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@ United States Man: I brought this up at Talk:Tornadoes of 2020#2021 article, but it is too early to have this article here. We should wait until January 1, since there is no content that could possibly added to this page until then. I would suggest moving this page and the January list to draftspace until then. TornadoLGS ( talk) 20:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Hurricanetrack, 453Brax, and ChessEric: Shouldn't the confirmed count technically still be zero? We only have the preliminary SPC reports so far, no actual surveys. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Talk:List of United States tornadoes in January 2021#Fultondale tornado - separate article discussion regarding To determine if the Fultondale tornado deserves a seperate article. Thank you.
Elijahandskip (
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The notability of the Tallahassee tornado is questionable. We'll wait until the damage survey is and see if other tornadoes are confirmed from this event, but if it turns out to be an isolated EF0 or EF1 tornado, its section should be removed from this article. TornadoLGS ( talk) 21:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Do we need a section for January 1? Four relatively weak tornadoes with a typical injury from the flipping of a mobile home does not seem worthy of this. ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 20:16, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Does someone wanna update the confirmed tornado map that's at the top of the main page? Idk how to add the triangles that represent the tornado location and rating. But we've got some tornadoes to add. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 04:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh fair enough. Didn't know it was a personal map lol. I thought they would upgrade it to EF4 as well, so it was a good idea to leave it I guess. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 05:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Discussion Topic: Removing the confusing “There have been X tornadoes reported in the United States, of which X tornadoes have been confirmed.” which can be confusing to the reader, and replacing it with “There have been X tornadoes confirmed in the United States.” just makes better sense. -(United States Man from section now in drop-down below)
@ TornadoLGS, Hurricanetrack, 453Brax, TropicalAnalystwx13, Tornadotom666, Elijahandskip, Cyclonebiskit, TornadoInformation12, Hurricanehink, HurricaneGonzalo, Redfishtwofish, and OakhurstWX: United States Man bought up a good point in his recent edits; trying to single out preliminary reports and confirmed tornadoes is BONKERS and confusing. I think we should remove them from ALL the tornado articles. Thoughts? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 04:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
That would be unnecessary. What specifically does the "reports" add to the article? We don't have a separate list for "reported but unconfirmed tornadoes", and many filtered reports are still connected to the same tornado during surveys (especially long track ones), so the "reported" total is nearly always going to be inflated. But, again, what does it really add to the article? We don't put it in the outbreak articles or monthly lists (let's NOT start that btw). Furthermore, when someone comes to the article, they are looking for the number of tornadoes (confirmed) so seeing conflicting numbers for "reported" vs. "confirmed" is hopelessly confusing. We don't have a vandalism problem; we have a mass confusion problem. I do not agree at all with the notion that removing this line would actually cause even more confusion. United States Man ( talk) 02:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Confusion from misreading & miscommunication with Elijahandskip & United States Man
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I'm quite late to this discussion and my thoughts might not even matter, but I don't see the problem with stating "there have been X many tornado reports in (month), of which X have been confirmed." Like we did last year, instead of doing all reports from the SPC, we started using the filtered tornado reports which helped to cut out a lot of duplicates or false reports. I think its worth keeping in the filtered reports along with the confirmed tornadoes. **I also definitely support only adding confirmed tornadoes when they are 100% certified via NWS surveys**. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 03:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I have added back a mention of reported tornadoes for March, since people don't seem to realize that the recent reports of tornadoes in Texas are not confirmed. TornadoLGS ( talk) 21:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Like I said before, I don't see what the issue was with what we were doing. The way you guys had been doing things had been working for years. Having the "there have X tornadoes reported in (month), of which X have been confirmed," seems like the best option in my opinion. Using filtered reports from the SPC as the "reports" slot and then using confirmed tornadoes from NWS surveys in the "confirmed" tornado slot. I don't see what's wrong with it. Helps with keeping track of events, helps with statistics at the top of the article, and just makes sense to include how many have been reported vs confirmed. If you guys change this already fine template for this year, you'll probably need to go back to previous years and make it fit this new template, which doesn't make sense to me. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 18:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
@ ChessEric and United States Man: Shall we discuss this rather than having an edit war? I agree with ChessEric in this case. We've had several PDS tornado warnings with at least two wedge tornadoes reported. We only have basic information, but this is a significant enough event to warrant a section. TornadoLGS ( talk) 22:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
On another note, should we include March 12 in this? A few tornadoes were reported yesterday and it appears to be from the same frontal boundary. Also, sorry about getting worked up. I was mostly tired of edit wars from last year's hurricane season. TornadoLGS ( talk) 22:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
@ United States Man and ChessEric: On the subject of whether one or more tornadoes prompted the PDS tornado warnings, the LSRs are not entirely clear; there are three statements that seem relevant:
The report of a new tornado at 21:55 may not mean a new large tornado, but a smaller tornado with a large one still ongoing. The 21:23 and 21:30 might be the same if there is uncertainty about the exact time of the observation. We should wait until more information is available to sort these out since we could be dealing with a long track tornado or a more complex tornado family. TornadoLGS ( talk) 18:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
My most recent comments on the matter of including reported tornadoes seem to have been ignored, but it seems to warrant further discussion. With the latest outbreak in Texas, as soon a tornadoes were reported, IP editors started adding reported tornadoes to the confirmed total. We ended up reverting more edits than before this transition to the point that the page had to be semi-protected. This leads me to believe that my initial concerns were correct; removing the count of reported tornadoes caused more confusion because the layperson does not know that there is a difference between tornado reports and confirmed tornadoes. The administrator who protected the article urged us to clarify this difference. Even if we don't include the reported totals in the article, we need a solution so we don't end up reverting with every tornado report. TornadoLGS ( talk) 17:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I honestly really dislike the idea of completely getting rid of preliminary reports under each month's tab. It's less confusing and it makes sense to have preliminary reports along with confirmed tornadoes, like we've been doing for years. Just using the filtered reports from the SPC is a good way to do that, which we had again, been doing for years. I would vote against continuing this "confirmed tornadoes only" thing that's going on. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 00:28, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
