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I wanted to add this paragraph as every word is true, but I was ordered to get it approved on the talk page.
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The clearest footage was taken by Michael Hezarkhani and broadcast on CNN, showing an aluminium hollow airplane that impossibly melts into the steel facade of the tower, amazingly without the tail fuselage breaking-off or deforming [1]. In the footage the tower closes up behind the penetrated wing and explosions are seen where there is no impact from the plane. Unlike the wingtips the vertical stabilizer inexplicably leaves no imprint in the tower. The lighting and proportions of the plane are unreal. In the absence of any hint of evidence of manipulation of Hezarkhani's footage and in the light of eye-witness reports of some sort of aircraft it must be assumed that dynamic holography * was employed *.
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Of course you will say there were real planes because debris was found. But debris could have been planted whereas the footage had to have been faked or having recorded live hologrammes. T
The debris has never been scrutinized, no serial numbers, no nothing. There WERE strange going-ons. The footage just exists. It is how it was when broadcast. It is particularly easy piece of research to do, but I strongly suspect that almost NOBODY will investigate, and those who do, will not be posting their observations here because wikipedia has a strong adherence to the "official line" IMHO for no good reason WHATsoever. Governments lie, private corporations lie and defraud. There is no wikipedia-headline-page of "government lies", right?
U2r2h ( talk) 13:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The 'Hologram Conspiracy Theory' is widely peddled but has no possible basis in reality. If there was suspicion of image implanting it would be in the process of where broadcast images are transported electronically from outside broadcast cameras to T.V.s at home. Outside Broadcast Video is 'handled' by a number of computers before being transmitted to the Public. There are no such suspicians with 911 Video. Johnwrd ( talk) 02:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
File:United Airlines 175 N612UA.jpg
Was that THE Flight 175? KyuuA4 20:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Does someone fancy doing some research and writing up about how the engine came off this plane as it hit the WTC and landed in the street? (and perhaps how the engine was from a 737....!)
Google for "street engine" and you will get a lot of information.
The famous wheel and the engine were "found" underneath large tarpoulin scaffolding. It is conceivable that they were "dropped" from there. There have been no photos of bounce-damage on the streets nor has there ever been ONE SINGLE PART traced with a SERIAL NUMBER. 203.172.184.19 ( talk) 05:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
A GFDLed map of the flightpath would be very nice. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 13:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Added a crash infobox which is standard among articles relating to airliner incidents, notably crashes. The figure included in "Fatalities" only includes the number killed in the plane itself. However, the number dead from Tower 2 is not included. A figure adjustment is needed. Thanks. KyuuA4 04:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous IP stated, in an edit summary, that "The majority of jumpers were from the North Tower". I have found very little information about the "jumpers", and I'm curious if there is a cite for this statement. Thanks. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 16:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page, the images are overlapping the text under FC5 Firefox -- Witchinghour 02:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Just so you know, this image has no fair use rationale for this article. One needs to be written before it gets deleted. -- Haemo 04:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
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Brhaspati, you have accuratedly described the average rate of descent in the final four minutes, but this does not mean that the power dive was at one consistent rate of descent over the full 4 minutes. As the text now reflects, the ATC controller responsible for UA175 at that moment gave an interview (cited in the text, and video is linked) saying that the plane "at the end" had indeed reached a descent rate of 10,000 ft/min. This does not imply that it was descending at 10,000 ft/min the entire 4 minutes, nor during the final few seconds when it was seen by witnesses on the ground. It just means that it reached that rate at one point, and was measured as reaching that rate by the ATC controller. No POV or OR here, or extrapolating, or stating as fact that it happened. Just reporting the testimony. 201.6.69.127 21:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
WP:BLP1E states that people, like the hijackers, who are not notable except for the event, should be written about in the article and not have a separate article on them. It say's:
The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry. Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but remains of essentially low profile themselves, we should generally avoid having an article on them.
If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted. Marginal biographies on people with no independent notability can give undue weight to the events in the context of the individual, create redundancy and additional maintenance overhead, and cause problems for our neutral point of view policy. In such cases, a redirect or merge are usually the better options. Cover the event, not the person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BLP1E#Articles_about_living_people_notable_only_for_one_event
Don't shoot the messenger. I am merely quoting Wikipedia policy, not just a wikipedia guideline. Mrs.EasterBunny 23:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
He warned
Controller:" Got him just out at 95 hundred, nine thousand now..."
Manager of New York Center: " Do you know who he is?"
