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Hi all. Calling the UK a great power in the lead seems contentious/subjective to me -- I don't think a broad spectrum of experts would unanimously agree this is the case ("great power" is itself as subjective label, and my impression is that the US and China are currently the two countries most commonly referred to as GP's by IR scholars). Also, of the four sources supplied, two are linked to the UK military, and the other two are conservative-leaning British sources. The claim seems to reflect unintentional (British) bias through source selection.
Also, Britain's influence/power is discussed in two separate lead paragraphs, with noticeable overlap. The second paragraph says "...the British Empire which, at its height in the 1920s, encompassed almost a quarter of the world's landmass and population, and was the largest empire in history. A part of the core Anglophonic world, British influence can be observed in the language, culture, legal and political systems of many of its former colonies.
...while the third paragraph says "the UK became the world's first industrialised country and was the foremost power during the 19th and early 20th centuries, a period of unchallenged global hegemony known as "Pax Britannica". In the 21st century, the UK remains a great power and has significant economic, cultural, military, scientific, technological and political influence.
To my eyes, the current text is unnecessarily repetitious about Britain's (and its empire's) influence. Perhaps there can be a clearer separation between the lead's overview of history and current day UK, and/or perhaps the proportion of the text dedicated to statistics about its economic clout/cultural influence (much of the 3rd para.) could be shortened and replaced with some sentences on other aspects of the UK today (e.g. demographics/geography/other areas of note such as music/universities). I'm aware large changes to this lead are controversial, I'm simply offering my comments/seeking feedback. Keen to hear others' thoughts! Jr8825 • Talk 19:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
require a verifiable source, or a retraction" as you inaccurately claim. 86.17.129.72 ( talk) 22:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
I still think there should be a part about the UK having signifiant cultural and scientific power in the 21st century.-- 213.122.240.20 ( talk) 08:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
"A part of the core Anglophonic world, British influence can be observed in the language, culture, legal and political systems of many of its former colonies". I think the "having significant scientific power in the 21st century" is a little less significant/more subjective than the importance of the cultural/legal influence of Britain because of its empire, which is why I chose to keep that sentence, don't ultimately I don't strongly mind which sentence we use -- the problem is that with both it's repetitious/undue. Jr8825 • Talk 13:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
References
The census data on this page is from 2011. Is there a reason the 2021 Census results are not being used?
https://census.gov.uk/census-2021-results DWMemories ( talk) 10:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
The uk is not a country in its own right. The term "United Kingdom" refers to a sovereign state that is comprised of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Each of these countries has its own distinct legal and education systems, as well as varying degrees of devolved powers. While the United Kingdom is commonly referred to as a country, it is more accurately described as a political union or a state composed of multiple countries. Here are a few key points to support the argument that the United Kingdom is not a country: Sovereignty: The United Kingdom is a sovereign state that exercises authority and represents its citizens on the international stage. However, the countries within the United Kingdom also have a certain level of sovereignty and can make decisions on specific policy areas that fall under their devolved powers. Legal Systems: Each country within the United Kingdom has its own distinct legal system. England and Wales share a legal system, while Scotland and Northern Ireland have separate legal frameworks. This further emphasizes the separate legal identities of the constituent countries. Education Systems: The education systems in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland also have differences in curriculum, assessment methods, and governance. This highlights the autonomy and distinctiveness of each country within the United Kingdom. Devolution: Over the years, various powers have been devolved from the UK Parliament to the governments of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. This devolution of powers allows these countries to govern certain policy areas, such as health, education, and transportation, independently from the central UK government. National Identity: Each constituent country within the United Kingdom has its own national identity, cultural heritage, symbols, and traditions. This distinctiveness contributes to the recognition of these countries as separate entities rather than a singular country. While the United Kingdom is a political union that operates as a single entity in many international contexts, it is important to acknowledge and respect the distinct identities and autonomy of the constituent countries within it. Jackwdj ( talk) 10:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
The religious data shows as being in 2011, and is highly inaccurate, as most people from the United Kingdom know, we are no longer in a 50%+ Christian Country, as such I think this needs to be updated, can anyone find the reliable first source this information came from to update this? Wowyoutubethereal ( talk) 19:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
The United Kingdom is NOT the same as Britain. The first paragraph is misleading in this respect. Britain is just England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland is part of the UK but separate from Britain. 82.30.193.7 ( talk) 14:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
United kingdom is 4 countries not a country in itself 84.69.143.149 ( talk) 00:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Currently the lead discusses two recent trade agreements:
It was a member of the
EU until its
withdrawal with a
free trade deal in 2020. The UK is set to join the
CPTPP, a major trade bloc in the
Indo-Pacific, after negotiations regarding its accession concluded in March 2023.
I personally don't think either of these are important enough to be mentioned in the lead of the UK as a whole, per MOS:LEADREL and WP:RECENTISM. In particular, I think giving the CPTPP lead space reflects a current political talking point within the UK (the Conservative Party likes to emphasise its efforts to achieve trade agreements following Brexit). However, there's insufficient evidence to show that the CPTPP will have long term significance to the UK and it's not given significant coverage in the article body, relative to all the other topics subsumed in this country-level article. Comparable articles of the other major countries in the CPTPP don't mention the trade bloc in their leads e.g. Australia, Japan, Canada New Zealand, although some smaller countries do. Given the amount of information to cover here, I don't think it's appropriate. I'd like to find out whether there's a consensus on including/excluding the underlined text. Thanks, Jr8825 • Talk 12:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't think these trade deals are lead-worthy in any case, but especially when the UK is yet to join the CPTPP, it seems totally irrelevant. Londonski ( talk) 13:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
I agree with the tag added today that the article is too long. There seem to have been discussions about this before - see the archives from 2007 and 2011. (As background, the tag on this article, and on Italy's, seem to have been sparked by recent posts on the talk page for France.) Meticulo ( talk) 14:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Attempting to tackle bloat through consolidation of information scattered around the article, but this is temporarily driving up the word count, darn. If other users could cull themes and information which are repeated in some way in different sections of the article, that would massively help with my mission. Londonski ( talk) 13:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
The UK ranks highly for international measures of quality of life, economic freedom, innovation, healthcare and education. However, the UK has one of the highest levels of income inequality in Europe and is one of the most regionally unequal high-income countries in the world''
I think this recent addition is not needed. Countries with higher income inequality in Europe does not have this mentioned in their lead Wikipedia articles. It seems very one sided.