The March 12-15 tornadoes were all part of the same system as are the March 16-17 tornadoes (which will more than likely have more tornadoes between March 18). Should we try to expand them once these events are over? Also, anyone got a prototype article for the current outbreak? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 18:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
@ TornadoLGS and United States Man: Understood. On a side note, sorry for my antics during the past few days. I had a project and midterm to complete and I was a little stressed out. ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
So, I recently had the idea to have a new version of the current event template specifically catered to tornado outbreaks. The two specific statements in might include would caution that A: Directing users to the NWS (or the appropriate meteorological organization) stating that Wikipedia does not provide information on current hazards and B: preliminary counts of tornadoes from warnings and SPC reports may not reflect the actual number of tornadoes. I was thinking of working on this myself later, but I'm still a bit loopy from the painkillers. TornadoLGS ( talk) 20:38, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Should a section be made for reported tornadoes on March 27? Mathguy Michael ( talk) 01:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Currently, the Newnan tornado is listed in the infobox and fatalities map as having occurred on March 25, but, as far as I can tell, the EF4 damage and the fatality happened just after Midnight on March 26. I'm leaning toward changing the date accordingly and including a note. I was going to just be WP:BOLD and do it, but this seems like the sort of thing that would start an edit war. TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
A map of confirmed U.S. tornadoes by their Enhanced Fujita scale ratings | |
I have been experimenting with the map feature and ported my tornado track data to geojson to display on Wikipedia. It allows users view detailed survey plots of tornadoes, however I'm concerned about slow down for users on less capable hardware. Just wanted to demonstrate the feature and how it could be used in tornado articles in the future. Maybe replace the start location to link to the tornado map in the list articles? Would like to hear feedback if anyone has any. Also the color scheme was random colors that would be highly visible on the map, certainly not set in stone. And on top of that, tornado metadata is not able to be displayed on the map. Things to consider. Supportstorm ( talk) 08:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
should you put in a section for april 7th? i know none have been confirmed yet, but 3 have been reported so far. (one of them seems like ef2 damage https://tornadopaths.org/) also there is still a chance for tornadoes today and tomorrow, and there is nothing for april so far. (9:31 april 8 2021)
Currently, the lead contains the sentence "There have been 249 preliminary filtered reports of tornadoes in the United States in 2021, 179 of which have been confirmed." This wording implies that there were 70 unconfirmed reports, which is not entirely true since much of the overcount is from individual tornadoes being reported more than once, rather than reports that weren't confirmed. We've always more-or-less used this phrasing, but it could be made more accurate. I figured I'd bring it up here since it is a long-standing convention. TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
The tornados are from January 1 to April 11. I know there have been some after then. When will they be put here? FreeWikiFrog ( talk) 16:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank You! FreeWikiFrog ( talk) 20:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the May tornado list ahead of time ShibaInuDog2012 Weather ( talk) 00:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
@ United States Man, TornadoLGS, and 453Brax: Can I get a little help with this May 2 tornado outbreak section. Also, judging from how we have had MULTIPLE PDS tornado warnings and now a tornado emergency (not to mention the severe weather outbreak occurring across the Plains), I think we should start considering an article for this outbreak. ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 03:07, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Yesterday, there was a tornado in Decatur, and I wanted to put it here. Who deleted it, and why? It was a good-faith edit.
So I want everyone's opinion on this should we continue to use Image 1 which show's the locations where all the tornadoes occurred or should we use Image 2 which shows how many tornadoes occurred so far in the year and also every article similar to this from 2011 to 2020 used, personally I like Image 1 but everyone who's involved in this article I need your vote on this. Wikihelp7586 ( talk) 04:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC) .
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I absolutely love Image 1, but I feel like it’s going to look absolutely chaotic when we get to 500, 600, or more tornadoes on the year Redfishtwofish ( talk) 17:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Actually I love that concept map from 2019, if possible I would think that map style would fit amazingly as the image for this years article Redfishtwofish ( talk) 20:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I created interactive maps from 2009 to 2019. However template:Maplink doesn't show the map correctly (preview is perfectly fine). See Module talk:Mapframe#Features are not shown in a maplink frame.―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 14:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
For Tornadoes of 2011 on the right, template:Maplink works fine.―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 14:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I don’t think one EF0 is enough to qualify for a section, so I’m going to delete it. If anyone thinks that it should stay, leave your comments here. Redfishtwofish ( talk) 17:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I've constantly heard about how the main tornado articles should mention more info about tornadoes in other countries. With how severe this outbreak in China was, I think it presents the perfect opportunity for not just a section, but an article as well (that is, of course, if enough information presents itself). Thoughts? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 21:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
( edit conflict) *Conditional support If we can find sufficient sourcing and information. One reason I abandoned the draft for the 2019 Havana tornado was because I only had one good source. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 06:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
One tornado on the monthly list, near Crosby, Texas on May 20, has confirmed damage but there doesn't seem to be any published information on a rating (if you can find it, you get a cookie). But that leaves me unsure of how to list it in the map. I considered listing it as an EFU (with an asterisk), but property damage would seem to preclude an EFU rating. I also considered a "presumptive" EF0, since the damage sounds minor, but that would be WP:OR. Or I could add an EF? category to the legend, at least until some rating information comes out. In that case I would have be sure it gets a distinguishable color. Thoughts, anyone? TornadoLGS ( talk) 23:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
We have removed sections from yearly articles for non-notable events, but we don't seem to have clear criteria of what the threshold is, though I guess it is a bit subjective. Back in 2011 or so, Cyclonebiskit mentioned the criteria for inclusion were: (1) at least three tornadoes, (2) At least one (E)F2+ tornado, or (3) at least one killer tornado. But it seems we have quietly raised these criteria as isolated EF2 tornadoes and events with more than three tornadoes have been excluded. At the same time, an isolated tornado in Australia with no injuries and damage looking EF0-EF1 has a section. I left that one in since it could still fit some new criteria. The idea I had was for something like this:
Thoughts? TornadoLGS ( talk) 19:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I tried to earlier today, it didn't work very well.
