The article starts "The Balance in the computer adventure game The Longest Journey is a world order..." with a wikilink to "world order", which is a disambiguation page. Which article is being referred to? Burns flipper 07:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I really don't know myself. :( I choose the term "world order" 'cuz I ran out of other options. In fact, I don't think it is even appropriate in this case. :( --
Koveras
19:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I suggest we re-word using this page for reference. Burns flipper 07:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I see it's been changed to 'doctrine'. Having read the link it seems true, although there also seems to be a 'force' associated with it. I'm reminded of the opening and closing scenes of the game where we see a force flowing through the Guardian. Burns flipper 07:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Arcadia (The Longest Journey), Balance (The Longest Journey), and Stark (The Longest Journey) should be merged into a Universe of The Longest Journey article. The reader would have a better understanding of the concept if the material is presented together, and will bolster a notability argument. The articles currently have no references to assert notability per Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Merging will help to prevent deletion. Pagra shtak 19:10, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- Proposing different title: Fictional setting of The Longest Journey series, per WP:WAF. -- Koveras ☭ 20:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would prefer "Setting" to "Fictional setting". Since World of Final Fantasy VIII is listed as a good example at WAF, I was going off of that. As this goes beyond one world, however, I changed world to universe. I have no objection to a different title, though. Pagra shtak 16:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
It is also likely that the Draic Kin also have a way of crossing the Divide. In fact, it was one of the Kin, Cortez, who inspired Westhouse to undertake the journey to Tibet in the first place, and who mentored April in her Shifting abilities. Moreover, since April herself is a direct descendant of the White Mother of Draic Kin, it is possible that her powers are rooted in her bloodline. Another hint that the Kin are capable of Shifting is that after being born in Arcadia, April was then transferred to Stark - apparently by her progenitor, since she was unlikely to Shift herself as an infant.
I might be wrong here but isn't April being draic more hinted at then actually proven? At any rate I'm fairly sure that I've seen some rather long debates about weather she's draic or not in the fan community.. Never actually saw the conclusion of those debates though. And since both the black-house.net and thedivide.org is down I guess it's sort of hard to find support for either views without looking through the games long and hard and even then it's possible for different people to see different things.. Anyone tried asking Ragnar on his blog? Well, I donno, just think that this part is a bit speculative without any links to some sources.. Still kudos for an article that do explain the universe in question. Ps. I haven't played either game for ages now so my memory of them are a bit hazy.. Luredreier 20:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Other realms Except Stark, Arcadia and the Guardian's Realm, there are also other fragments of Earth left over unaligned after the Divide. Such fragments are, for example, Lady Alvane's house, that April briefly visits on her way from Stark to Arcadia, and the Storytime, where the Vagabond resides and where Brian Westhouse encountered the Undreaming in 1933. Apparently, these fringe realms are so small that the Guardians have mostly ignored them, judging that they will never endanger the Balance.
Again, sources please. Regarding Lady Alvane, there's much speculation about who she is, one possibility that's been debates is weather or not she is in fact April herself at another point in her life. And the guests that's seen in her house do indicate that her house is somehow involved with a bigger world then just her house.. Perhaps it's located in a different point in time? (not proven off course although there's no knowing what powers people might have before and after the divide of the worlds, it will after all end at some point reuniting the worlds) Point is unless you know something I don't it's not proven that her house is a part of the old world left behind so to speak. As for the storytime.. It's an interesting case.. But is it proven that it's bits of the old world that's left there? Luredreier 20:47, 27 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luredreier ( talk • contribs)
As seen in Dreamfall, the Sentinel Order, already weakened by the war against the Tyren, was delivered a severe blow when the zealous Azadi moved into the Northlands and ruthlessly hunted down all "religions" other than their own. With the Northlands' Sentinel forced into hiding, the legends of the Balance are now rarely recalled in both Twin Worlds.
