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AIT is not part of Basic Training. There is an entire program --- One Station Unit Training (OSUT) --- that exists to combine Basic Training and AIT. This has been the case since at leas the early 1960s.
All of the filler about fire guards, CQs, what is done which week, what certain phases are called, etc, is pointless. These are determined by the post conducting the training, and the version of the training POI that is in use at that post, the available facilities and personnel, and other factors. Listing what one editor did in Basic three years ago is as pointless as listing that was the lunch entree at the DFAC yesterday.
The entire article is in desperate need of some valid references. Starting with the Army Program of Instruction.
If you'd like to help create the remaining sections for individual weeks of BCT, information can be found at this URL:
07:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
U.S. Army AIT is for enlisted personnel, so Engineer School should not link to the Engineer Officer's Course. Also, Air Assault school is not a part of IET. The list of AIT's should lead to the correct articles that exist, or be deleted. Dirteater13 17:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The Advanced Individual Training article describes a part of US Army Basic Training, and is a stub. I feel it would better serve as a section of this article.
01:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
AIT is NOT a part of Basic Training and should not have been merged into an article about US Army BT.
Nor is OSUT part of Basic Training. OSUT covers the same basic soldier skills but is part of an integrated MOS-specific training plan while BT is MOS non-specific and is a stand-alone training program.
I have no idea where the idea of separate hourly "Fire Guard(s)" came from, but the USArmy uses the CQ for the fire guard during the BCT/IET/AIT phases. The CQ does hourly rounds which includes the duty of fire guard, and there is no "waking" of another guard as each hour ticks past. This reference should be deleted if noone else can recall it's current supposed "usage." Please disregard this notation if it's specific implementation has occurred universally in the last few years I am not aware of. If the practice is MOS specific, it should be listed here by MOS reference...separate hourly "Fire Guard" is not a part of the Fort Sam Houston AMEDD series IET/AIT MOS duties. In addition, CQ was the reponsibility of 1 soldier under the supervision of the Drill Sergeant/Platoon Sergeant, not 2 as listed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ren99 ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I was in service 96-99, so my experience is much more current than yours. Also please note I do not state "recent change" ever in my comments, you have chosen to insert the reference. In addition, I specifically state that "MOS specific" differences may exist, and should you have had a different experience it would be to your advantage to state it, and not postulate. In particular the Combat Arms (infantry, etc) most likely follow a separate protocol than the Med Corps; listing the disparities would help to establish your opinion vs my own. The most beneficial result would be the merging of these differences, but that cannot be effectively achieved until everyone reports in their own experiences. Your experiences are not universal, nor were mine; as such a convergence should be explored. Ren99 ( talk) 07:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Your term of service is not the matter. We appreciate your service. The title of the section was not the matter, I referred it to my response only. I served at many different stations, including overseas; where you served was not the matter, I stated the various arms may well function differently. That you took offense is your issue, and was not the matter of statement here. The Army is a professoinal organization; if you can't take the input vs what you feel is correct is not my concern and is your matter. If you don't want to participate in discussion, don't say anything at all as you are NEVER always correct; nor am I. That you cannot take criticism as a matter of learning is your matter, not mine. This is Wikipedia, an online informational open source format; write your congressman if you don't like it. Ren99 ( talk) 11:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
How about how it's getting softer? Like how recruits can have cell phones and cd players now? Perhaps under a "Recent changes" section? Just a thought. Parsecboy 12:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
BCT is not the same as IET. BCT in the USArmy is 9 weeks long. This is your boot camp training/basic combat training. Failure to pass BCT results in dismissal from the military. IET is training for your initial MOS and includes both BCT and AIT. Failure to pass IET results in reclassification of your MOS. These are important differences to consider when making statements concerning training environments. Ren99 ( talk) 07:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC) AIT is also for soldiers who just completed basic and are qualifying for a MOS. Niteshift36 ( talk) 07:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC) Thanks, I just revised my prior listing for accuracy. Ren99 ( talk) 08:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I added Unreferenced tag to the Overview section. The first citation doesn't appear in the article until we get down to Locations. I note that even on this Talk page, most of the conversation is compare/contrast of individual experiences. This article needs more objective references and less "back in my day" commentary. Advice about what to expect in IET would make for a better blog than a Wikipedia article. Canute ( talk) 14:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
