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Here is what Longerich says about the dsetruction of the Warsaw Ghetto:
The extensive destruction of Warsaw...seems to have been Himmler's work. ... He boasted that he had given the order to "raze Warsaw to the ground." Longerich, Peter (2012). Heinrich Himmler: A Life. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press. p. 705. ISBN 978-0-19-959232-6.
— Diannaa ( talk) 14:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Found here:
Aus Sicherheitsgründen ordne ich an, daß das Ghetto Warschau nach der Herausverlagerung des Konzentrationslagers abzureißen ist, wobei alle irgendwie verwertbaren Teile der Häuser und Materialien aller Art vorher zu verwerten sind.
Die Niederlegung des Ghettos und die Unterbringung des Konzentrationslagers ist notwendig, da wir Warschau sonst wohl niemals zur Ruhe bringen werden und das Verbrecherwesen bei Verbleiben des Ghettos nicht ausgerottet werden kann.
Für die Niederlegung des Ghettos ist mir ein Gesamtplan vorzulegen. Auf jeden Fall muß erreicht werden, daß der für 500 000 Untermenschen bisher vorhandene Wohnraum, der für Deutsche niemals geeignet ist, von der Bildfläche verschwindet und die Millionenstadt Warschau, die immer ein gefährlicher Herd der Zersetzung und des Aufstandes ist, verkleinert wird.
I would like Shadowwarrior8 to verify my claims, which he says are in the book. Not referring to anything else, the BOOK.
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By what right were the 2 documents I posted deleted when I even posted the pictures from the book? On what basis does that count as unreliable? Szolnok95 ( talk) 16:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
What is "academic", and "reliable" source?- Did you even bother to read the Wiki policies they linked? Here, let me try again: WP:SCHOLARSHIP, WP:RELIABLE, and WP:SECONDARY.
Just because something is an academic and reliable source, doesn't mean you should be able to claim things- In Wikipedia, we can WP:5P. That's how this website works. If you don't like it, you are not compelled to edit WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. -- WikiLinuz ( talk) 18:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Untermensch book NEVER mentions that the Eastern Europeans are inferior people, or anywhere mention them negatively."
"On the endless stretches of the Russian steppes lays Eastern Europe. The cultural split between this giant expanse and Middle Europe is abrupt and sudden. On both sides of this border, we find the same land -- but not the same man! ...
It is an eternal indictment of the Underman that this fertile, full, black earth- which could be a paradise, a European California-is in reality a neglected and desolated. It is a cultural disgrace without precedent. It is a tearful fate of the black earth. ...
Eastern Europe did not get beyond a certain level of primitiveness. It saw only chaos because it lacked the man, the valuable carrier of culture, the genius, the systemized imposition of peace, and the meaningful ordering of the endless diches and fertility which the il contains."
I’ve consistently attempted to remove a falsely sourced claim about the Nazis continuing to consider the Croats subhuman despite an alliance with the Independent State of Croatia. The source used to back up this claim was Europe at war : 1939-1945 : no simple victory by Norman Davies, specifically pages 167 and 206. These pages, nor this entire book, back this point. This is a claim that is baseless and appears to have just been used to paint the Croats as useful idiots which is an oversimplification. I’ve uploaded the two pages to an image hosting site so you can check for yourself without having to go out of your way to acquire the book like I have. https://ibb.co/RgrxQ5D https://ibb.co/RhXy6bw GawainKois ( talk) 00:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
-- WikiLinuz ( talk) 01:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
And from 1942, when the man¬ power shortage became very apparent, systematic efforts were made to raise volunteers from every occupied country except Poland and Greece. Frenchmen, Walloons, Italians and Hungarians were all made welcome. In the last years of the war, all pretence of racial exclusivity was abandoned. No less than six of the Waffen SS's thirty-eight divisions were composed of Slavs - Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Serbs, Bosnians and Croats - even though Nazi science had classed Slavs as 'subhuman'. This development put the Nazi leaders in a quandary.
— Norman Davies. Europe at War 1939-1945: No Simple Victory. p. 209.