148.252.128.251 ( talk) 23:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't think it makes the article one-sided, rather it actually adds balance as the lead overwhelmingly praises the UK economy based on international measures mentioned above. The UK is notable for having higher income inequality than any other country in Western Europe (including Italy, France, Spain, etc). THIS IS SOURCED. On regional inequality, it is the second most regionally unequal in Europe after Bulgaria. Again, this is sourced. The lead gives a fair summary of the UK economy according to international measures overall on this basis. Londonski ( talk) 13:38, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
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Remove However, the UK has the highest levels of income inequality in Western Europe[29] and is one of the most regionally unequal high-income countries in the world. from the top lead.
In fact, I'd go far to say this whole section needs a rewrite. Remove quality of life and just have The UK ranks highly for international measures of economic freedom, innovation, healthcare and education. 86.173.216.66 ( talk) 14:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Statement is reliably-sources, however required modificaton in this
diff to say "*among* the highest levels". Also added an OECD citation showing it among the highest in that organization.
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Hi, I'm new to wiki so can't edit this page but the short description needs to be fixed. It currently says the UK is "composed of GB and NI" when it surely should be "comprised of GB and NI".
Flixcat ( talk) 19:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
At the end of the section on climate, under the topic of geography, it says:"United Kingdom is ranked 2nd out of 180 countries in the Environmental Performance Index." Why use the EPI in the context of climate and especially climate change (since it is said under the heading of climate and the next sentence is on net-zero policies)? It is the CCPI that looks at emissions, energy and climate policy and it places the UK on the eleventh spot of their EU ranking. It seems a bit misleading, even somewhat propagandist, to refer to an index of en environmental values, in which The Uk does well, in this place of the article. 2A00:23C8:8B82:D601:C5FF:F601:3DEF:9D26 ( talk) 07:14, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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94.123.206.75 ( talk) 22:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible if it is not already to protect the article to prevent the term “country” being changed as per WP:CONSENSUS (confirmed by RFC)?.
I can see the topic popping up quite a bit and unless there is a change to the consensus the article should not change. ChefBear01 ( talk) 17:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Add in a link for Edinburgh with this link /info/en/?search=Edinburgh Scotsbloke ( talk) 07:01, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
There is no information in the infobox, or anywhere in the article about the deputy prime minister. The U.S. article has the vice president in the infobox, so I see no reason why the UK article shouldn't have the equivalent. Opok2021 ( talk) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Why is the following The United Kingdom has a divisive reputation in regards to LGBT issues; while same-sex marriage is generally supported, the British government has been criticised for propagating transphobic rhetoric in culture?
For one, the UK doesn't have a divisive reputation in regards to LGBT issues; and secondarly, there is no need to add this to the page at all. Best keep up for the LGBT in the United Kingdom page. 109.158.64.25 ( talk) 03:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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See above. 109.158.64.25 ( talk) 03:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Under economy, change the end text to sound more balanced.
Before (currently):
The United Kingdom has among the highest levels of income inequality in Europe and the OECD, and is one of the most regionally unequal high-income countries in the world.
After:
The United Kingdom has among the highest levels of income inequality the OECD. However, it has a very high Human Development Index ranking.
This also cuts some bloat.
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I'm opening a discussion about the arrangement of the coats of arms and flag in the infobox. Version 1 (the current version) was introduced in November 2021, without discussion. Conversely, version 2 was originally introduced as a BOLD edit in March 2020, which gained consensus following a talk page discussion.
In my opinion version 1 is very unsatisfactory, as the two versions of the arms are separated by the national anthem bar and the placement of the non-Scottish version of the arms next to the flag implies it is superior to the Scottish version. Version 2 is much better, as it places the arms next to each other and the flag looks perfectly fine centred above. The exact size of the flag and arms are worth discussing, and possibly the caption, but I believe a shift back to version 2 would be an improvement to the article. A.D.Hope ( talk) 02:01, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if someone can revise the census population for the 2021-22 Scottish, Northern Irish and English & Welsh censuses.
The 2021-22 population of the United Kingdom according to these censuses was 66,937,075.
Northern Ireland source: https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/census/2021-census#:~:text=Information%20on%20Census%202021%20in,in%20Northern%20Ireland%20was%20768%2C810. England and Wales source: https://census.gov.uk/census-2021-results/phase-one-first-results Scotland source: https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/2022-results/scotland-s-census-2022-rounded-population-estimates/#section8
AlloDoon ( talk) 13:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest we return wording in this section of the infobox to the example above, as it was changed without consensus recently. Bokmanrocks01 ( talk) 14:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
In 1775 united kingdom and France Germany Spain from the war were to the Germany empire state of thousand years Of history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8080:5D07:7C48:A80C:D29A:B2C:B011 ( talk) 21:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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Under the the 'Wales' subheading for the 'Devolved Governments' section there seems to be two misplaced sentences referring to the Northern Irish Assembly/ Executive and not Wales. These two sentences should be moved/removed.
