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The information currently in the information box under "result" should be modified. I have changed it before, and it has recently been changed back. I am more than willing to come to a compromise, but let me state my objections.
The current tone of the information suggests a total US victory, and this seems debatable. While in the end the Mormons capitulated to American demands, in fact Buchanan was all but begging the Saints to take his deal. He was scared to death of an open conflict, and while the rhetoric of the pardon was very harsh, Buchanan's offer was rather conciliatory. He was also under incredible pressure from Congress to make a deal.
Indeed, the term "deposed" suggests that the army marched into Salt Lake City and threw Young from the Governor's chair. In fact, Young seemed quite willing to step down as governor, although he would have been perfectly happy to remain in that position. What he truly feared was the army. That being said, I propose that in the results column, Young was "replaced" as governor, that the army was allowed into Utah, and that the Saints were granted a global pardon. While indeed conditions existed, Buchanan's negotiators had also made significant offers to the Saints. I look forward to further discussion of this topic. Panbobor ( talk) 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Brigham, like in many cases, spoke with fiery rhetoric, but when it actually came down to it, he was ready to take a more moderate course. In explaining these comments in 1855, he said,
Wilford Woodruff records on July 24th, 1847 that Young proclaimed,
On several other occassions, Young expressed his willingness to allow the new Governor into Salt Lake City. He understood that a new governor would mean no diminution of his practical authority, as Cumming later found out. Young stated in 1855,
Young was far more concerned about a federal army in Utah than one more appointee that he believed he could circumvent. He would no doubt have stepped down as governor even without an army at his door. However, I grant that the army certainly helped decide the matter. Panbobor ( talk) 14:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I made a { multiple issues} temmplate because this artical is mess. I will continue to add more resons why. The first example as started above was the infobox. Also another problem was the belligerents , I attempted to fix it in this edit. LuxembourgLover ( talk) 14:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
A maintenance template was added to this article including
this edit,
this edit, and
this edit. In my opinion, this template is unneeded & is in error. The infobox issues are outdated & the article itself has C B quality ratings according to the Military history, US/Old West-Utah, and Latter Day Saint movement projects. Of course, the article isn't an "A" or of Featured Article quality but in my opinion it does not deserve a maintenance template/mark of shame either. I am, therefore, removing the template. If other editors disagree or want to discuss my edit, this is the place to do it.
Shearonink (
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23:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I was looking at a newspaper and gave it to the AI, I wrote the original information but I used AI for spelling and grammar check). If a person more familiar with the Utah War can verify that this is an accurate summary of the event and hasn't made any false assumptions, the template can be removed. Belbury ( talk) 08:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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The information currently in the information box under "result" should be modified. I have changed it before, and it has recently been changed back. I am more than willing to come to a compromise, but let me state my objections.
The current tone of the information suggests a total US victory, and this seems debatable. While in the end the Mormons capitulated to American demands, in fact Buchanan was all but begging the Saints to take his deal. He was scared to death of an open conflict, and while the rhetoric of the pardon was very harsh, Buchanan's offer was rather conciliatory. He was also under incredible pressure from Congress to make a deal.
Indeed, the term "deposed" suggests that the army marched into Salt Lake City and threw Young from the Governor's chair. In fact, Young seemed quite willing to step down as governor, although he would have been perfectly happy to remain in that position. What he truly feared was the army. That being said, I propose that in the results column, Young was "replaced" as governor, that the army was allowed into Utah, and that the Saints were granted a global pardon. While indeed conditions existed, Buchanan's negotiators had also made significant offers to the Saints. I look forward to further discussion of this topic. Panbobor ( talk) 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Brigham, like in many cases, spoke with fiery rhetoric, but when it actually came down to it, he was ready to take a more moderate course. In explaining these comments in 1855, he said,
Wilford Woodruff records on July 24th, 1847 that Young proclaimed,
On several other occassions, Young expressed his willingness to allow the new Governor into Salt Lake City. He understood that a new governor would mean no diminution of his practical authority, as Cumming later found out. Young stated in 1855,
Young was far more concerned about a federal army in Utah than one more appointee that he believed he could circumvent. He would no doubt have stepped down as governor even without an army at his door. However, I grant that the army certainly helped decide the matter. Panbobor ( talk) 14:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I made a { multiple issues} temmplate because this artical is mess. I will continue to add more resons why. The first example as started above was the infobox. Also another problem was the belligerents , I attempted to fix it in this edit. LuxembourgLover ( talk) 14:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
A maintenance template was added to this article including
this edit,
this edit, and
this edit. In my opinion, this template is unneeded & is in error. The infobox issues are outdated & the article itself has C B quality ratings according to the Military history, US/Old West-Utah, and Latter Day Saint movement projects. Of course, the article isn't an "A" or of Featured Article quality but in my opinion it does not deserve a maintenance template/mark of shame either. I am, therefore, removing the template. If other editors disagree or want to discuss my edit, this is the place to do it.
Shearonink (
talk)
23:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I was looking at a newspaper and gave it to the AI, I wrote the original information but I used AI for spelling and grammar check). If a person more familiar with the Utah War can verify that this is an accurate summary of the event and hasn't made any false assumptions, the template can be removed. Belbury ( talk) 08:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)