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@ BilledMammal: [1] Can you explain how killing 1400 people is massacre but killing 8000 people, most of them children and women, is not massacre? Ghazaalch ( talk) 12:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Hamas gunmen burst into Israel nearly two weeks ago, killing 1,400 people, mainly civilians,
At least 4,137 Palestinians have been killed, including hundreds of children, ...Ghazaalch ( talk) 12:58, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Prefer nonjudgmental language. A neutral point of view neither sympathizes with nor disparages its subject (or what reliable sources say about the subject)...Also, WP:BIASED says that sources that are biased (meaning their POV is not neutral) can still be considered RS. Finally, WP:CONTENTIOUS says "
Value-laden labels...may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." So that also rules out using "massacred" in wikivoice. VR talk 00:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
This section was erased by User:BilledMammal. Though some changes need to be carried out to the original text, the wholesale removal was not a correct action. -- Mhhossein talk 19:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
The Israeli military has imposed a 16-year siege on Gaza - during which it carried out six deadly military strikes against a population living in one of the most populous places on earth. However, the White House described the 2023 attack as "unprovoked"does not belong in the article; it is unrelated to the scope of the article and is clearly WP:POV.
A team of legal experts alerted the Biden administration and the ICC prosecutor that the U.S. government might be legally implicated in Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are several issues with this sentence, but the most obvious is that it states
ongoing genocide against the Palestinian peoplein Wikivoice.
"A team of legal experts alerted the Biden administration and the ICC prosecutor that the U.S. government could be hold responsible for the outcome of what the team described as the Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people."I would like also the team to be presented first. -- Mhhossein talk 16:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The Israeli military has imposed a 16-year siege on Gaza - during which it carried out six deadly military strikes against a population living in one of the most populous places on earth. However, the White House described the 2023 attack as "unprovoked",
Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people, and, more recently,
On November 2, the congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, who is of Palestinian descent, was target in a $100,000 TV defamation ad campaign by the Democratic Majority for Israel. BilledMammal ( talk) 06:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Since what qualifies as a "POV fork" can itself be based on a POV judgement, it may be best not to refer to the fork as "POV" except in extreme cases of persistent disruptive editing. Instead, apply Wikipedia's policy that requires a neutral point of view: regardless of the reasons for making the fork, it still must be titled and written in a neutral point of view.Ghazaalch ( talk) 03:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was proposed as a potential choice for the 2023 in the United States collage. You are free to participate in the collage choice discussion here: Talk:2023 in the United States#Collage submissions. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 07:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Change "More than 9,000 Palestinians, mostly children and women, have been killed in this area since the start of Israeli bombing," to "More than 10,000 Palestinians, mostly children and women, have been killed in this area since the start of Israeli bombing,"
More people have died and this is now inaccurate ItsRuskied ( talk) 17:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans ( talk) 04:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
United States support for Israel in the 2023 IsraelâHamas war â United States and the 2023 IsraelâHamas war â Shorter title with a slightly broader topic. There have been calls by American officials for humanitarian pauses which Israel has opposed, if I have understood correctly. These are hardly "support for Israel" but it's still an involvement by the American foreign policy apparatus into the war. This format also follows United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We could also for example include pro-Palestinian actions in the United States in the article. An article about the impact of the war in the US is more useful than one about the US's official support to Israel in my opinion. I think this for example [2] could also be included in this article but it does not make much sense under the current title. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 11:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
if the RS states it it is not irrelevant Solidarityandfreedom ( talk) 04:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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Remove the part about the Progressive Democrats of America from the lead. It has undue weight and the organization itself is not mentioned in the sources. The bit about Leahy's Law should be included later in the article. The lead should only mention *progressive democrats* who oppose the funding Personisinsterest ( talk) 22:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Change "On 20 Octorber" to "On 20 October" Binbwen ( talk) 13:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Noteworthy controversies about a subject should be included in the lead per WP:LEAD, and it makes 0 sense to claim that an article on United States support for Israel in the 2023 IsraelâHamas war does not have as part of its scope criticism of that support. There hasnt been a reason offered for the removal either, just a personal complaint at odds with our policies. nableezy - 06:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
The United States has come under fire from international leaders, human rights organisations, and UN officials for vetoing the resolution and for not putting an end to the fighting that has killed over 17,400 Palestinians and roughly 1,200 Israelis since October 7.