Oh, ok. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeWikiFrog ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
The two sections listed above came from the same system. Shouldn't this be one section, not two? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 18:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
So, a recent edit refers to the recent EF2 tornado in Georgia as high-end EF2, as estimated winds were 130 mph. While we've referred to 130-mph EF2s as high-end before, I've had my doubts about marking them as much, as 130 is only a little more than halfway between the midpoint of the wind range (123 mph) and the upper end (135 mph). TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I went and changed it on the main page a few days ago (would have posted this earlier but my account was buggy) Twister mister5 ( talk) 04:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey guys, first off sorry I’ve been absent, life has been busy lately. So anyway, I’m wondering what you all think of a July 28-29 Derecho and Tornado Outbreak article? This was a fairly significant and anomalous outbreak, and one of the most significant July outbreaks in recent memory. Notable for producing multiple strong tornadoes during the “off season”, and in areas that typically do not see tornado outbreaks of this magnitude. The Bensalem EF3 is the most significant Philadelphia area tornado since 1994. One of the most prolific New Jersey tornado events on record, and the derecho was fairly notable too. We’re currently at 3 EF2s and one EF3. Also, I’m confident that we’ll see a fourth EF2 confirmed in Wintersville, OH by tomorrow. Thoughts? TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 01:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I think we should do an article, at least for the Mid-ATL portion. This is easily the most significant severe WX outbreak in the Mid-ATL region (not including tropical storms) since 4/19/19. This is especially the most significant for southeast Pennsylvania and New Jersey in a long time. Tornado counts are only going to go up as more tracks are confirmed as well. It wouldn't hurt to have an article. FreakShow91V2 ( talk) 10:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, it's Freakshow just on travel right now. It's been several days and still no article. I find this fits the requirements just fine. over 40 tornadoes have been confirmed, 1 EF3 and 4 EF2s (the EF3 and 2 EF2s were in some pretty populated areas) yet no article? 47.133.112.221 ( talk) 14:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 02:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I feel like we should stop deleting the August 9 sections. It should be there in my opinion because August has so few sections, it was a pretty sizeable outbreak (for August this year), and we added a section for the August 10 derecho last year which only had EF0 and EF1 tornadoes. Also I think we should add August 10 if that 1 reported tornado gets confirmed because it was a big storm. [1] Twister mister5 ( talk) 03:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
August 10th had a significant EF3 tornado but I do agree that August 9th should stay. JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 21:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 02:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
Oh I mustve mistaken August 7th for August 10th. JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 02:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 can you please stop deleting the section for august 9-11. it is/was a bunch of severe weather events that have produced multitudes of tornadoes. if you look at august 10 2020 in tornadoes of 2020 you will see that there is a section for the derecho even though it only produced EF0s and EF1s. p.s there was a derecho on august 10 2021. also there was a tornado that looks like an EF2-EF3 completely leveling a barn. this outbreak is roughly the same size if not bigger than the august 10 2020. so please stop deleting the sections. Twister mister5 ( talk) 02:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I am currently waiting for someone to give me a decent reason it should be removed. so can someone please tell me why it should be deleted, and give good reason? Twister mister5 ( talk) 03:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)\
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 03:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 05:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I was talking about adding a section not an article it is clearly not worthy of an article. I only wanted to add a section in tornadoes of 2021. Clearly this was a big misunderstanding. Twister mister5 ( talk) 12:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
If anyone wants to create a section (not an article) on the August 9-11 event, feel free to do so. I didn't intend to scare anyone away from contributing. I was just under the impression that some people wanted a full article on this fairly minor event. If nobody does, I'll put something together after work. TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 18:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
@ ChessEric, TornadoInformation12, United States Man, and 453Brax: Looks like the NCDC data for May's tornadoes is out. Apparently the unrated "tornado" of May 20 was just a gustnado and should be removed when we update that list. I'm not sure if I'll be getting to the update tomorrow. TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:48, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Somebody changed that event section to show that there were a total of eight EF2s and one EF1 in Ontario that day, with no source to back it up, so I reverted it. Can somebody point me to where this information originated so I can verify and properly source it?
-The Barrie high-end EF2, Lorneville EF2, Little Britain EF2, Dwight EF2, Lake Traverse EF2, and Sunbeam Lake EF2 are all properly sourced with the existing refs.
-The alleged Brown Hill, Sonya, and Vallentyne tornadoes were NOT sourced, nor listed with their individual EF scale ratings, and I had to remove them.
