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How you like it now? New Babylon
This should be a listing of the Three Great powers,equivalent ,at least partly,lets say List of monarchies .It also sumarizes the contents of several diferent pages and partialy gives brief information,that one could find within those separate articles. It has it's origin in the words of a Gorosei in episode 151,where he says "If the Three Great Powers were to collapse,the world itself would fall apart",so I believe the existence of this page is justified. New Babylon
Can we NOT remove the template! We haven't discussed to get rid of it, and until we do I'm insisting it be kept. This is a worthless page... The other full pages have more detail. If you REALLY want this page to be kept, then discuss its reasons here.
Deleting the template will only result in me putting it back until we have a formal, proper discussion... Or the page gets considered its right to be deleted by the wikipedia guys, which ever comes first. Angel Emfrbl 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Increditable... This page was open up for a bigger debate, but it lasted abotu 24 hours, maybe a little more or less. I'm disappointed since all the previous debates I've come across have all lasted at least a week, giving plenty of time for serious discussions and all sides to express opinions. On top of that, most people reconned the page should be deleted and yet it was kept. Something just isn't right here. Angel Emfrbl 10:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
isn't the three powers are the revolutionarys, Shinkinabi, and the younkou, ALso isn't the navy and Shincinabi are in the same team.
I'm preposing we shorten the Navy article and merge it here alongside the Shichibukai and Yonkou articles. This way we can ditch the seperate articles and loose those articles. We then can write in more detail about the balance of the 3 powers and loose the World Government section on here.
This would make this article more important then a pointless short-hand explaination page. Angel Emfrbl 12:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is rather difficult to deal with... Can we put it up for deletation again? If we do that though, we have to incite strong support for or against it. The end result of no consenus was a rather boring outcome. My second suggestion is delete it for now and recreate it when we have more info to build it up with at a later date. However there is a problem with being allowed to do that here on wikipedia.
Anyone else any suggestions? I'm all out, we have two tags on the main article page currently. If we come to no conclusion with any of this we should at least discuss how to loose them. :/ Angel Emfrbl 21:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I want and proposing to keep it the way it is. At least do not delete it, if administrator wants to delete it merge it at least with the three great powers article. User: Aiord88 23:15, 30 July 2007
Should Monkey D. Dragon be referenced as one of the big powers? He is listed as the most wanted man in the world with undefinable bounty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.217.239 ( talk) 15:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Since he was stripped of his Shichibukai status, shouldn't he fall under a "Former Member" category beneath the member listing. This is further proved by Blackbeard assuming his place, yet he's still listed as a member. I'm just going to go ahead and edit it since I'm not deleting anything. If anyone objects, dont hesitate to reverse it and we can discuss if further. Ditch88 ( talk) 11:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Well if you're gonna merge him with the Baroques works page then I agree, and we should remove his Shichibukai entry. Like you said Angel it says he was stripped of his rank, so someone reading the entry from the Baroques page will know he was once one. Its almost like putting Blackbeard under the Blackbeard pirates page and the Whitebeard pirates page. He doesn't need to be under both, especially since he's no longer part of the latter. Just like with Blackbeard you could link Crocodile to his Baroques page, but its kinda messy as things are now.
Heres an idea, in Blackbeards section of the shichibukai he has a link to the Blackbeard pirates page. Well add a link to Crocodile's pages where is says "replaced Sir Crocodile." That way he's still mention on the page and give reader the link to find out more about his character.
Furthermore, though its not about Crocodile. Blackbeard is currently listed under Whitebeard Pirates. Couldn't we do the same for that, add a link to Blackbeard Pirates' page under Ace? just some suggestions. Ditch88 ( talk) 12:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Well since the idea for Crocodile involves BB staying on the Shichibukai page. I'm for keeping him on this page as well as the BB pirates page, while removing from the WB pirates page and just adding a link under Ace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditch88 ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Blackbeard is on the Whitebeard pirates page because he was a member of the Whitebeard pirates, and it's a notable part of his history. That section redirects to BB pirates anyway. I don't think it matters where Croc is, he can be on the BW article or this one, just not both. If he goes to BW, put a redirect under his header here, with a short snippet about him being stripped of his title. We can't put him under "former members" because there's no such thing as a former shichibukai when we speak in an out-of-universe perspective. We can't describe fictional events in past tense, it hurts the encyclopididity (Yohoho, made-up word) of the article. Ark ( talk) 12:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
He should not be labled as former member, because that is writing from an in-universe perspective. At some point in the story, he is a member and therefore should be listed. (Keep in mind, that we are not at the end of the story looking back, but looking at the whole of the story from an OUTside perspective.) Saying, that he was stripped of the title during the course of the story is another matter. -- Goodraise ( talk) 22:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know Jimbei [Arlong's former captain] is still considered a Shichibukai, so is there a reason why he's not listed? Flaming Mustang ( talk) 01:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone added Hancock to the list of yonkou, so i was wondering, is he really a yonkou or is it just vandalism or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.99.105 ( talk) 21:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Why is he listed as having Sir as his name? I recall sir was only his title in Alabasta. Why is it listed as his name? Gune ( talk) 09:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
This trailing is the trailing sentence of the leading section of the article: The Gorousei express fear that if this balance of power is disrupted, the world itself could collapse around them.