Controller:" We don't know who he is...we're just picking him up now"
"New York Center: " All right heads up man, it looks like another one coming in"
Then two minutes later, Cameras trained on the burning tower captured the view of United Flight 175 as it came across Manhattan and turned and crashed into the second tower.
The above was commented material showing dialog within New York ATC moments before flight impact. KyuuA4 04:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
For AA11, there is a exact (or more exact) death count from within Tower 1. Is there a more exact death count for Tower 2? KyuuA4 06:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick look shows a Conspiracy Theory viewpoint. However, given the amount of material here, I decided to dump it here -- just so that others can get a look at it -- and see what they think of it. KyuuA4 ( talk) 00:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
A very important anomaly of the event surrounding the moments before and when Flight 175 made impact with the South Tower and one that has not really got the attention of the mainstream media or public is the fact that different news footage shows the plane approaching the tower in different ways. These contradictions went largely unnoticed and supporters of the official 9/11 story dismiss these videos as the work of conspiracy theorists who had edited and manipulated news footage. However these shots were seen live or later replayed on the day the attacks happened.
The first set of contradicting footage shows Flight 175 approaching the South Tower from different directions. In the footage of the live coverage by NBC, the news chopper covering the unfolding events is approximately to the north of the WTC Towers. The North Tower was already struck by Flight 11 as smoke billows out of the impact zone. The two TV news anchors commenting on the developing events do not notice any incoming aircraft but only the explosion and the resulting huge fireball is seen live. From the NBC live footage of the South Tower being hit by Flight 175, no plane can be seen approaching the building from either the right or the left side. Therefore it is then assumed that the aircraft must have approached the towers from a southerly direction since the two big structures would have prevented viewers from seeing the plane approaching its target because only the north faces of the towers are seen on camera. This same footage of the South Tower being hit by the second plane is seen again over and over later on in the day. However, differences could be seen in the same NBC footage. News stations later showed the same footage, but this time with a plane approaching the towers from the right hand side of the shot. The backdrop was also completely gone from the scene. The background consisting of buildings and a body of water can be seen in the live NBC footage but later on, it changes into an empty blue sky backdrop. Later versions of the same live footage seen on the news shows the plane flying in to the shot from the upper right (and with the backdrop reappearing once more in these versions) as oppose to the earlier approaching plane flying in to the scene (with an empty backdrop) at level angle from the middle right. The live shot and the ones shown later on could not be from different helicopters or vantage points since it is the same shot from NBC.
The second set of contradictions are to do with the different angles at which Flight 175 approaches its target. In one video footage showing the towers from underneath the Brooklyn Bridge, the plane's approach to the South Tower is horizontal. This footage was the one used at the trial of alleged 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui. The Moussaoui shot is in contrast to other news footage including one from CBS in which the plane is shown dive-bombing into the building. Another CBS shot later replayed on news stations features the Empire State Building in the middle of the shot and the WTC Towers to the left and further away from where the camera was. This is presumably the same as the earlier CBS footage but from a different angle and vantage point. Again, the plane is seen dive-bombing from the upper right corner of the video to the middle left where the towers are standing. The blatant contradiction can be easily spotted when all the three mentioned shots are played together at the same time.
200px|right Image removed due to "poor taste". Does anyone else object to this? I'll have to admit; the image does bring a chill to my spine. Other images were included in the infobox, like the pre-impact view ABC news had; however, such were removed due to copyright reasons, or other similar reasons. Suppose, if anyone can provide some kind of image to be used in the infobox, that would be nice too. KyuuA4 ( talk) 08:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=United_Airlines_Flight_175&diff=187061974&oldid=186913367
PLEASE research. The statements I made reflect reality.
Both of the references for The Learning Channel documentary "Flight 175: As the World Watched" currently redirect to the front page of investigation.discovery.com. I'm unsure if this is intentional or not, but surely there's something better to link to besides the network website's front page. A ni Mate 20:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I feel that coordinates don't belong on this page. It could of been at Boston-Logan International Airport or at the place where the towers were. But heres the catch: The plane could of been anywhere, and it no longer exists. Explination Please?
K50 Dude-( Talk Page) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC).
