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This song appeared on WatZatSong in 2021 by a user named carl92 asking for help in identifying the snippet he posted. Using Shazam, it listed the artist as being SNVFFXXX, but I have reason to believe this is likely a placeholder, and not the actual band behind it (and if it were, the mystery surrounding this song would be over by now, lol). The year is also up for debate. Rolling Stone and several users describe this song as having a 1980s sound. Rolling Stone described it as being reminiscent of the upbeat, new wave music from the 1980s while the song's usage of synthesizers also lend it a synth-pop vibe. Despite the sound, it could have been recorded after the 1980s; someone suggested this could have come from a 1990s MTV broadcast. It also has a sound that could be from late-2000's to early-2010s synthwave music. It also sounds like something The Weeknd could have recorded a la Blinding Lights as well. Lots of mystery surrounding this song! Moline1 ( talk) 16:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Darren Hayes, best remembered as the vocalist of Savage Garden, may in fact, have been behind this song all along. Yesterday, he posted a cryptic tweet simply saying "Everyone Knows That", adding fuel to the rumor that he is behind it. Is a full reveal imminent? Who knows. Here's the tweet. https://twitter.com/darrenhayes/status/1725697367461216265 Moline1 ( talk) 17:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Currently, I'm concerned it might be WP:TOOSOON for an article on this subject; how many reliable sources can be found on this particular song besides the Rolling Stone article? There's also this article from The Messenger that seems to largely parrot what Rolling Stone said. - BRAINULATOR9 ( TALK) 00:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
One theory is this song is a promotional gimmick for either the site it was posted on or the artist who posted it. It would be in bad taste to have an article created for a non notable artist due only to the search. It would accomplish the goal set out by the one who created the search, which is fame by hoax. Until it’s found, it’s really not worth a dedicated page. Particularly until the artist can be ruled out as anybody but the person who originally posted it. 2601:407:100:B0B0:3531:96A7:BABE:A7D5 ( talk) 01:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Dazed Digital Microplastic Consumer ( talk) 02:50, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
These headings are quite confusing. Why is there a separate section for the instruments used? Why is the history of the song and the search for the song separate? Pineappman ( talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
This article looks awful and beneath Wikipedia standards.
It’s loaded with “maybe, “possible” and “unknown” qualifiers. Guessing on the instruments, how and where it was recorded, etc etc.
It feels more like it’s trying to draw attention to the search for the song than it is to actually inform people about the song.
Since the song itself is unknown, it’: impossible to accurately represent it and since it cannot be accurately explained, it doesn’t belong here.
Until the song is found, it’s better to move the article to a page about lostwave. 2601:407:100:B0B0:2574:E009:CE68:29E3 ( talk) 01:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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My edit rewords and provides concrete sources now that EKT has been found! Rosia4309 ( talk) 15:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
youtu.be/7wNICH3rQLE Powerdollkirby ( talk) 21:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
I wonder why noone contacted one of the two Booth brothers in 2023 after they had been discovered as authors in the SOCAN database?
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add section explaining how the song Ulterior motives was found 4/28/2024 in a pornographic movie titled Angels of Passion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/1cf7fxd/ekt_is_found_heavy_nsfw_warning/ Karoffla ( talk) 21:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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everyone knows that has been found. it’s by david booth. 134.228.80.201 ( talk) 22:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Everyone Knows That" is no long considered lost media as of April 28, 2024, when Reddit user u/south_pole_ball discovered its use in the 1986 adult film Angels of Passion. [1] Islabb ( talk) 23:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.TheLennyGriffinFan1994 ( talk) 04:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC).
