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The last sentence does not make any sense to me. A verb is missing ? (68.165.99.171)
Was Vicky "forced" to dance? SteveCrook 22:15, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
"When it was first previewed a lot of ballet critics (in the UK and in the USA) wrote very good reviews about it, pleased to see ballet portrayed so well on screen. But when they realised that it was universally popular their reviews suddenly became quite dismissive of the film." A particular pair of quotes would make this sound less foolish. But perhaps there aren't any, and this just should be true, because critics are simply like that. -- Wetman 19:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Artihcus022 added a paragraph: Interestingly, Vicky's jump from the terrace and subsequent death is a result of a rather obvious plot hole as noted by critic Roger Ebert in his great movie review [1]. When Vicky runs down the stairs, the ballet had not yet started and her character within the ballet only acquires the shoes during it. Therefore, there was no logical reason for her wearing the red shoes before the ballet begins. As it says in that review, this was noted by, but not discovered by Ebert. Powell and Pressburger themselves discussed it (with the rest of the crew) as have many other people since then. Powell insisted that it was artistically right for Vicky to be wearing the shoes when she jumped. The reason why doesn't really matter too much. And there could be reasons why. She might have just been wearing them to check the fit or to break them in before using them for that performance. It was a one-off performance and she hadn't worn them for a performance for some time. So I don't think it can really be called a plot hole. If she isn't wearing the red shoes then they can't be considered as a possible reason why she jumped (or did she fall?) -- SteveCrook 21:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I knew fully well that it was an artistic decision by Powell and Pressburger. I just figured that people would click on the link and see the truth. I couldn't find a way to fit it in completely with the facts but yeah if you can do that'd be fine. But it is a plot hole. I loved the movie but it it isn't the first classic film with one. The Big Sleep also has one. There is no logical reason for Vicky to wear the shoes before the dance begins as she only acquires it during the first part of the performance within the film.
Is it absolutely certain that she actually dies? Terrible injuries like having her legs crushed or severed would explain why she would never dance again. Unsigned comment by 24.39.163.114
Can't understand why they cut that sequence! Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 23:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I understand your point, Jack, it does indeed seem as if Lermontov knows that she is dead before we see at the railway station that she is beyond hope. I'm sure that P&P were aware of the discontinuity, but chose the sequence they did because it created a very strong parallel between what is going on in the real world and what is happeneing in the ballet, and that was necessary for the storytelling to be more powerful. Remember, these films were made to be seen once, or at most a couple of times (by fanatics), so the filmmakers could rely on being able to be a bit "sloppy" in specifics in order to created the right emotional arc, knowing that few people would pick up on it, especially if they're being carried away by the story.
So it's a plot inconsistency, sort of on the level of the one about why she's wearing the red shoes before the ballet begins, but I think I understand why it came about, and it doesn't particularly bother me. Overall, I'd say the film is stronger for it. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 02:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I edited the summary where Vicki dies. The text originally had "She leapt from the balcony," implying she committed suicide. I've heard more debate on her death. I added in a sentence about the speculation and different theories on why she fell from the balcony (suicide, overjoy at seeing Julian, or the shoes drove her to it). -- Jessikins 03:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a ongoing community debate about spoilers and how (and if) they should be used. The wholseale removal of them is pre-empting that result of that debate before a consensus is declared. While the debate is ongoing, the status quo should be maintained, and that means that spoilers should (and shall) stay in place until a consensus is reached. Please do not continue to delete them, and they will just be replaced. If you feel strongly about this, go participate in the debate -- if your point of view prevails, then there's nothing to stop spoilers from being removed. Until then, please cease. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk/ cont) 05:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Spoiler tags wouldn't be necessary at all if people stopped writing long, rambling plot "summaries" that include every single detail of the story! I'd like to see a discussion about how much or how little should be included in a synopsis. 209.247.22.164 13:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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I removed a line saying that the Ballet 'roughly follows' the Andersen story, which is simply not true. But it might be good if someone wrote a few accurate lines about the relation between the film and the fairy tale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.164.41 ( talk) 10:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I absolutely ADORE this film and always will. For those of us who love a good story and great music this is the most awesome combination of those in the entire universe. The score by Easdale is the most beautiful and chilling music combination I have ever heard.
