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Here's the source. Npamusic ( talk) 23:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
As of today, the movie has begun filming. As such this page needs to be moved from a draft into an actual article.-- DisneyMetalhead ( talk) 18:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
From what I can tell going through all of the sources for this overhaul, this film is mostly referred to as The New Mutants, sometimes X-Men: The New Mutants, and occasionally just New Mutants. The shorter ones could just be a shortened version of a longer title, but I think it is unclear what exactly the film is called, so I've used the title it was announced with (The New Mutants) throughout the article, but I am happy to discuss this here. - adamstom97 ( talk) 09:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I keep noticing that certain contributors keep trying to link the portrayals of this movie's characters to other portrayals in this article, as oppose to the relevant article. That should probably stop. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 15:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Like its all part of the same universe? I think not. All of the sources say this is something different (except for some of the fan bloggers, which perform mental acrobatics trying to shoehoen this into the X-Men timeline). - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 23:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
expanding the universe of the X-Men films. - adamstom97 ( talk) 23:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
It is intended to be the first of a trilogy, and is part of the X-Men universe.The reason I have not done that is because of the overwhelming consensus against referring to there being an "X-Men universe" rather than just a single film series. Just because a discussion took place somewhere else does not mean that it does not apply here, and we should be consistent with this decision (not say the film is part of the series in one place and not part of it somewhere else). Again, my issue is not that I don't want to change this, it is that we need to have a proper discussion and get everyone who prrviously discussed this involved so that we can do this properly. - adamstom97 ( talk) 20:52, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus against the proposed move ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 18:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
The New Mutants (film) → The New Mutants – For the same reason why there is an upcoming film titled The Suicide Squad that doesn't redirect to Suicide Squad. Also, precision. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I stumbled across this while working the Sophie Turner article:
"She does have a big-budget movie in the can, playing the werewolf-y mutant Wolfsbane in the X-Men spinoff New Mutants, but the film seems trapped in corporate limbo, thanks to Disney’s pending purchase of Fox. She doesn’t mince words on the situation. “Who knows when the fuck that’s gonna come out,” she says. There were supposed to be reshoots to “make it scarier,” she explains, but they haven’t actually taken place. She says she saw one of her co-stars, Charlie Heaton, the other day and asked him, “What the fuck is going on with this movie?” He didn’t know either. She smiles. “Hopefully this interview will make everyone hurry up a little bit!” If it does ever come out, both she and Turner — who plays Jean Grey over in the main X-Men movies — are dying to get their characters together. “It would be ridiculously stupid if they didn’t do that,” Williams says."
It's from an interview conducted with both Williams and Turner regarding growing up together while filming GoT and their friendship. Use whatever you want from it. Cheers, - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 15:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
There is a request for comment whose outcome may affect this article: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films. Nardog ( talk) 16:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
The general consensus here is to retain the credited distributor ("20th Century Fox" or "Fox Searchlight Pictures") and as such, to not unilaterally change names of credited subsidiary distributors to their parent, "Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures". Geraldo Perez ( talk) 06:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
There's been some ping-ponging about whether the film should be classified as either horror or superhero genres. One contributor reverting even offered the silly (and incorrect) reasoning that we could only use one defining term. Since there is a truckload of references noting both genres, we include both genres as well - we follow the references, since they know that the hell they are talking about.
And if anyone wants to argue that the film isn't horror, they should probably look at the many sources classifying it as such. Be thankful that someone didn't want to add a teen genre as well, because there is substantive basis for that as well. With a glut of superhero films, classifying this movie as horror, which appears to be sidestepping the capes genre, is inescapable. -
Jack Sebastian (
talk)
03:21, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there a problem with calling it a “superhero horror film”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.179.195.219 ( talk) 09:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the sequels were actually announced to be cancelled. The article linked as citing New Mutants as having Watts say its the last of the X-Men film series is a quote of her saying Dark Phoenix last one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.79.120 ( talk) 21:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It has since been corrected by adding the announcement that Fox's X-Men films that were in development were cancelled after Disney's purchase of the company ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
It also looks like it initially was supposed to be linked to X-Men: Apocalypse, but references to the film were removed after bad reviews. It's worth mentioning that the timeline is set in present day after the last few entries in the franchise were set in the past [1] -- Ursula johnson ( talk) 22:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC) UrsulaJohnson
This page describes well the convoluted journey this film has been on, it seems that though re-shoots were planned several times, no re-shoots where actually ever done and that the film coming out in April 2020 is the directors original visio. So was the post credit scene re-shoot to replace Jonathan Hamm with Antonio Banderas actually filmed? I cant find anything either way. ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I think we should remove the small paragraph at the end of the Cast Section referring to Antonio Banderas, now the director has reconfirmed that no reshoots or any other filming was done after 2017? Source Exclusive: The New Mutants director sets the record straight on reshoot rumblings “Everybody said we did reshoots! We’ve never done reshoots."