Please help me source this information. I haven't had any luck finding it so far, and it would be a shame if we are unable to document these tornadoes simply because somebody forgot to add a source. TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 05:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I found a Twitter post by the Northern Tornadoes Project on it but I cant find any articles about it unfortunately JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 20:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I just did a new update of that map being used as the main image, and it might be the last, since my license for ArcGIS expires tomorrow. I will look in to using QGIS, and I should be able to continue updating if that works out. TornadoLGS ( talk) 00:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Title says it all. The Ida Outbreak now mysteriously has a count of 17 EF0s, yet the total tornado count is still at 21 rather than 29 in the main article. None of the EF0s were added to the monthly tables OR the article tables. There are now a bunch of tornadoes in the monthly table that are missing from the article table. There was zero effort put into updating other tables or tornado totals, negating any degree of consistency. I'm going to fix it, but please complete your work next time. TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 02:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 02:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformatoin12
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@ ChessEric, 453Brax, United States Man, TornadoInformation12, and Prism55: NCEI data for June's tornadoes are now available. I also got a renewed license of ArcGIS, so I will have the capability of continuing to update the map. Perhaps a bit ironically, though, the project for which I got approval for the license will probably keep me busy, so I will likely have less time to edit. I know you folks are probably pretty busy as well, but this update probably won't be as extensive as the one for May. TornadoLGS ( talk) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
There have been several tornadoes reported over the weekend and I think a few have been confirmed. The national weather service is heading out today to review some damage which will mean more confirmed tornadoes. Does someone want to add this or something? I usually just make grammatical edits. Twister mister5 ( talk) 13:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Can someone familiar with tornadoes help add a little summary to the tornado section in the draft I'm making for Weather of 2021, which will be an overview for all types of weather in this year. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
We need ones for the tornadoes in Ohio in october. Chevlon ( talk) 21:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
We also need the tornadoes from the October 10th, 11th, and 12th outbreaks Mmapgamerboy ( talk) 03:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I was just curious about why an October 10th-12th outbreak article hasn't been published yet. Mmapgamerboy ( talk) 21:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
In most situations I am seeing the location reference (i.e Eastern) as part of the town hyperlink, but more recently I'm seeing them blacked out and not hyperlinked. I'm fine with either, but there has to be some consistency, and we can't have both. Is there any consensus on which is the correct way to do it, and if not, can we come to a decision? TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 01:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 01:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
@ Elijahandskip and United States Man: If anything else is to be said on the matter, let's have it here before this turns into an edit war. I will say that I agree with United States Man on this. Waterspouts generally are not counted in tornado records unless they make landfall. All we have in this case is a tweet from an unofficial source, which is not a reliable source, and giving a rating to it would violate WP:NOR. TornadoLGS ( talk) 03:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
With a tornado emergency issued and fatalities already known, I started a draft for the outbreak. Draft:Tornado outbreak of December 10–11, 2021. Elijahandskip ( talk) 03:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Generally these things get lumped together, is there any reason why we seperated the Claudette and 20-21 sections up? Plus combined, they seem to be notable enough for an article (1 death, 33 injuries, 25 tornadoes). 69.118.232.58 ( talk) 20:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
There was also an EF3 that struck Woodridge and Bolingbrook in Illinois during the nighttime hours of June 20, 2021. Why is not on the list. NintendoTTTEfan2005 ( talk) 07:04, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
You all better put in some information Colin777724 ( talk) 21:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Why is the ef4 not listed can someone change that back 2600:100E:BE18:2FBA:58AB:5D85:98CC:2564 ( talk) 15:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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there should be 1168, add it up 47.19.209.230 ( talk) 18:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
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December tornadoes should be 134 (61 in 10-11, 57 on 15, 13 on 5-6 and 1 on 8 of month), meaning total should be 1,184 160.72.80.50 ( talk) 19:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
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the confirmed tor counts for December 15, 2021 event should be increased, as the number of confirmed tors has increased, 1 EF-U, 12 EF-0s, 34 EF-1s, and 23 EF-2s.
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December officially broke the record for most tornadoes. [1] TornadoFan45 ( talk) 21:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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september should have 27 tornadoes, NCEI so total should be 1234 98.116.128.15 ( talk) 12:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
please update chart 98.116.128.15 ( talk) 12:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I strongly believe that 2021 should no longer be noted as a below average year on the Wikipedia page. The annual tornado count for the United States in a year is ~1,200. That number has recently been surpassed. I feel that now we should note this tornado as an around average tornado year. 2600:1007:B03A:A6BD:8482:C460:77D0:529F ( talk) 16:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
should we have a section? Two tornadoes and an injury from DC is quite rare and the list looks wrong, looks notable enough for a section. 70.23.39.2 ( talk) 16:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the July 6-9 for Hurricane Elsa to July 7-9, as no tornadoes from Elsa touched down on the 6th. (See List of United States tornadoes from July to September 2021) 69.118.232.58 ( talk) 15:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Are we going to add the January 1, 2022 impacts in here, especially if the outbreak tomorrow busts and doesn’t warrant a section at Tornadoes in 2022? 67.82.182.94 ( talk) 22:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Are we gonna make an article? I get last time it was denied, but this had 69 tornadoes making it one of the largest October outbreaks, and it was also combined with a winter storm that did $50 million (so possibly a storm complex.) should we make an article as a result? It seems notable enough to me. 108.170.65.170 ( talk) 00:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
ChessEric, United States Man, TornadoLGS: NOAA published their Year In Review for 2021 and it says the US had 101 tornadic fatalities. We have it listed as 103, so we need to fix that, or have notes explaining why the 103 is different than NOAA's number. Elijahandskip ( talk) 20:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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@ United States Man: I brought this up at Talk:Tornadoes of 2020#2021 article, but it is too early to have this article here. We should wait until January 1, since there is no content that could possibly added to this page until then. I would suggest moving this page and the January list to draftspace until then. TornadoLGS ( talk) 20:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Hurricanetrack, 453Brax, and ChessEric: Shouldn't the confirmed count technically still be zero? We only have the preliminary SPC reports so far, no actual surveys. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:01, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Talk:List of United States tornadoes in January 2021#Fultondale tornado - separate article discussion regarding To determine if the Fultondale tornado deserves a seperate article. Thank you.
