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This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Restaurants or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. You can find the related request for tagging here -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 11:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Where did you discuss the merging of Tom Aikens (restaurant) into Tom Aikens. Usually a restaurant with a Michelin star is deemed to be notable. The Banner talk 10:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I think the restaurant article must be merged into the eponymous chef one. I thought about expanding the restaurant article in the draft version. However, I thought the background and the history of the restaurant would be very similar to the chef article, and reception wouldn't make any difference. I'm disgruntled about the revert of the redirection of the restaurant article, even when the restaurant earned two Michelin stars in 2000s. -- George Ho ( talk) 22:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
No offense, but I find your interpretation of what's relevant to a restaurant or a chef too rigid. Too much rigidity, especially of your interpretations, would affect readers' understanding of an article and its topic. Not just that, too much rigidity would affect article quality and result in so-so articles IMO.
I have to reinsert the post-closure info especially because it's a relevant info, even for an article about the chef who gave up his eponymous restaurant. However, you repeatedly reverted the reinsertion. Now I'll be going around circles trying to convince you that the post-closure info is needed.
Also, the "spoon" incident is one that I would like included unless you were thinking WP:NOTNEWS. Well, that incident is part of (what I think) the chef's infamy. Well, that's since the incident at Pied a Terre. George Ho ( talk) 15:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Or WP:PAG or WP:NOTBURO? George Ho ( talk) 19:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
It looks like, while this is a discussion of notability, the critical question regarding notability has not been addressed: Is there, or is there not, a substantial quantity of independent and reliable source material about the restaurant available? As it stands, the material available in the restaurant article is extremely thin. As of this revision: [1], the first source is about a completely different restaurant and just mentions that the Aikens one used to be at that location, the second source is about a different restaurant and doesn't even mention it, the third site doesn't exist and appears to be non-independent in any case, and the fourth site is just the restaurant's own website. Unless substantially better and in-depth sourcing about the restaurant can be found, it is not notable and the merge needs to be reinstated. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
The below information about the stolen spoon incident in 2004 was removed as "irrelevant".
In October 2004, a businesswoman Sarah Roe and her husband Rupert paid £536 for the meal after entertaining her clients. As the Roes and her clients were leaving the restaurant, Aikens blocked the doorway and accused her of stealing one of his £16 custom-made silver teaspoons. A waiter found the spoon on a nearby table. Aikens still accused Roe, prompting her to boycott Aikens's restaurants. [1] [2] [3] Prior to the incident, nine such spoons had been stolen within at least one month. When the restaurant opened, several £50-ashtrays were stolen until non-smoking policy was applied a while later. [3]
References
Shall the "spoon" incident be mentioned in the article again? If so, shall the above passage be used? If not, how else can info about the incident be written? George Ho ( talk) 03:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
The post-closure info (i.e. Elystan Street) about Aikens's eponymous restaurant was removed twice as "irrelevant" ( version 1, version 2). Shall the post-closure be mentioned again? If neither version, yet you favour reinsertion, how else can the post-closure info be (re)written? George Ho ( talk) 03:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Old statement below
The post-closure info about the site of the subject's eponymous restaurant was removed as irrelevant to the chef himself. Here are two versions:
Version 1
A chef Phil Howard, months after selling and leaving The Square, and Howard's business partner Rebecca Mascarenhas opened the restaurant Elystan Street at the former site of Aikens's eponymous restaurant on 27 September 2016. [1] Elystan Street earned its first Michelin star in October 2017. [2]
References
Version 2
The site would be transformed into a Michelin-starred restaurant Elystan Street, owned by chef Phil Howard and business partner Rebecca Mascarenhas, since its opening on 27 September 2016. [1] [2]
References
Shall the post-closure info be mentioned again? Why or why not? If so, shall either version be used? If neither, then how else can the post-closure info be (re)written? George Ho ( talk) 03:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Never mind. I made subsequent changes into (this) version 4: "The site was transformed in September 2016 into Elystan Street under chef Phil Howard and business partner Rebecca Mascarenhas." By the way, I do think the site is still relevant to the restaurant. George Ho ( talk) 17:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Restaurants or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. You can find the related request for tagging here -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 11:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Where did you discuss the merging of Tom Aikens (restaurant) into Tom Aikens. Usually a restaurant with a Michelin star is deemed to be notable. The Banner talk 10:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I think the restaurant article must be merged into the eponymous chef one. I thought about expanding the restaurant article in the draft version. However, I thought the background and the history of the restaurant would be very similar to the chef article, and reception wouldn't make any difference. I'm disgruntled about the revert of the redirection of the restaurant article, even when the restaurant earned two Michelin stars in 2000s. -- George Ho ( talk) 22:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
No offense, but I find your interpretation of what's relevant to a restaurant or a chef too rigid. Too much rigidity, especially of your interpretations, would affect readers' understanding of an article and its topic. Not just that, too much rigidity would affect article quality and result in so-so articles IMO.