Ixfd64 removed the 'Aviation accidents in major metropolitan areas' category tag because this was not really an accident (an edit I reversed pending this discussion). The other similar categories that this article falls into all say 'accidents and incidents'. The most correct fix is to rename the 'Aviation accidents in major metropolitan areas' to 'Aviation accidents and incidents in major metropolitan areas' but until someone does that I would think that the inclusion of this page into the current category is reasonable.-- Fizbin ( talk) 00:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the article Casualties of the September 11 attacks, there were a total of 2,602 ground fatalities in New York, presumably including a few people on the ground killed by the impact, debris, or leaping victims, plus those in WTC1 and WTC2. This page says that "over 1,300" were killed in WTC1. The page on American Airlines Flight 11 says that "over 600" were killed in WTC2. I know that "over" can imply "substantially more than", but we are talking about at least 600 persons who died on the ground who are not counted by adding the toll on this page and on the AA11 page. So, does anyone know if the 9/11 Commission -- or any other analysis -- came up with a more precise guess as to the distribution of fatalities between WTC1 and WTC2. Someone must know into which tower various fire units were sent. Is there any way to make the estimate figures on the two airliner pages more closely approximate the overall NYC ground death toll? I also posted this on the AA11 talk page. Sacxpert ( talk) 05:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The article follows the 9/11 Commission Report and various transcripts of conversations, in identifying the take-off time of Flight 175 as 8:14. However, the Bureau of Transportation Statistics gives a wheels-off time of 8:23. Similarly, for Flight 93, the take-off time was 8:41 in the Commission Report, but 8:28 in the BTS:
http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml
The scheduled departure time and the actual departure time (rolling back from the gate) are both the same in the BTS as in the Commission's Report.
I am considering inserting the BTS wheels-off times for this flight and Flight 93 in the articles. Johnm307 ( talk) 12:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Why on earth does Christine Hanson redirect here? Xaerun ( talk) 22:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Is there s primary source for the info in this programme? Notreallydavid ( talk) 07:42, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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The introduction to the article states that 'the aircraft's transponder was turned off..." however the 'Hijacking' paragraph gives a cited statement that "Unlike Flight 11, which had turned its transponder off, Flight 175's flight data could still be properly monitored.." This is a contradiction and one statements should be deleted or clarified - i.e. did the hijackers switch off the Mode S transponder but still squawked their altitude or could ATC simply still see the aircraft's primary return? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.4 ( talk) 07:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
"United Airlines Flight 175 was a passenger flight which was hijacked..."
I've always been pretty shaky on the whole which/that issue, but my gut says it should be "passenger flight that was hijacked". I'm hoping someone who is smarter than my gut will chime in and set me straight. Thanks. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 05:36, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Can we mention this and a link to where it it debunked? Thy -- SvenAERTS ( talk) 01:45, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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After Flight 175 slammed at the South Tower on 9:03 AM.An engine of Flight 175 was found on Murray St. However, when you take a deep analysis, you will find that the Books Nash ( talk) 15:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Ignore this and read second part Books Nash ( talk) 17:06, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
After Flight 175 crashed on the South Tower, an engine landed on Church and Murray St. If you all take a closer look on the engine, you will find out that the engine type this cooling duct assembly is used on. It is used on the JT9D-7 series.The name of the component is HPT Stage1 Cooling Duct Assembly. There is a history behind this assembly as I began to read more. This component was part of the early JT9D-7 series engines that were used in development of Boeing's 747 line of aircraft. The "7" series engines have gone through many revisions but are exclusively used on 747's. Many years later, P&W decided to work with NASA in the development in a new technology to improve engine performance and reliability. This improvement was made specifically to this section of engine. Tangential On-Board Injection (TOBI or "R" for Radial) was the newest improvement to reduce nozzle temperatures by over 2% which could open the door for a more powerful engines based on the "7" series engine. The new model of engine would be called 7R4+Revision Letter. The 7R4D engine is the one that is specified for United Airlines Boeing 767's.
So. We have two data points indicating that the Murray Street engine is a Pratt and Whitney JT9D-7 series engine: the HPT Stage 1 Cooling Duct Assembly which the manufacturer indicates is for use only with the 7 series engine, and we have the diffuser casing of the Murray Street engine matching perfectly the diffuser casing of a 747 engine --for which model of Boeing aircraft Weezula says the JT9D-7 series engine was exclusively used.
So. All data so far seem to indicate that the Murray Street engine is not a JT9D-7R4D engine, as would have been on Flight 175. (And the Murray Street engine certainly is not a GE CF6 engine from Flight 11.)
Unless I'm missing something --and I don't think that I am, though I am no engine expert-- how did a 7-series 747 engine wind up on Murray Street?
Unless I'm missing something, that engine did not come from Flight 175
So, then, what struck the South Tower? And, uh, where is Flight 175?