World leaders, international rights groups and United Nations officials have criticised the United States for vetoing a UN resolution calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and failing to halt the war that has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians and about 1,100 people in Israel since October 7.
The United States has come under fire from international leaders, human rights organisations, and UN officialsand
World leaders, international rights groups and United Nations officials have criticised the United States, which is literally just changing active voice to passive voice, changing "world" to "international", "United Nations" to "UN", and "international" to "human".
for vetoing the resolution and for not putting an end to the fightingand
for vetoing a UN resolution calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and failing to halt the war, which changes "a UN" to "the", removes "calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in gaza", and changes "putting an end to the fighting" to "failing to halt the war".
that has killed over 17,400 Palestinians and roughly 1,200 Israelis since October 7and
that has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians and about 1,100 people in Israel since October 7, which does nothing but change "over" to "more than", "roughly" to "about", and "1200 Israelis" to "1100 in Israel".
The United States has received widespread international criticism for its veto of the ceasefire resolution. No opinion on the underlying content dispute or whether such a sentence belongs in the lead. â SamX [ talk ¡ contribs 02:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Reactions>January Reactions>No. 8 Change "Antony blinken" to "Antony Blinken" Tosatur ( talk) 08:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
Should the following two, and more recent, surveys related to the topic be cited somewhere within this page? [3] [4] (The reference section below is not what I am referring to.) David A ( talk) 06:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Updates needed & within revisions. 2600:8801:298B:9B00:69A4:9480:D680:60E8 ( talk) 04:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, the first citation leads to a dead page on the Times website. Here is a link to an archived version of the page: https://web.archive.org/web/20231110173047/https://time.com/6325247/us-military-assistance-israel/ 72.225.45.201 ( talk) 21:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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My proposal is a grammar edit; "By March 7, 2024, the US had sent Israel over 100 weapons shipments since October 7, 2024." becomes "By March 7, 2024, the US had sent Israel over 100 weapons shipments since October 7, 2023." BuggleJuggle ( talk) 22:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I added a public domain chart ( commons:Template:PD-chart) from Gallup Poll:
Chart may be at a smaller size in the article.
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-- Timeshifter ( talk) 21:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Davefelmer: Please stop edit warring and use the talk page. The lede is a summary of the body, highlighting the most important points, not summarizing the article proportionately. The issue of increasing dissent within the Biden administration has received widespread coverage with dedicated articles on the topic by numerous RS. This part of the US support not only deserves a sentence in the lede of this article, but also deserves its own standalone article since it fulfills WP:GNG. [14], [15], [16], [17]. Waiting for your self-revert. Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Is somebody here willing to add the information that the Biden administration is finally putting some pressure on Netanyahu in the form of that they will put a stop to weapon deliveries to Israel if its military enters Rafah? [18] [19] [20] David A ( talk) 08:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I think that we should mention that a bipartisan effort from the Republicans and Democrats is currently trying to illegalise all criticism of Israel and Zionism by categorising it as antisemitic hate-speech. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] David A ( talk) 15:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
The article says â Hours after the IsraelâHamas war on October 7, the United States started sendingâ. That cannot have happened hours after the war because the war hasnât yet ended. 82.36.70.81 ( talk) 23:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Hours after the start of the IsraelâHamas war on October 7âŚâ C.Fred ( talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
The following seems like relevant information to add to this page. Is somebody here willing to do so please?
@ CarmenEsparzaAmoux and Kashmiri: Would you be willing to handle it for example?
