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Round Rock ef2 contained multivortex signatures on at least two videos, " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hguqWlHwMng&t=50s" and " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPilYNLQR0" towards the end. Following that, NWS alert for Vicksburg contained information of spotter confromation. Might be useful information. Ravonreck1 ( talk) 23:22, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
There have been numerous reports of a Tornado in Elgin, with confirmed video footage from multiple independent witnesses, and yet there seems to be no official confirmation of said tornado on this page. I would add it myself, but I don't know where to look for the proper confirmation. It took place on March 21st, in the afternoon, and the county would be Bastrop. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.242.125.18 ( talk) 15:35, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Radar images of supercell/tornado east of wheeling West Virginia https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTFrjVV_VS9qtpZpSvSiM2d1YZDW0aML9GUCtLIY3Twch7MZ4Pot6dyqYdQg-cGbXxPdJHu_jRG6ccx/pub (been published to web) â Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravonreck1 ( talk ⢠contribs) 21:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED TORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA 456 PM EDT WED MAR 23 2022 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH HAS ISSUED A
WAS LOCATED NEAR BARNESVILLE, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.
HAZARD...TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL. SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION. TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
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Ravonreck1 (
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I definitely heard about some Tuscaloosa flooding, which has picked up news stories here, here and here. My question is whether it would be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH to add them to the article; I think the last one clears that up, but I'm only 90% sure at this point, so I'm reaching out here. Skarmory (talk ⢠contribs) 02:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
NWS Jackson just came out with damage surveys. It's a bit late for me right now and I'm not at the top of my game, though, so I can't really add it at the moment. TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The map that contains confirmed tornado warnings does not include all tornadoes from this outbreak, including a confirmed tornado in North Carolina, I believe there was a confirmed tornado in the north, KY, IND, OH. The map is a bit misleading to people who are not following this outbreak. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravonreck1 ( talk ⢠contribs) 11:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The NOAA Damage assessment toolkit plus weather.gov radar confirms they are twin tornadoes, meaning that information should be added to their summaries. Would like your opinion United States Man, since you removed that BOLD addition that was sourced, without an edit summary explanation. Elijahandskip ( talk) 00:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
This is the GIF on where the Jacksboro tornado was produced. Up to anyone on if this should be included.
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An edit war on this page in late July forced an RFC at WP:RSN. The RFC concluded Aon was generally reliable, but USM continues to remove it from the article despite Aon and NOAA representing two different things. So, should Aon be added to this article? This might need to be an RFC, but for now I donât plan on it. 74.101.118.197 ( talk) 16:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm fine with the format how it is now. I will say that I believe this only works for Aon + NOAA as NCDC. I however will not agree to include Aon damage totals when it is a NOAA damage total from the
Billion-Dollar Weather and Climate Diasters list. On the FAQ, they state, " More than one dozen public and private sector data sources help capture the total, direct costs (both insured and uninsured) of the weather and climate events. These costs include: physical damage to residential, commercial, and municipal buildings; material assets (content) within buildings; time element losses such as business interruption or loss of living quarters; damage to vehicles and boats; public assets including roads, bridges, levees; electrical infrastructure and offshore energy platforms; agricultural assets including crops, livestock, and commercial timber; and wildfire suppression costs, among others. However, these disaster costs do not take into account losses to: natural capital or environmental degradation; mental or physical healthcare related costs, the value of a statistical life (VSL); or supply chain, contingent business interruption costs. Therefore, our estimates should be considered conservative with respect to what is truly lost, but cannot be completely measured due to a lack of consistently available data.Based on that statement, for those damage totals, only NOAA should be included. Elijahandskip ( talk) 02:46, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
@ 78.26: NCDC and SPC records are tricky. Prior to 1994, official records only sort damage totals into groups based on order of magnitude, rather than the actual value. So, for instance, any value between $50 million and $500 million defaults to $250 million. TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
That said: Here is why we should not use Aon + NOAA when it is a NOAA total on the billion-dollar disaster list. A good example is
Tornado outbreak of December 10â11, 2021. I went ahead and added the Aon total for the moment as an example and to discuss here, but I plan on removing it shortly.
