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Glover is traditionally known as the first non-Japanese to be awarded the Order of the Rising Sun However, that singular honor actually belongs to U.S. Army Col. J.R. Wasson who, according to the New York Times, was given "the decoration of the Rising Sun, of the Imperial Order of Meiji, a distinction no other foreigner ever enjoyed." The Times reported that U.S. President Grant sent the colonel to Japan as a military instructor; and he commanded Japanese troops during an 1874 punitive expedition against Formosa. Subsequently, the colonel was recognized by Emperor Meiji as a consequence of his conduct during this minor military campaign.<.ref> "A Victory for the Chinese; Japanese Driven with Heavy Loss from Ping-yang", New York Times, August 22, 1894.<./ref> -- Ooperhoofd ( talk) 21:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
A short article, notable mostly for Glover's living there, but is now a museum to him. Unless it can be expanded beyond a stub to stand alone, it should be merged here. Rodhull andemu 01:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
I have undone this as it makes unsourced speculations and conclusions about a picture. -- NeilN talk to me 13:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Japanese Wikipedia: スコットランド系フリーメイソンリー(フリーメイソン)といわれるが、根拠はない。邸内にはコンパスと定規を組み合わせたフリーメイソンリー特有のマークが刻まれた石柱があるが、これはもともとグラバー邸にあったものではない。フリーメイソンリーのロッジ(集会所)にあったものを1966年(昭和41年)に寄贈され、移設したものである。
and...he was even more directly involved in hiding and smuggling abroad for technical training the so-called Satsuma 18 under Godai Tomoatsu, some of whom settled in Aberdeen.
...he turned instead to arming the main rebel clans both against overseas enemies and each other — as well as, in a reality he well understood, against the central bakufu government.
...during the 1860s, he became Kyushu’s biggest arms dealer. Kyushu in turn was able to establish itself as Japan’s most dangerous and volatile political region, with rebel clans increasingly disobeying the bakufu...
In 1865 a new British minister, Harry Parkes, arrived from China. For a time he was prepared to give the bakufu full recognition as Japan's treaty-making government, but before long he agreed with Glover in the view that British interests lay in broadening trade as much as possible, and Tokugawa attempts to control and channel trade should be resisted or sabotaged. Thus, precisely during the period when Choshu was desperately seeking arms for its stand against the bakufu, British policy was inclined to favor such trade. There was never any doubt about Glover's position; in talks with Kido, who complained about the Tokugawa blockade...
Unfortunately, you seem to be "reading between the lines" - which is one thing editors are specifically not to do on Wikipedia. I certainly know what a "blockade" is, and also know that a "blockade" may, itself, not be "legal" as viewed by others. Preventing a person from daring to be educated is such a "blockade." Indeed, generally speaking, smuggling a person out of a country for purposes of getting an education is not regarded as criminal in most places. Collect ( talk) 20:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
-- Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 10:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Sakoku (鎖国, "chained country") was the foreign relations policy of Japan under which no foreigner could enter nor could any Japanese leave the country on penalty of death. The policy was enacted by the Tokugawa shogunate under Tokugawa Iemitsu through a number of edicts and policies from 1633–39 and remained in effect until 1853 with the arrival of the Black Ships of Commodore Matthew Perry and the forcible opening of Japan to Western trade. It was still illegal to leave Japan until the Meiji Restoration (1868).
It's a useful conversation to have. Please keep it friendly. Span ( talk) 11:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
In 1859, Glover crossed from Shanghai to Nagasaki and worked initially for Jardine Matheson buying Japanese green tea. Two years later, he founded his own firm, Glover Trading Co. (Guraba-Shokai). His first major success was as a merchant for ships, guns and gunpowder sold illegally to the rebellious Satsuma, Chōshū and Tosa clans in Japan during the 1860s. His business was based in Nagasaki, and it was here that he had his home constructed, the first Western-style building in Japan. There is no evidence to show that Glover was a Freemason, although he is often associated with the Masonic Lodge by both Japanese and foreign writers.
But I assume that you read that sentence since you inserted the text from the following sentence regarding the smuggling of Ito Hirobumi, etc.Whatever scruples Jardines may have had, Glover had none.