The article should now read:
Since 1999, Wales has a devolved national government and legislature, known as the Senedd. Elections to the Senedd use the additional member system. They have more limited powers than those devolved to Scotland.[203] The Senedd is able to legislate on any matter not specifically reserved to the UK Parliament through Acts of Senedd Cymru. The current Welsh Government is Labour, led by First Minister Mark Drakeford, who has been the First Minister since 2018. Local government in Wales consists of 22 unitary authorities, each led by a leader and cabinet elected by the council itself.
Instead of:
Since 1999, Wales has a devolved national government and legislature, known as the Senedd. Elections to the Senedd use the additional member system. They have more limited powers than those devolved to Scotland.[203] The Senedd is able to legislate on any matter not specifically reserved to the UK Parliament through Acts of Senedd Cymru. The Northern Ireland Executive and Assembly have powers similar to those devolved to Scotland. The Executive is led by a diarchy representing unionist and nationalist members of the Assembly.[204] The current Welsh Government is Labour, led by First Minister Mark Drakeford, who has been the First Minister since 2018. Local government in Wales consists of 22 unitary authorities, each led by a leader and cabinet elected by the council itself. Owaindyfed ( talk) 19:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Ive reverted 2 attempts to re-add the Religion parameter in the Infobox with sole recognition of the CoE. [1] [2]. If the parameter is to be there it should be a demographic breakdown of religions per census as per other countries. In fact, that's what it always used to be but at some point it seems to have come out of the Infobox. I couldn't find any discussion on that - last discussion I could find was in 2022 - may be I missed it. In any case, I I'm neutral as to whether it has a Religion parameter but if there is one it shouldn't have an arbitrary sole reference to the CoE. DeCausa ( talk) 18:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to raise the issue of the coats of arms again, as the previous discussion didn't lead to a new consensus (regardless of the outcome). As it stands, the only arrangement of the infobox coats of arms which I know to have any form of consensus is this one, which uses the 'other_symbol' field to place the two coats of arms side-by-side. It was BOLDly introduced in March 2020, gained consensus, but was then changed for unknown reasons in November 2021.
There are two primary reasons to use the 2020 arrangement. The first is that both arms have equal status, despite the 'non-Scottish' version being far more widely used. The Scottish version is used by various Scottish institutions including the Scottish Parliament, the Office of the Secretary of State for Scotland (you may need to squint) the judiciary, and the monarchy in Scotland. Elements from it are used by bodies such as Police Scotland and Royal Mail in Scotland. In the original discussion there was a debate about what 'primary symbol – Scotland' meant in the UK Government Identity Guidelines, but I think this is a secondary issue when there are plenty of examples of the Scottish version being used as the royal arms in relation to Scotland.
The second reason is aesthetic. It just looks better to have both coats of arms next to each other than to have them separated by the national anthem bar. A.D.Hope ( talk) 23:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Do Scottish residents get issued passports with the Scottish coat of arms? It does seem like in practice that there is a primary coat of arms for the UK as whole. I still oppose changing the format moving the UK coat of arms down. - Bokmanrocks01 ( talk)
The UK's core territory borders the Republic of Ireland and based on our other articles about countries located on islands (e.g. Haiti, Ireland. Dominican Republic, Papua New Guinea) the lead sentence should just say:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a country in Northwestern Europe, off the north-western coast of the continental mainland. The helper5667 ( talk) 20:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
The sentences "the UK consists of three distinct legal jurisdictions: England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. This is due to these areas retaining their existing legal systems even after joining the UK"
seem unnecessary for the lead; I propose cutting them or mentioning legal differences in the following sentence about devolution, but would like to hear others' thoughts/suggestions.
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Talk 01:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
I challenge the idea that the UK commonly being referred to as Britain should be present in the lead, particularly without the clarifer that this would be considered colloquial. While Northern Irish people are entitled to a British and Irish passport, including Northern Island in "Britain" is a topic of debate.
Great Britain, which is shortened to Britain, excludes Northern Island, and formally constitutes only the three countries of England, Scotland and Wales. Wrehhn ( talk) 22:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
In the lead I've just restored country for the UK description & left no description for England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, aside from that they comprised the UK. Was there another RFC held since, with a different outcome? Because since then, someone had replaced country with island country (I've since restored the status quo). Also, somebody added countries to describe England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland (I've since deleted to the status quo) in the lead. IMHO, adding that description for England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, only creates confusion, when we've already decided to call the UK a country. I'm just wondering, is the aforementioned RFC been overturned, concerning the lead of this page? GoodDay ( talk) 23:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Contacting @ Giraffedata:, who closed the 2022 RFC-in-question. GoodDay ( talk) 23:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Change "The Proms is a classical music festival held at the Royal Albert Hall which regularly plays music by Edward Elgar and Henry Wood." to "The Proms is a classical music festival, most closely associated with Henry Wood and held at the Royal Albert Hall, which regularly plays music by Edward Elgar and other British composers". (Henry Wood was a conductor, not a composer.) Cjholula ( talk) 20:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I think that the flag proportions are incorrect on the Wikipedia page.
The flag proportions are currently 1:2 however those are specifically the proportions on sea and most people will be viewing Wikipedia on land where the proportions are 3:5. I suggest changing the flag in the infobox to the 3:5 land flag or better yet putting both in the infobox and specifying which one is for land and which one is for sea.
Sources: [3] https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-approved-designs, [4] https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/uk-flags/union-flag-specification/ and [5] https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmbills/065/08065.i-i.html (this one is only a bill and only specifies the land proportions)
TL;DR: Add the land version of the flag to the infobox.
