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I just wanted to point out to this information found in Stephanie Meyer official site. There it says that Breaking Dawn also took inspiration from The Merchant of Venice. I think it may be relevant to add it to the inspiration and themes section. Here is the link to the official Breaking Dawn FAQ, questions 4 and 5 ("Why the big build-up for a fight that didn't happen?" and "What was the other book besides Midsummer Night's Dream that you said influenced Breaking Dawn?") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.127.38.49 ( talk) 01:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please perhaps provide an image of the series of books which doesn't have a Shakespeare with "SUICIDE" scribbled on it (multiple times), as well as some unidentified Arabic along with tons of other text? It really doesn't look encyclopedic (or professional, it looks like someone was trying to sneak an image of their highschool yearbook in). I was considering removing it myself, but thought it might be better if someone could replace it with an appropriate image....
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{{editsemiprotected}} In the last line, the article still refers to the third movie in the future tense as something like "will be released" and should be "was released"
128.196.90.230 ( talk) 22:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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The source says that its been translated into 37 (both) and the text says that its been translated into 38. Could someone change that? I would do it myself, but I'm too stupid to find the Edit button - forgive me^^ Littlepanimausi ( talk) 09:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Rebecca Housels work about Twilight be listed, too? [ [1]] 84.56.253.206 ( talk) 11:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Please add german as language -- 84.57.133.66 ( talk) 16:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Isn't the idea of these pages to give an impartial view of a topic, as opposed to a gushing review? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.211.116.201 ( talk) 03:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
The introduction to the article states that the book is most popular among "young adults." For better accuracy, "young adults" should be changed to "teenage girls" or "young women." I believe that this change should be seriously considered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whittcal ( talk • contribs) 23:29, November 22, 2009
Teenage girls would sound too biased, IMO. And anwyays, the Saga is marketed towards YOUNG ADULTS and not TEEN GIRLS and plus Twilight is not categorized as chick lit so young adults is right. Mo HH92 Talk 03:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
YEAH SOME GUYS MAY FIND IT INTERESTING TO KNOW THE STORY. AND FOR SOME DUMB REASON THEY MY LIKE THE WHOLE ROMANCE THING. OR MAYBE THEY JUST ENJOY VAMPIRES Punksk8r99 ( talk) 18:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering, shouldn't this article be renamed "The Twilight Saga" instead of "Twilght (series)"?? The Twilight Saga is the proper name, isn't it? -- Glimmer721 talk 01:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Just suggesting that this page should be either fully protected or semi-protected because it attracts people who detest the Twilight Saga and therefore edits the page to make up some random stuff about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but its getting rediculous now. I have had to change it a few times (Only Minor things) but its unfair on the editors who have written paragraphs, to see their work being disrespected by removal and then slander. Sorry for going on, but it's just not fair. Thanks for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emily0062 ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The fact that you don't want to see criticisms of these books is NOT valid cause for page protection, nor does your love of these books make negative opinions of these books "made up". These books have recieved an incredible amount of negative reviews and criticism, and while the Twilight series is one of the most popular of all time, it is also in many ways one of the most hated of all time, and those viewpoints have an equal right to be expressed in this article. That is the DEFINITION of "Neutral Point of View". — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDiNardo ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
It's specifically stated in the books that the Quileutes aren't werewolves, that should really be changed so it's not inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.59.219 ( talk) 10:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
this section needs to be broken up, it's too mashed together
also, it seems biased in the praise of Twilight, without giving enough attention to the overwhelming criticism-- 99.101.160.159 ( talk) 17:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I also have a problem with the sentence: "Referring to the series' enduring popularity and fandom, USA Today said, "Move over, Harry Potter".[49]" Actually, the USA Today reviewer was pointing to the fact that Eclipse had topped Deathly Hallows on the USA Today Bestseller List. Glimmer721 talk 00:26, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, this article is incredibly biased and makes almost no reference to the HUGE amount of negative criticism of the book series or of Stephanie Meyer's writing. But of course the article has been locked, meaning nobody can tag it for it's clearly non-neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDiNardo ( talk • contribs) 12:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, tried to break up the reception to be more easily readable, and added in some of the criticisms/controversy to create NPOV. Lemme know what you think? Koothrappali ( talk) 10:21, 24 November 2011 (UTC)Koothrappali
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I can see how New Moon is based on Romeo and Juliet given the very close plot similarity, but, honestly, what is the relation if any between Eclipse and Wuthering Heights ? Edward doesn't remind me of Edgar and Jacob is nothing like Heathcliff. 187.34.79.73 ( talk) 13:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone asked Meyers if the name "Cullens" is based on a word play on "Collins" from the Dark Shadows 60s/70s drama (or more specifically Barnabas Collins)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.3.104 ( talk) 15:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Wuthering Heights is a major influence on the book and there are a few references to it and a few things are loosely based on it but the books themselves are not based on it. Nor are the characters. There are also references to Romeo and Juliet and some things are also loosely based upon it but also not much. Stephenie Meyer has said these things in numerous interviews and has even had a few things on it on her website but I'm pretty sure they're gone now. Sazza21 ( talk) 02:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
as an example, at the end of the film when in hospital Bella has nasal prong oxygen which shifts between being over her eyes, then over her cheeks and then back over her eyes when with Edward.
