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Hello, I have a suggested addition.
It is on my sandbox User:Adjerbi/sandbox, please have a look and tell me if something needs to be modified or improved.
It's my first major edit and I'm not sure linking my sandbox is the right way to suggest an edit, please feel free to correct me. It's supposed to be a new addition under "uses", and it will include the existing "traditional medicine" subsection. Adjerbi ( talk) 13:20, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
This disputed edit by Herrmannr is based on early-stage primary research represented in the proposed sources. It also contains misinformation that nettles are a dietary source of antioxidants. There is no WP:MEDRS evidence that nettles have any antioxidant or nutritional value in vivo as a feed supply. None of the sources provided indicates use of dietary nettles as a common practice in poultry farming, so remains WP:UNDUE. Further, Herrmannr is edit-warring, WP:3RR, and is warned to first obtain consensus on the talk page before further reverting per WP:BRD and WP:CON to establish consensus among other editors. Zefr ( talk) 15:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
According to Flora of North America, there are several subspecies, two of which are indeed native to North America. http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=220014002 98.118.134.179 ( talk) 19:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
This article repeats the (extremely) oft-repeated claim that nettle cystoliths can cause urinary irritation (most also claim potential kidney stones.) I am unable to find any scientific sources of this information. The two sources cited are not scientific; the first (from which the claim is copied) makes the claim apparently without citation (though I don't have access to the full text.) Neither are scientific sources, AFAICT.
I'm not familiar with Wikipedia's policy on sources, so I have no opinion about the appropriateness of those works as citations for that claim, but I am troubled at the repetition of this information that appears (by my non-expert research) to be repeated without grounds.
So far, it seems that either the claim is false, and has just been copy/pasted on a million blog posts about nettles, or the claim is true and known only via oral tradition, in which case it doesn't seem appropriate that this article would present it in scientific terms.
Does anyone have thoughts on this, or any links to science that makes a link between cystoliths and kidney issues? Cystoliths are just calcium carbonate (i.e. chalk) and it seems unlikely that they could cause any problems.
Otherwise, I'd like to remove that caution from the article.
(Nettles seem likely to have some oxalic acid, though I can't find hard info on that either, so depending on how much of it is present, it might be appropriate to have a mention of that re: kidney stones.) Chconnor ( talk) 23:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Zefr, you reverted a change I made, but the sources are making a medical claim and not medical sources. If you have a medical source that says that cystoliths can cause kidney stones or urinary irritation, do add it. If you think my wording could be better, please alter it. But this needs to be clarified as it is a medical claim. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). MtBotany ( talk) 15:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
The mechanics can be compared to the mechanism of a plastic pipette used in biochemistry: the tip penetrates through the skin and as the more the trichome gets bent, the more its content is emptied under pressure. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvvmGmat55Q&ab_channel=TomRocksMaths
"It is commonly thought that the compound which causes the pain is formic acid (the same substance which stinging ants inject) but that is now known to be untrue regarding Stinging Nettle." More on the list of chemicals: http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/N/Nettle%28Stinging%29/Nettle%28Stinging%29.htm
These substances are bicyclic peptides and tend to be highly resistant to digestion within the stomach and can persist in the digestive tract. Although not present in Nettle, there also exists a plethora of other bicyclic polypeptides such as α-Amanitin, the highly toxic principle responsible for many fatalities after consuming Death Cap (Amanita phalloides) mushrooms. Cyclosporin A, a synthetic mono-cyclic polypeptide is used as an immunosuppressant drug in organ transplants. Echinomycin is another bicyclic polypeptide produced within various bacteria and is used medicinally as an antibiotic. There are hundreds more.
Thy for complementing, no more time, SvenAERTS ( talk) 00:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
Urtica dioica was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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Current status: Former good article nominee |
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Hello, I have a suggested addition.
It is on my sandbox User:Adjerbi/sandbox, please have a look and tell me if something needs to be modified or improved.
It's my first major edit and I'm not sure linking my sandbox is the right way to suggest an edit, please feel free to correct me. It's supposed to be a new addition under "uses", and it will include the existing "traditional medicine" subsection. Adjerbi ( talk) 13:20, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
This disputed edit by Herrmannr is based on early-stage primary research represented in the proposed sources. It also contains misinformation that nettles are a dietary source of antioxidants. There is no WP:MEDRS evidence that nettles have any antioxidant or nutritional value in vivo as a feed supply. None of the sources provided indicates use of dietary nettles as a common practice in poultry farming, so remains WP:UNDUE. Further, Herrmannr is edit-warring, WP:3RR, and is warned to first obtain consensus on the talk page before further reverting per WP:BRD and WP:CON to establish consensus among other editors. Zefr ( talk) 15:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
According to Flora of North America, there are several subspecies, two of which are indeed native to North America. http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=220014002 98.118.134.179 ( talk) 19:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
This article repeats the (extremely) oft-repeated claim that nettle cystoliths can cause urinary irritation (most also claim potential kidney stones.) I am unable to find any scientific sources of this information. The two sources cited are not scientific; the first (from which the claim is copied) makes the claim apparently without citation (though I don't have access to the full text.) Neither are scientific sources, AFAICT.
I'm not familiar with Wikipedia's policy on sources, so I have no opinion about the appropriateness of those works as citations for that claim, but I am troubled at the repetition of this information that appears (by my non-expert research) to be repeated without grounds.
So far, it seems that either the claim is false, and has just been copy/pasted on a million blog posts about nettles, or the claim is true and known only via oral tradition, in which case it doesn't seem appropriate that this article would present it in scientific terms.
Does anyone have thoughts on this, or any links to science that makes a link between cystoliths and kidney issues? Cystoliths are just calcium carbonate (i.e. chalk) and it seems unlikely that they could cause any problems.
Otherwise, I'd like to remove that caution from the article.
(Nettles seem likely to have some oxalic acid, though I can't find hard info on that either, so depending on how much of it is present, it might be appropriate to have a mention of that re: kidney stones.) Chconnor ( talk) 23:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Zefr, you reverted a change I made, but the sources are making a medical claim and not medical sources. If you have a medical source that says that cystoliths can cause kidney stones or urinary irritation, do add it. If you think my wording could be better, please alter it. But this needs to be clarified as it is a medical claim. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). MtBotany ( talk) 15:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
The mechanics can be compared to the mechanism of a plastic pipette used in biochemistry: the tip penetrates through the skin and as the more the trichome gets bent, the more its content is emptied under pressure. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvvmGmat55Q&ab_channel=TomRocksMaths
"It is commonly thought that the compound which causes the pain is formic acid (the same substance which stinging ants inject) but that is now known to be untrue regarding Stinging Nettle." More on the list of chemicals: http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/N/Nettle%28Stinging%29/Nettle%28Stinging%29.htm
These substances are bicyclic peptides and tend to be highly resistant to digestion within the stomach and can persist in the digestive tract. Although not present in Nettle, there also exists a plethora of other bicyclic polypeptides such as α-Amanitin, the highly toxic principle responsible for many fatalities after consuming Death Cap (Amanita phalloides) mushrooms. Cyclosporin A, a synthetic mono-cyclic polypeptide is used as an immunosuppressant drug in organ transplants. Echinomycin is another bicyclic polypeptide produced within various bacteria and is used medicinally as an antibiotic. There are hundreds more.
Thy for complementing, no more time, SvenAERTS ( talk) 00:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)