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Someone added the categorie French Films at the bottom, but the article makes no mention of a French production company, French shooting locations, etc. Is this a mistake, or is the article not clarifying how Parnassus is a French film? - 98.221.120.104 ( talk) 05:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Please allow reasonable time to compile content for this article. I seem to be the only person working on it and I only have access to the internet for short periods of time. I invite others to share information, ideas and content to flesh out this subject. LEX LETHAL 15:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
someone changed "heath ledger" to "zombie heath ledger" in the sidebar. it directs to the article on zombies, rather than the article on heath ledger. someone should prolly fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.156.98 ( talk) 22:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
To anyone visiting the talk page, there is no information about how Ledger's death will affect production. There is no verifiable information about the size of his role and if he had already filmed his scenes or not. Please do not speculate in the article. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Heath Ledger died during filming the movie and was found dead in his bed, someone should change some of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.38.24 ( talk) 22:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Encouraging rumour. I hope it turns out to be true: http://www.bigpictureradio.com/2008/01/depp-to-fill-in-for-heath-ledger-in.html 71.205.136.119 ( talk) 01:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Saying that this film is "upcoming" implies and assumes far more than "unfinished" does. Is the film finished? No, it is not; that's a verifiable fact. Is it coming up? I don't know; my crystal ball isn't working. It's bad enough that WP puts predictions like this on films where the odds are in favor of them being true. I don't think we should put such a prediction on a film whose future is this cloudy. - JasonAQuest ( talk) 22:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
It tells the truth, it's non-speculative and doesn't give any misleading impressions either way. It might be a tiny bit clumsy, but it's not as if it'll be there for long; word will surely come out soon as to whether production will restart. If production is halted permanently, the article content will likely end up at the Gilliam page anyway. Steve T • C 00:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)"The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus is an American fantasy- adventure film production, directed by Terry Gilliam and written by Gilliam and screenwriter Charles McKeown. In January 2008, the death of Heath Ledger, whose presence had been vital to the film's financing, disrupted production of the film. The Imaginarium has been cast with [yada-yada]..."
How about using this picture of Heath Ledger on the Parnassus set or this production drawing taken from Gilliam's fanzine?. I think they could both be fair use, thoughts?.-- Yamanbaiia( free hugs!) 21:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the source of all rumors is probably the Sun. But if all this reliable sources are also publishing it, why shouldn't we? The BBC is also acknowledging the existance of these "reports". So is thisisnothigham.co.uk, movies.com, cinematical.com, herladsun.com.au, sify.com (India News), etc. -- Yamanbaiia( free hugs!) 19:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
A follow-up: "Rumors that Johnny Depp would step in for Ledger remain just that since Depp's spokeswoman says the actor is busy prepping Michael Mann's Public Enemies and hasn't had any official talks about Parnassus." Not sure if there's much credibility here. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 21:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I've never seen a Cast section use parentheses to detail the actors and their roles. It's either been Actor as Role or written out as prose as WP:MOSFILM encourages. I don't believe that any of the film articles in the spotlight have used parentheses. Perhaps this is confused with using parentheses within the Plot section to identify the actor behind each role? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry if not accurate: I'll take a look later; must log out now. -- NYScholar ( talk) 18:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [Further explanation: My original problem w/ the way the cast list has been presented has to do with the verb tenses relating to the unusual situation of this particular film's casting. The cast is still what it was (at this point in time); it's just not clear whether the film will be made and whether or not another cast member or members will be added to augment or change Heath Ledger's casting as Tony. (Perhaps the way I'm Not There uses multiple actors for characters who are incarnations of "Bob Dylan" might be informing this film's casting later as well? Who know at this point.) The main thing is that readers be able to understand the cast list. I'll review the format link given later. Thanks for clarifications here and in editing summary comments (which I just saw as well). -- NYScholar ( talk) 18:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [fixed my typo. error in above comment; sorry. Still no time to work any further on this matter. Hope this expl. suffices. Thanks. -- NYScholar ( talk) 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The "news" about the signing of Deep, Law & Farrell is sourced solely to Ain't It Cool News, a notoriously unreliable rumor and gossip website. (The other source cited, mtv.com, merely quotes AICN). It should probably go until better sources report this. Mike R ( talk) 06:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Citations. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 15:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The item of Ledger dying and being replaced by several different actors is used more or less the same way three separate times here. Can this be edited in a better way? CFLeon ( talk) 22:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The Italian version of this article gives as precise a release date for Italy (!) as March 2009, and even a translated Italian title yet: Parnassus - L'uomo che voleva ingannare il diavolo. Is the film really as close to release as Watchmen is? -- 77.185.11.174 ( talk) 01:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Guys it pass June 6.... So that's not the real theatrical release its just a announced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.140.139 ( talk) 05:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reference for the release dates? Staecker ( talk) 11:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the following paragraph to take out the reference to god:
I don't feel this is supported by the source ( Aintitcool: Quint calls THE IMAGINARIUM OF DOCTOR PARNASSUS unadulterated Terry Gilliam!), which merely states:
I believe the author is speaking metaphorically, not stating that he literally considers Parnassus an alter ego of god. Reidlophile ( talk) 19:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
In Italy, according to Box Office Mojo Parnassus even outdid Michael Jackson's This is it, allthroughout the run of Jackson's film it scored lower than Parnassus, and at the end of its run on November 15th Parnassus is still going strong (as in, not being dropped by theaters) and has grossed about twice as much. Might this be noticeable, regarding the fact that This is it was much more visible in the media, a much bigger production, and most people obviously thought it'd rather be the other way around? For instance, by the time Parnassus was brought up on the "expert forums" at Box Office Mojo some time this summer, it was virtually unknown, while people there at the same time were trying to predict whether This is it would gross above or below $200 million worldwide. Even now, the people at Box Office Mojo predict only "about $30-$50 million worldwide" (as in, including US domestic) for Parnassus, while the latest figures (dating November 22nd for Italy and France, November 15th for Spain, November 8th for NZ, and November 1st for the UK) for Europe alone (excluding all Australian grosses, where I heard it's going strong as well due to Ledger's nationality) add up to $17 million already. -- 79.193.75.125 ( talk) 17:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Just a note, the figures from Box Office Mojo for this film are not showing this weekends returns from Canadian theatres, where this film received a much expanded release.
Box Office Mojo shows the film opened last weekend in 10 theatres in Toronto, ON alone. I have no idea what the total number of Canadian theatres was, but a search shows at least one opening in pretty much every major Canadian city.
Canadian results usually are included in the domestic figures for films on Mojo. I confirmed that they are not going into the foreign results this time.
Anyway, someone may want to make a note in the article that not only are the Mojo figures still an estimate, but a very incomplete estimate including only the same four US theatres. Kid Bugs ( talk) 23:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I removed this note:
"A reference to Roberto Calvi, who was found hanging dead in 1982 under the same bridge."
as there is no proof for the claim. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 15:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I removed the phrase suggesting that the film is "being considered" for Academy Awards for picture, director, actor, etc. There was no citation, and the Oscar noms have not been announced yet (Jan 2010). Are there verifiable sources for these other awards (other than makeup)? I'm open to discussion. ¡ǝıʞʞǝɹʇ ʇuǝıɔuɐ ( talk) 22:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
The plot should contain the plot, not a summary of the whole movie. It would really ruin the movie for those who haven't already seen it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milo83 ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY object to the basic blow by blow account (in the most simplest, lowest common denominator terms) of what happens in this film as a presentation of the plot of this film for this article. And that it goes right through to the end. Plot accounts don't generally describe in a blow by blow fashion the last segment of a film. The current plot account operates significantly as a "spoiler" to those who haven't seen this film, and will leave cold and alienated those who have seen the film.
