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The swedish version is a pure pro-palestinian propaganda, that reffer to israelies as jewish terrorists and exclude all the palestinian violent attacks on jews. The Swedish version should be re-written or deleated! āPreceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.185.128 ( talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC) I coudnt agree more!!! Im surprised that such-one sided propaganda is published on wikipedia, but than again there is not much to do about swedish ignorance. āPreceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.184.57 ( talk) 06:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
There is lack of sources and information on the arab and muslim migration waves and the demographic shift in the 19th century:
1814 - the Nadi (Egyptian arab tribe) settlement on southern coast of palestine.
1831-1840 - rule of Ibrahim Pasha (of Egypt), who battled the local muslim populations of Bedouins, Circassians, Druze and others in the "arab revolt of 1834", causing serious casualties to both sides. As a result of Pasha's policies, many Druze escaped to Lebanon, and the Samaritan community almost went extinct. At the same time the settlement policy brought thousands of Egyptian arab peasants into loosely settled coastal areas (town establishment list is available). In addition Pasha's retired soldiers and allied Bedouin tribes settled in the vicinities of Haifa and Jaffa, while the Sudanese were settled in the Jordan Valley.
Other migration :D waves followed when Ottoman Empire restored the control over the area (Syria and Palestina), most noticeable in Galilee - Houran arabs, Algerian tribes, Bedouins, Turkmen, Jews, Kurds, Bosniacs, Circassians and Druze. A very interesting period. āPreceding unsigned comment added by Greyshark09 ( talk ā¢ contribs) 16:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
17:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Israeli and other scholars of the question conclude that a natural increase in the overwhelmingly Arab population of Palestine from the 1840s would account for an Arab component of the 1914 estimate of 650,000 of between 555,000 and 585,000. Taking the lower figure of 555,000 and adding a Jewish population of about 80,000 in 1914 still allows for an additional 25,000 to 40,000 settlers, whether other Europeans or Arabs. Arabs undoubtedly did migrate to Palestine or were settled by Ottoman officials there during this seventy-year period, but they probably comprised no more that 8 percent of the Arab population of Palestine in 1914
A more serious problem in this highly biased article is the start "There had been a continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land since Biblical times". No mention of the fact that Jews were a minority (usually a tiny minority) for about 1500 years? Zero talk 10:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
The event of 1948 Arab-Israeli war and the following War of Attrition as well as Six Day War were followed by extensive waves of refugees in both directions, both arabs and jews. The attempt to remove the facts of the refugee problem from the article either of Palestinian Arabs or Middle-Eastern Jews is an attempt to lessen the importance of one of the sides in the conflict and therefor is biased. The claim of "exodus didn't occur just in 1948" applies to both arabs and jews, but still the main arena of the refugee problem of both sides is 1948 War. The wider refugee problem dating is 1941-1967 for jews from arab states, and 1947-1967 for the palestinian arabs. Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Talking about the Jewish refugees in the same light as the Palestinian ones elides the fundamental difference of national contexts. You point to 800,000 Jews in Arab countries, but don't forget that Algerian Jews were regarded as citizens of France since the Cremieux decree of the late 1800's and had basically no choice but to leave with the other Pied Noirs after the Algerian War of independence. Moroccan Jews weren't actually force to leave and largely migrated of their own will. Same with Lebanese Jews. Yemeni Jews largely left with the connivance between Yemen's Imam, the Israelis and the US in two different airlift operations (though there was communal violence - but not ethnic cleansing). In Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, the Jewish communities left after a mix of communal violence, voluntary emigrations, property confiscations, etc. It was a tragedy yes and a crime for which Arab nations must compensate their descendants. But it is NOT the same as the Palestinian exodus. Palestinians left as a result of a systematic campaign of warfar and ethnic cleansing, residing in refugee camps since the 40's. The Arab Jews left due to a mix of factors relating to decolonization, national reprisal relating to "guilt by association", etc. Furthermore, many Israeli leaders of Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) background have rubbished attempts to label them "refugees" in the same sense as Palestinians. It implies that they are somehow exiles from original homelands rather than "returnees" to the motherland, as Zionist ideology would have it. I can recommend you to some detailed balanced work on the issue like Joel Beinin's ethnography of Egyptian Jews, Nissim Rejwan's writings on Baghdadi Jews, and Michael Fishbach's excellent commentary on the question of compensation. ā Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.123.161 ( talk) 17:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Frederico, my edit was a shortened version of the value Six day war in Wikipedia, since the previous edits were inaccurate. BTW I propose to farther shorten the description, just adding the casualties numbers. It was a pre-emptive strike in Israeli perseption, after actions interprinted as war declaration by Egypt and its allies. It is senseless to omit this discription and distort the events by saying Israel attacked Egypt, with no context. The same can be said Egypt attacked Israel. Please, do not revert my edit with no discussion. Greyshark09 ( talk) 17:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The reasons for the the war actions of Israel were Egyptian military buildup in the Sinai Peninsula (May 16), while expelling the UNEF forces (May 19) and naval blockade of the Straits of Tiran (May 22), as well as Syrian and Jordanian support for Fedayeen incursions into Israel.
