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@ Trailblazer101: I didn't want to revert your most recent addition without discussing first, but I feel that this is a bit of a non-update. She says that she doesn't know when filming will start, and it will start when it is safe, both of which are things that generally don't need to be stated. Especially for a film where we have had such recent updates and don't really need an update to show that it is still in development. - adamstom97 ( talk) 06:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Filming is supposed to start the week of April 12, and is prominently stated in the infobox on the top of the page. If we don't get a secondary source on this by tomorrow, are we still scheduled to move the page to the mainspace? - Richiekim ( talk) 13:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Apparently, there was a production notice for Goat Rodeo and Warbird II Productions, the respective working title and production for this film, in Jersey City from April 9 for filming in green screen plates for one day. I haven't found an article on this yet. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 18:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Adding this here, just in case someone else tries to add it back because some site called it a "synopsis" and others ran with it. Please note that a synopsis or premise is usually a summary of what happens in the film. It's a high level summary of the plot. An article like this promoting the film and mentioning who is featured in it does not translate to a synopsis/premise. Marvel.com did a description like that for all the films featured in the "Marvel Celebrates the Movies" video. They're not premises/synopsis. They're just promotional material. No rush, wait for the real official synopsis. — Starforce13 17:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, Facu-el Millo, TriiipleThreat, Richiekim, and Starforce13: Given this film is now titled "The Marvels", and the current state of the article varies on who the leads are and what the "based on" credit is (without any current credits available), I think it is best to discuss what approach should be undertaken for these to remain consistent. Naturally, as this started off as "Captain Marvel 2", the crediting of " Captain Marvel" and " Carol Danvers" worked, carrying over from the first film, but with this new title and reports indicating it is meant to represent all three confirmed characters thus far, Carol, Monica Rambeau, and Kamala Khan / Ms. Marvel, I think it would be best to find a way to credit each one. I'm not too sure if we should just have "Carol Danvers", " Monica Rambeau", and " Kamala Khan" or also include "Captain Marvel" and " Ms. Marvel", as we do for the Ant-Man films and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, as that would be a bit much. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 21:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics" but then later says "
Based on the beloved Marvel comic-book series, first published in 1967" which could either mean Marvel Super-Heroes by Stan Lee and Gene Colan or the Captain Marvel series by Roy Thomas and Gene Colan, both which debuted in 1967. So for now in both articles, we could simply put based on Marvel Comics by Stan Lee, Gene Colan, and Roy Thomas.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 12:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the novel by J.K. Rowling. To say that novel is Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone clearly isn't SYNTH, "the novel" is clearly referring to that novel, just like "the Marvel Comic" is clearly referring to that comic book character. Now that's entirely different to taking a credit that just says "Based on the Marvel Comics", then going to the Press Kit, seeing it specifies a year, then seeing that the two creators of the comic book character were given a Special Thanks credit and then take that to justify crediting them in the
|Based on=
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El Millo (
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17:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
To avoid duplicate discussions, I think we should close this one but change the credits here to use the "based on Marvel Comics" credits used on the first Captain Marvel. That way we don't have to choose which one of the 3 characters and 3 alter egos we have to credit... and just stick to what Marvel used in the first film. So, if no opposition, we should change this to "based on Marvel Comics" while we try to reach a consensus for the rest of the MCU. — Starforce13 20:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion involving this and many other MCU film articles at Talk:Loki (TV series)#"Featuring" vs "Based on" in the opening sentence that may be of interest of watchers of this page. — El Millo ( talk) 03:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 01:44, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
The Marvels (film) → The Marvels – This might seem to be too premature, but this film seems to be the primary topic for this article name, especially in comparison with the other articles. It is worth noting the only other article with this name, The Marvels (band) (which is a stub and rarely received any pageviews before), was just called The Marvels until the film name came along. The other in the disambiguation is a redirect to the author's article. Also, this page receives 99 percent of the pageviews [ [1]] against the band and the disambiguation, even accounting for the time before the film name was even announced. Just my thoughts. Hummerrocket (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, Ive noticed that Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury is removed from the cast list. Isn't he supposed to be in the Marvels or was he talking about filming the Secret Invasion TV Show? 2A02:C7E:1814:6B00:3DA4:B566:9D67:403 ( talk) 14:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
There are a few cast members who have been subtly revealed through IMDB recently: namely Lashana Lynch (Maria Rambeau), Jude Law (Yon-Rogg), Cobie Smulders (Maria Hill), Randall Park (Jimmy Woo), and Mohan Kapoor (Yusuf Khan from the upcoming Ms. Marvel series) - on IMDB Thom Jones is listed as Lashana Lynch's stunt double, John Humber as Jude Law's assistant, Marie Fink as Cobie Smulder's stunt double, Simon Rhee as Randall Park's stunt double, and Sonny Louis as Mohan Kapoor's stunt double. This confirms all of these actors involvements and thinking about the placement of all of these actors and the context of the movie I would say they make a lot of sense in the movie. I would think this confirms their involvement (in the end we all know they'll be in the movie whether or not this is good enough "confirmation") but I was just wondering if putting them on page was a good idea.