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The article still lacks an authoritative source as to how the aircraft came to have an impact speed circa 40 km/h or 20 MPH faster than its certfied top speed. Did it have a tail wind or something? -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 01:34, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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So, let me get this straight... there are at least 2 administrators (supposedly experts on 9/11) claiming that a wing entered the 81st floor of WTC 2 - nevermind that NIST and any other organisation claims that only the fuselage did. Nevermind that Stanley Prainmath says exactly the same in my link (to his testimony). All you have is a reliable super "source" in a form of artistic licence, a decade old CGI. You, people, are disgusting and a true reason for the low quality of Wikipedia. And yes, Stanley initially claimed that a wing impacted his office, but he's recanted this a long time ago (and as mentioned above - anything else would be impossible). His corner office at the 81st floor of WTC 2 was nowhere near any wing, let alone 20 feet away. Direct testimony and goverment reports are not a "source" because "Youtube" - but artistic licence from a low budget TV show fits the standards of Wikipedia. Laughable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParallaxHunter ( talk • contribs) 08:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
All of NISTNCSTAR1-2B, Analysis of Aircraft Impacts into the World Trade Center Towers Chapters 9, 10, 11 & Appendix A. It's down to calculated desk and office furnishings damage. And, of course, no significant part of any wing entered floor 81. What's more, nothing hit the southwest office of Stanley Prainmath. I did not offer the Youtube video as an ultimate source but as a quick validation (for anyone to see) that he maintains that no wing hit his office, he rather saw collapsed walls from the shockwave and aircraft debris. Your sources lead to early-post 9/11 interview (when he was confused) and, ultimately, a sensationalist CGI from "Inside the Twin Towers" documentary where a wing flies over his head. Again, it's the same person and videos of him stating that are everywhere. It should be changed to aircraft debris - not a wing. It's important to get rid of it because it devalues the value of wikipedia, giving place to sensationalist, improbable and above all... not real.. situations. ParallaxHunter ( talk) 18:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Everyone, I was just posting this because I personally feel that the general consensus of the WTC2 Crash time is and should be 9:03 A.M. in comparison to 9:02 A.M. Even though the "Collapse of the World Trade Center" and "Timeline for the September 11 Attacks have it currently at 9:02 A.M. The reason for this consensus change, is because I personally believe that we should go by the consensus of authoritative websites from the current decade, such as the 9/11 Memorial Official timeline, the United Flight 93 Memorial Official Timeline, and History. com as well as past sources such as the FEMA Report, the 9/11 Commission Report, and most other timelines from the 2000s and 2010s state the crash time at 9:03 A.M. By Comparison only the NIST Report and the National Transportation Safety Beuaru show the crash time at 9:02 A.M. I personally believe that using the most authoritative source which in this case if the National 9/11 memorial and Museum page for the true time. -- Miked1992 ( talk) 00:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)Miked1992-- Miked1992 ( talk) 00:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm somewhat disturbed by this section. The article for AA Flight 11 lists only the nationalities of the victims, which I think is more appropriate. Can we look into getting this changed? Removing the nationalities of the terrorists? Incerto501 ( talk) 01:12, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
There's a problem with ref #1 [2] The archive merely shows a title page, "HIJACKERS TIMELINE (REDACTED)", and the original leads to " nefa foundation" "Just another WordPress site". Per our WP rules, should we continue to cite this source? Or do "we" feel that the information is accessible in some manner, just not per our available online sources?
For reference #2, [3] the archive also displays only the title page, but the original is accessible. It worries me that the archive has not captured the full document. I don't understand how "web.archive.org" works to archive (multiple page vs single page) documents, and this "one page only" situation makes me uneasy. Fortunately, the inaccessible info of ref #1, seems to be supported by ref#2. Perhaps more experienced editors have some insight to share. Please ping if you reply! Thanks, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 01:13, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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I am likely not knowledgeable enough in wikipedia editing or otherwise available to edit the information, but as a notice to anyone paying attention to this page, the summary on the page preview for this page states "Da boiz were flying and took a wrong turn and did crash". This does not appear to follow the guidelines set by wikipedia. I bring it up here instead of doing it myself so that someone can make this edit correctly more efficiently than I can. If necessary, or needed, redact, delete, or move my comments as needed. 2620:15C:8B:201:DF06:D8FF:C520:20C7 ( talk) 22:35, 31 March 2023 (UTC) nobleshawn 22:34 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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There is a first person account without a source cited in the paragraph, or in sources. It’s the final paragraph in the attack section about seeing the second plane hit. It should more than likely be removed. 162.211.34.182 ( talk) 03:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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I wanted to add this paragraph as every word is true, but I was ordered to get it approved on the talk page.