No clue on what the Gorousei actually is; I assume it is a Japanese name that is usually translated into some of the other names used in this article, but this should be clarified in the opening section all the same. Luis Dantas ( talk) 05:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
If there were seven members of the Shichibukai, and Crocodile was replaced with Teach, should there not be an eigth person listed? Original seven plus Teach equals eight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.81.135 ( talk) 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Several Shichibukai (such as Mihawk) have character links, but these links just link back to this page, which has no information on them. Can this be fixed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.217.105 ( talk) 01:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Okay, now only Sir Crocodile and Gecko Moria have this issue. 74.193.217.105 ( talk) 01:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
A bunch of pointless edits to an already perfectly good article. Quit doing things how YOU see fit and have a consensus, Goodraise. Gune ( talk) 04:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
You didn't ask anybody else and went ahead and did it. You are not the only editor and this page was perfectly fine. Regardless if there was any discussion there was no consensus to do this. Gune ( talk) 17:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Honestly I don't care about most of the pages but this page was perfectly fine. It was already too late too change anything anyway. This page should never have been merged. You even put characters in the wrong spots. Donquixote Doflamingo is not a member of Bellamy's crew. Jimbei is also not a member of Arlong's crew. Gune ( talk) 17:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
This page itself was fine how it was. You are actually making it far worst than it was. Your edits are ridiculous. Not only this page but to the Baroque Works page. None of that should have been changed at all. Gune ( talk) 21:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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How you like it now? New Babylon
This should be a listing of the Three Great powers,equivalent ,at least partly,lets say List of monarchies .It also sumarizes the contents of several diferent pages and partialy gives brief information,that one could find within those separate articles. It has it's origin in the words of a Gorosei in episode 151,where he says "If the Three Great Powers were to collapse,the world itself would fall apart",so I believe the existence of this page is justified. New Babylon
Can we NOT remove the template! We haven't discussed to get rid of it, and until we do I'm insisting it be kept. This is a worthless page... The other full pages have more detail. If you REALLY want this page to be kept, then discuss its reasons here.
Deleting the template will only result in me putting it back until we have a formal, proper discussion... Or the page gets considered its right to be deleted by the wikipedia guys, which ever comes first. Angel Emfrbl 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Increditable... This page was open up for a bigger debate, but it lasted abotu 24 hours, maybe a little more or less. I'm disappointed since all the previous debates I've come across have all lasted at least a week, giving plenty of time for serious discussions and all sides to express opinions. On top of that, most people reconned the page should be deleted and yet it was kept. Something just isn't right here. Angel Emfrbl 10:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
isn't the three powers are the revolutionarys, Shinkinabi, and the younkou, ALso isn't the navy and Shincinabi are in the same team.
I'm preposing we shorten the Navy article and merge it here alongside the Shichibukai and Yonkou articles. This way we can ditch the seperate articles and loose those articles. We then can write in more detail about the balance of the 3 powers and loose the World Government section on here.
This would make this article more important then a pointless short-hand explaination page. Angel Emfrbl 12:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is rather difficult to deal with... Can we put it up for deletation again? If we do that though, we have to incite strong support for or against it. The end result of no consenus was a rather boring outcome. My second suggestion is delete it for now and recreate it when we have more info to build it up with at a later date. However there is a problem with being allowed to do that here on wikipedia.