We have been dealing with this before, but i want to go back to this issue again. The jewish immigration events are brought here as major events of the conflict. However, this is a very much unilateral stance of the Palestinian Arab leadership, which claims jewish immigration to be a conflict trigger. Jewish stance on this matter is that jewish immigrants settled either within jewish or undeveloped areas of the country, without any real threat to arab society, and the conflict was eventually on national grounds (as it was also waged by arabs upon the ancient jewish societies across middle east and maghreb, without any immigration reasons). In the same time there is no mention of Arab and Muslim positive immigration to Palestine/Israel, which unlike jewish immigration had been almost unrecorded. It is true its extent is little known, and it had mostly occured either before (beginning and mid 19th century), or right after (British Mandate) the beginning of the conflict in 1920. Never the less, it accured, and sometimes greatly exceeded the jewish immigration in total numbers. Suggestions? Greyshark09 ( talk) 21:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have an issue if we start this timeline earlier with the seeds of the conflict - Proto-Zionism, Moses Montefiore, the Decline of the Ottoman Empire and the Greek War of Independence? 95.21.74.221 ( talk) 16:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I think this section title need to change. Palestinian nationalism were pretty much non-existant at the time (late 1800's), I believe. Something like "Birth of Political Zionism" would be better. -- Frederico1234 ( talk) 16:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
"Israeli-Palestinian conflict"? Surely there can't be an Israeli-anything conflict without an Israel. That would put the start date at 1947/8, no? PiCo ( talk) 07:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the objection of Arabs to any Jewish presence in the region for at least 120 years and violent events that resulted from it are a crucial part of the story, without which the motivation of Israel cannot be understood 150.237.244.48 ( talk) 14:12, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
This is from /info/en/?search=Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
With the outcome of the First World War, the relations between Zionism and the Arab national movement seemed to be potentially friendly, and the FaisalāWeizmann Agreement created a framework for both aspirations to coexist on the former Ottoman Empire's territories. However, with the defeat and dissolution of the Arab Kingdom of Syria in July 1920 following the Franco-Syrian War, a crisis fell upon the Damascus-based Arab national movement. The return of several hard-line Palestinian Arab nationalists, under the emerging leadership of Haj Amin al-Husseini, from Damascus to Mandatory Palestine marked the beginning of Palestinian Arab nationalist struggle towards establishment of a national home for Arabs of Palestine.[23] Amin al-Husseini, the architect of the Palestinian Arab national movement, immediately marked Jewish national movement and Jewish immigration to Palestine as the sole enemy to his cause,[24] initiating large-scale riots against the Jews as early as 1920 in Jerusalem and in 1921 in Jaffa. Among the results of the violence was the establishment of the Jewish paramilitary force Haganah. In 1929, a series of violent anti-Jewish riots was initiated by the Arab leadership. The riots resulted in massive Jewish casualties in Hebron and Safed, and the evacuation of Jews from Hebron and Gaza.[21]
150.237.244.48 ( talk) 14:22, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I propose to remove the tagging of "factual accuracy", since this article has been extensevely edited and debated in the recent months to reach a certain level of validity. Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Many other parts of this article are not simply disputed, they're totally untrue.
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The result of the move request was: Merge. Greyshark09 ( talk) 14:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Since this article is greatly overlapping the article of Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict i subject it for merger. The article name itself including both violence and conflict is exaggerating the issue, which is widely and in detail discussed in target article. Sub-articles by years 2000-2008 ( Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2000, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2001 Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2002, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2003, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2005, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2006, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2007, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2008) would be linked as subsections of Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict instead of subsections of Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Please vote Confirm in favor of this merge or Oppose if you are against (please provide a reason). Greyshark09 ( talk) 15:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I suggest to merge the article Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Both articles are substantially the same, and shouldn't exist in separate. You can vote Confirm or Oppose here Talk:Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict#Merging with Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Frederico, i have once again read the "early clashes" section in the "violence" article and i doubt it is relevant here (it is a background to the conflict). For example i don't see how we can put into timeline article that "by 1908 a dozen Jews were killed by Arabs, but only 4 on nationalist ground", and putting a merriage shooting accident in the conflict article is rediculous - in Jordan dozens die in wedding celebration shootings annually to this day (some editor added "this was the first incident of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict", but that is a clear POV pushing, and not something Morris said). I think we should merge those into "History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict".
Greyshark09 (
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Ā Done The merge has been completed.
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More work is required on the subarticles, which is merging "Violence against Israelis in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>" (2000-2007) into "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>". Another one is "2006 IsraelāGaza conflict casualties timeline" into "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2006". Greyshark09 ( talk) 09:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't get why "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>" becomes "List of Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2011". Could we have some consistency in the naming of these articles please.