The Victory Tower we used at Relaxin' Jackson did include rope ladders and rope bridges, as well as the single rope you had to lie down on and slide on. Can't remember what that's called, I'm on 24 hour staff duty at the moment, and am a bit tired :) Thanks for fixing those misspellings. I blame it on being tired too ;). Parsecboy 09:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
to say that jackson and benning are identical is just false. benning is much harder than jackson. no doubt. i went to jackson and the guys who went to benning told me of things that we never, unfortunately, endured at jackson. benning is harder no doubt, but the army as a whole is easier than it used to be because the recruit you get isnt as hard as he/she once was. i will say this thought, and that is that dicipline and being a good soldier is a choice. no drill sgt is going to make you a good soldier. you make that choice and i know this because although fort benning is harder, the biggest shi*bags came out of benning. they all claimed to be "real" soldiers, but they had no dicipline whatsoever and didnt live up to the army values for the most part. Ethmegdav ( talk) 04:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in here but if you completed training and perform your duties as they are expected of you then you are a "real "soldier" regardless of where you went to BCT and AIT. Jersey John ( talk) 11:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
daily, especially in the beginning, wake up is anwhere from 3 am to 4 am because tow the line is around 4am or 5 am. Ethmegdav ( talk) 01:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about other Basic training site but I just got back from Fort Leonard Wood and our barracks were one building with each platoon having a floor to themselves. The way this article describes them it sounds more like each platoon had there own building. I don't know about other BCT sites but thats what I experienced at Fort Leonard Wood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codeman177 ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I was curious about the training of the US army and the British army and how they differ both in length and difficulty? I thought that someone here may know the specific details. cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.136.76 ( talk) 22:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Do people in army line up in a more efficient way? I looked up the article about Queue and I can't find how or why people in army line up. 118.169.96.88 ( talk) 13:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
A curiosity popped into my head. I'm wondering in regards to AIT. How does it work out. So, once a recruit finishes basic training, they go on to more weeks of training for their MOS. Most new recruits are usually college age. So for serviceman attending college, how do they find time do their AIT? I guess they'd have to put it off until summer. But say they're at a college that has summer courses, like a community college or other 2-year schools. I guess they'd have to put it off until they graduate. There's the time issue and their AIT may take place at a base far from where they live. How do they get time to do it, and is their a limit to how long it can be put off? -- 71.214.245.4 ( talk) 03:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no history of basic training? It has changed quite a bit during the years. This is especially true regarding physical contact and so called abusive language. 03:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.234.225 ( talk)
Recently the US Army has released some major changes to the BCT system. A good source can be found at http://www.military.com/news/article/army-news/the-top-ten-basic-training-changes.html?ESRC=army-a.nl, I hope someone is watching this. Sadads ( talk) 12:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Obviously the entire article isn't a copy vio, so if the editor who decided to tie up the entire article with a copyvio notice, then fail to state what part is the problem, would like to be specific, perhaps we can get the article fixed. Niteshift36 ( talk) 22:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
First off... it's not a matter of me not doing my homework -- the template info (see: here) isn't that detailed. It doesn't say anything about discussions. I saw the clear violation, followed the instructions listed there, slapped the template on the article and called it a night. The template itself is a lot more detailed than the directions on how to use it are. Second -- You gave up waiting for the URL? The URL you are referring about is clearly listed on the template which now covers the article page. You didn't see that?
Look, I think you might be the one that is failing to grasp something here: the article was almost a complete copyright violation in and of itself. What exactly would you have proposed discussing? It was like a house that needed everything but the windows replaced. Seriously. And considering (after the fact) that you yourself were hasty enough to make the snap decision to revert the article by removing the template (until you realized that it wasn't a .gov website... something I did look into myself before I made the call BTW) and going with my gut on interpreting your own snap judgement, do you think my bet would've been on a reasonable discussion had I even known to bring it up here first? And for the record, it wasn't my intent to leave anyone in the dark -- I was trying to leave a link and a note in the editing comment when my hand hit 'enter' right after that colon at the end of the word see: in the edit summary. The see: that I was going to direct concerned editors to was this.