More are surely present and might be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.243.219 ( talk) 11:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Those are called movie mistakes. They are in every movie ever made. If you look hard enough, you can see multiple of them in any and every film. That is in now way relevant to this article. Sazza21 ( talk) 01:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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Twilight is a series where a teenage girl has to choose the heart of a vampire or a muscular werewolf. this series started by Stephanie Meyer. there is the books Twilight,Twilight saga:new moon,Twilight saga:Eclpise, and Twilight saga breaking dawn. the main characters are Isabelle Swan, Edward Cullen, and Jacob Black.-- 98.92.59.192 ( talk) 00:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC) 98.92.59.192 ( talk) 00:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
An interesting fact, too substantial to omit, is that the Twilight series provided the basis for the record-breaking 'Fifty Shades' series of erotic fiction. It it well and widely documented that the latter series developed from Twightlight 'fan fiction', which speculatively developed the two leading Twilight characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.108.14 ( talk) 08:18, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Stephenie Meyer's was going to add to the series by writing another novel, from the character Edward Cullen's point of view.
I think the article should be renamed The Twilight Saga, because that is the official name of the series. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Twilight (series) → The Twilight Saga – This the both the proper and most common name of the series. Charles Essie ( talk) 18:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 07:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
No substantiation for nom's claim" is this because you have checked and know that there is "No substantiation for the nom's claim" or because "No substantiation has as yet been presented for the nom's claim" or something else? Greg Kaye 21:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
As the author of the Twilight Saga, I control the copyright and it is up to the owner of the copyright to decide when the books should be made" and "
the second book in the Twilight Saga,".
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I just found one factual error in the text. Edward never messes with Bella's car so she can't go see her friend. Her dad is paranoid that she is going to sneak out one night so he disconnects the battery in her truck. Edward simply makes Bella aware, in the morning, that he heard Charlie re-attaching the battery cables. On page 299 of Twilight, is when Bella says that Charlie thinks she is sneaking out and on page 313, Edward tells her that Charlie had left for work after reattaching her battery. |
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Types of mythological or fantastic beings in contemporary fiction is a page of, well, fantasy works (movie, TV, written, whatever) and the assorted mythological and/or fantastic critters they contain. This series would qualify. Anyone care to add it? Tamtrible ( talk) 18:13, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
I think there is too much coverage of the criticism of Twilight in this article and not enough coverage of the positive reviews. Lev Grossman gave Meyers more substantial praise:
The way she manages the reader's curiosity, maintaining tension and controlling the flow of information, is simply virtuosic. She creates a compulsion in the reader that is not unvampiric. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1734838,00.html#ixzz2P8tbEFrq
...and Fresh Air book critic Maureen Corrigan praised the first novel for expressing "female longing." There is so much feminist criticism of Twilight in this article that one would think there is no possible feminist take on the books that is positive. I think a nuanced feminist appreciation of Twilight is quite possible. The section on positive reception quickly turns to a discussion of its popularity despite (it is implied) mediocre merit. It would be better to see the saga as an inkblot of where we are as a culture re: sex and gender, with Meyers as the medium who dreamed up an effective metaphor. If the article weren't locked I would add Grossman's praise of Meyers' story telling abilities and perhaps track down the citation to add Corrigan's praise as well. 76.254.21.120 ( talk) 18:29, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I think the fact that they chose Kristen Stewart ro play the role of Bella really offends me since Im the Stewart and I was the one iinfatuated with Jacob long ago and Kristi betrayed me as a sister through my girlish crush and altered everyones lives and now I get beat up for it and treated like less than nothing when I always had feelings for Jacob and Im sick of other people pretending to be me.