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The clearest footage was taken by Michael Hezarkhani and broadcast on CNN, showing an aluminium hollow airplane that impossibly melts into the steel facade of the tower, amazingly without the tail fuselage breaking-off or deforming [1]. In the footage the tower closes up behind the penetrated wing and explosions are seen where there is no impact from the plane. Unlike the wingtips the vertical stabilizer inexplicably leaves no imprint in the tower. The lighting and proportions of the plane are unreal. In the absence of any hint of evidence of manipulation of Hezarkhani's footage and in the light of eye-witness reports of some sort of aircraft it must be assumed that dynamic holography * was employed *.
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Of course you will say there were real planes because debris was found. But debris could have been planted whereas the footage had to have been faked or having recorded live hologrammes. T
The debris has never been scrutinized, no serial numbers, no nothing. There WERE strange going-ons. The footage just exists. It is how it was when broadcast. It is particularly easy piece of research to do, but I strongly suspect that almost NOBODY will investigate, and those who do, will not be posting their observations here because wikipedia has a strong adherence to the "official line" IMHO for no good reason WHATsoever. Governments lie, private corporations lie and defraud. There is no wikipedia-headline-page of "government lies", right?
U2r2h ( talk) 13:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The 'Hologram Conspiracy Theory' is widely peddled but has no possible basis in reality. If there was suspicion of image implanting it would be in the process of where broadcast images are transported electronically from outside broadcast cameras to T.V.s at home. Outside Broadcast Video is 'handled' by a number of computers before being transmitted to the Public. There are no such suspicians with 911 Video. Johnwrd ( talk) 02:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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Was that THE Flight 175? KyuuA4 20:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Does someone fancy doing some research and writing up about how the engine came off this plane as it hit the WTC and landed in the street? (and perhaps how the engine was from a 737....!)
Google for "street engine" and you will get a lot of information.
The famous wheel and the engine were "found" underneath large tarpoulin scaffolding. It is conceivable that they were "dropped" from there. There have been no photos of bounce-damage on the streets nor has there ever been ONE SINGLE PART traced with a SERIAL NUMBER. 203.172.184.19 ( talk) 05:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
A GFDLed map of the flightpath would be very nice. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 13:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Added a crash infobox which is standard among articles relating to airliner incidents, notably crashes. The figure included in "Fatalities" only includes the number killed in the plane itself. However, the number dead from Tower 2 is not included. A figure adjustment is needed. Thanks. KyuuA4 04:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous IP stated, in an edit summary, that "The majority of jumpers were from the North Tower". I have found very little information about the "jumpers", and I'm curious if there is a cite for this statement. Thanks. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 16:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page, the images are overlapping the text under FC5 Firefox -- Witchinghour 02:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Just so you know, this image has no fair use rationale for this article. One needs to be written before it gets deleted. -- Haemo 04:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
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Brhaspati, you have accuratedly described the average rate of descent in the final four minutes, but this does not mean that the power dive was at one consistent rate of descent over the full 4 minutes. As the text now reflects, the ATC controller responsible for UA175 at that moment gave an interview (cited in the text, and video is linked) saying that the plane "at the end" had indeed reached a descent rate of 10,000 ft/min. This does not imply that it was descending at 10,000 ft/min the entire 4 minutes, nor during the final few seconds when it was seen by witnesses on the ground. It just means that it reached that rate at one point, and was measured as reaching that rate by the ATC controller. No POV or OR here, or extrapolating, or stating as fact that it happened. Just reporting the testimony. 201.6.69.127 21:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
WP:BLP1E states that people, like the hijackers, who are not notable except for the event, should be written about in the article and not have a separate article on them. It say's:
The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry. Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but remains of essentially low profile themselves, we should generally avoid having an article on them.
If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted. Marginal biographies on people with no independent notability can give undue weight to the events in the context of the individual, create redundancy and additional maintenance overhead, and cause problems for our neutral point of view policy. In such cases, a redirect or merge are usually the better options. Cover the event, not the person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BLP1E#Articles_about_living_people_notable_only_for_one_event
Don't shoot the messenger. I am merely quoting Wikipedia policy, not just a wikipedia guideline. Mrs.EasterBunny 23:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
He warned
Controller:" Got him just out at 95 hundred, nine thousand now..."
Manager of New York Center: " Do you know who he is?"