And lastly, doing my homework before my 'ridiculous assertion' about your not having served? What, you think I'm a wiki-stalker that goes and checks up on who is who before I make a comment? When I went through Benning back in 1990, we called it 'chow' and the 'chow hall', and when we called meals breakfast, lunch or dinner, we did pushups. So apparently it's not a standardized regulation put out by TRADOC and/or enforced universally by Drill Sergeants. Maybe we've both learned something... or maybe not. Maybe we can continue arguing about it, or maybe not. That part is up to you. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 08:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This whole issue could have been fixed with a little bit of discussion, and a little bit more citations. Instead, someone had to escalate it to a whole new level. It is not a copyright vio. This shitstorm could have been avoided. A research paper without quotes is plagiarism, a paper with quotes is research. The job of armybasic.org is to provide information to the recruit. The job of this article is to do the exact same thing. Nate1028 ( talk) 19:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Basic Training is designed to be extremely intense, and individuals who have experienced it generally consider it to have been the most challenging experience of their lives.
Basic Training is designed to be highly intense and challenging.
This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier, from the proper way to respect a superior officer to the correct way to fire weapons
This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier, from combat techniques to the proper way to address a superior.
It's not just a matter of forcing people to look an inch over; rather, since people don't necessarily already know which Army bases are located where, they have to skim through the rest of list to find the link they want, instead of being able to click it when they've already found the item that interests them.
Eg. List of bus routes in London has everything linked, even duplicates located just a few items apart (Hammersmith, for example, has a duplicate just two items down).
This is more intuitive for a list because a list is a reference, rather than a linear narrative like paragraphs are. You generally read a paragraph from beginning to end, so seeing the same word linked multiple times can be obtrusive. There's no reason to avoid that in lists, because they are more often used by skimming for a particular item and clicking its related links, rather than reading through. Equazcion (talk) 22:38, 28 Jan 2012 (UTC)
These are both verifiable and relevant, not sure why anyone would remove them. Summary says they're "trivia"? I don't see how. It's no more trivial than several other items in the Overview section, and they all belong as well. Any article attempting to provide an overview of Basic Training should include these rather prominent aspects of it. Equazcion (talk) 21:48, 2 Jan 2013 (UTC)
Re. Your ownership allegation towards me: [6] "If anyone is exhibiting ownership and acting in bad faith, it's you my friend."
"I've discussed how the information could be added into the article in a proper context."... This is essentially saying you think the info could be added if presented in a different way. The trivia guideline (whether or not you made reference to it) covers such a scenario, in saying you shouldn't be removing info just because it's presented poorly. Work on changing its presentation if you want, but in the interim a poor presentation is not justification for removal. Equazcion (talk) 19:18, 3 Jan 2013 (UTC)
Observation: Greetings, I just stumbled onto this article and thought it would be worthwhile for me to voice out my opinion on this - An overview is supposed to be just an overview, while there are too many subheadings at present, those paragraphs recently removed do however seem to be an integral aspect of training. That said, the overview is way too detailed, and at its present form, the average reader is not going to want to read it at all. (I certainly wasn't able to get past the 3rd paragraph). I believe the way forward would be to condense "Hydration" and "Memorization" as well as similar sections together, possibly under a new heading called "Training conditions" or something similar. I hope this helps a little, please dont take editing too seriously guys. - A1candidate ( talk) 21:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I said they're important because "a civilian who wants to know about Basic Training and the major life change it represents" would see it as just "as important -- if not more so" than the physical training, "because they're not as obvious or well-known in popular culture." Having to drink a half to one-and-a-half quarts of water every hour throughout the day is a major change from civilian life, as is having to suddenly memorize such a large volume of text for recitation. Basic Training is about the major change from civilian life, that the Army lays on in excess during Basic in order to drive it in and condition, create a new frame of reference and a new mental reflex. These aspects are as much a part of that as any of the other training aspects. I'm not seeing any particular reason to exclude them, other than you saying you don't think they're as memorable (to "vets"?). Equazcion (talk) 19:16, 7 Jan 2013 (UTC)
I suppose we could blame all the readers whose first aid training isn't up-to-date and nevertheless write the article for those who've kept current, but, no, I don't think that's reasonable. I'd be open to a change in presentation from the separate sections to condensed paragraphs, as long as the information in general is restored, as "A1candidate" agreed above. Shall we get started on that? Equazcion (talk) 16:42, 8 Jan 2013 (UTC)
Drill sergeants are the instructors that are responsible for most of the training that takes place in Basic Training. They accompany recruits throughout the training process, instructing and correcting them in everything from firing weapons to the correct way to address a superior, and are also largely responsible for the safety of recruits. They are recognizable by their distinctive headgear, often called "Smokey the Bear" hats, as they resemble that character's round park ranger-style hat.