Ok if he is fibbing we can add Banderas back, but the article will not look too good if he is not in it. ~ BOD ~ TALK 22:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the beginning paragraph states that the film was "initially developed to be an installment of the 'X-Men' film series". Since it is still considered to be part of Fox's 'X-Men' series, I would like to request permission to rephrase it as being the thirteenth and final installment in the series. ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:27, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Question - @ Bodney and Facu-el Millo:, I noticed that you're also removing any mention of it as X-Men spinoff in the lede. Just wondering, which consensus concluded that it's not an X-Men spinoff and how was that reached? The director and every reliable source from the time it was ordered describes it as an X-Men spinoff. None of the related talks seem to have come close to that conclusion. While it's debatable whether to call it "thirteenth and final" per WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:CRYSTAL, since when did it stop being an X-Men spin-off? — Starforce13 01:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I propose we change 'installment' to 'standalone spinoff' of the X-Men franchise.* The word 'installment' suggests a very much closer tie to the rest the X-Men, another film related in the continuing saga of the main X Men characters everybody knows. New Mutants is something very separate in so many ways, yet still in the same universe. If the is ever a sequel we can deal with that later.
< http://deadline.com/2015/05/the-new-mutants-x-men-josh-boone-the-fault-in-our-stars-fox-1201425641/>
~ BOD ~ TALK 15:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Since there has been so much division over this discussion, I'm willing to leave the article as it is (simply stating that it's an installment in the "X-Men" series and not necessarily the "final installment") ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The reason I feel like it should be restored to "Future" as opposed to "Sequel plans" is that "Future" is a more neutral term and the possibility of any sequels is still unlikely in light of Disney's purchase of Fox. Whether a sequel is made or not, the future is the future. ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
"Future" suggests to [him] that there is potential for the sequels to be made, while still highly unlikely, there is a possibility that sequels are made. El Millo ( talk) 22:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
So are we in agreement, then? ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 03:00, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
It was just a suggestion really because we usually use "Future" for sequels that are going to happen but have not been made official yet. If you guys still think "Future" applies then I am happy to go with that. - adamstom97 ( talk) 03:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I saw an IP making this change, and it got me thinking as well. After the merge was complete, Walt Disney Studios is now the distributor of any Fox films it inherited and 20th Century Studios is now simply a production studio, on a similar level as Disney Animation, Pixar, Marvel Studios, etc. Is this wrong? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
"Similar to other Disney film units, distribution of 20th Century Studios films is now handled by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, while Searchlight Pictures operates their own autonomous distribution unit." [1]So I guess we should change it to Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures in all films produced by 20th Century Studios. El Millo ( talk) 17:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The has been a little edit dispute about were this sentence should go, at the end of the lead or in the paragraph that refers to Disney. In other articles information about future films might logically go at the end of the lead, but this sentence has nothing to do with the corona virus pandemic & delay final paragraph, but instead directly refers to the time of the Disney takeover and how impacts the original planned trilogy. So I believe in this instance it really does makes more logical sense to have this sentence that refers to the effect of the Disney takeover in the same paragraph which talks about the Disney merger.
To Quote da rules that all editors know.... Wikipedia has no firm rules, while Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, (and common practices and styles etc), they are not carved in stone... their content and interpretation can evolve over time, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires allowing exceptions, especially when they make logical sense. ~ BOD ~ TALK 13:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
We could mention that the film was originally pitched as the beginning of a trilogy. But remove everything else about sequels from the lede until there's actually a sequel in development. As for reshoots, just because sites like Collider, Screenrant and Comicbook.com are used a lot doesn't make them reliable for everything. Most of their articles are based on rumors and fan theories. — Starforce13 13:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: The main problem I have with certain passages in this article, regarding wikilinks to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic article in prose writing, is that they often repeat the year twice in the same sentence, e.g. "...in March 2020 due to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic...". The name was always meant to be a name used to disambiguate a Wikipedia article's title, and it's not an official name of sorts for the pandemic by any means, so it doesn't make much sense to me to be using "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic" in this manner. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 09:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, so I had a look at this page today, and I saw that the movie is reportedly being released in September 2020, according to this page. However, Box Office Mojo doesn't have any official information on the release! Is this just somebody's prank or is this actual release date? Blogorgonopsid, 15th April 2020 14:50 (GMT+1)
I saw today some venues reported the film being available for pre-order on Amazon, like CinemaBlend, MovieWeb and IGN. Should we include this now or should we wait for official confirmation? El Millo ( talk) 22:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Here's the source. Npamusic ( talk) 23:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
As of today, the movie has begun filming. As such this page needs to be moved from a draft into an actual article.-- DisneyMetalhead ( talk) 18:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