Controller:" We don't know who he is...we're just picking him up now"
"New York Center: " All right heads up man, it looks like another one coming in"
Then two minutes later, Cameras trained on the burning tower captured the view of United Flight 175 as it came across Manhattan and turned and crashed into the second tower.
The above was commented material showing dialog within New York ATC moments before flight impact. KyuuA4 04:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
For AA11, there is a exact (or more exact) death count from within Tower 1. Is there a more exact death count for Tower 2? KyuuA4 06:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick look shows a Conspiracy Theory viewpoint. However, given the amount of material here, I decided to dump it here -- just so that others can get a look at it -- and see what they think of it. KyuuA4 ( talk) 00:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
A very important anomaly of the event surrounding the moments before and when Flight 175 made impact with the South Tower and one that has not really got the attention of the mainstream media or public is the fact that different news footage shows the plane approaching the tower in different ways. These contradictions went largely unnoticed and supporters of the official 9/11 story dismiss these videos as the work of conspiracy theorists who had edited and manipulated news footage. However these shots were seen live or later replayed on the day the attacks happened.
The first set of contradicting footage shows Flight 175 approaching the South Tower from different directions. In the footage of the live coverage by NBC, the news chopper covering the unfolding events is approximately to the north of the WTC Towers. The North Tower was already struck by Flight 11 as smoke billows out of the impact zone. The two TV news anchors commenting on the developing events do not notice any incoming aircraft but only the explosion and the resulting huge fireball is seen live. From the NBC live footage of the South Tower being hit by Flight 175, no plane can be seen approaching the building from either the right or the left side. Therefore it is then assumed that the aircraft must have approached the towers from a southerly direction since the two big structures would have prevented viewers from seeing the plane approaching its target because only the north faces of the towers are seen on camera. This same footage of the South Tower being hit by the second plane is seen again over and over later on in the day. However, differences could be seen in the same NBC footage. News stations later showed the same footage, but this time with a plane approaching the towers from the right hand side of the shot. The backdrop was also completely gone from the scene. The background consisting of buildings and a body of water can be seen in the live NBC footage but later on, it changes into an empty blue sky backdrop. Later versions of the same live footage seen on the news shows the plane flying in to the shot from the upper right (and with the backdrop reappearing once more in these versions) as oppose to the earlier approaching plane flying in to the scene (with an empty backdrop) at level angle from the middle right. The live shot and the ones shown later on could not be from different helicopters or vantage points since it is the same shot from NBC.
The second set of contradictions are to do with the different angles at which Flight 175 approaches its target. In one video footage showing the towers from underneath the Brooklyn Bridge, the plane's approach to the South Tower is horizontal. This footage was the one used at the trial of alleged 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui. The Moussaoui shot is in contrast to other news footage including one from CBS in which the plane is shown dive-bombing into the building. Another CBS shot later replayed on news stations features the Empire State Building in the middle of the shot and the WTC Towers to the left and further away from where the camera was. This is presumably the same as the earlier CBS footage but from a different angle and vantage point. Again, the plane is seen dive-bombing from the upper right corner of the video to the middle left where the towers are standing. The blatant contradiction can be easily spotted when all the three mentioned shots are played together at the same time.
200px|right Image removed due to "poor taste". Does anyone else object to this? I'll have to admit; the image does bring a chill to my spine. Other images were included in the infobox, like the pre-impact view ABC news had; however, such were removed due to copyright reasons, or other similar reasons. Suppose, if anyone can provide some kind of image to be used in the infobox, that would be nice too. KyuuA4 ( talk) 08:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=United_Airlines_Flight_175&diff=187061974&oldid=186913367
PLEASE research. The statements I made reflect reality.
Both of the references for The Learning Channel documentary "Flight 175: As the World Watched" currently redirect to the front page of investigation.discovery.com. I'm unsure if this is intentional or not, but surely there's something better to link to besides the network website's front page. A ni Mate 20:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I feel that coordinates don't belong on this page. It could of been at Boston-Logan International Airport or at the place where the towers were. But heres the catch: The plane could of been anywhere, and it no longer exists. Explination Please?
K50 Dude-( Talk Page) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC).