David A ( talk) 20:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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On 10 November 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to United States and the 2023 IsraelâHamas war. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
@ BilledMammal: [1] Can you explain how killing 1400 people is massacre but killing 8000 people, most of them children and women, is not massacre? Ghazaalch ( talk) 12:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Hamas gunmen burst into Israel nearly two weeks ago, killing 1,400 people, mainly civilians,
At least 4,137 Palestinians have been killed, including hundreds of children, ...Ghazaalch ( talk) 12:58, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Prefer nonjudgmental language. A neutral point of view neither sympathizes with nor disparages its subject (or what reliable sources say about the subject)...Also, WP:BIASED says that sources that are biased (meaning their POV is not neutral) can still be considered RS. Finally, WP:CONTENTIOUS says "
Value-laden labels...may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." So that also rules out using "massacred" in wikivoice. VR talk 00:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
This section was erased by User:BilledMammal. Though some changes need to be carried out to the original text, the wholesale removal was not a correct action. -- Mhhossein talk 19:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
The Israeli military has imposed a 16-year siege on Gaza - during which it carried out six deadly military strikes against a population living in one of the most populous places on earth. However, the White House described the 2023 attack as "unprovoked"does not belong in the article; it is unrelated to the scope of the article and is clearly WP:POV.
A team of legal experts alerted the Biden administration and the ICC prosecutor that the U.S. government might be legally implicated in Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people. There are several issues with this sentence, but the most obvious is that it states
ongoing genocide against the Palestinian peoplein Wikivoice.
"A team of legal experts alerted the Biden administration and the ICC prosecutor that the U.S. government could be hold responsible for the outcome of what the team described as the Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people."I would like also the team to be presented first. -- Mhhossein talk 16:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The Israeli military has imposed a 16-year siege on Gaza - during which it carried out six deadly military strikes against a population living in one of the most populous places on earth. However, the White House described the 2023 attack as "unprovoked",
Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinian people, and, more recently,
On November 2, the congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, who is of Palestinian descent, was target in a $100,000 TV defamation ad campaign by the Democratic Majority for Israel. BilledMammal ( talk) 06:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Since what qualifies as a "POV fork" can itself be based on a POV judgement, it may be best not to refer to the fork as "POV" except in extreme cases of persistent disruptive editing. Instead, apply Wikipedia's policy that requires a neutral point of view: regardless of the reasons for making the fork, it still must be titled and written in a neutral point of view.Ghazaalch ( talk) 03:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was proposed as a potential choice for the 2023 in the United States collage. You are free to participate in the collage choice discussion here: Talk:2023 in the United States#Collage submissions. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 07:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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Change "More than 9,000 Palestinians, mostly children and women, have been killed in this area since the start of Israeli bombing," to "More than 10,000 Palestinians, mostly children and women, have been killed in this area since the start of Israeli bombing,"
More people have died and this is now inaccurate ItsRuskied ( talk) 17:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans ( talk) 04:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
United States support for Israel in the 2023 IsraelâHamas war â United States and the 2023 IsraelâHamas war â Shorter title with a slightly broader topic. There have been calls by American officials for humanitarian pauses which Israel has opposed, if I have understood correctly. These are hardly "support for Israel" but it's still an involvement by the American foreign policy apparatus into the war. This format also follows United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We could also for example include pro-Palestinian actions in the United States in the article. An article about the impact of the war in the US is more useful than one about the US's official support to Israel in my opinion. I think this for example [2] could also be included in this article but it does not make much sense under the current title. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 11:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
if the RS states it it is not irrelevant Solidarityandfreedom ( talk) 04:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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Remove the part about the Progressive Democrats of America from the lead. It has undue weight and the organization itself is not mentioned in the sources. The bit about Leahy's Law should be included later in the article. The lead should only mention *progressive democrats* who oppose the funding Personisinsterest ( talk) 22:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Change "On 20 Octorber" to "On 20 October" Binbwen ( talk) 13:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Noteworthy controversies about a subject should be included in the lead per WP:LEAD, and it makes 0 sense to claim that an article on United States support for Israel in the 2023 IsraelâHamas war does not have as part of its scope criticism of that support. There hasnt been a reason offered for the removal either, just a personal complaint at odds with our policies. nableezy - 06:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
The United States has come under fire from international leaders, human rights organisations, and UN officials for vetoing the resolution and for not putting an end to the fighting that has killed over 17,400 Palestinians and roughly 1,200 Israelis since October 7.