Dude, they are correctly referred to as campaign hats. At best, smokey-the-bear is slang; at worst, an insult.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_hat johncheverly 00:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
"Basic" or Initial Entry Training is a completely separate matter from Advanced Individual Training. Even those MOSs that use the One Station Unit Training (OSUT) plan make a clear distinction between basic training and MOS training.
Why does my Honorable Discharge have the date of basic training instead of my date of separation that was 3 years later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.35.48.25 ( talk) 16:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The lede claims that "the challenge comes as much from the difficulty of physical training as it does from the required quick psychological adjustment ...". This sounds like its copied directly from Army PR material. It requires an authoratiative reference citation (which would show drop-outs are equally likely to be due to NON-PHYSICAL factors (that is, many drop-outs are easily passing the physical challenges) as to failed Physical Tests. I doubt it is true. Secondly the lede claims:"...it introduces...a strict daily schedule... for which most civilians are not immediately ready." Again, the same objections a) lifted from PR b) requires authoratative reference. And again, I doubt it is true (unless, when it refers to "civilians", it means 18-22 year old children..er sorry "young adults" and if so it should say so.). The lede also seems to confuse IET and AIT. There is nothing "quick" about spending a year 'adjusting' in an AIT, for example. (And the implication that the physical demands continue after IET is just not true, in terms of intensity - which is what is being discussed.) Plus, who knows what "immediately ready" means? compared to being ready "some day"?? Sound without meaning 216.96.76.79 ( talk) 02:29, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Under the Locations section, the article says there are 4 basic training locations and cites a 2010 article. I found a 2020 article from MilitaryOneSource that says there are 5, including Fort Knox. Can anyone confirm? Army Basic Training: What to Expect Canute ( talk) 13:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
One question. I'm looking at this article, and I realize that it doesn't say anything about the NCO rank that usually handles the reception battalion phase. Like, is it a corporal, a specialist, what? Faith15 17:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
So in the section about the Reception Battalion (RECBN) period, it says it takes 4 to 10 days. However, in the actual Basic Combat Training (BCT) chapter, it says it takes 3 to 5 days. Which one is correct? Faith15 19:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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AIT is not part of Basic Training. There is an entire program --- One Station Unit Training (OSUT) --- that exists to combine Basic Training and AIT. This has been the case since at leas the early 1960s.
All of the filler about fire guards, CQs, what is done which week, what certain phases are called, etc, is pointless. These are determined by the post conducting the training, and the version of the training POI that is in use at that post, the available facilities and personnel, and other factors. Listing what one editor did in Basic three years ago is as pointless as listing that was the lunch entree at the DFAC yesterday.
The entire article is in desperate need of some valid references. Starting with the Army Program of Instruction.
If you'd like to help create the remaining sections for individual weeks of BCT, information can be found at this URL:
07:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
U.S. Army AIT is for enlisted personnel, so Engineer School should not link to the Engineer Officer's Course. Also, Air Assault school is not a part of IET. The list of AIT's should lead to the correct articles that exist, or be deleted. Dirteater13 17:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
The Advanced Individual Training article describes a part of US Army Basic Training, and is a stub. I feel it would better serve as a section of this article.
01:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
AIT is NOT a part of Basic Training and should not have been merged into an article about US Army BT.
Nor is OSUT part of Basic Training. OSUT covers the same basic soldier skills but is part of an integrated MOS-specific training plan while BT is MOS non-specific and is a stand-alone training program.