From what I can tell going through all of the sources for this overhaul, this film is mostly referred to as The New Mutants, sometimes X-Men: The New Mutants, and occasionally just New Mutants. The shorter ones could just be a shortened version of a longer title, but I think it is unclear what exactly the film is called, so I've used the title it was announced with (The New Mutants) throughout the article, but I am happy to discuss this here. - adamstom97 ( talk) 09:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I keep noticing that certain contributors keep trying to link the portrayals of this movie's characters to other portrayals in this article, as oppose to the relevant article. That should probably stop. - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 15:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Like its all part of the same universe? I think not. All of the sources say this is something different (except for some of the fan bloggers, which perform mental acrobatics trying to shoehoen this into the X-Men timeline). - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 23:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
expanding the universe of the X-Men films. - adamstom97 ( talk) 23:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
It is intended to be the first of a trilogy, and is part of the X-Men universe.The reason I have not done that is because of the overwhelming consensus against referring to there being an "X-Men universe" rather than just a single film series. Just because a discussion took place somewhere else does not mean that it does not apply here, and we should be consistent with this decision (not say the film is part of the series in one place and not part of it somewhere else). Again, my issue is not that I don't want to change this, it is that we need to have a proper discussion and get everyone who prrviously discussed this involved so that we can do this properly. - adamstom97 ( talk) 20:52, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus against the proposed move ( closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 ( talk) 18:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
The New Mutants (film) → The New Mutants – For the same reason why there is an upcoming film titled The Suicide Squad that doesn't redirect to Suicide Squad. Also, precision. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I stumbled across this while working the Sophie Turner article:
"She does have a big-budget movie in the can, playing the werewolf-y mutant Wolfsbane in the X-Men spinoff New Mutants, but the film seems trapped in corporate limbo, thanks to Disney’s pending purchase of Fox. She doesn’t mince words on the situation. “Who knows when the fuck that’s gonna come out,” she says. There were supposed to be reshoots to “make it scarier,” she explains, but they haven’t actually taken place. She says she saw one of her co-stars, Charlie Heaton, the other day and asked him, “What the fuck is going on with this movie?” He didn’t know either. She smiles. “Hopefully this interview will make everyone hurry up a little bit!” If it does ever come out, both she and Turner — who plays Jean Grey over in the main X-Men movies — are dying to get their characters together. “It would be ridiculously stupid if they didn’t do that,” Williams says."
It's from an interview conducted with both Williams and Turner regarding growing up together while filming GoT and their friendship. Use whatever you want from it. Cheers, - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 15:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
There is a request for comment whose outcome may affect this article: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films. Nardog ( talk) 16:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
The general consensus here is to retain the credited distributor ("20th Century Fox" or "Fox Searchlight Pictures") and as such, to not unilaterally change names of credited subsidiary distributors to their parent, "Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures". Geraldo Perez ( talk) 06:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
There's been some ping-ponging about whether the film should be classified as either horror or superhero genres. One contributor reverting even offered the silly (and incorrect) reasoning that we could only use one defining term. Since there is a truckload of references noting both genres, we include both genres as well - we follow the references, since they know that the hell they are talking about.
And if anyone wants to argue that the film isn't horror, they should probably look at the many sources classifying it as such. Be thankful that someone didn't want to add a teen genre as well, because there is substantive basis for that as well. With a glut of superhero films, classifying this movie as horror, which appears to be sidestepping the capes genre, is inescapable. -
Jack Sebastian (
talk)
03:21, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there a problem with calling it a “superhero horror film”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.179.195.219 ( talk) 09:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the sequels were actually announced to be cancelled. The article linked as citing New Mutants as having Watts say its the last of the X-Men film series is a quote of her saying Dark Phoenix last one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.79.120 ( talk) 21:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It has since been corrected by adding the announcement that Fox's X-Men films that were in development were cancelled after Disney's purchase of the company ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
It also looks like it initially was supposed to be linked to X-Men: Apocalypse, but references to the film were removed after bad reviews. It's worth mentioning that the timeline is set in present day after the last few entries in the franchise were set in the past [1] -- Ursula johnson ( talk) 22:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC) UrsulaJohnson
This page describes well the convoluted journey this film has been on, it seems that though re-shoots were planned several times, no re-shoots where actually ever done and that the film coming out in April 2020 is the directors original visio. So was the post credit scene re-shoot to replace Jonathan Hamm with Antonio Banderas actually filmed? I cant find anything either way. ~ BOD ~ TALK 23:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
I think we should remove the small paragraph at the end of the Cast Section referring to Antonio Banderas, now the director has reconfirmed that no reshoots or any other filming was done after 2017? Source Exclusive: The New Mutants director sets the record straight on reshoot rumblings “Everybody said we did reshoots! We’ve never done reshoots."