World leaders, international rights groups and United Nations officials have criticised the United States for vetoing a UN resolution calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and failing to halt the war that has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians and about 1,100 people in Israel since October 7.
The United States has come under fire from international leaders, human rights organisations, and UN officialsand
World leaders, international rights groups and United Nations officials have criticised the United States, which is literally just changing active voice to passive voice, changing "world" to "international", "United Nations" to "UN", and "international" to "human".
for vetoing the resolution and for not putting an end to the fightingand
for vetoing a UN resolution calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and failing to halt the war, which changes "a UN" to "the", removes "calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in gaza", and changes "putting an end to the fighting" to "failing to halt the war".
that has killed over 17,400 Palestinians and roughly 1,200 Israelis since October 7and
that has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians and about 1,100 people in Israel since October 7, which does nothing but change "over" to "more than", "roughly" to "about", and "1200 Israelis" to "1100 in Israel".
The United States has received widespread international criticism for its veto of the ceasefire resolution. No opinion on the underlying content dispute or whether such a sentence belongs in the lead. â SamX [ talk ¡ contribs 02:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Reactions>January Reactions>No. 8 Change "Antony blinken" to "Antony Blinken" Tosatur ( talk) 08:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
Should the following two, and more recent, surveys related to the topic be cited somewhere within this page? [3] [4] (The reference section below is not what I am referring to.) David A ( talk) 06:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Updates needed & within revisions. 2600:8801:298B:9B00:69A4:9480:D680:60E8 ( talk) 04:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, the first citation leads to a dead page on the Times website. Here is a link to an archived version of the page: https://web.archive.org/web/20231110173047/https://time.com/6325247/us-military-assistance-israel/ 72.225.45.201 ( talk) 21:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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My proposal is a grammar edit; "By March 7, 2024, the US had sent Israel over 100 weapons shipments since October 7, 2024." becomes "By March 7, 2024, the US had sent Israel over 100 weapons shipments since October 7, 2023." BuggleJuggle ( talk) 22:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I added a public domain chart ( commons:Template:PD-chart) from Gallup Poll:
Chart may be at a smaller size in the article.
References
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 21:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Davefelmer: Please stop edit warring and use the talk page. The lede is a summary of the body, highlighting the most important points, not summarizing the article proportionately. The issue of increasing dissent within the Biden administration has received widespread coverage with dedicated articles on the topic by numerous RS. This part of the US support not only deserves a sentence in the lede of this article, but also deserves its own standalone article since it fulfills WP:GNG. [14], [15], [16], [17]. Waiting for your self-revert. Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Is somebody here willing to add the information that the Biden administration is finally putting some pressure on Netanyahu in the form of that they will put a stop to weapon deliveries to Israel if its military enters Rafah? [18] [19] [20] David A ( talk) 08:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I think that we should mention that a bipartisan effort from the Republicans and Democrats is currently trying to illegalise all criticism of Israel and Zionism by categorising it as antisemitic hate-speech. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] David A ( talk) 15:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
The article says â Hours after the IsraelâHamas war on October 7, the United States started sendingâ. That cannot have happened hours after the war because the war hasnât yet ended. 82.36.70.81 ( talk) 23:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Hours after the start of the IsraelâHamas war on October 7âŚâ C.Fred ( talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello.
The following seems like relevant information to add to this page. Is somebody here willing to do so please?
@ CarmenEsparzaAmoux and Kashmiri: Would you be willing to handle it for example?
David A ( talk) 20:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)