We're also missing the years 2009 and 2010. There's only lists of Israeli rocket attacks. This seems unbalanced. thanks Halon8 ( talk) 22:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I've began cleaning up the timelines on the article, mostly to do with adding bold-text to dates for readability, improving sentence flow making a few pieces of language more encyclopaedic. I'll hopefully get around to finishing this very soon...but would appreciate it if anyone could review my edits and maybe lend a hand. -- Ī¤Ī±ĻĪæĻ Ī»Ī± ( talk) 23:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Just passing by; however, my very superficial understanding of the topic leads me to understand that the Israeli settlement timeline and Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict are likely intimately related. As such, having the articles separated completely separated -- without even links to one another -- seems to deliberately obscure information on the degree to which they may be intertwined. Contrariwise, merging the two timeline articles would require an extensive effort; creating a separate article indexing both sets would be massively redundant; and either seems likely to trigger widespread cries of "NPOV"! Nohow, the topic appears politically volatile enough that even adding "See also" cross-links between the two seems likely to trigger a "NPOV" reversion war.
This isn't a topic I have enough interest in to wade into, especially with the limited amount of time I'm inclined to waste on editing. Thus, I'm chickening out and merely adding a discussion section here, for others to potentially consider. Abb3w ( talk) 01:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I am surprised to see Hamas soldiers being mentioned as terrorists while that of Israel are not called so. Such a biased article. Aravind V R ( talk) 19:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
There are some other issues in the article but I will now concentrate on the description of the GazaāIsrael conflict. It is basically just giving us Israel's view stated as a fact. This has been discussed at several places but: Israel did not "completely withdraw" in 2005, rockets were a problem both before and after that, the rocket attacks increased greatly after the withdrawal but so did Israel's raids and other attacks. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 21:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Not sure why this was crossed out, the page still reports the untrue claim that Israel "completely withdrew" from the Gaza strip. Mentioning nothing of the blockade and siege that is ongoing, nor does it mention that the Israeli perimeter is maintained within Gaza's territory not Israel's. Even if one is more sympathetic to the Israeli side of the conflict I don't understand how this could be disputed. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitts.nordera ( talk ā¢ contribs) 19:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please ignore my post requesting a change to this timeline. Firstly, I realize now that there is a separate timeline for pre 1948 issues and events. I do not believe they should be separate for reasons I won't bother to list but I doubt a merger of these two timelines will be merged, so, please ignore my request. Secondly, I will say that I would suggest edits and additions to both the timelines but, after reviewing the conversations in the talk page, I realize that those changes could never happen given the editing "policy" that I see there. May I give my opinion as I bow out of the process. While I understand there must be regulations and controls to prevent the inevitable chaos if rules and control did not exist, however, I will say that while I use Wikipedia a great deal for a jumping off point, I don't rely on Wikipedia with regard to any controversial issue because it is obvious that control is maintained by a person or persons with one view over those with an opposing view. If I look at a page on apples, this will not be a problem. If I use Wikipedia for anything like the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, I am very guarded. I thought I could contribute to balancing some of the pages that seem to have a designated view, but, like I said, after reviewing the amount and style of discussion regarding specific issues I see that many long hours of discussion would be inevitable but it would also be inevitable that most of my contributions would be declined. I do have a positive suggestion, for what it is worth: Create a section or mode of editing that would allow dissenting voices to post their facts If done well, with continuing controls, this would encourage a larger editorial team and perhaps even more financial contributions. I don't personally contribute to Wikipedia because of the bias I witness--though I believe Wikipedia is a terrific source and site and truly gain much from the work done by the intrepid editors whose work is invaluable. Cheers! The following was my misguided request: āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by ElishevaZ ( talk ā¢ contribs) 00:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC) I am new to editing Wikipedia and to talk pages. Please let me know if I am following your guidelines. I would like to make a substantive change to this page. The absence of the earliest years of the conflict is a serious inadequacy to understanding. I am not suggesting highly specific edits, "Please change X to Y because...", because I would prefer to vet the main editor's willingness to add the necessary changes before I put in a tremendous amount of work. In general: the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict began at least 30 years before 1948. Because the preceding years are foundational to understanding the conflict, I believe the timeline should begin with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Please let me know if these additions will be agreeable to the "extended confirmed editors" who watch this page. If you agree to review my specific additions, I will begin working on them immediately. I would then like to know where I am to work on that (as I assume you will want all years covered before publishing changes or perhaps even reviewing them). I am signing this post but am not sure if I will be doing it correctly. -- ElishevaZ ( talk) 22:11, 7 January 2018 (UTC) ElishevaZ
While tragic, not every criminal or terrorist act is significant enough for its own article. Many stabbings and shootings where one person tragically dies occur every day around the world, the vast majority do not merit articles. If this is terrorism, it could be merged to the list of acts on this article. If the stabbing article was brought to AfD I don't believe it would survive as it lacks "enduring historical significance" that WP:NEVENT calls for. 331dot ( talk) 13:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
This article is of exceedingly low quality, both due to the presence of politicized statements, and due to the absence of the important events that occurred.