Ok if he is fibbing we can add Banderas back, but the article will not look too good if he is not in it. ~ BOD ~ TALK 22:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the beginning paragraph states that the film was "initially developed to be an installment of the 'X-Men' film series". Since it is still considered to be part of Fox's 'X-Men' series, I would like to request permission to rephrase it as being the thirteenth and final installment in the series. ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:27, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Question - @ Bodney and Facu-el Millo:, I noticed that you're also removing any mention of it as X-Men spinoff in the lede. Just wondering, which consensus concluded that it's not an X-Men spinoff and how was that reached? The director and every reliable source from the time it was ordered describes it as an X-Men spinoff. None of the related talks seem to have come close to that conclusion. While it's debatable whether to call it "thirteenth and final" per WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:CRYSTAL, since when did it stop being an X-Men spin-off? — Starforce13 01:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I propose we change 'installment' to 'standalone spinoff' of the X-Men franchise.* The word 'installment' suggests a very much closer tie to the rest the X-Men, another film related in the continuing saga of the main X Men characters everybody knows. New Mutants is something very separate in so many ways, yet still in the same universe. If the is ever a sequel we can deal with that later.
< http://deadline.com/2015/05/the-new-mutants-x-men-josh-boone-the-fault-in-our-stars-fox-1201425641/>
~ BOD ~ TALK 15:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Since there has been so much division over this discussion, I'm willing to leave the article as it is (simply stating that it's an installment in the "X-Men" series and not necessarily the "final installment") ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:42, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The reason I feel like it should be restored to "Future" as opposed to "Sequel plans" is that "Future" is a more neutral term and the possibility of any sequels is still unlikely in light of Disney's purchase of Fox. Whether a sequel is made or not, the future is the future. ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 19:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
"Future" suggests to [him] that there is potential for the sequels to be made, while still highly unlikely, there is a possibility that sequels are made. El Millo ( talk) 22:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
So are we in agreement, then? ChristianJosephAllbee ( talk) 03:00, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
It was just a suggestion really because we usually use "Future" for sequels that are going to happen but have not been made official yet. If you guys still think "Future" applies then I am happy to go with that. - adamstom97 ( talk) 03:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I saw an IP making this change, and it got me thinking as well. After the merge was complete, Walt Disney Studios is now the distributor of any Fox films it inherited and 20th Century Studios is now simply a production studio, on a similar level as Disney Animation, Pixar, Marvel Studios, etc. Is this wrong? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 15:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
"Similar to other Disney film units, distribution of 20th Century Studios films is now handled by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, while Searchlight Pictures operates their own autonomous distribution unit." [1]So I guess we should change it to Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures in all films produced by 20th Century Studios. El Millo ( talk) 17:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The has been a little edit dispute about were this sentence should go, at the end of the lead or in the paragraph that refers to Disney. In other articles information about future films might logically go at the end of the lead, but this sentence has nothing to do with the corona virus pandemic & delay final paragraph, but instead directly refers to the time of the Disney takeover and how impacts the original planned trilogy. So I believe in this instance it really does makes more logical sense to have this sentence that refers to the effect of the Disney takeover in the same paragraph which talks about the Disney merger.
To Quote da rules that all editors know.... Wikipedia has no firm rules, while Wikipedia has policies and guidelines, (and common practices and styles etc), they are not carved in stone... their content and interpretation can evolve over time, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires allowing exceptions, especially when they make logical sense. ~ BOD ~ TALK 13:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
We could mention that the film was originally pitched as the beginning of a trilogy. But remove everything else about sequels from the lede until there's actually a sequel in development. As for reshoots, just because sites like Collider, Screenrant and Comicbook.com are used a lot doesn't make them reliable for everything. Most of their articles are based on rumors and fan theories. — Starforce13 13:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93: The main problem I have with certain passages in this article, regarding wikilinks to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic article in prose writing, is that they often repeat the year twice in the same sentence, e.g. "...in March 2020 due to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic...". The name was always meant to be a name used to disambiguate a Wikipedia article's title, and it's not an official name of sorts for the pandemic by any means, so it doesn't make much sense to me to be using "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic" in this manner. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 09:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, so I had a look at this page today, and I saw that the movie is reportedly being released in September 2020, according to this page. However, Box Office Mojo doesn't have any official information on the release! Is this just somebody's prank or is this actual release date? Blogorgonopsid, 15th April 2020 14:50 (GMT+1)
I saw today some venues reported the film being available for pre-order on Amazon, like CinemaBlend, MovieWeb and IGN. Should we include this now or should we wait for official confirmation? El Millo ( talk) 22:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)