I need help sourcing (IMDB cast list) and I'm not sure if the order is right but I just thought I would let you know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:98a:4300:9230:4549:e20f:67af:9df9 ( talk) 01:52, 29 August, 2021 (UTC)
Just noting here some likely reasons for TriiipleThreat's revert of the additions of Fury and the Khan family: Film London provides SLJ's casting as a brief mention in a box that is not part of the article, which provides no additional context or reasoning for the casting, so it is likely based on his Insta post, which we are holding off on per #Regarding SLJ above.
As for the Khan family, the post is from a low-profile, unverified account, so cannot be counted as a reliable source, whilst the picture is simply of the London Eye and provides no indication that the user undertook filming for this project. IronManCap ( talk) 14:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Just adding a note here as well as the one happening at Draft talk:Secret Invasion (TV series), reliable sources are split on what project SLJ means by his Instagram post. Outside of the shirt he is wearing, nothing is indicating it is for The Marvels, but it also isn't explicitly indicating Secret Invasion. See the draft talk discussion for more and to join in the conversation. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Given, SLJ has now made Secret Invasion specific social media posts, should we reconsider the ones back in August to actually being for The Marvels? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 23:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Marvels's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "PhaseFour":
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
The Ms. Marvel series, noticeably, avoided the word mutant. They referred to any character the comics would call mutant as the established MCU "enhanced" Why is she called a mutant in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.40.86 ( talk)
Disney confirmed on their press site that Zawe Ashton is playing Dar-Benn. Aldwiki1 ( talk) 15:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Has any other publication made mention of these actors, particularly Smulders and Park? Just feels a bit odd since there as no previous indication they'd be involved. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Should Hill still be listed as appearing in the movie after the first episode of Secret Invasion? - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) 22:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Her seventh movie appearance is reportedly coming in November’s The Marvels, which could be them going off of the Collider report. Given the conflicting reports, I still think it is fine to remain hidden until we are certain. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 19:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Only McDonnell and DaCosta and Karasik are credited on the poster released recently. Something must have happened with Wells's contributions to the script. - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) 05:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Bloomberg (limited access) is reporting insiders are saying Disney may delay some of their remaining 2023 releases because of the strikes and not having cast to promote them, but others are saying The Marvels is too far along in its marketing and won't be pushed. Should we include this at all? Here's CBR's article reporting on Bloomberg's report. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 14:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
MarioProtIV ( talk/ contribs) 17:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)Some films may be too far along in their marketing to change. Haunted Mansion is scheduled to hit theaters July 28. Last week, Disney released a trailer for The Marvels, a superhero film that’s likely to be the biggest picture still on the calendar, saying it’s scheduled for Nov. 10.
Walt Disney Co. is reviewing its schedule of film releases through the rest of the year and may delay some titles because striking actors won’t help promote the pictures, according to people familiar with the matter. The discussions are at an early stage, but could impact films including Poor Things, Next Goal Wins, Wish and Magazine Dreams, which are all slated for release this year. Any changes will depend on the outcome of the review, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters." before its mention of The Marvels. I think it is entirely possible for a slight delay. It is also noted of WBD's consideration of moving Dune Part Two (also a November release). I think we can include this report and what all the sides are saying on it, and if nothing comes from the internal review, we can easily remove it. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 21:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
I know "Spectrum" is yet to be used as Monica's hero name in the MCU, but that's what she's called in the comics. I think therefore that should be reflected. Visokor ( talk) 17:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
I feel it is important to note that while the original budget when the film was scheduled for a July 2022 release was $274.8 gross, with $219.8m after UK tax write-offs, the entire film has been reshot twice and that's not factoring in the additional costs of insuring the film throughout the delays.