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The notability of the Tallahassee tornado is questionable. We'll wait until the damage survey is and see if other tornadoes are confirmed from this event, but if it turns out to be an isolated EF0 or EF1 tornado, its section should be removed from this article. TornadoLGS ( talk) 21:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Do we need a section for January 1? Four relatively weak tornadoes with a typical injury from the flipping of a mobile home does not seem worthy of this. ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 20:16, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Does someone wanna update the confirmed tornado map that's at the top of the main page? Idk how to add the triangles that represent the tornado location and rating. But we've got some tornadoes to add. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 04:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh fair enough. Didn't know it was a personal map lol. I thought they would upgrade it to EF4 as well, so it was a good idea to leave it I guess. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 05:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Discussion Topic: Removing the confusing “There have been X tornadoes reported in the United States, of which X tornadoes have been confirmed.” which can be confusing to the reader, and replacing it with “There have been X tornadoes confirmed in the United States.” just makes better sense. -(United States Man from section now in drop-down below)
@ TornadoLGS, Hurricanetrack, 453Brax, TropicalAnalystwx13, Tornadotom666, Elijahandskip, Cyclonebiskit, TornadoInformation12, Hurricanehink, HurricaneGonzalo, Redfishtwofish, and OakhurstWX: United States Man bought up a good point in his recent edits; trying to single out preliminary reports and confirmed tornadoes is BONKERS and confusing. I think we should remove them from ALL the tornado articles. Thoughts? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 04:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
That would be unnecessary. What specifically does the "reports" add to the article? We don't have a separate list for "reported but unconfirmed tornadoes", and many filtered reports are still connected to the same tornado during surveys (especially long track ones), so the "reported" total is nearly always going to be inflated. But, again, what does it really add to the article? We don't put it in the outbreak articles or monthly lists (let's NOT start that btw). Furthermore, when someone comes to the article, they are looking for the number of tornadoes (confirmed) so seeing conflicting numbers for "reported" vs. "confirmed" is hopelessly confusing. We don't have a vandalism problem; we have a mass confusion problem. I do not agree at all with the notion that removing this line would actually cause even more confusion. United States Man ( talk) 02:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm quite late to this discussion and my thoughts might not even matter, but I don't see the problem with stating "there have been X many tornado reports in (month), of which X have been confirmed." Like we did last year, instead of doing all reports from the SPC, we started using the filtered tornado reports which helped to cut out a lot of duplicates or false reports. I think its worth keeping in the filtered reports along with the confirmed tornadoes. **I also definitely support only adding confirmed tornadoes when they are 100% certified via NWS surveys**. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 03:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I have added back a mention of reported tornadoes for March, since people don't seem to realize that the recent reports of tornadoes in Texas are not confirmed. TornadoLGS ( talk) 21:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Like I said before, I don't see what the issue was with what we were doing. The way you guys had been doing things had been working for years. Having the "there have X tornadoes reported in (month), of which X have been confirmed," seems like the best option in my opinion. Using filtered reports from the SPC as the "reports" slot and then using confirmed tornadoes from NWS surveys in the "confirmed" tornado slot. I don't see what's wrong with it. Helps with keeping track of events, helps with statistics at the top of the article, and just makes sense to include how many have been reported vs confirmed. If you guys change this already fine template for this year, you'll probably need to go back to previous years and make it fit this new template, which doesn't make sense to me. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 18:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
@ ChessEric and United States Man: Shall we discuss this rather than having an edit war? I agree with ChessEric in this case. We've had several PDS tornado warnings with at least two wedge tornadoes reported. We only have basic information, but this is a significant enough event to warrant a section. TornadoLGS ( talk) 22:30, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
On another note, should we include March 12 in this? A few tornadoes were reported yesterday and it appears to be from the same frontal boundary. Also, sorry about getting worked up. I was mostly tired of edit wars from last year's hurricane season. TornadoLGS ( talk) 22:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
@ United States Man and ChessEric: On the subject of whether one or more tornadoes prompted the PDS tornado warnings, the LSRs are not entirely clear; there are three statements that seem relevant:
The report of a new tornado at 21:55 may not mean a new large tornado, but a smaller tornado with a large one still ongoing. The 21:23 and 21:30 might be the same if there is uncertainty about the exact time of the observation. We should wait until more information is available to sort these out since we could be dealing with a long track tornado or a more complex tornado family. TornadoLGS ( talk) 18:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
My most recent comments on the matter of including reported tornadoes seem to have been ignored, but it seems to warrant further discussion. With the latest outbreak in Texas, as soon a tornadoes were reported, IP editors started adding reported tornadoes to the confirmed total. We ended up reverting more edits than before this transition to the point that the page had to be semi-protected. This leads me to believe that my initial concerns were correct; removing the count of reported tornadoes caused more confusion because the layperson does not know that there is a difference between tornado reports and confirmed tornadoes. The administrator who protected the article urged us to clarify this difference. Even if we don't include the reported totals in the article, we need a solution so we don't end up reverting with every tornado report. TornadoLGS ( talk) 17:21, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I honestly really dislike the idea of completely getting rid of preliminary reports under each month's tab. It's less confusing and it makes sense to have preliminary reports along with confirmed tornadoes, like we've been doing for years. Just using the filtered reports from the SPC is a good way to do that, which we had again, been doing for years. I would vote against continuing this "confirmed tornadoes only" thing that's going on. Kade Ydstie45 ( talk) 00:28, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
The March 12-15 tornadoes were all part of the same system as are the March 16-17 tornadoes (which will more than likely have more tornadoes between March 18). Should we try to expand them once these events are over? Also, anyone got a prototype article for the current outbreak? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 18:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