Arcchie ( talk) 15:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
UK 2021 ethnicity White: 81.7% Asian: 9.3% Black: 4.2% Mixed: 2.9% Other: 2.1%
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The UK has three territories in the Mediterranean: Gibraltar, Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus, and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus, that aren't shown in the "overseas territories and economic exclusive zones" map. Hsn.frrr ( talk) 17:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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Replace the Brexit protest image under 21st century with this image of Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral and Procession, considering it's the UK's biggest moment in the 21st century (so far) and likely will be for a number of decades. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 ( talk) 11:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Tweedle, regarding this edit, can I remind you about Talk:United Kingdom/Archive 37#The UK isn't just England and Wales? Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Can we replace the Brexit protest image under 21st century with this image of Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral and Procession, considering it's the UK's biggest moment in the 21st century (so far) and likely will be for a number of decades. Open to hear your views. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 ( talk) 23:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Something that has changed about the anthem it used to be "God Save the King", but now it's "God Save the Queen". 50.86.215.230 ( talk) 19:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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I need to edit a mistake on the 3rd section also add a section on medieval times.
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Hello, I am Cleter, and I would like to begin by stating that the conversion of the land area in the UK reads as follows:
The total area of the United Kingdom is 94,060 square miles (243,610 km2), with an estimated 2022 population of nearly 67 million people.
I suggest the following change in accordance to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Unit_choice_and_order which includes:
As you can see, none of these circumstances are applicable to the article. Therefore, I request that the sentence in green be readjusted to this (including the 2 sources):
The total area of the United Kingdom is 243,610 square kilometres (94,060 mi2), with an estimated 2022 population of nearly 67 million people.
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@ 117PXL: You seem to misunderstand "bias" and "neutrality" as it operates on Wikipedia. Please read WP:BRD, self-revert and discuss your edit here. DeCausa ( talk) 12:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Under "History - Postwar 20th Century" it is stated that the UK was a founding member of today's EU. It was not. The UK was not a signatory of the Treaty of Rome and therefore not a founding member of the EEC (present-day EU). In fact, its request to join the bloc was vetoed by France, twice. Please correct this mistake. Pandrej01 ( talk) 22:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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Do we really need to list England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland in the infobox? Most (if not all) other independent countries (sovereign states) don't seem to list their components in their infoboxes. GoodDay ( talk) 00:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
This infobox template is used to generate an infobox for the right-hand side of two specific types of article: on a country or territory, or on a geopolitical organisation.It then gives the syntax, separately, for Infobox Country and Infobox Geopolitical organisation. The "Membership" parameter, not surprisingly, is only given for the geopolitical organisation. It is omitted from Infobox country. As one would expect, the EU infobox begins
Infobox geopolitical organisation. That's why it's there. The "Membership" parameter has been wrongly inserted in the Infobox country in this article. DeCausa ( talk) 20:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Under the transport sub-section of the economy section, the sentence about the Elizabeth line:
"It was Europe's largest construction project at the time and will bring in an estimated £42 billion to the UK economy."
should have a wording change as the predicted income is speculative. I suggest changing to:
"It was Europe's largest construction project at the time and is estimated to bring in £42 billion to the UK economy." Wind Orange ( talk) 02:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
We have a whole subsection in the Politics section on a dozen and a half peripheral (mostly) island territories that are not part of the UK. The level of coverage in this article (4 paragraphs and a very large and intrusive map - by far the largest map in the article) is a mystery. Their total population (BOTs and CDs combined) is only c. half a million and, in any case, we have full coverage in Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories. It's out of scope of this article and, for such a minor part of British governance, has far too much detail for WP:BALASP and WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. In fact, it gives the impression of some sort of residual 1970s-style post-imperial angst.
I suggest deleting the Dependencies section and replacing it with this additional 5th paragraph in the beginning of the Politics section:
Although not part of the United Kingdom, the three Crown Dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man and 14 British Overseas Territories across the globe are subject to the sovereignty of the British Crown. The Crown exercises its responsibilities in relation to the Crown Dependencies through the British government's Home Office and for the British Overseas Territories through the Foreign Office. [1]
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Any support for this? DeCausa ( talk) 21:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Does the current structure make sense? I'd imagine if you're not British (or even if you are) you'd be left quite confused by it. We have Scot/NI/Welsh local govt. covered in both sections. In terms of hierarchy it goes from top (UK) level in the previous section to lowest level (local govt) then middle (devolved) level but that "middle" level only tells you about 3 countries. You have to guess what the situation in England is.
It seems to me more logical for there to be an Admin divisions section which (1) starts off with the historical paragraph as now albeit expanded to say that the UK pre-1998 was highly centralized. (2) Then talk about how Devolution developed in general terms. (3) then have sections on each of the 4 countries (with heading for each) which covers not only the devolved institutions but also local government. In the England section it would explicitly cover how the UK institutions effectively continue to cover England - with something about the West Lothian question issues. I was going to go ahead and WP:BEBOLD but I know that some might have issue with not having a specific section on Devolution. I'll press on unless there are objections. DeCausa ( talk) 21:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia constantly lies and is full of chronic misinformation. Out of respect for all those that you, Wikipedia, have been disrespecting world wide, I request you delete all pages with statements about the English language being American, and International English being the English language. English is from England. Not America. English is not International English, it is English! Call the American language what it is. American. Never call the UK a country! The UK is four different countries united! Stop being one of the most disrespectful, lying website's in the internet, full of chronic misinformation.