Anyone else any suggestions? I'm all out, we have two tags on the main article page currently. If we come to no conclusion with any of this we should at least discuss how to loose them. :/ Angel Emfrbl 21:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I want and proposing to keep it the way it is. At least do not delete it, if administrator wants to delete it merge it at least with the three great powers article. User: Aiord88 23:15, 30 July 2007
Should Monkey D. Dragon be referenced as one of the big powers? He is listed as the most wanted man in the world with undefinable bounty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.217.239 ( talk) 15:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Since he was stripped of his Shichibukai status, shouldn't he fall under a "Former Member" category beneath the member listing. This is further proved by Blackbeard assuming his place, yet he's still listed as a member. I'm just going to go ahead and edit it since I'm not deleting anything. If anyone objects, dont hesitate to reverse it and we can discuss if further. Ditch88 ( talk) 11:56, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Well if you're gonna merge him with the Baroques works page then I agree, and we should remove his Shichibukai entry. Like you said Angel it says he was stripped of his rank, so someone reading the entry from the Baroques page will know he was once one. Its almost like putting Blackbeard under the Blackbeard pirates page and the Whitebeard pirates page. He doesn't need to be under both, especially since he's no longer part of the latter. Just like with Blackbeard you could link Crocodile to his Baroques page, but its kinda messy as things are now.
Heres an idea, in Blackbeards section of the shichibukai he has a link to the Blackbeard pirates page. Well add a link to Crocodile's pages where is says "replaced Sir Crocodile." That way he's still mention on the page and give reader the link to find out more about his character.
Furthermore, though its not about Crocodile. Blackbeard is currently listed under Whitebeard Pirates. Couldn't we do the same for that, add a link to Blackbeard Pirates' page under Ace? just some suggestions. Ditch88 ( talk) 12:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Well since the idea for Crocodile involves BB staying on the Shichibukai page. I'm for keeping him on this page as well as the BB pirates page, while removing from the WB pirates page and just adding a link under Ace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditch88 ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Blackbeard is on the Whitebeard pirates page because he was a member of the Whitebeard pirates, and it's a notable part of his history. That section redirects to BB pirates anyway. I don't think it matters where Croc is, he can be on the BW article or this one, just not both. If he goes to BW, put a redirect under his header here, with a short snippet about him being stripped of his title. We can't put him under "former members" because there's no such thing as a former shichibukai when we speak in an out-of-universe perspective. We can't describe fictional events in past tense, it hurts the encyclopididity (Yohoho, made-up word) of the article. Ark ( talk) 12:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
He should not be labled as former member, because that is writing from an in-universe perspective. At some point in the story, he is a member and therefore should be listed. (Keep in mind, that we are not at the end of the story looking back, but looking at the whole of the story from an OUTside perspective.) Saying, that he was stripped of the title during the course of the story is another matter. -- Goodraise ( talk) 22:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know Jimbei [Arlong's former captain] is still considered a Shichibukai, so is there a reason why he's not listed? Flaming Mustang ( talk) 01:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone added Hancock to the list of yonkou, so i was wondering, is he really a yonkou or is it just vandalism or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.99.105 ( talk) 21:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Why is he listed as having Sir as his name? I recall sir was only his title in Alabasta. Why is it listed as his name? Gune ( talk) 09:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
This trailing is the trailing sentence of the leading section of the article: The Gorousei express fear that if this balance of power is disrupted, the world itself could collapse around them.
No clue on what the Gorousei actually is; I assume it is a Japanese name that is usually translated into some of the other names used in this article, but this should be clarified in the opening section all the same. Luis Dantas ( talk) 05:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
If there were seven members of the Shichibukai, and Crocodile was replaced with Teach, should there not be an eigth person listed? Original seven plus Teach equals eight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.81.135 ( talk) 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Several Shichibukai (such as Mihawk) have character links, but these links just link back to this page, which has no information on them. Can this be fixed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.217.105 ( talk) 01:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Okay, now only Sir Crocodile and Gecko Moria have this issue. 74.193.217.105 ( talk) 01:53, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
A bunch of pointless edits to an already perfectly good article. Quit doing things how YOU see fit and have a consensus, Goodraise. Gune ( talk) 04:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
You didn't ask anybody else and went ahead and did it. You are not the only editor and this page was perfectly fine. Regardless if there was any discussion there was no consensus to do this. Gune ( talk) 17:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Honestly I don't care about most of the pages but this page was perfectly fine. It was already too late too change anything anyway. This page should never have been merged. You even put characters in the wrong spots. Donquixote Doflamingo is not a member of Bellamy's crew. Jimbei is also not a member of Arlong's crew. Gune ( talk) 17:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
This page itself was fine how it was. You are actually making it far worst than it was. Your edits are ridiculous. Not only this page but to the Baroque Works page. None of that should have been changed at all. Gune ( talk) 21:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)