While the last commentator is right - this is an information source and not a movie review site - nobody suggested it was a movie review site. Because this specific information source is called an "Encyclopedia", which differs from other information sources. An encylopedia article is made up of general knowledge information so that someone who doesn't know the topic will have a good description of it. While the last commentator suggests that "revelaed secrets" is relevant to the potential "compendium of knowledge" for this film here, it seems he is getting mixed up. This is a general encyclopedia rather than a specialist encyclopedia. Encylopedia articles usually are general unless found in a specialist volume. The great thing about wikipedia is that, for those who are prepared to cope with the age old traditional context, the encyclopedia, specialist articles can be added separately to any main article. I have found that most people posting are aware that this site operates that way. If there are "revealed secrets" for this topic, they are best put in an article, perhaps entitled "secrets of [this film]", with a link put in this general encyclopedia article.
What this movie page is is an encyclopedia article. For those who did not grow up reading encyclopedias quite frequently, or haven't in some time, they really ought to go and read a number of encyclopedias for a good while. The smaller, one volume versions of 'Brittanica' can be found for around £6, for just getting to know the context. Encyclopedias are far from new, and Wikipedia is only one.
I've never seen a "plot description" given in such a way, outside of opera synopsae for people to read just before, while and just after they are experiencing the opera, which is often in a foreign language.
It does spoil the film. It does not at all tackle this film with any intelligence. This is one of the most intelligent films in terms of being thought provoking and having artistic themes that I can remember has been played to a biggish audience for a while. It takes an appreciation of this to give an account of the plot. Personally, I am not ready to do that just now. And anyway I would really appreciate if someone else could do it. If not, I will eventually, but that would be 2 months or so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lecochonbleu ( talk • contribs) 02:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Lecochonbleu ( talk) 02:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC) Lecochonbleu in Wikipedia.
Quoting previous commentator: "the plot summary -should- cover the main points of the film, and if that includes spoiler material, so be" it. The point of writing a plot description is to do so without giving elements of the plot away that will spoil the film. This much ought to be evident, it really should. It is a skill, and so that skill is bound up with what people actually expect in a plot description. While I do go some way down the road to agreeing that Wikipedia does allow more for commentary, and I guess is expected that way, it is still possible to sensitively write plot descriptions. OK, often Wikipedia film articles I've come across in their slight nod toward 'film appreciation' humanities examination style can be some way toward what the defending comments to blow by blow plots say, but not far. Plot description seldom is taken to mean the same thing as detailed full film synopsis. 86.12.232.33 ( talk) 02:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the passage mentioning Percy as a dwarf, because I can't find any reference supporting that theory. The character himself talks about dwarves using the third person. -- Marcus1979 ( talk) 14:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Percy is somewhat mystical as along with Dr. Parnassus, he did not age though the centuries. He mentions that without himself the good doctor would simply hire a dwarf, which indites they would resemble him in rough appearance only. Regardless if Percy is a dwarf, he does not consider himself one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.37.155 ( talk) 03:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I think he refers to himself as a midget, not a dwarf. Several times. Technically different. 2601:602:880:A3C0:D031:64ED:ECFD:37FA ( talk) 03:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
After the end credits, Tony's ringtone is heard playing many times. This seems to indicate he might still be alive, or at the very least someone is trying to contact him. Shouldn't this be mentioned? Many people miss it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.37.155 ( talk) 03:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it's there! Is that ringtone original or taken from an excisting phone company? I want it for my ringtone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.207.157 ( talk) 23:41, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to hear from other editors on whether it's appropriate to include a navbox for one actress who has a minor role in the film. I'm concerned that this might constitute undue weight, and it doesn't seem to improve the quality of the article in my opinion. Thanks. Doniago ( talk) 12:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