I am tired of correcting your pages and having my words replaced with lies! Name7528798543 ( talk) 09:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi all. Calling the UK a great power in the lead seems contentious/subjective to me -- I don't think a broad spectrum of experts would unanimously agree this is the case ("great power" is itself as subjective label, and my impression is that the US and China are currently the two countries most commonly referred to as GP's by IR scholars). Also, of the four sources supplied, two are linked to the UK military, and the other two are conservative-leaning British sources. The claim seems to reflect unintentional (British) bias through source selection.
Also, Britain's influence/power is discussed in two separate lead paragraphs, with noticeable overlap. The second paragraph says "...the British Empire which, at its height in the 1920s, encompassed almost a quarter of the world's landmass and population, and was the largest empire in history. A part of the core Anglophonic world, British influence can be observed in the language, culture, legal and political systems of many of its former colonies.
...while the third paragraph says "the UK became the world's first industrialised country and was the foremost power during the 19th and early 20th centuries, a period of unchallenged global hegemony known as "Pax Britannica". In the 21st century, the UK remains a great power and has significant economic, cultural, military, scientific, technological and political influence.
To my eyes, the current text is unnecessarily repetitious about Britain's (and its empire's) influence. Perhaps there can be a clearer separation between the lead's overview of history and current day UK, and/or perhaps the proportion of the text dedicated to statistics about its economic clout/cultural influence (much of the 3rd para.) could be shortened and replaced with some sentences on other aspects of the UK today (e.g. demographics/geography/other areas of note such as music/universities). I'm aware large changes to this lead are controversial, I'm simply offering my comments/seeking feedback. Keen to hear others' thoughts! Jr8825 • Talk 19:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
require a verifiable source, or a retraction" as you inaccurately claim. 86.17.129.72 ( talk) 22:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
I still think there should be a part about the UK having signifiant cultural and scientific power in the 21st century.-- 213.122.240.20 ( talk) 08:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
"A part of the core Anglophonic world, British influence can be observed in the language, culture, legal and political systems of many of its former colonies". I think the "having significant scientific power in the 21st century" is a little less significant/more subjective than the importance of the cultural/legal influence of Britain because of its empire, which is why I chose to keep that sentence, don't ultimately I don't strongly mind which sentence we use -- the problem is that with both it's repetitious/undue. Jr8825 • Talk 13:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
References
The census data on this page is from 2011. Is there a reason the 2021 Census results are not being used?
https://census.gov.uk/census-2021-results DWMemories ( talk) 10:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
The uk is not a country in its own right. The term "United Kingdom" refers to a sovereign state that is comprised of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Each of these countries has its own distinct legal and education systems, as well as varying degrees of devolved powers. While the United Kingdom is commonly referred to as a country, it is more accurately described as a political union or a state composed of multiple countries. Here are a few key points to support the argument that the United Kingdom is not a country: Sovereignty: The United Kingdom is a sovereign state that exercises authority and represents its citizens on the international stage. However, the countries within the United Kingdom also have a certain level of sovereignty and can make decisions on specific policy areas that fall under their devolved powers. Legal Systems: Each country within the United Kingdom has its own distinct legal system. England and Wales share a legal system, while Scotland and Northern Ireland have separate legal frameworks. This further emphasizes the separate legal identities of the constituent countries. Education Systems: The education systems in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland also have differences in curriculum, assessment methods, and governance. This highlights the autonomy and distinctiveness of each country within the United Kingdom. Devolution: Over the years, various powers have been devolved from the UK Parliament to the governments of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. This devolution of powers allows these countries to govern certain policy areas, such as health, education, and transportation, independently from the central UK government. National Identity: Each constituent country within the United Kingdom has its own national identity, cultural heritage, symbols, and traditions. This distinctiveness contributes to the recognition of these countries as separate entities rather than a singular country. While the United Kingdom is a political union that operates as a single entity in many international contexts, it is important to acknowledge and respect the distinct identities and autonomy of the constituent countries within it. Jackwdj ( talk) 10:34, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
The religious data shows as being in 2011, and is highly inaccurate, as most people from the United Kingdom know, we are no longer in a 50%+ Christian Country, as such I think this needs to be updated, can anyone find the reliable first source this information came from to update this? Wowyoutubethereal ( talk) 19:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
The United Kingdom is NOT the same as Britain. The first paragraph is misleading in this respect. Britain is just England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland is part of the UK but separate from Britain. 82.30.193.7 ( talk) 14:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
United kingdom is 4 countries not a country in itself 84.69.143.149 ( talk) 00:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Currently the lead discusses two recent trade agreements:
It was a member of the
EU until its
withdrawal with a
free trade deal in 2020. The UK is set to join the
CPTPP, a major trade bloc in the
Indo-Pacific, after negotiations regarding its accession concluded in March 2023.
I personally don't think either of these are important enough to be mentioned in the lead of the UK as a whole, per MOS:LEADREL and WP:RECENTISM. In particular, I think giving the CPTPP lead space reflects a current political talking point within the UK (the Conservative Party likes to emphasise its efforts to achieve trade agreements following Brexit). However, there's insufficient evidence to show that the CPTPP will have long term significance to the UK and it's not given significant coverage in the article body, relative to all the other topics subsumed in this country-level article. Comparable articles of the other major countries in the CPTPP don't mention the trade bloc in their leads e.g. Australia, Japan, Canada New Zealand, although some smaller countries do. Given the amount of information to cover here, I don't think it's appropriate. I'd like to find out whether there's a consensus on including/excluding the underlined text. Thanks, Jr8825 • Talk 12:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't think these trade deals are lead-worthy in any case, but especially when the UK is yet to join the CPTPP, it seems totally irrelevant. Londonski ( talk) 13:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
I agree with the tag added today that the article is too long. There seem to have been discussions about this before - see the archives from 2007 and 2011. (As background, the tag on this article, and on Italy's, seem to have been sparked by recent posts on the talk page for France.) Meticulo ( talk) 14:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Attempting to tackle bloat through consolidation of information scattered around the article, but this is temporarily driving up the word count, darn. If other users could cull themes and information which are repeated in some way in different sections of the article, that would massively help with my mission. Londonski ( talk) 13:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
The UK ranks highly for international measures of quality of life, economic freedom, innovation, healthcare and education. However, the UK has one of the highest levels of income inequality in Europe and is one of the most regionally unequal high-income countries in the world''
I think this recent addition is not needed. Countries with higher income inequality in Europe does not have this mentioned in their lead Wikipedia articles. It seems very one sided.