I have no idea where the idea of separate hourly "Fire Guard(s)" came from, but the USArmy uses the CQ for the fire guard during the BCT/IET/AIT phases. The CQ does hourly rounds which includes the duty of fire guard, and there is no "waking" of another guard as each hour ticks past. This reference should be deleted if noone else can recall it's current supposed "usage." Please disregard this notation if it's specific implementation has occurred universally in the last few years I am not aware of. If the practice is MOS specific, it should be listed here by MOS reference...separate hourly "Fire Guard" is not a part of the Fort Sam Houston AMEDD series IET/AIT MOS duties. In addition, CQ was the reponsibility of 1 soldier under the supervision of the Drill Sergeant/Platoon Sergeant, not 2 as listed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ren99 ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I was in service 96-99, so my experience is much more current than yours. Also please note I do not state "recent change" ever in my comments, you have chosen to insert the reference. In addition, I specifically state that "MOS specific" differences may exist, and should you have had a different experience it would be to your advantage to state it, and not postulate. In particular the Combat Arms (infantry, etc) most likely follow a separate protocol than the Med Corps; listing the disparities would help to establish your opinion vs my own. The most beneficial result would be the merging of these differences, but that cannot be effectively achieved until everyone reports in their own experiences. Your experiences are not universal, nor were mine; as such a convergence should be explored. Ren99 ( talk) 07:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Your term of service is not the matter. We appreciate your service. The title of the section was not the matter, I referred it to my response only. I served at many different stations, including overseas; where you served was not the matter, I stated the various arms may well function differently. That you took offense is your issue, and was not the matter of statement here. The Army is a professoinal organization; if you can't take the input vs what you feel is correct is not my concern and is your matter. If you don't want to participate in discussion, don't say anything at all as you are NEVER always correct; nor am I. That you cannot take criticism as a matter of learning is your matter, not mine. This is Wikipedia, an online informational open source format; write your congressman if you don't like it. Ren99 ( talk) 11:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
How about how it's getting softer? Like how recruits can have cell phones and cd players now? Perhaps under a "Recent changes" section? Just a thought. Parsecboy 12:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
BCT is not the same as IET. BCT in the USArmy is 9 weeks long. This is your boot camp training/basic combat training. Failure to pass BCT results in dismissal from the military. IET is training for your initial MOS and includes both BCT and AIT. Failure to pass IET results in reclassification of your MOS. These are important differences to consider when making statements concerning training environments. Ren99 ( talk) 07:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC) AIT is also for soldiers who just completed basic and are qualifying for a MOS. Niteshift36 ( talk) 07:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC) Thanks, I just revised my prior listing for accuracy. Ren99 ( talk) 08:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I added Unreferenced tag to the Overview section. The first citation doesn't appear in the article until we get down to Locations. I note that even on this Talk page, most of the conversation is compare/contrast of individual experiences. This article needs more objective references and less "back in my day" commentary. Advice about what to expect in IET would make for a better blog than a Wikipedia article. Canute ( talk) 14:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
The Victory Tower we used at Relaxin' Jackson did include rope ladders and rope bridges, as well as the single rope you had to lie down on and slide on. Can't remember what that's called, I'm on 24 hour staff duty at the moment, and am a bit tired :) Thanks for fixing those misspellings. I blame it on being tired too ;). Parsecboy 09:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
to say that jackson and benning are identical is just false. benning is much harder than jackson. no doubt. i went to jackson and the guys who went to benning told me of things that we never, unfortunately, endured at jackson. benning is harder no doubt, but the army as a whole is easier than it used to be because the recruit you get isnt as hard as he/she once was. i will say this thought, and that is that dicipline and being a good soldier is a choice. no drill sgt is going to make you a good soldier. you make that choice and i know this because although fort benning is harder, the biggest shi*bags came out of benning. they all claimed to be "real" soldiers, but they had no dicipline whatsoever and didnt live up to the army values for the most part. Ethmegdav ( talk) 04:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in here but if you completed training and perform your duties as they are expected of you then you are a "real "soldier" regardless of where you went to BCT and AIT. Jersey John ( talk) 11:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
daily, especially in the beginning, wake up is anwhere from 3 am to 4 am because tow the line is around 4am or 5 am. Ethmegdav ( talk) 01:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't know about other Basic training site but I just got back from Fort Leonard Wood and our barracks were one building with each platoon having a floor to themselves. The way this article describes them it sounds more like each platoon had there own building. I don't know about other BCT sites but thats what I experienced at Fort Leonard Wood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codeman177 ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I was curious about the training of the US army and the British army and how they differ both in length and difficulty? I thought that someone here may know the specific details. cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.77.136.76 ( talk) 22:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Do people in army line up in a more efficient way? I looked up the article about Queue and I can't find how or why people in army line up. 118.169.96.88 ( talk) 13:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
A curiosity popped into my head. I'm wondering in regards to AIT. How does it work out. So, once a recruit finishes basic training, they go on to more weeks of training for their MOS. Most new recruits are usually college age. So for serviceman attending college, how do they find time do their AIT? I guess they'd have to put it off until summer. But say they're at a college that has summer courses, like a community college or other 2-year schools. I guess they'd have to put it off until they graduate. There's the time issue and their AIT may take place at a base far from where they live. How do they get time to do it, and is their a limit to how long it can be put off? -- 71.214.245.4 ( talk) 03:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no history of basic training? It has changed quite a bit during the years. This is especially true regarding physical contact and so called abusive language. 03:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.234.225 ( talk)
Recently the US Army has released some major changes to the BCT system. A good source can be found at http://www.military.com/news/article/army-news/the-top-ten-basic-training-changes.html?ESRC=army-a.nl, I hope someone is watching this. Sadads ( talk) 12:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Obviously the entire article isn't a copy vio, so if the editor who decided to tie up the entire article with a copyvio notice, then fail to state what part is the problem, would like to be specific, perhaps we can get the article fixed. Niteshift36 ( talk) 22:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
First off... it's not a matter of me not doing my homework -- the template info (see: here) isn't that detailed. It doesn't say anything about discussions. I saw the clear violation, followed the instructions listed there, slapped the template on the article and called it a night. The template itself is a lot more detailed than the directions on how to use it are. Second -- You gave up waiting for the URL? The URL you are referring about is clearly listed on the template which now covers the article page. You didn't see that?