It is unquestionable that the main events in the early timeline are:
It is really not a"timeline" in any meaningful way if it skips these facts
The underlying cause is likely political bias. In this case, it seems the Palestinian case is being made politically, so the timeline, particularly in early years, is a list of disconnected instances where Palestinians were killed or expelled. There seems to be almost no balance in the various bits of escalating and retributive violence that has trapped the Israel/Palestine region over the years.
This article should have a disclaimer at a minimum, until someone with more scholarly rather than political bias (from either side of that conflict) can be found to edit it. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.20.76.238 ( talk) 02:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Propose to merge History of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict into Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict due to overlap. We do not have any other example of having an article on the "History of the <conflict>" on Wikipedia except this one and parallel "History of the Arab-Israeli conflict" (also proposed for rename); it is custom to have an article on "Timeline of the <conflict>" (like Timeline of the Syrian civil war, Timeline of the Iraq War, etc). GreyShark ( dibra) 11:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I proposed to rename pages from "Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict, YYYY" to "YYYY in the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict". Discussion is at Talk:Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict, 2020#Requested move 15 May 2021. -- Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 21:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
In this article, the Palestinians militants were called terrorists starting from 1975, I think itās biased since this term wasnāt used at that time. Moudinho1996 ( talk) 15:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
If you want to call them āterroristsā, I think you shouldāve called members of the jewish gangs and militias as Haganah and irgun also terrorists. Moudinho1996 ( talk) 15:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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There is no reference to the claim in 1948, May 14: "Haganah took control of Jaffa. Its 1947 population of 70,000 was reduced to 4,000." I suggest to remove this claim. The Haganah did not take control on Jaffa on May 14th 1948 (before the war started). Please read the more detailed events of the 48 war here for your reference: /info/en/?search=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War Thanks for your consideration. M.rock7 ( talk) 05:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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The title seems very misleading as you completely leave out the true reason for the region's conflict. The mistreatment of Jews and early Christians by Rome, including the destruction and renaming of all that is holy beginning with Solomon's Temple in 70 AD, cannot be dismissed. In addition to Rome destroying Judea, and building the temples of Jupiter and Venus over Jewish holy sites, Rome continued to persecute Christians until absorbing and melding the religion. After Rome tore down the Temple of God built by King David's son, King Solomon... in its distain for Christianity, it renamed everything related to the Jews... and in defiance to God. This is where the true confusion comes from today.
In 33 AD, or about 40 years before Rome's attack... Jesus predicted the destruction of God's Holy Temple, even specifying that not one stone would be left upon another. The Temple was reduced to rubble in 70 AD when the Romans finally breached the city walls after a long struggle. Jews were expected to pay annual taxes to the Roman Empire as a yearly contribution to the Temple of Capitoline Jupiter, which was built on top of the Jewish ruins of the Temple of Yahweh... or Solomon's Temple. Rome went out of its way to rename the region of Judea... and city of Jerusalem... and build over all important landmarks attributed to God or Jesus through 130 AD.
Emperor Hadrian renamed the city of Jerusalem to be Aelia Capitolina, in honor of a pagan deity. Rome then renamed the region where Jesus was born to be Syria Palaestina, supplanting Israel with Philistia... which is now called Palestine. It's bad enough that Rome built a pagan temple over God's Holy Temple, but after the temple of Jupiter was erected... Emperor Hadrian built a sanctuary to Venus over the tomb of Jesus which is in Israel today. Other sites in the area which had an association with Jesus, or Yahweh... were built over by Roman hatred including the birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem, the Pool of Bethesda, and the Pool of Siloam.
The world only wants to remember the time from the 1900's, forward... or 1945... or 1920... regarding Israel. How convenient to overlook a complete biblical, regional and scholarly history... only to focus on what is useful.
If you seek proof of Jesus, just look at the extent of what Rome would do to cover it all up. 2601:2C6:8280:5260:B0E8:9F83:B50E:DD15 ( talk) 06:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
A partisan on reddit was linking this article a lot, using at as a reference for casualty counts, and I hadn't seen it organically despite my interest in the issue. Just a cursory scan for quality, why is the /info/en/?search=Safsaf_massacre missing? Why list the total casualty counts on both sides in 1967 but only israeli deaths in 1956? Isn't there a header for articles that aren't up to standards? Qe2eqe ( talk) 07:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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This article should be changed to reflect that the beginning of the conflict was not in 1948 but in the late 19th/early 20th century. Per the recent change made to the article Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which was discussed here. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 20:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
The time line table shows the following events in 1994 in incorrect chronological order: April 13 | Hamas carried out their second suicide bombing, in Afula, Israel, killing 5 people and the suicide bomber. April 6 | Hadera bus station suicide bombing by Hamas, killing 8 people. They should be flipped so that April 6 (Hadera) comes before April 13 (Afula). Digitalcre8 ( talk) 17:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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The swedish version is a pure pro-palestinian propaganda, that reffer to israelies as jewish terrorists and exclude all the palestinian violent attacks on jews. The Swedish version should be re-written or deleated! āPreceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.185.128 ( talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC) I coudnt agree more!!! Im surprised that such-one sided propaganda is published on wikipedia, but than again there is not much to do about swedish ignorance. āPreceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.184.57 ( talk) 06:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
There is lack of sources and information on the arab and muslim migration waves and the demographic shift in the 19th century:
1814 - the Nadi (Egyptian arab tribe) settlement on southern coast of palestine.