As such it's completely infeasible for the $219.8m net budget to be its actual budget as of 2023. 2A00:23C7:80B:7901:CEB:2C27:4638:AE2B ( talk) 13:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
it's missing stuff. 2600:1004:B30B:D052:B4EA:597:5122:36C0 ( talk) 02:25, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Many sources are reporting the $130 million budget, but in April Forbes said that was the budget only for the first two months of filming, not the entire movie: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ so who is right? 79.50.113.179 ( talk) 20:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
The net was removed from the infobox, but I don't see any consensus here or in the other pages where the net was removed-- 79.50.113.179 ( talk) 11:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
it spent $274.8 million&
This brought its net spending down to $219.8 million- so we can't report these figures strictly verbatim as "the budget". We have to do a bit of thinking about what they mean and what information we are trying to discern. In our infobox template, we're after a specific thing: the production budget. That means how much money they paid to make the film. The source gives us two figures: spending, and net spending. Which one of those is the production budget? It's the first, because that's how much they paid to make the film. They paid the full $274.8m. The tax rebate came later.
The Article lists two sources for the opening weekend total. But one source puts the international total at $63.3 million, while the other source puts it at $41.5 million. That's a little too large a number to just be a rounding error. Can someone explain what gives? MLcausey ( talk) 05:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
I feel like more critic reviews should be featured in the Critical Response section, such as the positive reviews from IO9 and The Hollywood Reporter and the negative ones from The New York Post and The Telegraph. At the moment it feels a bit empty. if there's a reason it hasn't been done already, that's fine. 2A02:C7C:A4B6:1A00:5422:2760:981E:CB69 ( talk) 21:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
In the old parlance of 'column inhces' there's really only one critical view given here which leads me to believe that's pro-Disney editorialising going on
It's not making any money so a consensus based on that alone shows it's not well liked Montalban ( talk) 02:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that the plot summary has a note explaining that the fall of the Supreme Intelligence was "depicted in Captain Marvel (2019)". However, the destruction of that entity is only depicted via flashback in The Marvels itself. That flashback follows up on Danvers' intention to stop the Supreme Intelligence in Captain Marvel, even if we don't see her destroy it in the 2019 film. I reworded the opening sentence of the plot summary to clarify this, but it may be better leave the note out to avoid further confusion. jhsounds ( talk) 19:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
This Variety piece discusses the problems this production had, including the need for reshoots—but I don't see any of this reflected in our article. Oversight? Or has someone been "tidying it up", soda speak? – AndyFielding ( talk) 06:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
In response to a request at WP:RPPI, 72 hours of semi-protection has been applied to the Talk page due to a volume of repetitive commentary that risks overwhelming it and making orderly discussion impossible. Thank you for your understanding. Chetsford ( talk) 09:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
[2] This source puts loss at around 255 million. UnboundBeartic ( talk) 22:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, expect the budget to rise again around September 2024, as this is when the next UK tax filing will be released. poketape ( talk) 06:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
The box office totals in the article don't match the source (Box Office Mojo). Is there a good reason for this, or perhaps has BOM updated totals from initial estimates, but the article hasn't been correspondingly updated?
Article says:
Box office $206.1 million
The Marvels grossed $84.5 million in the United States and Canada, and $121.5 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $206 million.
Whereas the source says:
All Releases DOMESTIC (43.3%) $84,500,223 INTERNATIONAL (56.7%) $110,663,691 WORLDWIDE $195,163,914
Am I missing something? Dcfcowper ( talk) 21:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Madame Web ends its opening by stating it is a "box-office disaster" because it's only just surpassed its budget.
The Marvels failed to surpass its budget and is the lowest performing MCU movie. Surely given the financial definition of "box office disaster" that Wikipedia uses for Madame Web, that would be applicable here.