Look, I think you might be the one that is failing to grasp something here: the article was almost a complete copyright violation in and of itself. What exactly would you have proposed discussing? It was like a house that needed everything but the windows replaced. Seriously. And considering (after the fact) that you yourself were hasty enough to make the snap decision to revert the article by removing the template (until you realized that it wasn't a .gov website... something I did look into myself before I made the call BTW) and going with my gut on interpreting your own snap judgement, do you think my bet would've been on a reasonable discussion had I even known to bring it up here first? And for the record, it wasn't my intent to leave anyone in the dark -- I was trying to leave a link and a note in the editing comment when my hand hit 'enter' right after that colon at the end of the word see: in the edit summary. The see: that I was going to direct concerned editors to was this.
And lastly, doing my homework before my 'ridiculous assertion' about your not having served? What, you think I'm a wiki-stalker that goes and checks up on who is who before I make a comment? When I went through Benning back in 1990, we called it 'chow' and the 'chow hall', and when we called meals breakfast, lunch or dinner, we did pushups. So apparently it's not a standardized regulation put out by TRADOC and/or enforced universally by Drill Sergeants. Maybe we've both learned something... or maybe not. Maybe we can continue arguing about it, or maybe not. That part is up to you. Ryecatcher773 ( talk) 08:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This whole issue could have been fixed with a little bit of discussion, and a little bit more citations. Instead, someone had to escalate it to a whole new level. It is not a copyright vio. This shitstorm could have been avoided. A research paper without quotes is plagiarism, a paper with quotes is research. The job of armybasic.org is to provide information to the recruit. The job of this article is to do the exact same thing. Nate1028 ( talk) 19:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Basic Training is designed to be extremely intense, and individuals who have experienced it generally consider it to have been the most challenging experience of their lives.
Basic Training is designed to be highly intense and challenging.
This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier, from the proper way to respect a superior officer to the correct way to fire weapons
This is where individuals learn about the fundamentals of being a soldier, from combat techniques to the proper way to address a superior.
It's not just a matter of forcing people to look an inch over; rather, since people don't necessarily already know which Army bases are located where, they have to skim through the rest of list to find the link they want, instead of being able to click it when they've already found the item that interests them.
Eg. List of bus routes in London has everything linked, even duplicates located just a few items apart (Hammersmith, for example, has a duplicate just two items down).
This is more intuitive for a list because a list is a reference, rather than a linear narrative like paragraphs are. You generally read a paragraph from beginning to end, so seeing the same word linked multiple times can be obtrusive. There's no reason to avoid that in lists, because they are more often used by skimming for a particular item and clicking its related links, rather than reading through. Equazcion (talk) 22:38, 28 Jan 2012 (UTC)
These are both verifiable and relevant, not sure why anyone would remove them. Summary says they're "trivia"? I don't see how. It's no more trivial than several other items in the Overview section, and they all belong as well. Any article attempting to provide an overview of Basic Training should include these rather prominent aspects of it. Equazcion (talk) 21:48, 2 Jan 2013 (UTC)
Re. Your ownership allegation towards me: [6] "If anyone is exhibiting ownership and acting in bad faith, it's you my friend."