Ixfd64 removed the 'Aviation accidents in major metropolitan areas' category tag because this was not really an accident (an edit I reversed pending this discussion). The other similar categories that this article falls into all say 'accidents and incidents'. The most correct fix is to rename the 'Aviation accidents in major metropolitan areas' to 'Aviation accidents and incidents in major metropolitan areas' but until someone does that I would think that the inclusion of this page into the current category is reasonable.-- Fizbin ( talk) 00:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the article Casualties of the September 11 attacks, there were a total of 2,602 ground fatalities in New York, presumably including a few people on the ground killed by the impact, debris, or leaping victims, plus those in WTC1 and WTC2. This page says that "over 1,300" were killed in WTC1. The page on American Airlines Flight 11 says that "over 600" were killed in WTC2. I know that "over" can imply "substantially more than", but we are talking about at least 600 persons who died on the ground who are not counted by adding the toll on this page and on the AA11 page. So, does anyone know if the 9/11 Commission -- or any other analysis -- came up with a more precise guess as to the distribution of fatalities between WTC1 and WTC2. Someone must know into which tower various fire units were sent. Is there any way to make the estimate figures on the two airliner pages more closely approximate the overall NYC ground death toll? I also posted this on the AA11 talk page. Sacxpert ( talk) 05:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The article follows the 9/11 Commission Report and various transcripts of conversations, in identifying the take-off time of Flight 175 as 8:14. However, the Bureau of Transportation Statistics gives a wheels-off time of 8:23. Similarly, for Flight 93, the take-off time was 8:41 in the Commission Report, but 8:28 in the BTS:
http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml
The scheduled departure time and the actual departure time (rolling back from the gate) are both the same in the BTS as in the Commission's Report.
I am considering inserting the BTS wheels-off times for this flight and Flight 93 in the articles. Johnm307 ( talk) 12:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Why on earth does Christine Hanson redirect here? Xaerun ( talk) 22:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Is there s primary source for the info in this programme? Notreallydavid ( talk) 07:42, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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The introduction to the article states that 'the aircraft's transponder was turned off..." however the 'Hijacking' paragraph gives a cited statement that "Unlike Flight 11, which had turned its transponder off, Flight 175's flight data could still be properly monitored.." This is a contradiction and one statements should be deleted or clarified - i.e. did the hijackers switch off the Mode S transponder but still squawked their altitude or could ATC simply still see the aircraft's primary return? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.4 ( talk) 07:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
"United Airlines Flight 175 was a passenger flight which was hijacked..."
I've always been pretty shaky on the whole which/that issue, but my gut says it should be "passenger flight that was hijacked". I'm hoping someone who is smarter than my gut will chime in and set me straight. Thanks. -- Bongwarrior ( talk) 05:36, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Can we mention this and a link to where it it debunked? Thy -- SvenAERTS ( talk) 01:45, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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After Flight 175 slammed at the South Tower on 9:03 AM.An engine of Flight 175 was found on Murray St. However, when you take a deep analysis, you will find that the Books Nash ( talk) 15:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Ignore this and read second part Books Nash ( talk) 17:06, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
After Flight 175 crashed on the South Tower, an engine landed on Church and Murray St. If you all take a closer look on the engine, you will find out that the engine type this cooling duct assembly is used on. It is used on the JT9D-7 series.The name of the component is HPT Stage1 Cooling Duct Assembly. There is a history behind this assembly as I began to read more. This component was part of the early JT9D-7 series engines that were used in development of Boeing's 747 line of aircraft. The "7" series engines have gone through many revisions but are exclusively used on 747's. Many years later, P&W decided to work with NASA in the development in a new technology to improve engine performance and reliability. This improvement was made specifically to this section of engine. Tangential On-Board Injection (TOBI or "R" for Radial) was the newest improvement to reduce nozzle temperatures by over 2% which could open the door for a more powerful engines based on the "7" series engine. The new model of engine would be called 7R4+Revision Letter. The 7R4D engine is the one that is specified for United Airlines Boeing 767's.
So. We have two data points indicating that the Murray Street engine is a Pratt and Whitney JT9D-7 series engine: the HPT Stage 1 Cooling Duct Assembly which the manufacturer indicates is for use only with the 7 series engine, and we have the diffuser casing of the Murray Street engine matching perfectly the diffuser casing of a 747 engine --for which model of Boeing aircraft Weezula says the JT9D-7 series engine was exclusively used.
So. All data so far seem to indicate that the Murray Street engine is not a JT9D-7R4D engine, as would have been on Flight 175. (And the Murray Street engine certainly is not a GE CF6 engine from Flight 11.)
Unless I'm missing something --and I don't think that I am, though I am no engine expert-- how did a 7-series 747 engine wind up on Murray Street?
Unless I'm missing something, that engine did not come from Flight 175
So, then, what struck the South Tower? And, uh, where is Flight 175?