1831-1840 - rule of Ibrahim Pasha (of Egypt), who battled the local muslim populations of Bedouins, Circassians, Druze and others in the "arab revolt of 1834", causing serious casualties to both sides. As a result of Pasha's policies, many Druze escaped to Lebanon, and the Samaritan community almost went extinct. At the same time the settlement policy brought thousands of Egyptian arab peasants into loosely settled coastal areas (town establishment list is available). In addition Pasha's retired soldiers and allied Bedouin tribes settled in the vicinities of Haifa and Jaffa, while the Sudanese were settled in the Jordan Valley.
Other migration :D waves followed when Ottoman Empire restored the control over the area (Syria and Palestina), most noticeable in Galilee - Houran arabs, Algerian tribes, Bedouins, Turkmen, Jews, Kurds, Bosniacs, Circassians and Druze. A very interesting period. āPreceding unsigned comment added by Greyshark09 ( talk ā¢ contribs) 16:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
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Israeli and other scholars of the question conclude that a natural increase in the overwhelmingly Arab population of Palestine from the 1840s would account for an Arab component of the 1914 estimate of 650,000 of between 555,000 and 585,000. Taking the lower figure of 555,000 and adding a Jewish population of about 80,000 in 1914 still allows for an additional 25,000 to 40,000 settlers, whether other Europeans or Arabs. Arabs undoubtedly did migrate to Palestine or were settled by Ottoman officials there during this seventy-year period, but they probably comprised no more that 8 percent of the Arab population of Palestine in 1914
A more serious problem in this highly biased article is the start "There had been a continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land since Biblical times". No mention of the fact that Jews were a minority (usually a tiny minority) for about 1500 years? Zero talk 10:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
The event of 1948 Arab-Israeli war and the following War of Attrition as well as Six Day War were followed by extensive waves of refugees in both directions, both arabs and jews. The attempt to remove the facts of the refugee problem from the article either of Palestinian Arabs or Middle-Eastern Jews is an attempt to lessen the importance of one of the sides in the conflict and therefor is biased. The claim of "exodus didn't occur just in 1948" applies to both arabs and jews, but still the main arena of the refugee problem of both sides is 1948 War. The wider refugee problem dating is 1941-1967 for jews from arab states, and 1947-1967 for the palestinian arabs. Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Talking about the Jewish refugees in the same light as the Palestinian ones elides the fundamental difference of national contexts. You point to 800,000 Jews in Arab countries, but don't forget that Algerian Jews were regarded as citizens of France since the Cremieux decree of the late 1800's and had basically no choice but to leave with the other Pied Noirs after the Algerian War of independence. Moroccan Jews weren't actually force to leave and largely migrated of their own will. Same with Lebanese Jews. Yemeni Jews largely left with the connivance between Yemen's Imam, the Israelis and the US in two different airlift operations (though there was communal violence - but not ethnic cleansing). In Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, the Jewish communities left after a mix of communal violence, voluntary emigrations, property confiscations, etc. It was a tragedy yes and a crime for which Arab nations must compensate their descendants. But it is NOT the same as the Palestinian exodus. Palestinians left as a result of a systematic campaign of warfar and ethnic cleansing, residing in refugee camps since the 40's. The Arab Jews left due to a mix of factors relating to decolonization, national reprisal relating to "guilt by association", etc. Furthermore, many Israeli leaders of Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) background have rubbished attempts to label them "refugees" in the same sense as Palestinians. It implies that they are somehow exiles from original homelands rather than "returnees" to the motherland, as Zionist ideology would have it. I can recommend you to some detailed balanced work on the issue like Joel Beinin's ethnography of Egyptian Jews, Nissim Rejwan's writings on Baghdadi Jews, and Michael Fishbach's excellent commentary on the question of compensation. ā Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.123.161 ( talk) 17:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Frederico, my edit was a shortened version of the value Six day war in Wikipedia, since the previous edits were inaccurate. BTW I propose to farther shorten the description, just adding the casualties numbers. It was a pre-emptive strike in Israeli perseption, after actions interprinted as war declaration by Egypt and its allies. It is senseless to omit this discription and distort the events by saying Israel attacked Egypt, with no context. The same can be said Egypt attacked Israel. Please, do not revert my edit with no discussion. Greyshark09 ( talk) 17:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The reasons for the the war actions of Israel were Egyptian military buildup in the Sinai Peninsula (May 16), while expelling the UNEF forces (May 19) and naval blockade of the Straits of Tiran (May 22), as well as Syrian and Jordanian support for Fedayeen incursions into Israel.
