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Delete or not delete ?

Perhaps the question of whether this article should remain could be discussed here, rather than a series of tit-for-tat deletions and reinstatements ? IMHO it should remain, as the info it contains does not appear elsewhere. RGCorris ( talk) 15:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

The article is not "fine the way it is" as Alza08 claims. The article consists primarily of plot synopsis. Consider these two Wikipedia policies: JUSTPLOT and InUniverse. What few worthwhile details exist belong on the "differences between the books and films" page. Furthermore, there was discussion about these superfluous character pages several months ago. The consensus was to redirect. I had attempted to AFD the articles, which is what should have been done. - Fanthrillers ( talk) 22:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

I'm usually against deletion, becuase if someone would want to create a proper article someday he can start with the old content (I did this with numerous redirected articles, such as Maki Genryusai, and even several James Bond ones - that have been previously redirected, such as Oddjob and Wai Lin). -- Niemti ( talk) 22:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Or better yet, they may choose to incorporate the worthwhile details into an already existing related article. Right now, only administrators can view deleted articles. Perhaps wikipedia may consider a compromise in future where registered editors can view deleted articles to see what, if anything, is worth saving. However my complaint about these pages is that many of them are beyond saving. They belong on Bond fansites, not wikipedia. "Notability" is the stumbling block many of these character pages cannot surmount. - Fanthrillers ( talk) 22:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

It has been already proposed that maybe Bond girl article should contain more information about various characters. This, or just to make an article for a list of Bond girls (which is a redirect). -- Niemti ( talk) 22:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Then why not extract the relevant information from this article and add it to the other article, after which this one can reasonably be deleted, rather than once again engaging in a tit-for-tat delete ? RGCorris ( talk) 08:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply
You can always do it. -- Niemti ( talk) 12:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply
I am not the one who keeps deleting the article, which I originally came to because it contained useful information. RGCorris ( talk) 14:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply
And who "keeps deleting the article", and what article? -- Niemti ( talk) 15:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Interestingly, the Dutch page is well developed. I'd like to see a similar page in English. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilly_Masterton Mechanical translation is available at https://nl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Tilly_Masterton?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp -- Treekids ( talk) 19:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Delete or not delete ?

Perhaps the question of whether this article should remain could be discussed here, rather than a series of tit-for-tat deletions and reinstatements ? IMHO it should remain, as the info it contains does not appear elsewhere. RGCorris ( talk) 15:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

The article is not "fine the way it is" as Alza08 claims. The article consists primarily of plot synopsis. Consider these two Wikipedia policies: JUSTPLOT and InUniverse. What few worthwhile details exist belong on the "differences between the books and films" page. Furthermore, there was discussion about these superfluous character pages several months ago. The consensus was to redirect. I had attempted to AFD the articles, which is what should have been done. - Fanthrillers ( talk) 22:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

I'm usually against deletion, becuase if someone would want to create a proper article someday he can start with the old content (I did this with numerous redirected articles, such as Maki Genryusai, and even several James Bond ones - that have been previously redirected, such as Oddjob and Wai Lin). -- Niemti ( talk) 22:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Or better yet, they may choose to incorporate the worthwhile details into an already existing related article. Right now, only administrators can view deleted articles. Perhaps wikipedia may consider a compromise in future where registered editors can view deleted articles to see what, if anything, is worth saving. However my complaint about these pages is that many of them are beyond saving. They belong on Bond fansites, not wikipedia. "Notability" is the stumbling block many of these character pages cannot surmount. - Fanthrillers ( talk) 22:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

It has been already proposed that maybe Bond girl article should contain more information about various characters. This, or just to make an article for a list of Bond girls (which is a redirect). -- Niemti ( talk) 22:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Then why not extract the relevant information from this article and add it to the other article, after which this one can reasonably be deleted, rather than once again engaging in a tit-for-tat delete ? RGCorris ( talk) 08:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply
You can always do it. -- Niemti ( talk) 12:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply
I am not the one who keeps deleting the article, which I originally came to because it contained useful information. RGCorris ( talk) 14:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply
And who "keeps deleting the article", and what article? -- Niemti ( talk) 15:24, 12 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Interestingly, the Dutch page is well developed. I'd like to see a similar page in English. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilly_Masterton Mechanical translation is available at https://nl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Tilly_Masterton?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp -- Treekids ( talk) 19:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC) reply


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