The official lyrics were released by the artist. It’s ‘Everyone knows it’, not ‘Everyone knows that’ 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:C1CC:6AEC:3FF0:5232 ( talk) 14:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW ( closed by non-admin page mover) Queen of Hearts ( talk) 23:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Ulterior Motives (song) → Everyone Knows That – This article should be moved to its name used by most people per WP:COMMONNAME. Cobblebricks ( talk) 01:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I feel the article omits an interesting fact about the 17 second clip that user carl92 uploaded to WatZatSong: the actors moan throughout the sex scene while the song is playing, except for a single stretch of 17 seconds, and that was the 17 seconds that carl92 uploaded. Vynbos ( talk) 13:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Surprisingly enough, people have uploaded higher quality versions of the song without the sex noises on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX0Q5D2G8m0 here's one of them. SGM1066 ( talk) 23:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion on 17 February 2024. The result of the discussion was merge. |
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On 13 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Everyone Knows That. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
This song appeared on WatZatSong in 2021 by a user named carl92 asking for help in identifying the snippet he posted. Using Shazam, it listed the artist as being SNVFFXXX, but I have reason to believe this is likely a placeholder, and not the actual band behind it (and if it were, the mystery surrounding this song would be over by now, lol). The year is also up for debate. Rolling Stone and several users describe this song as having a 1980s sound. Rolling Stone described it as being reminiscent of the upbeat, new wave music from the 1980s while the song's usage of synthesizers also lend it a synth-pop vibe. Despite the sound, it could have been recorded after the 1980s; someone suggested this could have come from a 1990s MTV broadcast. It also has a sound that could be from late-2000's to early-2010s synthwave music. It also sounds like something The Weeknd could have recorded a la Blinding Lights as well. Lots of mystery surrounding this song! Moline1 ( talk) 16:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
Darren Hayes, best remembered as the vocalist of Savage Garden, may in fact, have been behind this song all along. Yesterday, he posted a cryptic tweet simply saying "Everyone Knows That", adding fuel to the rumor that he is behind it. Is a full reveal imminent? Who knows. Here's the tweet. https://twitter.com/darrenhayes/status/1725697367461216265 Moline1 ( talk) 17:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Currently, I'm concerned it might be WP:TOOSOON for an article on this subject; how many reliable sources can be found on this particular song besides the Rolling Stone article? There's also this article from The Messenger that seems to largely parrot what Rolling Stone said. - BRAINULATOR9 ( TALK) 00:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
One theory is this song is a promotional gimmick for either the site it was posted on or the artist who posted it. It would be in bad taste to have an article created for a non notable artist due only to the search. It would accomplish the goal set out by the one who created the search, which is fame by hoax. Until it’s found, it’s really not worth a dedicated page. Particularly until the artist can be ruled out as anybody but the person who originally posted it. 2601:407:100:B0B0:3531:96A7:BABE:A7D5 ( talk) 01:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Dazed Digital Microplastic Consumer ( talk) 02:50, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
These headings are quite confusing. Why is there a separate section for the instruments used? Why is the history of the song and the search for the song separate? Pineappman ( talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
This article looks awful and beneath Wikipedia standards.
It’s loaded with “maybe, “possible” and “unknown” qualifiers. Guessing on the instruments, how and where it was recorded, etc etc.
It feels more like it’s trying to draw attention to the search for the song than it is to actually inform people about the song.
Since the song itself is unknown, it’: impossible to accurately represent it and since it cannot be accurately explained, it doesn’t belong here.
Until the song is found, it’s better to move the article to a page about lostwave. 2601:407:100:B0B0:2574:E009:CE68:29E3 ( talk) 01:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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My edit rewords and provides concrete sources now that EKT has been found! Rosia4309 ( talk) 15:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
youtu.be/7wNICH3rQLE Powerdollkirby ( talk) 21:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
I wonder why noone contacted one of the two Booth brothers in 2023 after they had been discovered as authors in the SOCAN database?
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add section explaining how the song Ulterior motives was found 4/28/2024 in a pornographic movie titled Angels of Passion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/1cf7fxd/ekt_is_found_heavy_nsfw_warning/ Karoffla ( talk) 21:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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everyone knows that has been found. it’s by david booth. 134.228.80.201 ( talk) 22:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Everyone Knows That" is no long considered lost media as of April 28, 2024, when Reddit user u/south_pole_ball discovered its use in the 1986 adult film Angels of Passion. [1] Islabb ( talk) 23:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
References
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
Launchballer
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09:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.TheLennyGriffinFan1994 ( talk) 04:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC).
The official lyrics were released by the artist. It’s ‘Everyone knows it’, not ‘Everyone knows that’ 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:C1CC:6AEC:3FF0:5232 ( talk) 14:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW ( closed by non-admin page mover) Queen of Hearts ( talk) 23:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Ulterior Motives (song) → Everyone Knows That – This article should be moved to its name used by most people per WP:COMMONNAME. Cobblebricks ( talk) 01:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I feel the article omits an interesting fact about the 17 second clip that user carl92 uploaded to WatZatSong: the actors moan throughout the sex scene while the song is playing, except for a single stretch of 17 seconds, and that was the 17 seconds that carl92 uploaded. Vynbos ( talk) 13:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Surprisingly enough, people have uploaded higher quality versions of the song without the sex noises on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX0Q5D2G8m0 here's one of them. SGM1066 ( talk) 23:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)