148.252.128.251 ( talk) 23:01, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't think it makes the article one-sided, rather it actually adds balance as the lead overwhelmingly praises the UK economy based on international measures mentioned above. The UK is notable for having higher income inequality than any other country in Western Europe (including Italy, France, Spain, etc). THIS IS SOURCED. On regional inequality, it is the second most regionally unequal in Europe after Bulgaria. Again, this is sourced. The lead gives a fair summary of the UK economy according to international measures overall on this basis. Londonski ( talk) 13:38, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
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Remove However, the UK has the highest levels of income inequality in Western Europe[29] and is one of the most regionally unequal high-income countries in the world. from the top lead.
In fact, I'd go far to say this whole section needs a rewrite. Remove quality of life and just have The UK ranks highly for international measures of economic freedom, innovation, healthcare and education. 86.173.216.66 ( talk) 14:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Statement is reliably-sources, however required modificaton in this
diff to say "*among* the highest levels". Also added an OECD citation showing it among the highest in that organization.
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Hi, I'm new to wiki so can't edit this page but the short description needs to be fixed. It currently says the UK is "composed of GB and NI" when it surely should be "comprised of GB and NI".
Flixcat ( talk) 19:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
At the end of the section on climate, under the topic of geography, it says:"United Kingdom is ranked 2nd out of 180 countries in the Environmental Performance Index." Why use the EPI in the context of climate and especially climate change (since it is said under the heading of climate and the next sentence is on net-zero policies)? It is the CCPI that looks at emissions, energy and climate policy and it places the UK on the eleventh spot of their EU ranking. It seems a bit misleading, even somewhat propagandist, to refer to an index of en environmental values, in which The Uk does well, in this place of the article. 2A00:23C8:8B82:D601:C5FF:F601:3DEF:9D26 ( talk) 07:14, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Is it possible if it is not already to protect the article to prevent the term “country” being changed as per WP:CONSENSUS (confirmed by RFC)?.
I can see the topic popping up quite a bit and unless there is a change to the consensus the article should not change. ChefBear01 ( talk) 17:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Add in a link for Edinburgh with this link /info/en/?search=Edinburgh Scotsbloke ( talk) 07:01, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
There is no information in the infobox, or anywhere in the article about the deputy prime minister. The U.S. article has the vice president in the infobox, so I see no reason why the UK article shouldn't have the equivalent. Opok2021 ( talk) 00:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Why is the following The United Kingdom has a divisive reputation in regards to LGBT issues; while same-sex marriage is generally supported, the British government has been criticised for propagating transphobic rhetoric in culture?
For one, the UK doesn't have a divisive reputation in regards to LGBT issues; and secondarly, there is no need to add this to the page at all. Best keep up for the LGBT in the United Kingdom page. 109.158.64.25 ( talk) 03:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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See above. 109.158.64.25 ( talk) 03:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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Under economy, change the end text to sound more balanced.
Before (currently):
The United Kingdom has among the highest levels of income inequality in Europe and the OECD, and is one of the most regionally unequal high-income countries in the world.
After:
The United Kingdom has among the highest levels of income inequality the OECD. However, it has a very high Human Development Index ranking.
This also cuts some bloat.
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I'm opening a discussion about the arrangement of the coats of arms and flag in the infobox. Version 1 (the current version) was introduced in November 2021, without discussion. Conversely, version 2 was originally introduced as a BOLD edit in March 2020, which gained consensus following a talk page discussion.
In my opinion version 1 is very unsatisfactory, as the two versions of the arms are separated by the national anthem bar and the placement of the non-Scottish version of the arms next to the flag implies it is superior to the Scottish version. Version 2 is much better, as it places the arms next to each other and the flag looks perfectly fine centred above. The exact size of the flag and arms are worth discussing, and possibly the caption, but I believe a shift back to version 2 would be an improvement to the article. A.D.Hope ( talk) 02:01, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if someone can revise the census population for the 2021-22 Scottish, Northern Irish and English & Welsh censuses.
The 2021-22 population of the United Kingdom according to these censuses was 66,937,075.
Northern Ireland source: https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/census/2021-census#:~:text=Information%20on%20Census%202021%20in,in%20Northern%20Ireland%20was%20768%2C810. England and Wales source: https://census.gov.uk/census-2021-results/phase-one-first-results Scotland source: https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/2022-results/scotland-s-census-2022-rounded-population-estimates/#section8
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I suggest we return wording in this section of the infobox to the example above, as it was changed without consensus recently. Bokmanrocks01 ( talk) 14:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
In 1775 united kingdom and France Germany Spain from the war were to the Germany empire state of thousand years Of history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8080:5D07:7C48:A80C:D29A:B2C:B011 ( talk) 21:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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Under the the 'Wales' subheading for the 'Devolved Governments' section there seems to be two misplaced sentences referring to the Northern Irish Assembly/ Executive and not Wales. These two sentences should be moved/removed.