I have to reinsert the post-closure info especially because it's a relevant info, even for an article about the chef who gave up his eponymous restaurant. However, you repeatedly reverted the reinsertion. Now I'll be going around circles trying to convince you that the post-closure info is needed.
Also, the "spoon" incident is one that I would like included unless you were thinking WP:NOTNEWS. Well, that incident is part of (what I think) the chef's infamy. Well, that's since the incident at Pied a Terre. George Ho ( talk) 15:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Or WP:PAG or WP:NOTBURO? George Ho ( talk) 19:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
It looks like, while this is a discussion of notability, the critical question regarding notability has not been addressed: Is there, or is there not, a substantial quantity of independent and reliable source material about the restaurant available? As it stands, the material available in the restaurant article is extremely thin. As of this revision: [1], the first source is about a completely different restaurant and just mentions that the Aikens one used to be at that location, the second source is about a different restaurant and doesn't even mention it, the third site doesn't exist and appears to be non-independent in any case, and the fourth site is just the restaurant's own website. Unless substantially better and in-depth sourcing about the restaurant can be found, it is not notable and the merge needs to be reinstated. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
The below information about the stolen spoon incident in 2004 was removed as "irrelevant".
In October 2004, a businesswoman Sarah Roe and her husband Rupert paid £536 for the meal after entertaining her clients. As the Roes and her clients were leaving the restaurant, Aikens blocked the doorway and accused her of stealing one of his £16 custom-made silver teaspoons. A waiter found the spoon on a nearby table. Aikens still accused Roe, prompting her to boycott Aikens's restaurants. [1] [2] [3] Prior to the incident, nine such spoons had been stolen within at least one month. When the restaurant opened, several £50-ashtrays were stolen until non-smoking policy was applied a while later. [3]
References
Shall the "spoon" incident be mentioned in the article again? If so, shall the above passage be used? If not, how else can info about the incident be written? George Ho ( talk) 03:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
The post-closure info (i.e. Elystan Street) about Aikens's eponymous restaurant was removed twice as "irrelevant" ( version 1, version 2). Shall the post-closure be mentioned again? If neither version, yet you favour reinsertion, how else can the post-closure info be (re)written? George Ho ( talk) 03:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Old statement below
The post-closure info about the site of the subject's eponymous restaurant was removed as irrelevant to the chef himself. Here are two versions:
Version 1
A chef Phil Howard, months after selling and leaving The Square, and Howard's business partner Rebecca Mascarenhas opened the restaurant Elystan Street at the former site of Aikens's eponymous restaurant on 27 September 2016. [1] Elystan Street earned its first Michelin star in October 2017. [2]
References
Version 2
The site would be transformed into a Michelin-starred restaurant Elystan Street, owned by chef Phil Howard and business partner Rebecca Mascarenhas, since its opening on 27 September 2016. [1] [2]
References
Shall the post-closure info be mentioned again? Why or why not? If so, shall either version be used? If neither, then how else can the post-closure info be (re)written? George Ho ( talk) 03:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Never mind. I made subsequent changes into (this) version 4: "The site was transformed in September 2016 into Elystan Street under chef Phil Howard and business partner Rebecca Mascarenhas." By the way, I do think the site is still relevant to the restaurant. George Ho ( talk) 17:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
{{
rfc}}
tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for
Legobot (
talk ·
contribs) to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies. The RfC may also not be publicised through
WP:FRS until a shorter statement is provided. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
17:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
{{
rfc}}
tag because Legobot won't look for it way down here. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
18:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)