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Here is what Longerich says about the dsetruction of the Warsaw Ghetto:
The extensive destruction of Warsaw...seems to have been Himmler's work. ... He boasted that he had given the order to "raze Warsaw to the ground." Longerich, Peter (2012). Heinrich Himmler: A Life. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press. p. 705. ISBN 978-0-19-959232-6.
— Diannaa ( talk) 14:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Found here:
Aus Sicherheitsgründen ordne ich an, daß das Ghetto Warschau nach der Herausverlagerung des Konzentrationslagers abzureißen ist, wobei alle irgendwie verwertbaren Teile der Häuser und Materialien aller Art vorher zu verwerten sind.
Die Niederlegung des Ghettos und die Unterbringung des Konzentrationslagers ist notwendig, da wir Warschau sonst wohl niemals zur Ruhe bringen werden und das Verbrecherwesen bei Verbleiben des Ghettos nicht ausgerottet werden kann.
Für die Niederlegung des Ghettos ist mir ein Gesamtplan vorzulegen. Auf jeden Fall muß erreicht werden, daß der für 500 000 Untermenschen bisher vorhandene Wohnraum, der für Deutsche niemals geeignet ist, von der Bildfläche verschwindet und die Millionenstadt Warschau, die immer ein gefährlicher Herd der Zersetzung und des Aufstandes ist, verkleinert wird.
I would like Shadowwarrior8 to verify my claims, which he says are in the book. Not referring to anything else, the BOOK.
Second:
By what right were the 2 documents I posted deleted when I even posted the pictures from the book? On what basis does that count as unreliable? Szolnok95 ( talk) 16:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
What is "academic", and "reliable" source?- Did you even bother to read the Wiki policies they linked? Here, let me try again: WP:SCHOLARSHIP, WP:RELIABLE, and WP:SECONDARY.
Just because something is an academic and reliable source, doesn't mean you should be able to claim things- In Wikipedia, we can WP:5P. That's how this website works. If you don't like it, you are not compelled to edit WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. -- WikiLinuz ( talk) 18:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Untermensch book NEVER mentions that the Eastern Europeans are inferior people, or anywhere mention them negatively."
"On the endless stretches of the Russian steppes lays Eastern Europe. The cultural split between this giant expanse and Middle Europe is abrupt and sudden. On both sides of this border, we find the same land -- but not the same man! ...
It is an eternal indictment of the Underman that this fertile, full, black earth- which could be a paradise, a European California-is in reality a neglected and desolated. It is a cultural disgrace without precedent. It is a tearful fate of the black earth. ...
Eastern Europe did not get beyond a certain level of primitiveness. It saw only chaos because it lacked the man, the valuable carrier of culture, the genius, the systemized imposition of peace, and the meaningful ordering of the endless diches and fertility which the il contains."
I’ve consistently attempted to remove a falsely sourced claim about the Nazis continuing to consider the Croats subhuman despite an alliance with the Independent State of Croatia. The source used to back up this claim was Europe at war : 1939-1945 : no simple victory by Norman Davies, specifically pages 167 and 206. These pages, nor this entire book, back this point. This is a claim that is baseless and appears to have just been used to paint the Croats as useful idiots which is an oversimplification. I’ve uploaded the two pages to an image hosting site so you can check for yourself without having to go out of your way to acquire the book like I have. https://ibb.co/RgrxQ5D https://ibb.co/RhXy6bw GawainKois ( talk) 00:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
-- WikiLinuz ( talk) 01:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
And from 1942, when the man¬ power shortage became very apparent, systematic efforts were made to raise volunteers from every occupied country except Poland and Greece. Frenchmen, Walloons, Italians and Hungarians were all made welcome. In the last years of the war, all pretence of racial exclusivity was abandoned. No less than six of the Waffen SS's thirty-eight divisions were composed of Slavs - Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, Serbs, Bosnians and Croats - even though Nazi science had classed Slavs as 'subhuman'. This development put the Nazi leaders in a quandary.
— Norman Davies. Europe at War 1939-1945: No Simple Victory. p. 209.