@ TornadoLGS and United States Man: Understood. On a side note, sorry for my antics during the past few days. I had a project and midterm to complete and I was a little stressed out. ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 18:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
So, I recently had the idea to have a new version of the current event template specifically catered to tornado outbreaks. The two specific statements in might include would caution that A: Directing users to the NWS (or the appropriate meteorological organization) stating that Wikipedia does not provide information on current hazards and B: preliminary counts of tornadoes from warnings and SPC reports may not reflect the actual number of tornadoes. I was thinking of working on this myself later, but I'm still a bit loopy from the painkillers. TornadoLGS ( talk) 20:38, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Should a section be made for reported tornadoes on March 27? Mathguy Michael ( talk) 01:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Currently, the Newnan tornado is listed in the infobox and fatalities map as having occurred on March 25, but, as far as I can tell, the EF4 damage and the fatality happened just after Midnight on March 26. I'm leaning toward changing the date accordingly and including a note. I was going to just be WP:BOLD and do it, but this seems like the sort of thing that would start an edit war. TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:36, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
A map of confirmed U.S. tornadoes by their Enhanced Fujita scale ratings | |
I have been experimenting with the map feature and ported my tornado track data to geojson to display on Wikipedia. It allows users view detailed survey plots of tornadoes, however I'm concerned about slow down for users on less capable hardware. Just wanted to demonstrate the feature and how it could be used in tornado articles in the future. Maybe replace the start location to link to the tornado map in the list articles? Would like to hear feedback if anyone has any. Also the color scheme was random colors that would be highly visible on the map, certainly not set in stone. And on top of that, tornado metadata is not able to be displayed on the map. Things to consider. Supportstorm ( talk) 08:38, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
should you put in a section for april 7th? i know none have been confirmed yet, but 3 have been reported so far. (one of them seems like ef2 damage https://tornadopaths.org/) also there is still a chance for tornadoes today and tomorrow, and there is nothing for april so far. (9:31 april 8 2021)
Currently, the lead contains the sentence "There have been 249 preliminary filtered reports of tornadoes in the United States in 2021, 179 of which have been confirmed." This wording implies that there were 70 unconfirmed reports, which is not entirely true since much of the overcount is from individual tornadoes being reported more than once, rather than reports that weren't confirmed. We've always more-or-less used this phrasing, but it could be made more accurate. I figured I'd bring it up here since it is a long-standing convention. TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
The tornados are from January 1 to April 11. I know there have been some after then. When will they be put here? FreeWikiFrog ( talk) 16:04, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank You! FreeWikiFrog ( talk) 20:30, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the May tornado list ahead of time ShibaInuDog2012 Weather ( talk) 00:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
@ United States Man, TornadoLGS, and 453Brax: Can I get a little help with this May 2 tornado outbreak section. Also, judging from how we have had MULTIPLE PDS tornado warnings and now a tornado emergency (not to mention the severe weather outbreak occurring across the Plains), I think we should start considering an article for this outbreak. ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 03:07, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Yesterday, there was a tornado in Decatur, and I wanted to put it here. Who deleted it, and why? It was a good-faith edit.
So I want everyone's opinion on this should we continue to use Image 1 which show's the locations where all the tornadoes occurred or should we use Image 2 which shows how many tornadoes occurred so far in the year and also every article similar to this from 2011 to 2020 used, personally I like Image 1 but everyone who's involved in this article I need your vote on this. Wikihelp7586 ( talk) 04:51, 11 May 2021 (UTC) .
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I absolutely love Image 1, but I feel like it’s going to look absolutely chaotic when we get to 500, 600, or more tornadoes on the year Redfishtwofish ( talk) 17:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Actually I love that concept map from 2019, if possible I would think that map style would fit amazingly as the image for this years article Redfishtwofish ( talk) 20:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I created interactive maps from 2009 to 2019. However template:Maplink doesn't show the map correctly (preview is perfectly fine). See Module talk:Mapframe#Features are not shown in a maplink frame.―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 14:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
For Tornadoes of 2011 on the right, template:Maplink works fine.―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 14:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I don’t think one EF0 is enough to qualify for a section, so I’m going to delete it. If anyone thinks that it should stay, leave your comments here. Redfishtwofish ( talk) 17:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
I've constantly heard about how the main tornado articles should mention more info about tornadoes in other countries. With how severe this outbreak in China was, I think it presents the perfect opportunity for not just a section, but an article as well (that is, of course, if enough information presents itself). Thoughts? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 21:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
( edit conflict) *Conditional support If we can find sufficient sourcing and information. One reason I abandoned the draft for the 2019 Havana tornado was because I only had one good source. TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 06:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
One tornado on the monthly list, near Crosby, Texas on May 20, has confirmed damage but there doesn't seem to be any published information on a rating (if you can find it, you get a cookie). But that leaves me unsure of how to list it in the map. I considered listing it as an EFU (with an asterisk), but property damage would seem to preclude an EFU rating. I also considered a "presumptive" EF0, since the damage sounds minor, but that would be WP:OR. Or I could add an EF? category to the legend, at least until some rating information comes out. In that case I would have be sure it gets a distinguishable color. Thoughts, anyone? TornadoLGS ( talk) 23:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
We have removed sections from yearly articles for non-notable events, but we don't seem to have clear criteria of what the threshold is, though I guess it is a bit subjective. Back in 2011 or so, Cyclonebiskit mentioned the criteria for inclusion were: (1) at least three tornadoes, (2) At least one (E)F2+ tornado, or (3) at least one killer tornado. But it seems we have quietly raised these criteria as isolated EF2 tornadoes and events with more than three tornadoes have been excluded. At the same time, an isolated tornado in Australia with no injuries and damage looking EF0-EF1 has a section. I left that one in since it could still fit some new criteria. The idea I had was for something like this:
Thoughts? TornadoLGS ( talk) 19:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I tried to earlier today, it didn't work very well.