Why isn't The Marvels also labelled as a Box Office Disaster considering it lost the studio money, failed to break-even and did not even surpass its initial budget? 2A00:23C7:812:3A01:307E:D00:36D1:224C ( talk) 21:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Unconstructive, disruptive comments and accusations of other editors' intents and complains against the consensus. Ranting editor does not seem to be here to WP:Build an encyclopedia. Collapsing per WP:TALK#POSITIVE. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 20:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC) |
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@ Trailblazer101: I didn't want to revert your most recent addition without discussing first, but I feel that this is a bit of a non-update. She says that she doesn't know when filming will start, and it will start when it is safe, both of which are things that generally don't need to be stated. Especially for a film where we have had such recent updates and don't really need an update to show that it is still in development. - adamstom97 ( talk) 06:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Filming is supposed to start the week of April 12, and is prominently stated in the infobox on the top of the page. If we don't get a secondary source on this by tomorrow, are we still scheduled to move the page to the mainspace? - Richiekim ( talk) 13:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Apparently, there was a production notice for Goat Rodeo and Warbird II Productions, the respective working title and production for this film, in Jersey City from April 9 for filming in green screen plates for one day. I haven't found an article on this yet. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 18:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Adding this here, just in case someone else tries to add it back because some site called it a "synopsis" and others ran with it. Please note that a synopsis or premise is usually a summary of what happens in the film. It's a high level summary of the plot. An article like this promoting the film and mentioning who is featured in it does not translate to a synopsis/premise. Marvel.com did a description like that for all the films featured in the "Marvel Celebrates the Movies" video. They're not premises/synopsis. They're just promotional material. No rush, wait for the real official synopsis. — Starforce13 17:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Favre1fan93, Adamstom.97, Facu-el Millo, TriiipleThreat, Richiekim, and Starforce13: Given this film is now titled "The Marvels", and the current state of the article varies on who the leads are and what the "based on" credit is (without any current credits available), I think it is best to discuss what approach should be undertaken for these to remain consistent. Naturally, as this started off as "Captain Marvel 2", the crediting of " Captain Marvel" and " Carol Danvers" worked, carrying over from the first film, but with this new title and reports indicating it is meant to represent all three confirmed characters thus far, Carol, Monica Rambeau, and Kamala Khan / Ms. Marvel, I think it would be best to find a way to credit each one. I'm not too sure if we should just have "Carol Danvers", " Monica Rambeau", and " Kamala Khan" or also include "Captain Marvel" and " Ms. Marvel", as we do for the Ant-Man films and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, as that would be a bit much. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 21:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the Marvel Comics" but then later says "
Based on the beloved Marvel comic-book series, first published in 1967" which could either mean Marvel Super-Heroes by Stan Lee and Gene Colan or the Captain Marvel series by Roy Thomas and Gene Colan, both which debuted in 1967. So for now in both articles, we could simply put based on Marvel Comics by Stan Lee, Gene Colan, and Roy Thomas.-- TriiipleThreat ( talk) 12:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Based on the novel by J.K. Rowling. To say that novel is Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone clearly isn't SYNTH, "the novel" is clearly referring to that novel, just like "the Marvel Comic" is clearly referring to that comic book character. Now that's entirely different to taking a credit that just says "Based on the Marvel Comics", then going to the Press Kit, seeing it specifies a year, then seeing that the two creators of the comic book character were given a Special Thanks credit and then take that to justify crediting them in the
|Based on=
parameter. —
El Millo (
talk)
17:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
To avoid duplicate discussions, I think we should close this one but change the credits here to use the "based on Marvel Comics" credits used on the first Captain Marvel. That way we don't have to choose which one of the 3 characters and 3 alter egos we have to credit... and just stick to what Marvel used in the first film. So, if no opposition, we should change this to "based on Marvel Comics" while we try to reach a consensus for the rest of the MCU. — Starforce13 20:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
There's a discussion involving this and many other MCU film articles at Talk:Loki (TV series)#"Featuring" vs "Based on" in the opening sentence that may be of interest of watchers of this page. — El Millo ( talk) 03:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 01:44, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
The Marvels (film) → The Marvels – This might seem to be too premature, but this film seems to be the primary topic for this article name, especially in comparison with the other articles. It is worth noting the only other article with this name, The Marvels (band) (which is a stub and rarely received any pageviews before), was just called The Marvels until the film name came along. The other in the disambiguation is a redirect to the author's article. Also, this page receives 99 percent of the pageviews [ [1]] against the band and the disambiguation, even accounting for the time before the film name was even announced. Just my thoughts. Hummerrocket (talk) 00:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, Ive noticed that Samuel L Jackson as Nick Fury is removed from the cast list. Isn't he supposed to be in the Marvels or was he talking about filming the Secret Invasion TV Show? 2A02:C7E:1814:6B00:3DA4:B566:9D67:403 ( talk) 14:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
There are a few cast members who have been subtly revealed through IMDB recently: namely Lashana Lynch (Maria Rambeau), Jude Law (Yon-Rogg), Cobie Smulders (Maria Hill), Randall Park (Jimmy Woo), and Mohan Kapoor (Yusuf Khan from the upcoming Ms. Marvel series) - on IMDB Thom Jones is listed as Lashana Lynch's stunt double, John Humber as Jude Law's assistant, Marie Fink as Cobie Smulder's stunt double, Simon Rhee as Randall Park's stunt double, and Sonny Louis as Mohan Kapoor's stunt double. This confirms all of these actors involvements and thinking about the placement of all of these actors and the context of the movie I would say they make a lot of sense in the movie. I would think this confirms their involvement (in the end we all know they'll be in the movie whether or not this is good enough "confirmation") but I was just wondering if putting them on page was a good idea.
