isn't what is meant by a box cutter, then we should change the redirect. Andrewa 03:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've used a box cutter, long ago when I was a night stocker at Safeway. This was a special device that exposed a razor blade at a fixed length and had a guard to prevent the blade from cutting too deeply. It was very different from a utility knife as it was specifically designed for cutting boxes without damaging the contents. Peter (Cactus Pete) ( talk) 20:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Anybody think we should put in a paragraph how it is commonly used (and very succesfully might I add) for self injuring? I personally use it all the time and I know many others who love using it too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.65 ( talk) 00:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
Ok, I added a little bit of info on it...any of yall can go ahead edit it or whatever.
In 1956 Mr.Y.Okada, the founder of OLFA CORPORATION, invented the world's first SNAP-OFF BLADE CUTTER. The inspiration for this incredible idea came from breaking off segments of chocolate bars and analyzing the snap edges of broken glass. This unique invention has since become a worldwide best seller and is commonly referred to as an OLFA CUTTER. read More — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.117.164 ( talk) 21:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
After reading this part:
"In Israel and Switzerland, these knives are known as Japanese knives."
I just remembered that the boxcutter was invented by a Japanese person who was trying to figure out a way to keep using blades without making them dull and without having to import more expensive quality knives overseas. Didn't want to add that in because for the life of me I can't remember who invented it or where I read that from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.139.192 ( talk) 00:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Given that Stanley knife is the name used in the UK and Ireland, and on the other side of the planet in Australia and New Zealand, it shoudl be mentioned in the first sentence of the lead "A utility knife or Stanley knife ... " as at the moment the only way a native of those countries knows what the article is about is by the picture. -- PBS ( talk) 09:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
"They are also commonly used as jean distressers." (cut after copyediting). This surely does not belong in the lead, if in the article at all. Huw Powell ( talk) 21:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
( Diff): This is not a carpet cutter. This is a carpet knife. __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 20:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I hardly know where to begin. Looking at this page, any knife ever invented is a utility knife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louiorio ( talk • contribs) 20:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Agreed re deadline. And also that your version of the heading tree is similar in content as mine, but in different words. I think you're right that it's an improvement. Most people will find it more absorbable through the emic lens. As for "discrete", that was my (probably failed) attempt to label the blades that come as already-separate pieces, as opposed to the snap-off style, where the blades can be viewed as coming "all attached to one another", that is, nondiscrete. I think you are right that it's not clear enough unless one is the writer saying "well, *I* know what I mean." I like your heading scheme better. Will change to that tomorrow, unless you beat me to it. Agreed re continued pondering over time. — ¾-10 04:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
The Hebrew/Israeli term for "Japanese knife" refers specifically to a retractable blade knife, and not just to any utility knife. I suppose it's also named after Olfa but I have no reliable source for that. Tzafrir ( talk) 11:14, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm in Australia.
I don't think all of these kinds of knives belong under any specific heading. When Paul Hogan in 'Crocidile Dundee' responded to the mugger, he said 'That's not a knife, This is a knife', brandishing a large fixed-blade knife. The first knife in the page is simply a knife, such as a bushman might have.
Stanley knives only refer to the ones with the screw-up case and perhaps retractable blades (i have some that don't retract). The american 'utility knife' was glossed as 'stanley knife' here, but this does not lend weight to the notion that they used this style of knife in the attack, but rather what source was consulted.
The xacto knife is a scalpel, perhaps 'blade'. However, if you have an operation, you 'go under the knife'.
The ones with snap-off blades are 'cutters' rather than knives, since it is the point, not the blade, used to cut.
58.174.35.139 ( talk) 08:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Footnotes 5 and 6 srem now to be dead links (at least to a mobile browser). Rags ( talk) 08:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
The age restriction was changed by Section 43(2) of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006, which amended Section 141A(1) of The Criminal Justice Act 1988, and was brought into force 8th November 2006
Here's a reference from the UK government website https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/38/section/43
I've never edited before so I thought it best to leave it to someone who knows what they're doing 86.29.114.192 ( talk) 19:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Re recent anon edit, much like the word hoover is more common then vacuum cleaner stanley knife is the common name for a utility knife in the UK and many of it's ex colonies [1] [2] Unibond ( talk) 15:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)