We have been dealing with this before, but i want to go back to this issue again. The jewish immigration events are brought here as major events of the conflict. However, this is a very much unilateral stance of the Palestinian Arab leadership, which claims jewish immigration to be a conflict trigger. Jewish stance on this matter is that jewish immigrants settled either within jewish or undeveloped areas of the country, without any real threat to arab society, and the conflict was eventually on national grounds (as it was also waged by arabs upon the ancient jewish societies across middle east and maghreb, without any immigration reasons). In the same time there is no mention of Arab and Muslim positive immigration to Palestine/Israel, which unlike jewish immigration had been almost unrecorded. It is true its extent is little known, and it had mostly occured either before (beginning and mid 19th century), or right after (British Mandate) the beginning of the conflict in 1920. Never the less, it accured, and sometimes greatly exceeded the jewish immigration in total numbers. Suggestions? Greyshark09 ( talk) 21:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have an issue if we start this timeline earlier with the seeds of the conflict - Proto-Zionism, Moses Montefiore, the Decline of the Ottoman Empire and the Greek War of Independence? 95.21.74.221 ( talk) 16:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I think this section title need to change. Palestinian nationalism were pretty much non-existant at the time (late 1800's), I believe. Something like "Birth of Political Zionism" would be better. -- Frederico1234 ( talk) 16:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
"Israeli-Palestinian conflict"? Surely there can't be an Israeli-anything conflict without an Israel. That would put the start date at 1947/8, no? PiCo ( talk) 07:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the objection of Arabs to any Jewish presence in the region for at least 120 years and violent events that resulted from it are a crucial part of the story, without which the motivation of Israel cannot be understood 150.237.244.48 ( talk) 14:12, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
This is from /info/en/?search=Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
With the outcome of the First World War, the relations between Zionism and the Arab national movement seemed to be potentially friendly, and the FaisalāWeizmann Agreement created a framework for both aspirations to coexist on the former Ottoman Empire's territories. However, with the defeat and dissolution of the Arab Kingdom of Syria in July 1920 following the Franco-Syrian War, a crisis fell upon the Damascus-based Arab national movement. The return of several hard-line Palestinian Arab nationalists, under the emerging leadership of Haj Amin al-Husseini, from Damascus to Mandatory Palestine marked the beginning of Palestinian Arab nationalist struggle towards establishment of a national home for Arabs of Palestine.[23] Amin al-Husseini, the architect of the Palestinian Arab national movement, immediately marked Jewish national movement and Jewish immigration to Palestine as the sole enemy to his cause,[24] initiating large-scale riots against the Jews as early as 1920 in Jerusalem and in 1921 in Jaffa. Among the results of the violence was the establishment of the Jewish paramilitary force Haganah. In 1929, a series of violent anti-Jewish riots was initiated by the Arab leadership. The riots resulted in massive Jewish casualties in Hebron and Safed, and the evacuation of Jews from Hebron and Gaza.[21]
150.237.244.48 ( talk) 14:22, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I propose to remove the tagging of "factual accuracy", since this article has been extensevely edited and debated in the recent months to reach a certain level of validity. Greyshark09 ( talk) 20:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Many other parts of this article are not simply disputed, they're totally untrue.
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The result of the move request was: Merge. Greyshark09 ( talk) 14:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Since this article is greatly overlapping the article of Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict i subject it for merger. The article name itself including both violence and conflict is exaggerating the issue, which is widely and in detail discussed in target article. Sub-articles by years 2000-2008 ( Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2000, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2001 Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2002, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2003, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2005, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2006, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2007, Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2008) would be linked as subsections of Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict instead of subsections of Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Please vote Confirm in favor of this merge or Oppose if you are against (please provide a reason). Greyshark09 ( talk) 15:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I suggest to merge the article Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Both articles are substantially the same, and shouldn't exist in separate. You can vote Confirm or Oppose here Talk:Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict#Merging with Timeline of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Frederico, i have once again read the "early clashes" section in the "violence" article and i doubt it is relevant here (it is a background to the conflict). For example i don't see how we can put into timeline article that "by 1908 a dozen Jews were killed by Arabs, but only 4 on nationalist ground", and putting a merriage shooting accident in the conflict article is rediculous - in Jordan dozens die in wedding celebration shootings annually to this day (some editor added "this was the first incident of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict", but that is a clear POV pushing, and not something Morris said). I think we should merge those into "History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict".
Greyshark09 (
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Ā Done The merge has been completed.
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More work is required on the subarticles, which is merging "Violence against Israelis in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>" (2000-2007) into "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>". Another one is "2006 IsraelāGaza conflict casualties timeline" into "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2006". Greyshark09 ( talk) 09:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't get why "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>" becomes "List of Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2011". Could we have some consistency in the naming of these articles please.