May I suggest that Glover's freemasonry (or not) is an interesting question but could be moved further down the page? I can't see how to do this or I would do it myself. Historian ( talk) 00:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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Glover is traditionally known as the first non-Japanese to be awarded the Order of the Rising Sun However, that singular honor actually belongs to U.S. Army Col. J.R. Wasson who, according to the New York Times, was given "the decoration of the Rising Sun, of the Imperial Order of Meiji, a distinction no other foreigner ever enjoyed." The Times reported that U.S. President Grant sent the colonel to Japan as a military instructor; and he commanded Japanese troops during an 1874 punitive expedition against Formosa. Subsequently, the colonel was recognized by Emperor Meiji as a consequence of his conduct during this minor military campaign.<.ref> "A Victory for the Chinese; Japanese Driven with Heavy Loss from Ping-yang", New York Times, August 22, 1894.<./ref> -- Ooperhoofd ( talk) 21:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
A short article, notable mostly for Glover's living there, but is now a museum to him. Unless it can be expanded beyond a stub to stand alone, it should be merged here. Rodhull andemu 01:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
I have undone this as it makes unsourced speculations and conclusions about a picture. -- NeilN talk to me 13:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Japanese Wikipedia: スコットランド系フリーメイソンリー(フリーメイソン)といわれるが、根拠はない。邸内にはコンパスと定規を組み合わせたフリーメイソンリー特有のマークが刻まれた石柱があるが、これはもともとグラバー邸にあったものではない。フリーメイソンリーのロッジ(集会所)にあったものを1966年(昭和41年)に寄贈され、移設したものである。
and...he was even more directly involved in hiding and smuggling abroad for technical training the so-called Satsuma 18 under Godai Tomoatsu, some of whom settled in Aberdeen.
...he turned instead to arming the main rebel clans both against overseas enemies and each other — as well as, in a reality he well understood, against the central bakufu government.
...during the 1860s, he became Kyushu’s biggest arms dealer. Kyushu in turn was able to establish itself as Japan’s most dangerous and volatile political region, with rebel clans increasingly disobeying the bakufu...
In 1865 a new British minister, Harry Parkes, arrived from China. For a time he was prepared to give the bakufu full recognition as Japan's treaty-making government, but before long he agreed with Glover in the view that British interests lay in broadening trade as much as possible, and Tokugawa attempts to control and channel trade should be resisted or sabotaged. Thus, precisely during the period when Choshu was desperately seeking arms for its stand against the bakufu, British policy was inclined to favor such trade. There was never any doubt about Glover's position; in talks with Kido, who complained about the Tokugawa blockade...
Unfortunately, you seem to be "reading between the lines" - which is one thing editors are specifically not to do on Wikipedia. I certainly know what a "blockade" is, and also know that a "blockade" may, itself, not be "legal" as viewed by others. Preventing a person from daring to be educated is such a "blockade." Indeed, generally speaking, smuggling a person out of a country for purposes of getting an education is not regarded as criminal in most places. Collect ( talk) 20:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
-- Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 10:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Sakoku (鎖国, "chained country") was the foreign relations policy of Japan under which no foreigner could enter nor could any Japanese leave the country on penalty of death. The policy was enacted by the Tokugawa shogunate under Tokugawa Iemitsu through a number of edicts and policies from 1633–39 and remained in effect until 1853 with the arrival of the Black Ships of Commodore Matthew Perry and the forcible opening of Japan to Western trade. It was still illegal to leave Japan until the Meiji Restoration (1868).
It's a useful conversation to have. Please keep it friendly. Span ( talk) 11:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
In 1859, Glover crossed from Shanghai to Nagasaki and worked initially for Jardine Matheson buying Japanese green tea. Two years later, he founded his own firm, Glover Trading Co. (Guraba-Shokai). His first major success was as a merchant for ships, guns and gunpowder sold illegally to the rebellious Satsuma, Chōshū and Tosa clans in Japan during the 1860s. His business was based in Nagasaki, and it was here that he had his home constructed, the first Western-style building in Japan. There is no evidence to show that Glover was a Freemason, although he is often associated with the Masonic Lodge by both Japanese and foreign writers.
But I assume that you read that sentence since you inserted the text from the following sentence regarding the smuggling of Ito Hirobumi, etc.Whatever scruples Jardines may have had, Glover had none.
May I suggest that Glover's freemasonry (or not) is an interesting question but could be moved further down the page? I can't see how to do this or I would do it myself. Historian ( talk) 00:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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