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The article still lacks an authoritative source as to how the aircraft came to have an impact speed circa 40 km/h or 20 MPH faster than its certfied top speed. Did it have a tail wind or something? -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 01:34, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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So, let me get this straight... there are at least 2 administrators (supposedly experts on 9/11) claiming that a wing entered the 81st floor of WTC 2 - nevermind that NIST and any other organisation claims that only the fuselage did. Nevermind that Stanley Prainmath says exactly the same in my link (to his testimony). All you have is a reliable super "source" in a form of artistic licence, a decade old CGI. You, people, are disgusting and a true reason for the low quality of Wikipedia. And yes, Stanley initially claimed that a wing impacted his office, but he's recanted this a long time ago (and as mentioned above - anything else would be impossible). His corner office at the 81st floor of WTC 2 was nowhere near any wing, let alone 20 feet away. Direct testimony and goverment reports are not a "source" because "Youtube" - but artistic licence from a low budget TV show fits the standards of Wikipedia. Laughable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParallaxHunter ( talk • contribs) 08:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
All of NISTNCSTAR1-2B, Analysis of Aircraft Impacts into the World Trade Center Towers Chapters 9, 10, 11 & Appendix A. It's down to calculated desk and office furnishings damage. And, of course, no significant part of any wing entered floor 81. What's more, nothing hit the southwest office of Stanley Prainmath. I did not offer the Youtube video as an ultimate source but as a quick validation (for anyone to see) that he maintains that no wing hit his office, he rather saw collapsed walls from the shockwave and aircraft debris. Your sources lead to early-post 9/11 interview (when he was confused) and, ultimately, a sensationalist CGI from "Inside the Twin Towers" documentary where a wing flies over his head. Again, it's the same person and videos of him stating that are everywhere. It should be changed to aircraft debris - not a wing. It's important to get rid of it because it devalues the value of wikipedia, giving place to sensationalist, improbable and above all... not real.. situations. ParallaxHunter ( talk) 18:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Everyone, I was just posting this because I personally feel that the general consensus of the WTC2 Crash time is and should be 9:03 A.M. in comparison to 9:02 A.M. Even though the "Collapse of the World Trade Center" and "Timeline for the September 11 Attacks have it currently at 9:02 A.M. The reason for this consensus change, is because I personally believe that we should go by the consensus of authoritative websites from the current decade, such as the 9/11 Memorial Official timeline, the United Flight 93 Memorial Official Timeline, and History. com as well as past sources such as the FEMA Report, the 9/11 Commission Report, and most other timelines from the 2000s and 2010s state the crash time at 9:03 A.M. By Comparison only the NIST Report and the National Transportation Safety Beuaru show the crash time at 9:02 A.M. I personally believe that using the most authoritative source which in this case if the National 9/11 memorial and Museum page for the true time. -- Miked1992 ( talk) 00:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)Miked1992-- Miked1992 ( talk) 00:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm somewhat disturbed by this section. The article for AA Flight 11 lists only the nationalities of the victims, which I think is more appropriate. Can we look into getting this changed? Removing the nationalities of the terrorists? Incerto501 ( talk) 01:12, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
There's a problem with ref #1 [2] The archive merely shows a title page, "HIJACKERS TIMELINE (REDACTED)", and the original leads to " nefa foundation" "Just another WordPress site". Per our WP rules, should we continue to cite this source? Or do "we" feel that the information is accessible in some manner, just not per our available online sources?
For reference #2, [3] the archive also displays only the title page, but the original is accessible. It worries me that the archive has not captured the full document. I don't understand how "web.archive.org" works to archive (multiple page vs single page) documents, and this "one page only" situation makes me uneasy. Fortunately, the inaccessible info of ref #1, seems to be supported by ref#2. Perhaps more experienced editors have some insight to share. Please ping if you reply! Thanks, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 01:13, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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I am likely not knowledgeable enough in wikipedia editing or otherwise available to edit the information, but as a notice to anyone paying attention to this page, the summary on the page preview for this page states "Da boiz were flying and took a wrong turn and did crash". This does not appear to follow the guidelines set by wikipedia. I bring it up here instead of doing it myself so that someone can make this edit correctly more efficiently than I can. If necessary, or needed, redact, delete, or move my comments as needed. 2620:15C:8B:201:DF06:D8FF:C520:20C7 ( talk) 22:35, 31 March 2023 (UTC) nobleshawn 22:34 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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There is a first person account without a source cited in the paragraph, or in sources. It’s the final paragraph in the attack section about seeing the second plane hit. It should more than likely be removed. 162.211.34.182 ( talk) 03:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)