We're also missing the years 2009 and 2010. There's only lists of Israeli rocket attacks. This seems unbalanced. thanks Halon8 ( talk) 22:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I've began cleaning up the timelines on the article, mostly to do with adding bold-text to dates for readability, improving sentence flow making a few pieces of language more encyclopaedic. I'll hopefully get around to finishing this very soon...but would appreciate it if anyone could review my edits and maybe lend a hand. -- Ī¤Ī±ĻĪæĻ Ī»Ī± ( talk) 23:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Just passing by; however, my very superficial understanding of the topic leads me to understand that the Israeli settlement timeline and Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict are likely intimately related. As such, having the articles separated completely separated -- without even links to one another -- seems to deliberately obscure information on the degree to which they may be intertwined. Contrariwise, merging the two timeline articles would require an extensive effort; creating a separate article indexing both sets would be massively redundant; and either seems likely to trigger widespread cries of "NPOV"! Nohow, the topic appears politically volatile enough that even adding "See also" cross-links between the two seems likely to trigger a "NPOV" reversion war.
This isn't a topic I have enough interest in to wade into, especially with the limited amount of time I'm inclined to waste on editing. Thus, I'm chickening out and merely adding a discussion section here, for others to potentially consider. Abb3w ( talk) 01:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I am surprised to see Hamas soldiers being mentioned as terrorists while that of Israel are not called so. Such a biased article. Aravind V R ( talk) 19:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
There are some other issues in the article but I will now concentrate on the description of the GazaāIsrael conflict. It is basically just giving us Israel's view stated as a fact. This has been discussed at several places but: Israel did not "completely withdraw" in 2005, rockets were a problem both before and after that, the rocket attacks increased greatly after the withdrawal but so did Israel's raids and other attacks. -- IRISZOOM ( talk) 21:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Not sure why this was crossed out, the page still reports the untrue claim that Israel "completely withdrew" from the Gaza strip. Mentioning nothing of the blockade and siege that is ongoing, nor does it mention that the Israeli perimeter is maintained within Gaza's territory not Israel's. Even if one is more sympathetic to the Israeli side of the conflict I don't understand how this could be disputed. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitts.nordera ( talk ā¢ contribs) 19:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please ignore my post requesting a change to this timeline. Firstly, I realize now that there is a separate timeline for pre 1948 issues and events. I do not believe they should be separate for reasons I won't bother to list but I doubt a merger of these two timelines will be merged, so, please ignore my request. Secondly, I will say that I would suggest edits and additions to both the timelines but, after reviewing the conversations in the talk page, I realize that those changes could never happen given the editing "policy" that I see there. May I give my opinion as I bow out of the process. While I understand there must be regulations and controls to prevent the inevitable chaos if rules and control did not exist, however, I will say that while I use Wikipedia a great deal for a jumping off point, I don't rely on Wikipedia with regard to any controversial issue because it is obvious that control is maintained by a person or persons with one view over those with an opposing view. If I look at a page on apples, this will not be a problem. If I use Wikipedia for anything like the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, I am very guarded. I thought I could contribute to balancing some of the pages that seem to have a designated view, but, like I said, after reviewing the amount and style of discussion regarding specific issues I see that many long hours of discussion would be inevitable but it would also be inevitable that most of my contributions would be declined. I do have a positive suggestion, for what it is worth: Create a section or mode of editing that would allow dissenting voices to post their facts If done well, with continuing controls, this would encourage a larger editorial team and perhaps even more financial contributions. I don't personally contribute to Wikipedia because of the bias I witness--though I believe Wikipedia is a terrific source and site and truly gain much from the work done by the intrepid editors whose work is invaluable. Cheers! The following was my misguided request: āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by ElishevaZ ( talk ā¢ contribs) 00:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC) I am new to editing Wikipedia and to talk pages. Please let me know if I am following your guidelines. I would like to make a substantive change to this page. The absence of the earliest years of the conflict is a serious inadequacy to understanding. I am not suggesting highly specific edits, "Please change X to Y because...", because I would prefer to vet the main editor's willingness to add the necessary changes before I put in a tremendous amount of work. In general: the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict began at least 30 years before 1948. Because the preceding years are foundational to understanding the conflict, I believe the timeline should begin with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Please let me know if these additions will be agreeable to the "extended confirmed editors" who watch this page. If you agree to review my specific additions, I will begin working on them immediately. I would then like to know where I am to work on that (as I assume you will want all years covered before publishing changes or perhaps even reviewing them). I am signing this post but am not sure if I will be doing it correctly. -- ElishevaZ ( talk) 22:11, 7 January 2018 (UTC) ElishevaZ
While tragic, not every criminal or terrorist act is significant enough for its own article. Many stabbings and shootings where one person tragically dies occur every day around the world, the vast majority do not merit articles. If this is terrorism, it could be merged to the list of acts on this article. If the stabbing article was brought to AfD I don't believe it would survive as it lacks "enduring historical significance" that WP:NEVENT calls for. 331dot ( talk) 13:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
This article is of exceedingly low quality, both due to the presence of politicized statements, and due to the absence of the important events that occurred.