The article should now read:
Since 1999, Wales has a devolved national government and legislature, known as the Senedd. Elections to the Senedd use the additional member system. They have more limited powers than those devolved to Scotland.[203] The Senedd is able to legislate on any matter not specifically reserved to the UK Parliament through Acts of Senedd Cymru. The current Welsh Government is Labour, led by First Minister Mark Drakeford, who has been the First Minister since 2018. Local government in Wales consists of 22 unitary authorities, each led by a leader and cabinet elected by the council itself.
Instead of:
Since 1999, Wales has a devolved national government and legislature, known as the Senedd. Elections to the Senedd use the additional member system. They have more limited powers than those devolved to Scotland.[203] The Senedd is able to legislate on any matter not specifically reserved to the UK Parliament through Acts of Senedd Cymru. The Northern Ireland Executive and Assembly have powers similar to those devolved to Scotland. The Executive is led by a diarchy representing unionist and nationalist members of the Assembly.[204] The current Welsh Government is Labour, led by First Minister Mark Drakeford, who has been the First Minister since 2018. Local government in Wales consists of 22 unitary authorities, each led by a leader and cabinet elected by the council itself. Owaindyfed ( talk) 19:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Ive reverted 2 attempts to re-add the Religion parameter in the Infobox with sole recognition of the CoE. [1] [2]. If the parameter is to be there it should be a demographic breakdown of religions per census as per other countries. In fact, that's what it always used to be but at some point it seems to have come out of the Infobox. I couldn't find any discussion on that - last discussion I could find was in 2022 - may be I missed it. In any case, I I'm neutral as to whether it has a Religion parameter but if there is one it shouldn't have an arbitrary sole reference to the CoE. DeCausa ( talk) 18:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to raise the issue of the coats of arms again, as the previous discussion didn't lead to a new consensus (regardless of the outcome). As it stands, the only arrangement of the infobox coats of arms which I know to have any form of consensus is this one, which uses the 'other_symbol' field to place the two coats of arms side-by-side. It was BOLDly introduced in March 2020, gained consensus, but was then changed for unknown reasons in November 2021.
There are two primary reasons to use the 2020 arrangement. The first is that both arms have equal status, despite the 'non-Scottish' version being far more widely used. The Scottish version is used by various Scottish institutions including the Scottish Parliament, the Office of the Secretary of State for Scotland (you may need to squint) the judiciary, and the monarchy in Scotland. Elements from it are used by bodies such as Police Scotland and Royal Mail in Scotland. In the original discussion there was a debate about what 'primary symbol – Scotland' meant in the UK Government Identity Guidelines, but I think this is a secondary issue when there are plenty of examples of the Scottish version being used as the royal arms in relation to Scotland.
The second reason is aesthetic. It just looks better to have both coats of arms next to each other than to have them separated by the national anthem bar. A.D.Hope ( talk) 23:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Do Scottish residents get issued passports with the Scottish coat of arms? It does seem like in practice that there is a primary coat of arms for the UK as whole. I still oppose changing the format moving the UK coat of arms down. - Bokmanrocks01 ( talk)
The UK's core territory borders the Republic of Ireland and based on our other articles about countries located on islands (e.g. Haiti, Ireland. Dominican Republic, Papua New Guinea) the lead sentence should just say:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a country in Northwestern Europe, off the north-western coast of the continental mainland. The helper5667 ( talk) 20:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
The sentences "the UK consists of three distinct legal jurisdictions: England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. This is due to these areas retaining their existing legal systems even after joining the UK"
seem unnecessary for the lead; I propose cutting them or mentioning legal differences in the following sentence about devolution, but would like to hear others' thoughts/suggestions.
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I challenge the idea that the UK commonly being referred to as Britain should be present in the lead, particularly without the clarifer that this would be considered colloquial. While Northern Irish people are entitled to a British and Irish passport, including Northern Island in "Britain" is a topic of debate.
Great Britain, which is shortened to Britain, excludes Northern Island, and formally constitutes only the three countries of England, Scotland and Wales. Wrehhn ( talk) 22:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
In the lead I've just restored country for the UK description & left no description for England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, aside from that they comprised the UK. Was there another RFC held since, with a different outcome? Because since then, someone had replaced country with island country (I've since restored the status quo). Also, somebody added countries to describe England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland (I've since deleted to the status quo) in the lead. IMHO, adding that description for England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland, only creates confusion, when we've already decided to call the UK a country. I'm just wondering, is the aforementioned RFC been overturned, concerning the lead of this page? GoodDay ( talk) 23:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Contacting @ Giraffedata:, who closed the 2022 RFC-in-question. GoodDay ( talk) 23:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Change "The Proms is a classical music festival held at the Royal Albert Hall which regularly plays music by Edward Elgar and Henry Wood." to "The Proms is a classical music festival, most closely associated with Henry Wood and held at the Royal Albert Hall, which regularly plays music by Edward Elgar and other British composers". (Henry Wood was a conductor, not a composer.) Cjholula ( talk) 20:20, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I think that the flag proportions are incorrect on the Wikipedia page.
The flag proportions are currently 1:2 however those are specifically the proportions on sea and most people will be viewing Wikipedia on land where the proportions are 3:5. I suggest changing the flag in the infobox to the 3:5 land flag or better yet putting both in the infobox and specifying which one is for land and which one is for sea.
Sources: [3] https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-approved-designs, [4] https://www.flaginstitute.org/wp/uk-flags/union-flag-specification/ and [5] https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmbills/065/08065.i-i.html (this one is only a bill and only specifies the land proportions)
TL;DR: Add the land version of the flag to the infobox.