Oh, ok. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeWikiFrog ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
The two sections listed above came from the same system. Shouldn't this be one section, not two? ChessEric ( talk · contribs) 18:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
So, a recent edit refers to the recent EF2 tornado in Georgia as high-end EF2, as estimated winds were 130 mph. While we've referred to 130-mph EF2s as high-end before, I've had my doubts about marking them as much, as 130 is only a little more than halfway between the midpoint of the wind range (123 mph) and the upper end (135 mph). TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I went and changed it on the main page a few days ago (would have posted this earlier but my account was buggy) Twister mister5 ( talk) 04:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey guys, first off sorry I’ve been absent, life has been busy lately. So anyway, I’m wondering what you all think of a July 28-29 Derecho and Tornado Outbreak article? This was a fairly significant and anomalous outbreak, and one of the most significant July outbreaks in recent memory. Notable for producing multiple strong tornadoes during the “off season”, and in areas that typically do not see tornado outbreaks of this magnitude. The Bensalem EF3 is the most significant Philadelphia area tornado since 1994. One of the most prolific New Jersey tornado events on record, and the derecho was fairly notable too. We’re currently at 3 EF2s and one EF3. Also, I’m confident that we’ll see a fourth EF2 confirmed in Wintersville, OH by tomorrow. Thoughts? TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 01:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I think we should do an article, at least for the Mid-ATL portion. This is easily the most significant severe WX outbreak in the Mid-ATL region (not including tropical storms) since 4/19/19. This is especially the most significant for southeast Pennsylvania and New Jersey in a long time. Tornado counts are only going to go up as more tracks are confirmed as well. It wouldn't hurt to have an article. FreakShow91V2 ( talk) 10:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, it's Freakshow just on travel right now. It's been several days and still no article. I find this fits the requirements just fine. over 40 tornadoes have been confirmed, 1 EF3 and 4 EF2s (the EF3 and 2 EF2s were in some pretty populated areas) yet no article? 47.133.112.221 ( talk) 14:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
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I feel like we should stop deleting the August 9 sections. It should be there in my opinion because August has so few sections, it was a pretty sizeable outbreak (for August this year), and we added a section for the August 10 derecho last year which only had EF0 and EF1 tornadoes. Also I think we should add August 10 if that 1 reported tornado gets confirmed because it was a big storm. [1] Twister mister5 ( talk) 03:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
August 10th had a significant EF3 tornado but I do agree that August 9th should stay. JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 21:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
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Oh I mustve mistaken August 7th for August 10th. JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 02:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
TornadoInformation12 can you please stop deleting the section for august 9-11. it is/was a bunch of severe weather events that have produced multitudes of tornadoes. if you look at august 10 2020 in tornadoes of 2020 you will see that there is a section for the derecho even though it only produced EF0s and EF1s. p.s there was a derecho on august 10 2021. also there was a tornado that looks like an EF2-EF3 completely leveling a barn. this outbreak is roughly the same size if not bigger than the august 10 2020. so please stop deleting the sections. Twister mister5 ( talk) 02:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I am currently waiting for someone to give me a decent reason it should be removed. so can someone please tell me why it should be deleted, and give good reason? Twister mister5 ( talk) 03:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)\
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I was talking about adding a section not an article it is clearly not worthy of an article. I only wanted to add a section in tornadoes of 2021. Clearly this was a big misunderstanding. Twister mister5 ( talk) 12:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
If anyone wants to create a section (not an article) on the August 9-11 event, feel free to do so. I didn't intend to scare anyone away from contributing. I was just under the impression that some people wanted a full article on this fairly minor event. If nobody does, I'll put something together after work. TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 18:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
@ ChessEric, TornadoInformation12, United States Man, and 453Brax: Looks like the NCDC data for May's tornadoes is out. Apparently the unrated "tornado" of May 20 was just a gustnado and should be removed when we update that list. I'm not sure if I'll be getting to the update tomorrow. TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:48, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Somebody changed that event section to show that there were a total of eight EF2s and one EF1 in Ontario that day, with no source to back it up, so I reverted it. Can somebody point me to where this information originated so I can verify and properly source it?
-The Barrie high-end EF2, Lorneville EF2, Little Britain EF2, Dwight EF2, Lake Traverse EF2, and Sunbeam Lake EF2 are all properly sourced with the existing refs.
-The alleged Brown Hill, Sonya, and Vallentyne tornadoes were NOT sourced, nor listed with their individual EF scale ratings, and I had to remove them.