I need help sourcing (IMDB cast list) and I'm not sure if the order is right but I just thought I would let you know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:98a:4300:9230:4549:e20f:67af:9df9 ( talk) 01:52, 29 August, 2021 (UTC)
Just noting here some likely reasons for TriiipleThreat's revert of the additions of Fury and the Khan family: Film London provides SLJ's casting as a brief mention in a box that is not part of the article, which provides no additional context or reasoning for the casting, so it is likely based on his Insta post, which we are holding off on per #Regarding SLJ above.
As for the Khan family, the post is from a low-profile, unverified account, so cannot be counted as a reliable source, whilst the picture is simply of the London Eye and provides no indication that the user undertook filming for this project. IronManCap ( talk) 14:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Just adding a note here as well as the one happening at Draft talk:Secret Invasion (TV series), reliable sources are split on what project SLJ means by his Instagram post. Outside of the shirt he is wearing, nothing is indicating it is for The Marvels, but it also isn't explicitly indicating Secret Invasion. See the draft talk discussion for more and to join in the conversation. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Given, SLJ has now made Secret Invasion specific social media posts, should we reconsider the ones back in August to actually being for The Marvels? - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 23:12, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Marvels's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "PhaseFour":
{{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; July 21, 2019 suggested (
help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
The Ms. Marvel series, noticeably, avoided the word mutant. They referred to any character the comics would call mutant as the established MCU "enhanced" Why is she called a mutant in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.40.86 ( talk)
Disney confirmed on their press site that Zawe Ashton is playing Dar-Benn. Aldwiki1 ( talk) 15:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Has any other publication made mention of these actors, particularly Smulders and Park? Just feels a bit odd since there as no previous indication they'd be involved. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Should Hill still be listed as appearing in the movie after the first episode of Secret Invasion? - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) 22:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Her seventh movie appearance is reportedly coming in November’s The Marvels, which could be them going off of the Collider report. Given the conflicting reports, I still think it is fine to remain hidden until we are certain. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 19:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
Only McDonnell and DaCosta and Karasik are credited on the poster released recently. Something must have happened with Wells's contributions to the script. - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) 05:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Bloomberg (limited access) is reporting insiders are saying Disney may delay some of their remaining 2023 releases because of the strikes and not having cast to promote them, but others are saying The Marvels is too far along in its marketing and won't be pushed. Should we include this at all? Here's CBR's article reporting on Bloomberg's report. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 14:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
MarioProtIV ( talk/ contribs) 17:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)Some films may be too far along in their marketing to change. Haunted Mansion is scheduled to hit theaters July 28. Last week, Disney released a trailer for The Marvels, a superhero film that’s likely to be the biggest picture still on the calendar, saying it’s scheduled for Nov. 10.
Walt Disney Co. is reviewing its schedule of film releases through the rest of the year and may delay some titles because striking actors won’t help promote the pictures, according to people familiar with the matter. The discussions are at an early stage, but could impact films including Poor Things, Next Goal Wins, Wish and Magazine Dreams, which are all slated for release this year. Any changes will depend on the outcome of the review, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters." before its mention of The Marvels. I think it is entirely possible for a slight delay. It is also noted of WBD's consideration of moving Dune Part Two (also a November release). I think we can include this report and what all the sides are saying on it, and if nothing comes from the internal review, we can easily remove it. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 21:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
I know "Spectrum" is yet to be used as Monica's hero name in the MCU, but that's what she's called in the comics. I think therefore that should be reflected. Visokor ( talk) 17:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
I feel it is important to note that while the original budget when the film was scheduled for a July 2022 release was $274.8 gross, with $219.8m after UK tax write-offs, the entire film has been reshot twice and that's not factoring in the additional costs of insuring the film throughout the delays.