"I've discussed how the information could be added into the article in a proper context."... This is essentially saying you think the info could be added if presented in a different way. The trivia guideline (whether or not you made reference to it) covers such a scenario, in saying you shouldn't be removing info just because it's presented poorly. Work on changing its presentation if you want, but in the interim a poor presentation is not justification for removal. Equazcion (talk) 19:18, 3 Jan 2013 (UTC)
Observation: Greetings, I just stumbled onto this article and thought it would be worthwhile for me to voice out my opinion on this - An overview is supposed to be just an overview, while there are too many subheadings at present, those paragraphs recently removed do however seem to be an integral aspect of training. That said, the overview is way too detailed, and at its present form, the average reader is not going to want to read it at all. (I certainly wasn't able to get past the 3rd paragraph). I believe the way forward would be to condense "Hydration" and "Memorization" as well as similar sections together, possibly under a new heading called "Training conditions" or something similar. I hope this helps a little, please dont take editing too seriously guys. - A1candidate ( talk) 21:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I said they're important because "a civilian who wants to know about Basic Training and the major life change it represents" would see it as just "as important -- if not more so" than the physical training, "because they're not as obvious or well-known in popular culture." Having to drink a half to one-and-a-half quarts of water every hour throughout the day is a major change from civilian life, as is having to suddenly memorize such a large volume of text for recitation. Basic Training is about the major change from civilian life, that the Army lays on in excess during Basic in order to drive it in and condition, create a new frame of reference and a new mental reflex. These aspects are as much a part of that as any of the other training aspects. I'm not seeing any particular reason to exclude them, other than you saying you don't think they're as memorable (to "vets"?). Equazcion (talk) 19:16, 7 Jan 2013 (UTC)
I suppose we could blame all the readers whose first aid training isn't up-to-date and nevertheless write the article for those who've kept current, but, no, I don't think that's reasonable. I'd be open to a change in presentation from the separate sections to condensed paragraphs, as long as the information in general is restored, as "A1candidate" agreed above. Shall we get started on that? Equazcion (talk) 16:42, 8 Jan 2013 (UTC)
Drill sergeants are the instructors that are responsible for most of the training that takes place in Basic Training. They accompany recruits throughout the training process, instructing and correcting them in everything from firing weapons to the correct way to address a superior, and are also largely responsible for the safety of recruits. They are recognizable by their distinctive headgear, often called "Smokey the Bear" hats, as they resemble that character's round park ranger-style hat.
Dude, they are correctly referred to as campaign hats. At best, smokey-the-bear is slang; at worst, an insult.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_hat johncheverly 00:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
"Basic" or Initial Entry Training is a completely separate matter from Advanced Individual Training. Even those MOSs that use the One Station Unit Training (OSUT) plan make a clear distinction between basic training and MOS training.
Why does my Honorable Discharge have the date of basic training instead of my date of separation that was 3 years later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.35.48.25 ( talk) 16:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The lede claims that "the challenge comes as much from the difficulty of physical training as it does from the required quick psychological adjustment ...". This sounds like its copied directly from Army PR material. It requires an authoratiative reference citation (which would show drop-outs are equally likely to be due to NON-PHYSICAL factors (that is, many drop-outs are easily passing the physical challenges) as to failed Physical Tests. I doubt it is true. Secondly the lede claims:"...it introduces...a strict daily schedule... for which most civilians are not immediately ready." Again, the same objections a) lifted from PR b) requires authoratative reference. And again, I doubt it is true (unless, when it refers to "civilians", it means 18-22 year old children..er sorry "young adults" and if so it should say so.). The lede also seems to confuse IET and AIT. There is nothing "quick" about spending a year 'adjusting' in an AIT, for example. (And the implication that the physical demands continue after IET is just not true, in terms of intensity - which is what is being discussed.) Plus, who knows what "immediately ready" means? compared to being ready "some day"?? Sound without meaning 216.96.76.79 ( talk) 02:29, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Under the Locations section, the article says there are 4 basic training locations and cites a 2010 article. I found a 2020 article from MilitaryOneSource that says there are 5, including Fort Knox. Can anyone confirm? Army Basic Training: What to Expect Canute ( talk) 13:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
One question. I'm looking at this article, and I realize that it doesn't say anything about the NCO rank that usually handles the reception battalion phase. Like, is it a corporal, a specialist, what? Faith15 17:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
So in the section about the Reception Battalion (RECBN) period, it says it takes 4 to 10 days. However, in the actual Basic Combat Training (BCT) chapter, it says it takes 3 to 5 days. Which one is correct? Faith15 19:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)