Please help me source this information. I haven't had any luck finding it so far, and it would be a shame if we are unable to document these tornadoes simply because somebody forgot to add a source. TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 05:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
I found a Twitter post by the Northern Tornadoes Project on it but I cant find any articles about it unfortunately JimmyTheMarble ( talk) 20:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I just did a new update of that map being used as the main image, and it might be the last, since my license for ArcGIS expires tomorrow. I will look in to using QGIS, and I should be able to continue updating if that works out. TornadoLGS ( talk) 00:52, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Title says it all. The Ida Outbreak now mysteriously has a count of 17 EF0s, yet the total tornado count is still at 21 rather than 29 in the main article. None of the EF0s were added to the monthly tables OR the article tables. There are now a bunch of tornadoes in the monthly table that are missing from the article table. There was zero effort put into updating other tables or tornado totals, negating any degree of consistency. I'm going to fix it, but please complete your work next time. TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 02:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
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@ ChessEric, 453Brax, United States Man, TornadoInformation12, and Prism55: NCEI data for June's tornadoes are now available. I also got a renewed license of ArcGIS, so I will have the capability of continuing to update the map. Perhaps a bit ironically, though, the project for which I got approval for the license will probably keep me busy, so I will likely have less time to edit. I know you folks are probably pretty busy as well, but this update probably won't be as extensive as the one for May. TornadoLGS ( talk) 19:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
There have been several tornadoes reported over the weekend and I think a few have been confirmed. The national weather service is heading out today to review some damage which will mean more confirmed tornadoes. Does someone want to add this or something? I usually just make grammatical edits. Twister mister5 ( talk) 13:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Can someone familiar with tornadoes help add a little summary to the tornado section in the draft I'm making for Weather of 2021, which will be an overview for all types of weather in this year. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
We need ones for the tornadoes in Ohio in october. Chevlon ( talk) 21:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
We also need the tornadoes from the October 10th, 11th, and 12th outbreaks Mmapgamerboy ( talk) 03:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I was just curious about why an October 10th-12th outbreak article hasn't been published yet. Mmapgamerboy ( talk) 21:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
In most situations I am seeing the location reference (i.e Eastern) as part of the town hyperlink, but more recently I'm seeing them blacked out and not hyperlinked. I'm fine with either, but there has to be some consistency, and we can't have both. Is there any consensus on which is the correct way to do it, and if not, can we come to a decision? TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 01:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
TornadoInformation12 ( talk) 01:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)TornadoInformation12
@ Elijahandskip and United States Man: If anything else is to be said on the matter, let's have it here before this turns into an edit war. I will say that I agree with United States Man on this. Waterspouts generally are not counted in tornado records unless they make landfall. All we have in this case is a tweet from an unofficial source, which is not a reliable source, and giving a rating to it would violate WP:NOR. TornadoLGS ( talk) 03:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
With a tornado emergency issued and fatalities already known, I started a draft for the outbreak. Draft:Tornado outbreak of December 10–11, 2021. Elijahandskip ( talk) 03:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Generally these things get lumped together, is there any reason why we seperated the Claudette and 20-21 sections up? Plus combined, they seem to be notable enough for an article (1 death, 33 injuries, 25 tornadoes). 69.118.232.58 ( talk) 20:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
There was also an EF3 that struck Woodridge and Bolingbrook in Illinois during the nighttime hours of June 20, 2021. Why is not on the list. NintendoTTTEfan2005 ( talk) 07:04, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
You all better put in some information Colin777724 ( talk) 21:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Why is the ef4 not listed can someone change that back 2600:100E:BE18:2FBA:58AB:5D85:98CC:2564 ( talk) 15:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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there should be 1168, add it up 47.19.209.230 ( talk) 18:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
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December tornadoes should be 134 (61 in 10-11, 57 on 15, 13 on 5-6 and 1 on 8 of month), meaning total should be 1,184 160.72.80.50 ( talk) 19:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
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the confirmed tor counts for December 15, 2021 event should be increased, as the number of confirmed tors has increased, 1 EF-U, 12 EF-0s, 34 EF-1s, and 23 EF-2s.
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December officially broke the record for most tornadoes. [1] TornadoFan45 ( talk) 21:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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september should have 27 tornadoes, NCEI so total should be 1234 98.116.128.15 ( talk) 12:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
please update chart 98.116.128.15 ( talk) 12:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I strongly believe that 2021 should no longer be noted as a below average year on the Wikipedia page. The annual tornado count for the United States in a year is ~1,200. That number has recently been surpassed. I feel that now we should note this tornado as an around average tornado year. 2600:1007:B03A:A6BD:8482:C460:77D0:529F ( talk) 16:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
should we have a section? Two tornadoes and an injury from DC is quite rare and the list looks wrong, looks notable enough for a section. 70.23.39.2 ( talk) 16:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the July 6-9 for Hurricane Elsa to July 7-9, as no tornadoes from Elsa touched down on the 6th. (See List of United States tornadoes from July to September 2021) 69.118.232.58 ( talk) 15:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Are we going to add the January 1, 2022 impacts in here, especially if the outbreak tomorrow busts and doesn’t warrant a section at Tornadoes in 2022? 67.82.182.94 ( talk) 22:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Are we gonna make an article? I get last time it was denied, but this had 69 tornadoes making it one of the largest October outbreaks, and it was also combined with a winter storm that did $50 million (so possibly a storm complex.) should we make an article as a result? It seems notable enough to me. 108.170.65.170 ( talk) 00:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
ChessEric, United States Man, TornadoLGS: NOAA published their Year In Review for 2021 and it says the US had 101 tornadic fatalities. We have it listed as 103, so we need to fix that, or have notes explaining why the 103 is different than NOAA's number. Elijahandskip ( talk) 20:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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