As such it's completely infeasible for the $219.8m net budget to be its actual budget as of 2023. 2A00:23C7:80B:7901:CEB:2C27:4638:AE2B ( talk) 13:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
it's missing stuff. 2600:1004:B30B:D052:B4EA:597:5122:36C0 ( talk) 02:25, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Many sources are reporting the $130 million budget, but in April Forbes said that was the budget only for the first two months of filming, not the entire movie: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ so who is right? 79.50.113.179 ( talk) 20:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
The net was removed from the infobox, but I don't see any consensus here or in the other pages where the net was removed-- 79.50.113.179 ( talk) 11:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
it spent $274.8 million&
This brought its net spending down to $219.8 million- so we can't report these figures strictly verbatim as "the budget". We have to do a bit of thinking about what they mean and what information we are trying to discern. In our infobox template, we're after a specific thing: the production budget. That means how much money they paid to make the film. The source gives us two figures: spending, and net spending. Which one of those is the production budget? It's the first, because that's how much they paid to make the film. They paid the full $274.8m. The tax rebate came later.
The Article lists two sources for the opening weekend total. But one source puts the international total at $63.3 million, while the other source puts it at $41.5 million. That's a little too large a number to just be a rounding error. Can someone explain what gives? MLcausey ( talk) 05:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
I feel like more critic reviews should be featured in the Critical Response section, such as the positive reviews from IO9 and The Hollywood Reporter and the negative ones from The New York Post and The Telegraph. At the moment it feels a bit empty. if there's a reason it hasn't been done already, that's fine. 2A02:C7C:A4B6:1A00:5422:2760:981E:CB69 ( talk) 21:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
In the old parlance of 'column inhces' there's really only one critical view given here which leads me to believe that's pro-Disney editorialising going on
It's not making any money so a consensus based on that alone shows it's not well liked Montalban ( talk) 02:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that the plot summary has a note explaining that the fall of the Supreme Intelligence was "depicted in Captain Marvel (2019)". However, the destruction of that entity is only depicted via flashback in The Marvels itself. That flashback follows up on Danvers' intention to stop the Supreme Intelligence in Captain Marvel, even if we don't see her destroy it in the 2019 film. I reworded the opening sentence of the plot summary to clarify this, but it may be better leave the note out to avoid further confusion. jhsounds ( talk) 19:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
This Variety piece discusses the problems this production had, including the need for reshoots—but I don't see any of this reflected in our article. Oversight? Or has someone been "tidying it up", soda speak? – AndyFielding ( talk) 06:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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[2] This source puts loss at around 255 million. UnboundBeartic ( talk) 22:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, expect the budget to rise again around September 2024, as this is when the next UK tax filing will be released. poketape ( talk) 06:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
The box office totals in the article don't match the source (Box Office Mojo). Is there a good reason for this, or perhaps has BOM updated totals from initial estimates, but the article hasn't been correspondingly updated?
Article says:
Box office $206.1 million
The Marvels grossed $84.5 million in the United States and Canada, and $121.5 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $206 million.
Whereas the source says:
All Releases DOMESTIC (43.3%) $84,500,223 INTERNATIONAL (56.7%) $110,663,691 WORLDWIDE $195,163,914
Am I missing something? Dcfcowper ( talk) 21:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Madame Web ends its opening by stating it is a "box-office disaster" because it's only just surpassed its budget.
The Marvels failed to surpass its budget and is the lowest performing MCU movie. Surely given the financial definition of "box office disaster" that Wikipedia uses for Madame Web, that would be applicable here.
Why isn't The Marvels also labelled as a Box Office Disaster considering it lost the studio money, failed to break-even and did not even surpass its initial budget? 2A00:23C7:812:3A01:307E:D00:36D1:224C ( talk) 21:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Unconstructive, disruptive comments and accusations of other editors' intents and complains against the consensus. Ranting editor does not seem to be here to WP:Build an encyclopedia. Collapsing per WP:TALK#POSITIVE. Trailblazer101 ( talk) 20:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC) |
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