Granted this is all fiction since we were kept apart due to Kristi
Although obviously if that hadnt happened jacob wouldnt be such a disappointment as a person mentally I dont think. RCCola115 ( talk) 16:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if Im just being dumb but the source (21) for the amount of her first book deal just links to a Harry Potter article. It has no mention of Twilight or this amount. I dont even think the article has an embedded video. Please delete this if im wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.246.87 ( talk) 02:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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I just wanted to point out to this information found in Stephanie Meyer official site. There it says that Breaking Dawn also took inspiration from The Merchant of Venice. I think it may be relevant to add it to the inspiration and themes section. Here is the link to the official Breaking Dawn FAQ, questions 4 and 5 ("Why the big build-up for a fight that didn't happen?" and "What was the other book besides Midsummer Night's Dream that you said influenced Breaking Dawn?") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.127.38.49 ( talk) 01:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Could someone please perhaps provide an image of the series of books which doesn't have a Shakespeare with "SUICIDE" scribbled on it (multiple times), as well as some unidentified Arabic along with tons of other text? It really doesn't look encyclopedic (or professional, it looks like someone was trying to sneak an image of their highschool yearbook in). I was considering removing it myself, but thought it might be better if someone could replace it with an appropriate image....
Done
{{editsemiprotected}} In the last line, the article still refers to the third movie in the future tense as something like "will be released" and should be "was released"
128.196.90.230 ( talk) 22:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Done
The source says that its been translated into 37 (both) and the text says that its been translated into 38. Could someone change that? I would do it myself, but I'm too stupid to find the Edit button - forgive me^^ Littlepanimausi ( talk) 09:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Rebecca Housels work about Twilight be listed, too? [ [1]] 84.56.253.206 ( talk) 11:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Please add german as language -- 84.57.133.66 ( talk) 16:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Isn't the idea of these pages to give an impartial view of a topic, as opposed to a gushing review? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.211.116.201 ( talk) 03:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
The introduction to the article states that the book is most popular among "young adults." For better accuracy, "young adults" should be changed to "teenage girls" or "young women." I believe that this change should be seriously considered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whittcal ( talk • contribs) 23:29, November 22, 2009
Teenage girls would sound too biased, IMO. And anwyays, the Saga is marketed towards YOUNG ADULTS and not TEEN GIRLS and plus Twilight is not categorized as chick lit so young adults is right. Mo HH92 Talk 03:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
YEAH SOME GUYS MAY FIND IT INTERESTING TO KNOW THE STORY. AND FOR SOME DUMB REASON THEY MY LIKE THE WHOLE ROMANCE THING. OR MAYBE THEY JUST ENJOY VAMPIRES Punksk8r99 ( talk) 18:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering, shouldn't this article be renamed "The Twilight Saga" instead of "Twilght (series)"?? The Twilight Saga is the proper name, isn't it? -- Glimmer721 talk 01:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Just suggesting that this page should be either fully protected or semi-protected because it attracts people who detest the Twilight Saga and therefore edits the page to make up some random stuff about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but its getting rediculous now. I have had to change it a few times (Only Minor things) but its unfair on the editors who have written paragraphs, to see their work being disrespected by removal and then slander. Sorry for going on, but it's just not fair. Thanks for your time —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emily0062 ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The fact that you don't want to see criticisms of these books is NOT valid cause for page protection, nor does your love of these books make negative opinions of these books "made up". These books have recieved an incredible amount of negative reviews and criticism, and while the Twilight series is one of the most popular of all time, it is also in many ways one of the most hated of all time, and those viewpoints have an equal right to be expressed in this article. That is the DEFINITION of "Neutral Point of View". — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDiNardo ( talk • contribs) 12:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
It's specifically stated in the books that the Quileutes aren't werewolves, that should really be changed so it's not inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.59.219 ( talk) 10:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
this section needs to be broken up, it's too mashed together
also, it seems biased in the praise of Twilight, without giving enough attention to the overwhelming criticism-- 99.101.160.159 ( talk) 17:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I also have a problem with the sentence: "Referring to the series' enduring popularity and fandom, USA Today said, "Move over, Harry Potter".[49]" Actually, the USA Today reviewer was pointing to the fact that Eclipse had topped Deathly Hallows on the USA Today Bestseller List. Glimmer721 talk 00:26, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, this article is incredibly biased and makes almost no reference to the HUGE amount of negative criticism of the book series or of Stephanie Meyer's writing. But of course the article has been locked, meaning nobody can tag it for it's clearly non-neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDiNardo ( talk • contribs) 12:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, tried to break up the reception to be more easily readable, and added in some of the criticisms/controversy to create NPOV. Lemme know what you think? Koothrappali ( talk) 10:21, 24 November 2011 (UTC)Koothrappali
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I can see how New Moon is based on Romeo and Juliet given the very close plot similarity, but, honestly, what is the relation if any between Eclipse and Wuthering Heights ? Edward doesn't remind me of Edgar and Jacob is nothing like Heathcliff. 187.34.79.73 ( talk) 13:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Has anyone asked Meyers if the name "Cullens" is based on a word play on "Collins" from the Dark Shadows 60s/70s drama (or more specifically Barnabas Collins)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.3.104 ( talk) 15:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Wuthering Heights is a major influence on the book and there are a few references to it and a few things are loosely based on it but the books themselves are not based on it. Nor are the characters. There are also references to Romeo and Juliet and some things are also loosely based upon it but also not much. Stephenie Meyer has said these things in numerous interviews and has even had a few things on it on her website but I'm pretty sure they're gone now. Sazza21 ( talk) 02:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
as an example, at the end of the film when in hospital Bella has nasal prong oxygen which shifts between being over her eyes, then over her cheeks and then back over her eyes when with Edward.
