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@ 2600:4040:A68E:9B00:5D3F:7C33:DB6E:5C52 added North Korea as a second allegiance for King, which I reverted, and then they reinstated in as opposed to discussing it per WP:BRD.
So I guess I'm gonna start a discussion so this doesn't become an edit war. In my opinion, it is not in any way clear that King entered North Korea with the intent of "joining" them or pledging his allegiance to them in any way.
I'm not gonna say that we know why he escaped, but I think it is fair to say that the current working hypothesis as reported by reliable sources is that he entered North Korea to avoid punishment by the Army. Even if you don't subscribe to that, there is no way to support the idea that he crossed the MDL with the intent to align himself with the DPRK with reliable sources.
As a side note, some other notable deserters to North Korea like Charles Robert Jenkins also do not have the DPRK listed as a second allegiance. – Recoil16 ( talk) 21:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Is King the first black American to defect to Korea? If so, then it should be stated in the article as an achievement of historical significance. Currently, his race is listed as a category only. 1.127.104.36 ( talk) 16:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Please see WP:MILDATE. The Ameican military uses Day, Month, Year format. — Maile ( talk) 14:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
The references claim that he was born in 1999 or 2000 and graduated high school in 2020. That obviously cannot be the case, as it would mean that he graduated high school at age 19, 20, or 21. While under some rare circumstances it is possible to graduate high school at age 19, there is no way he would have graduated high school at age 20 or 21. Something doesn't seem right. Where is Matt? ( talk) 13:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
When will someone add that to the Wiki page. He's a traitor. 74.88.112.61 ( talk) 21:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Nominator: Anime King ( talk · contribs) 14:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Czarking0 ( talk · contribs) 23:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for opening this review. I think this article is close to GA but has some issues I'd like to remedy.
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | |
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2c. it contains no original research. | |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | |
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. |
Can we find an image of him? |
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7. Overall assessment. |
I believe this article is in violation of WP:BIO. After a week with no comments from contributors and much longer with no response from the nominator I am rejecting this review. Don't frame this as a failure though. good progress was made and I think with a move and some rewriting it can get GA. |
Read news on Gordon Black today ( https://www.reuters.com/world/us-soldier-detained-russia-travelled-through-china-without-clearance-army-2024-05-07) and the article mentions not only was Gordon "assigned to Camp Humphreys in South Korea" but then later mentions Travis King. Checked and didn't see a page for Gordon (yet?) but if (when) one gets made, it would be good to include each other, at least under the "See also" section. ₪Rickn Asia₪ 02:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
what happened to him?? 32.219.217.173 ( talk) 15:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ 2600:4040:A68E:9B00:5D3F:7C33:DB6E:5C52 added North Korea as a second allegiance for King, which I reverted, and then they reinstated in as opposed to discussing it per WP:BRD.
So I guess I'm gonna start a discussion so this doesn't become an edit war. In my opinion, it is not in any way clear that King entered North Korea with the intent of "joining" them or pledging his allegiance to them in any way.
I'm not gonna say that we know why he escaped, but I think it is fair to say that the current working hypothesis as reported by reliable sources is that he entered North Korea to avoid punishment by the Army. Even if you don't subscribe to that, there is no way to support the idea that he crossed the MDL with the intent to align himself with the DPRK with reliable sources.
As a side note, some other notable deserters to North Korea like Charles Robert Jenkins also do not have the DPRK listed as a second allegiance. – Recoil16 ( talk) 21:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Is King the first black American to defect to Korea? If so, then it should be stated in the article as an achievement of historical significance. Currently, his race is listed as a category only. 1.127.104.36 ( talk) 16:28, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Please see WP:MILDATE. The Ameican military uses Day, Month, Year format. — Maile ( talk) 14:11, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
The references claim that he was born in 1999 or 2000 and graduated high school in 2020. That obviously cannot be the case, as it would mean that he graduated high school at age 19, 20, or 21. While under some rare circumstances it is possible to graduate high school at age 19, there is no way he would have graduated high school at age 20 or 21. Something doesn't seem right. Where is Matt? ( talk) 13:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
When will someone add that to the Wiki page. He's a traitor. 74.88.112.61 ( talk) 21:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Nominator: Anime King ( talk · contribs) 14:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Czarking0 ( talk · contribs) 23:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for opening this review. I think this article is close to GA but has some issues I'd like to remedy.
Rate | Attribute | Review Comment |
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1. Well-written: | ||
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
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2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | |
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2c. it contains no original research. | |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. |
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3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. |
Can we find an image of him? |
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7. Overall assessment. |
I believe this article is in violation of WP:BIO. After a week with no comments from contributors and much longer with no response from the nominator I am rejecting this review. Don't frame this as a failure though. good progress was made and I think with a move and some rewriting it can get GA. |
Read news on Gordon Black today ( https://www.reuters.com/world/us-soldier-detained-russia-travelled-through-china-without-clearance-army-2024-05-07) and the article mentions not only was Gordon "assigned to Camp Humphreys in South Korea" but then later mentions Travis King. Checked and didn't see a page for Gordon (yet?) but if (when) one gets made, it would be good to include each other, at least under the "See also" section. ₪Rickn Asia₪ 02:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
what happened to him?? 32.219.217.173 ( talk) 15:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)