Ok, nice except for a tiny bit. You might want to use another word then recalled (it means remembering, right?) because the time span from the Tyren invasion till the events of TLJ:DF is short enough for a large part of the population from before the invasion to still live. And I doubt that they've forgotten all about how things where before. They do however refrain from talking all that much about it.. Religious intolerance anyone? Luredreier 20:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luredreier ( talk • contribs)
Erh, not sure what wikipedias policy is towards using thematic wikipedias as sources.. But if is accepted (something I sort of doubt) I'd suggest having a look at http://tlj.wikia.com/wiki/TLJwiki Luredreier 21:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luredreier ( talk • contribs)
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The article starts "The Balance in the computer adventure game The Longest Journey is a world order..." with a wikilink to "world order", which is a disambiguation page. Which article is being referred to? Burns flipper 07:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I really don't know myself. :( I choose the term "world order" 'cuz I ran out of other options. In fact, I don't think it is even appropriate in this case. :( --
Koveras
19:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I suggest we re-word using this page for reference. Burns flipper 07:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I see it's been changed to 'doctrine'. Having read the link it seems true, although there also seems to be a 'force' associated with it. I'm reminded of the opening and closing scenes of the game where we see a force flowing through the Guardian. Burns flipper 07:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Arcadia (The Longest Journey), Balance (The Longest Journey), and Stark (The Longest Journey) should be merged into a Universe of The Longest Journey article. The reader would have a better understanding of the concept if the material is presented together, and will bolster a notability argument. The articles currently have no references to assert notability per Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Merging will help to prevent deletion. Pagra shtak 19:10, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- Proposing different title: Fictional setting of The Longest Journey series, per WP:WAF. -- Koveras ☭ 20:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would prefer "Setting" to "Fictional setting". Since World of Final Fantasy VIII is listed as a good example at WAF, I was going off of that. As this goes beyond one world, however, I changed world to universe. I have no objection to a different title, though. Pagra shtak 16:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
It is also likely that the Draic Kin also have a way of crossing the Divide. In fact, it was one of the Kin, Cortez, who inspired Westhouse to undertake the journey to Tibet in the first place, and who mentored April in her Shifting abilities. Moreover, since April herself is a direct descendant of the White Mother of Draic Kin, it is possible that her powers are rooted in her bloodline. Another hint that the Kin are capable of Shifting is that after being born in Arcadia, April was then transferred to Stark - apparently by her progenitor, since she was unlikely to Shift herself as an infant.
I might be wrong here but isn't April being draic more hinted at then actually proven? At any rate I'm fairly sure that I've seen some rather long debates about weather she's draic or not in the fan community.. Never actually saw the conclusion of those debates though. And since both the black-house.net and thedivide.org is down I guess it's sort of hard to find support for either views without looking through the games long and hard and even then it's possible for different people to see different things.. Anyone tried asking Ragnar on his blog? Well, I donno, just think that this part is a bit speculative without any links to some sources.. Still kudos for an article that do explain the universe in question. Ps. I haven't played either game for ages now so my memory of them are a bit hazy.. Luredreier 20:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Other realms Except Stark, Arcadia and the Guardian's Realm, there are also other fragments of Earth left over unaligned after the Divide. Such fragments are, for example, Lady Alvane's house, that April briefly visits on her way from Stark to Arcadia, and the Storytime, where the Vagabond resides and where Brian Westhouse encountered the Undreaming in 1933. Apparently, these fringe realms are so small that the Guardians have mostly ignored them, judging that they will never endanger the Balance.
Again, sources please. Regarding Lady Alvane, there's much speculation about who she is, one possibility that's been debates is weather or not she is in fact April herself at another point in her life. And the guests that's seen in her house do indicate that her house is somehow involved with a bigger world then just her house.. Perhaps it's located in a different point in time? (not proven off course although there's no knowing what powers people might have before and after the divide of the worlds, it will after all end at some point reuniting the worlds) Point is unless you know something I don't it's not proven that her house is a part of the old world left behind so to speak. As for the storytime.. It's an interesting case.. But is it proven that it's bits of the old world that's left there? Luredreier 20:47, 27 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luredreier ( talk • contribs)
As seen in Dreamfall, the Sentinel Order, already weakened by the war against the Tyren, was delivered a severe blow when the zealous Azadi moved into the Northlands and ruthlessly hunted down all "religions" other than their own. With the Northlands' Sentinel forced into hiding, the legends of the Balance are now rarely recalled in both Twin Worlds.
Ok, nice except for a tiny bit. You might want to use another word then recalled (it means remembering, right?) because the time span from the Tyren invasion till the events of TLJ:DF is short enough for a large part of the population from before the invasion to still live. And I doubt that they've forgotten all about how things where before. They do however refrain from talking all that much about it.. Religious intolerance anyone? Luredreier 20:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luredreier ( talk • contribs)
Erh, not sure what wikipedias policy is towards using thematic wikipedias as sources.. But if is accepted (something I sort of doubt) I'd suggest having a look at http://tlj.wikia.com/wiki/TLJwiki Luredreier 21:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luredreier ( talk • contribs)