Hal Evans, moviemaker 209.98.168.134 ( talk) 22:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
You might also link to the categories the film was also nominated. Now e have to copy and paste and guess what "Best Writing, Motion Picture Story" category is nowadays and in wikipedia...-- Nedergard ( talk) 16:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Am just dropping a note to say that Darren Aranofski's latest film, Black Swan, is drawing upon The Red Shoes in a number of ways which would be great to include in this section of the page. Will start thinking on this, but if anyone has the time and inclination to get started it would be of great benefit to the entry. 92.7.78.36 ( talk) 14:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC) basmatazz
Is the worldwide or UK box office gross/theatrical rental known? I've looked through several sources but can only find the American box-office. It seems a bit bizarre to use the US box office data for a British film, so it would be great if the British or international data could be tracked down. Betty Logan ( talk) 12:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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The last sentence does not make any sense to me. A verb is missing ? (68.165.99.171)
Was Vicky "forced" to dance? SteveCrook 22:15, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
"When it was first previewed a lot of ballet critics (in the UK and in the USA) wrote very good reviews about it, pleased to see ballet portrayed so well on screen. But when they realised that it was universally popular their reviews suddenly became quite dismissive of the film." A particular pair of quotes would make this sound less foolish. But perhaps there aren't any, and this just should be true, because critics are simply like that. -- Wetman 19:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Artihcus022 added a paragraph: Interestingly, Vicky's jump from the terrace and subsequent death is a result of a rather obvious plot hole as noted by critic Roger Ebert in his great movie review [1]. When Vicky runs down the stairs, the ballet had not yet started and her character within the ballet only acquires the shoes during it. Therefore, there was no logical reason for her wearing the red shoes before the ballet begins. As it says in that review, this was noted by, but not discovered by Ebert. Powell and Pressburger themselves discussed it (with the rest of the crew) as have many other people since then. Powell insisted that it was artistically right for Vicky to be wearing the shoes when she jumped. The reason why doesn't really matter too much. And there could be reasons why. She might have just been wearing them to check the fit or to break them in before using them for that performance. It was a one-off performance and she hadn't worn them for a performance for some time. So I don't think it can really be called a plot hole. If she isn't wearing the red shoes then they can't be considered as a possible reason why she jumped (or did she fall?) -- SteveCrook 21:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I knew fully well that it was an artistic decision by Powell and Pressburger. I just figured that people would click on the link and see the truth. I couldn't find a way to fit it in completely with the facts but yeah if you can do that'd be fine. But it is a plot hole. I loved the movie but it it isn't the first classic film with one. The Big Sleep also has one. There is no logical reason for Vicky to wear the shoes before the dance begins as she only acquires it during the first part of the performance within the film.
Is it absolutely certain that she actually dies? Terrible injuries like having her legs crushed or severed would explain why she would never dance again. Unsigned comment by 24.39.163.114
Can't understand why they cut that sequence! Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 23:52, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I understand your point, Jack, it does indeed seem as if Lermontov knows that she is dead before we see at the railway station that she is beyond hope. I'm sure that P&P were aware of the discontinuity, but chose the sequence they did because it created a very strong parallel between what is going on in the real world and what is happeneing in the ballet, and that was necessary for the storytelling to be more powerful. Remember, these films were made to be seen once, or at most a couple of times (by fanatics), so the filmmakers could rely on being able to be a bit "sloppy" in specifics in order to created the right emotional arc, knowing that few people would pick up on it, especially if they're being carried away by the story.
So it's a plot inconsistency, sort of on the level of the one about why she's wearing the red shoes before the ballet begins, but I think I understand why it came about, and it doesn't particularly bother me. Overall, I'd say the film is stronger for it. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 02:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I edited the summary where Vicki dies. The text originally had "She leapt from the balcony," implying she committed suicide. I've heard more debate on her death. I added in a sentence about the speculation and different theories on why she fell from the balcony (suicide, overjoy at seeing Julian, or the shoes drove her to it). -- Jessikins 03:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a ongoing community debate about spoilers and how (and if) they should be used. The wholseale removal of them is pre-empting that result of that debate before a consensus is declared. While the debate is ongoing, the status quo should be maintained, and that means that spoilers should (and shall) stay in place until a consensus is reached. Please do not continue to delete them, and they will just be replaced. If you feel strongly about this, go participate in the debate -- if your point of view prevails, then there's nothing to stop spoilers from being removed. Until then, please cease. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk/ cont) 05:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Spoiler tags wouldn't be necessary at all if people stopped writing long, rambling plot "summaries" that include every single detail of the story! I'd like to see a discussion about how much or how little should be included in a synopsis. 209.247.22.164 13:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 09:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed a line saying that the Ballet 'roughly follows' the Andersen story, which is simply not true. But it might be good if someone wrote a few accurate lines about the relation between the film and the fairy tale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.164.41 ( talk) 10:59, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I absolutely ADORE this film and always will. For those of us who love a good story and great music this is the most awesome combination of those in the entire universe. The score by Easdale is the most beautiful and chilling music combination I have ever heard.
Hal Evans, moviemaker 209.98.168.134 ( talk) 22:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
You might also link to the categories the film was also nominated. Now e have to copy and paste and guess what "Best Writing, Motion Picture Story" category is nowadays and in wikipedia...-- Nedergard ( talk) 16:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Am just dropping a note to say that Darren Aranofski's latest film, Black Swan, is drawing upon The Red Shoes in a number of ways which would be great to include in this section of the page. Will start thinking on this, but if anyone has the time and inclination to get started it would be of great benefit to the entry. 92.7.78.36 ( talk) 14:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC) basmatazz
Is the worldwide or UK box office gross/theatrical rental known? I've looked through several sources but can only find the American box-office. It seems a bit bizarre to use the US box office data for a British film, so it would be great if the British or international data could be tracked down. Betty Logan ( talk) 12:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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