The NOAA totals are in fact different and with the amount of academic credibility and publication that billion-dollar disaster list gets, I think only the NOAA total should be used in the info boxes. A CBS News article published a over a week after the outbreak was saying âestimated $3.5 billion in damageâ, which was using the then NOAA damage total. The total was increased by $400 million, but nevertheless, still using the NOAA total. Another example is this NY Times article which was updated as late as March 2022 (3 months later) saying a damage total of $3.7 billion. Again, the NOAA total at that time (later increased to the $3.9 billion it is now). The RS Media use the NOAA total, especially for the large, well-known events that make the billion-dollar disaster list. Elijahandskip ( talk) 15:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
So as like a closing/clarification step, here what I seem to read from this discussion:
I think that was interpreted correctly. If not, please say something. Elijahandskip ( talk) 00:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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Round Rock ef2 contained multivortex signatures on at least two videos, " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hguqWlHwMng&t=50s" and " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPilYNLQR0" towards the end. Following that, NWS alert for Vicksburg contained information of spotter confromation. Might be useful information. Ravonreck1 ( talk) 23:22, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
There have been numerous reports of a Tornado in Elgin, with confirmed video footage from multiple independent witnesses, and yet there seems to be no official confirmation of said tornado on this page. I would add it myself, but I don't know where to look for the proper confirmation. It took place on March 21st, in the afternoon, and the county would be Bastrop. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.242.125.18 ( talk) 15:35, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Radar images of supercell/tornado east of wheeling West Virginia https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTFrjVV_VS9qtpZpSvSiM2d1YZDW0aML9GUCtLIY3Twch7MZ4Pot6dyqYdQg-cGbXxPdJHu_jRG6ccx/pub (been published to web) â Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravonreck1 ( talk ⢠contribs) 21:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED TORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA 456 PM EDT WED MAR 23 2022 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PITTSBURGH HAS ISSUED A
WAS LOCATED NEAR BARNESVILLE, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.
HAZARD...TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL. SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION. TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
$$
Ravonreck1 (
talk) 01:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I definitely heard about some Tuscaloosa flooding, which has picked up news stories here, here and here. My question is whether it would be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH to add them to the article; I think the last one clears that up, but I'm only 90% sure at this point, so I'm reaching out here. Skarmory (talk ⢠contribs) 02:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
NWS Jackson just came out with damage surveys. It's a bit late for me right now and I'm not at the top of my game, though, so I can't really add it at the moment. TornadoLGS ( talk) 04:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The map that contains confirmed tornado warnings does not include all tornadoes from this outbreak, including a confirmed tornado in North Carolina, I believe there was a confirmed tornado in the north, KY, IND, OH. The map is a bit misleading to people who are not following this outbreak. â Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravonreck1 ( talk ⢠contribs) 11:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The NOAA Damage assessment toolkit plus weather.gov radar confirms they are twin tornadoes, meaning that information should be added to their summaries. Would like your opinion United States Man, since you removed that BOLD addition that was sourced, without an edit summary explanation. Elijahandskip ( talk) 00:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
This is the GIF on where the Jacksboro tornado was produced. Up to anyone on if this should be included.
Severe storm 28 19:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Void, due to sockpuppetry |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
An edit war on this page in late July forced an RFC at WP:RSN. The RFC concluded Aon was generally reliable, but USM continues to remove it from the article despite Aon and NOAA representing two different things. So, should Aon be added to this article? This might need to be an RFC, but for now I donât plan on it. 74.101.118.197 ( talk) 16:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm fine with the format how it is now. I will say that I believe this only works for Aon + NOAA as NCDC. I however will not agree to include Aon damage totals when it is a NOAA damage total from the
Billion-Dollar Weather and Climate Diasters list. On the FAQ, they state, " More than one dozen public and private sector data sources help capture the total, direct costs (both insured and uninsured) of the weather and climate events. These costs include: physical damage to residential, commercial, and municipal buildings; material assets (content) within buildings; time element losses such as business interruption or loss of living quarters; damage to vehicles and boats; public assets including roads, bridges, levees; electrical infrastructure and offshore energy platforms; agricultural assets including crops, livestock, and commercial timber; and wildfire suppression costs, among others. However, these disaster costs do not take into account losses to: natural capital or environmental degradation; mental or physical healthcare related costs, the value of a statistical life (VSL); or supply chain, contingent business interruption costs. Therefore, our estimates should be considered conservative with respect to what is truly lost, but cannot be completely measured due to a lack of consistently available data.Based on that statement, for those damage totals, only NOAA should be included. Elijahandskip ( talk) 02:46, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
@ 78.26: NCDC and SPC records are tricky. Prior to 1994, official records only sort damage totals into groups based on order of magnitude, rather than the actual value. So, for instance, any value between $50 million and $500 million defaults to $250 million. TornadoLGS ( talk) 02:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
That said: Here is why we should not use Aon + NOAA when it is a NOAA total on the billion-dollar disaster list. A good example is
Tornado outbreak of December 10â11, 2021. I went ahead and added the Aon total for the moment as an example and to discuss here, but I plan on removing it shortly.
The NOAA totals are in fact different and with the amount of academic credibility and publication that billion-dollar disaster list gets, I think only the NOAA total should be used in the info boxes. A CBS News article published a over a week after the outbreak was saying âestimated $3.5 billion in damageâ, which was using the then NOAA damage total. The total was increased by $400 million, but nevertheless, still using the NOAA total. Another example is this NY Times article which was updated as late as March 2022 (3 months later) saying a damage total of $3.7 billion. Again, the NOAA total at that time (later increased to the $3.9 billion it is now). The RS Media use the NOAA total, especially for the large, well-known events that make the billion-dollar disaster list. Elijahandskip ( talk) 15:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
So as like a closing/clarification step, here what I seem to read from this discussion:
I think that was interpreted correctly. If not, please say something. Elijahandskip ( talk) 00:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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