Arcchie ( talk) 15:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
UK 2021 ethnicity White: 81.7% Asian: 9.3% Black: 4.2% Mixed: 2.9% Other: 2.1%
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The UK has three territories in the Mediterranean: Gibraltar, Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus, and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus, that aren't shown in the "overseas territories and economic exclusive zones" map. Hsn.frrr ( talk) 17:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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Replace the Brexit protest image under 21st century with this image of Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral and Procession, considering it's the UK's biggest moment in the 21st century (so far) and likely will be for a number of decades. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 ( talk) 11:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Tweedle, regarding this edit, can I remind you about Talk:United Kingdom/Archive 37#The UK isn't just England and Wales? Cordless Larry ( talk) 20:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Can we replace the Brexit protest image under 21st century with this image of Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral and Procession, considering it's the UK's biggest moment in the 21st century (so far) and likely will be for a number of decades. Open to hear your views. 2A00:23C7:69B1:501:F920:6B33:668A:8436 ( talk) 23:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Something that has changed about the anthem it used to be "God Save the King", but now it's "God Save the Queen". 50.86.215.230 ( talk) 19:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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I need to edit a mistake on the 3rd section also add a section on medieval times.
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Hello, I am Cleter, and I would like to begin by stating that the conversion of the land area in the UK reads as follows:
The total area of the United Kingdom is 94,060 square miles (243,610 km2), with an estimated 2022 population of nearly 67 million people.
I suggest the following change in accordance to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Unit_choice_and_order which includes:
As you can see, none of these circumstances are applicable to the article. Therefore, I request that the sentence in green be readjusted to this (including the 2 sources):
The total area of the United Kingdom is 243,610 square kilometres (94,060 mi2), with an estimated 2022 population of nearly 67 million people.
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@ 117PXL: You seem to misunderstand "bias" and "neutrality" as it operates on Wikipedia. Please read WP:BRD, self-revert and discuss your edit here. DeCausa ( talk) 12:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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Under "History - Postwar 20th Century" it is stated that the UK was a founding member of today's EU. It was not. The UK was not a signatory of the Treaty of Rome and therefore not a founding member of the EEC (present-day EU). In fact, its request to join the bloc was vetoed by France, twice. Please correct this mistake. Pandrej01 ( talk) 22:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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Do we really need to list England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland in the infobox? Most (if not all) other independent countries (sovereign states) don't seem to list their components in their infoboxes. GoodDay ( talk) 00:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
This infobox template is used to generate an infobox for the right-hand side of two specific types of article: on a country or territory, or on a geopolitical organisation.It then gives the syntax, separately, for Infobox Country and Infobox Geopolitical organisation. The "Membership" parameter, not surprisingly, is only given for the geopolitical organisation. It is omitted from Infobox country. As one would expect, the EU infobox begins
Infobox geopolitical organisation. That's why it's there. The "Membership" parameter has been wrongly inserted in the Infobox country in this article. DeCausa ( talk) 20:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Under the transport sub-section of the economy section, the sentence about the Elizabeth line:
"It was Europe's largest construction project at the time and will bring in an estimated £42 billion to the UK economy."
should have a wording change as the predicted income is speculative. I suggest changing to:
"It was Europe's largest construction project at the time and is estimated to bring in £42 billion to the UK economy." Wind Orange ( talk) 02:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
We have a whole subsection in the Politics section on a dozen and a half peripheral (mostly) island territories that are not part of the UK. The level of coverage in this article (4 paragraphs and a very large and intrusive map - by far the largest map in the article) is a mystery. Their total population (BOTs and CDs combined) is only c. half a million and, in any case, we have full coverage in Crown Dependencies and British Overseas Territories. It's out of scope of this article and, for such a minor part of British governance, has far too much detail for WP:BALASP and WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. In fact, it gives the impression of some sort of residual 1970s-style post-imperial angst.
I suggest deleting the Dependencies section and replacing it with this additional 5th paragraph in the beginning of the Politics section:
Although not part of the United Kingdom, the three Crown Dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man and 14 British Overseas Territories across the globe are subject to the sovereignty of the British Crown. The Crown exercises its responsibilities in relation to the Crown Dependencies through the British government's Home Office and for the British Overseas Territories through the Foreign Office. [1]
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Any support for this? DeCausa ( talk) 21:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Does the current structure make sense? I'd imagine if you're not British (or even if you are) you'd be left quite confused by it. We have Scot/NI/Welsh local govt. covered in both sections. In terms of hierarchy it goes from top (UK) level in the previous section to lowest level (local govt) then middle (devolved) level but that "middle" level only tells you about 3 countries. You have to guess what the situation in England is.
It seems to me more logical for there to be an Admin divisions section which (1) starts off with the historical paragraph as now albeit expanded to say that the UK pre-1998 was highly centralized. (2) Then talk about how Devolution developed in general terms. (3) then have sections on each of the 4 countries (with heading for each) which covers not only the devolved institutions but also local government. In the England section it would explicitly cover how the UK institutions effectively continue to cover England - with something about the West Lothian question issues. I was going to go ahead and WP:BEBOLD but I know that some might have issue with not having a specific section on Devolution. I'll press on unless there are objections. DeCausa ( talk) 21:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia constantly lies and is full of chronic misinformation. Out of respect for all those that you, Wikipedia, have been disrespecting world wide, I request you delete all pages with statements about the English language being American, and International English being the English language. English is from England. Not America. English is not International English, it is English! Call the American language what it is. American. Never call the UK a country! The UK is four different countries united! Stop being one of the most disrespectful, lying website's in the internet, full of chronic misinformation.
I am tired of correcting your pages and having my words replaced with lies! Name7528798543 ( talk) 09:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)