It is unquestionable that the main events in the early timeline are:
It is really not a"timeline" in any meaningful way if it skips these facts
The underlying cause is likely political bias. In this case, it seems the Palestinian case is being made politically, so the timeline, particularly in early years, is a list of disconnected instances where Palestinians were killed or expelled. There seems to be almost no balance in the various bits of escalating and retributive violence that has trapped the Israel/Palestine region over the years.
This article should have a disclaimer at a minimum, until someone with more scholarly rather than political bias (from either side of that conflict) can be found to edit it. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.20.76.238 ( talk) 02:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Propose to merge History of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict into Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict due to overlap. We do not have any other example of having an article on the "History of the <conflict>" on Wikipedia except this one and parallel "History of the Arab-Israeli conflict" (also proposed for rename); it is custom to have an article on "Timeline of the <conflict>" (like Timeline of the Syrian civil war, Timeline of the Iraq War, etc). GreyShark ( dibra) 11:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I proposed to rename pages from "Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict, YYYY" to "YYYY in the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict". Discussion is at Talk:Timeline of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict, 2020#Requested move 15 May 2021. -- Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 21:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
In this article, the Palestinians militants were called terrorists starting from 1975, I think itās biased since this term wasnāt used at that time. Moudinho1996 ( talk) 15:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
If you want to call them āterroristsā, I think you shouldāve called members of the jewish gangs and militias as Haganah and irgun also terrorists. Moudinho1996 ( talk) 15:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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There is no reference to the claim in 1948, May 14: "Haganah took control of Jaffa. Its 1947 population of 70,000 was reduced to 4,000." I suggest to remove this claim. The Haganah did not take control on Jaffa on May 14th 1948 (before the war started). Please read the more detailed events of the 48 war here for your reference: /info/en/?search=1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War Thanks for your consideration. M.rock7 ( talk) 05:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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The title seems very misleading as you completely leave out the true reason for the region's conflict. The mistreatment of Jews and early Christians by Rome, including the destruction and renaming of all that is holy beginning with Solomon's Temple in 70 AD, cannot be dismissed. In addition to Rome destroying Judea, and building the temples of Jupiter and Venus over Jewish holy sites, Rome continued to persecute Christians until absorbing and melding the religion. After Rome tore down the Temple of God built by King David's son, King Solomon... in its distain for Christianity, it renamed everything related to the Jews... and in defiance to God. This is where the true confusion comes from today.
In 33 AD, or about 40 years before Rome's attack... Jesus predicted the destruction of God's Holy Temple, even specifying that not one stone would be left upon another. The Temple was reduced to rubble in 70 AD when the Romans finally breached the city walls after a long struggle. Jews were expected to pay annual taxes to the Roman Empire as a yearly contribution to the Temple of Capitoline Jupiter, which was built on top of the Jewish ruins of the Temple of Yahweh... or Solomon's Temple. Rome went out of its way to rename the region of Judea... and city of Jerusalem... and build over all important landmarks attributed to God or Jesus through 130 AD.
Emperor Hadrian renamed the city of Jerusalem to be Aelia Capitolina, in honor of a pagan deity. Rome then renamed the region where Jesus was born to be Syria Palaestina, supplanting Israel with Philistia... which is now called Palestine. It's bad enough that Rome built a pagan temple over God's Holy Temple, but after the temple of Jupiter was erected... Emperor Hadrian built a sanctuary to Venus over the tomb of Jesus which is in Israel today. Other sites in the area which had an association with Jesus, or Yahweh... were built over by Roman hatred including the birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem, the Pool of Bethesda, and the Pool of Siloam.
The world only wants to remember the time from the 1900's, forward... or 1945... or 1920... regarding Israel. How convenient to overlook a complete biblical, regional and scholarly history... only to focus on what is useful.
If you seek proof of Jesus, just look at the extent of what Rome would do to cover it all up. 2601:2C6:8280:5260:B0E8:9F83:B50E:DD15 ( talk) 06:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
A partisan on reddit was linking this article a lot, using at as a reference for casualty counts, and I hadn't seen it organically despite my interest in the issue. Just a cursory scan for quality, why is the /info/en/?search=Safsaf_massacre missing? Why list the total casualty counts on both sides in 1967 but only israeli deaths in 1956? Isn't there a header for articles that aren't up to standards? Qe2eqe ( talk) 07:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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This article should be changed to reflect that the beginning of the conflict was not in 1948 but in the late 19th/early 20th century. Per the recent change made to the article Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which was discussed here. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 20:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
The time line table shows the following events in 1994 in incorrect chronological order: April 13 | Hamas carried out their second suicide bombing, in Afula, Israel, killing 5 people and the suicide bomber. April 6 | Hadera bus station suicide bombing by Hamas, killing 8 people. They should be flipped so that April 6 (Hadera) comes before April 13 (Afula). Digitalcre8 ( talk) 17:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)