More are surely present and might be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.243.219 ( talk) 11:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Those are called movie mistakes. They are in every movie ever made. If you look hard enough, you can see multiple of them in any and every film. That is in now way relevant to this article. Sazza21 ( talk) 01:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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Twilight is a series where a teenage girl has to choose the heart of a vampire or a muscular werewolf. this series started by Stephanie Meyer. there is the books Twilight,Twilight saga:new moon,Twilight saga:Eclpise, and Twilight saga breaking dawn. the main characters are Isabelle Swan, Edward Cullen, and Jacob Black.-- 98.92.59.192 ( talk) 00:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC) 98.92.59.192 ( talk) 00:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
An interesting fact, too substantial to omit, is that the Twilight series provided the basis for the record-breaking 'Fifty Shades' series of erotic fiction. It it well and widely documented that the latter series developed from Twightlight 'fan fiction', which speculatively developed the two leading Twilight characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.108.14 ( talk) 08:18, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Stephenie Meyer's was going to add to the series by writing another novel, from the character Edward Cullen's point of view.
I think the article should be renamed The Twilight Saga, because that is the official name of the series. Charles Essie ( talk) 22:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
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Twilight (series) → The Twilight Saga – This the both the proper and most common name of the series. Charles Essie ( talk) 18:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 07:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
No substantiation for nom's claim" is this because you have checked and know that there is "No substantiation for the nom's claim" or because "No substantiation has as yet been presented for the nom's claim" or something else? Greg Kaye 21:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
As the author of the Twilight Saga, I control the copyright and it is up to the owner of the copyright to decide when the books should be made" and "
the second book in the Twilight Saga,".
The result of the move request was: moved to Twilight (novel series). ( non-admin closure) sovereign° sentinel (contribs) 07:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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I just found one factual error in the text. Edward never messes with Bella's car so she can't go see her friend. Her dad is paranoid that she is going to sneak out one night so he disconnects the battery in her truck. Edward simply makes Bella aware, in the morning, that he heard Charlie re-attaching the battery cables. On page 299 of Twilight, is when Bella says that Charlie thinks she is sneaking out and on page 313, Edward tells her that Charlie had left for work after reattaching her battery. |
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I think there is too much coverage of the criticism of Twilight in this article and not enough coverage of the positive reviews. Lev Grossman gave Meyers more substantial praise:
The way she manages the reader's curiosity, maintaining tension and controlling the flow of information, is simply virtuosic. She creates a compulsion in the reader that is not unvampiric. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1734838,00.html#ixzz2P8tbEFrq
...and Fresh Air book critic Maureen Corrigan praised the first novel for expressing "female longing." There is so much feminist criticism of Twilight in this article that one would think there is no possible feminist take on the books that is positive. I think a nuanced feminist appreciation of Twilight is quite possible. The section on positive reception quickly turns to a discussion of its popularity despite (it is implied) mediocre merit. It would be better to see the saga as an inkblot of where we are as a culture re: sex and gender, with Meyers as the medium who dreamed up an effective metaphor. If the article weren't locked I would add Grossman's praise of Meyers' story telling abilities and perhaps track down the citation to add Corrigan's praise as well. 76.254.21.120 ( talk) 18:29, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I think the fact that they chose Kristen Stewart ro play the role of Bella really offends me since Im the Stewart and I was the one iinfatuated with Jacob long ago and Kristi betrayed me as a sister through my girlish crush and altered everyones lives and now I get beat up for it and treated like less than nothing when I always had feelings for Jacob and Im sick of other people pretending to be me.
Granted this is all fiction since we were kept apart due to Kristi
Although obviously if that hadnt happened jacob wouldnt be such a disappointment as a person mentally I dont think. RCCola115 ( talk) 16:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if Im just being dumb but the source (21) for the amount of her first book deal just links to a Harry Potter article. It has no mention of Twilight or this amount. I dont even think the article has an embedded video. Please delete this if im wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.246.87 ( talk) 02:17, 4 April 2019 (UTC)