19-April-2011: I expanded the plot with some brief description of the "pastel-colored dream-world of giant high-heel shoes, bejeweled eggs and floating lily pads". If people cannot see the film, they need some of these details to understand events inside the mirror. Meanwhile, per WP:FILMPLOT, I condensed 125 simple words by shortening prepositional phrases, or leaving out obvious repetition of where people were located. More could be done; however, I think this film is a case where the plot should be more than 800 words. This film seems like a highly complex story which requires a long plot to sort through the events. There are 6 main characters, and 9 others to enter the Imaginarium, which itself takes a while to describe. More obvious phrases could be shortened, but I would add more about illogical events inside the mirror and the charity for multi-cultural children, as for what type of charity. Perhaps try to keep the Plot section within 1,000 words, which I left as 795 words. - Wikid77 08:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I saw the film on TV yesterday, and I was sure the plot was somehow familiar, but couldn't really put my thumb on it. This wikipedia page did not mention any tale that this story was based on, or similar to. Navigating through the links I finally stumbled upon it: Dr Faust! 'A magical re-telling of the Faust story' says the ' Heath Ledger' page. This was exactly the info I was looking for in the first place, so I added it to the header of this page. Mljmeerman ( talk) 16:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Doniago, Could you put it at the correct place? I am not an editor, I was just looking for information that imho should have been there but wasn't. That is why I added it, after I finally found it in another page. Sorry to have put it in the wrong place. I don't know where it should go if not the header. Thanks, mljmeerman 95.149.147.18 ( talk) 11:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
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Someone added the categorie French Films at the bottom, but the article makes no mention of a French production company, French shooting locations, etc. Is this a mistake, or is the article not clarifying how Parnassus is a French film? - 98.221.120.104 ( talk) 05:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Please allow reasonable time to compile content for this article. I seem to be the only person working on it and I only have access to the internet for short periods of time. I invite others to share information, ideas and content to flesh out this subject. LEX LETHAL 15:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
someone changed "heath ledger" to "zombie heath ledger" in the sidebar. it directs to the article on zombies, rather than the article on heath ledger. someone should prolly fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.156.98 ( talk) 22:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
To anyone visiting the talk page, there is no information about how Ledger's death will affect production. There is no verifiable information about the size of his role and if he had already filmed his scenes or not. Please do not speculate in the article. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 22:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Heath Ledger died during filming the movie and was found dead in his bed, someone should change some of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.38.24 ( talk) 22:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Encouraging rumour. I hope it turns out to be true: http://www.bigpictureradio.com/2008/01/depp-to-fill-in-for-heath-ledger-in.html 71.205.136.119 ( talk) 01:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Saying that this film is "upcoming" implies and assumes far more than "unfinished" does. Is the film finished? No, it is not; that's a verifiable fact. Is it coming up? I don't know; my crystal ball isn't working. It's bad enough that WP puts predictions like this on films where the odds are in favor of them being true. I don't think we should put such a prediction on a film whose future is this cloudy. - JasonAQuest ( talk) 22:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
It tells the truth, it's non-speculative and doesn't give any misleading impressions either way. It might be a tiny bit clumsy, but it's not as if it'll be there for long; word will surely come out soon as to whether production will restart. If production is halted permanently, the article content will likely end up at the Gilliam page anyway. Steve T • C 00:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)"The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus is an American fantasy- adventure film production, directed by Terry Gilliam and written by Gilliam and screenwriter Charles McKeown. In January 2008, the death of Heath Ledger, whose presence had been vital to the film's financing, disrupted production of the film. The Imaginarium has been cast with [yada-yada]..."
How about using this picture of Heath Ledger on the Parnassus set or this production drawing taken from Gilliam's fanzine?. I think they could both be fair use, thoughts?.-- Yamanbaiia( free hugs!) 21:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the source of all rumors is probably the Sun. But if all this reliable sources are also publishing it, why shouldn't we? The BBC is also acknowledging the existance of these "reports". So is thisisnothigham.co.uk, movies.com, cinematical.com, herladsun.com.au, sify.com (India News), etc. -- Yamanbaiia( free hugs!) 19:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
A follow-up: "Rumors that Johnny Depp would step in for Ledger remain just that since Depp's spokeswoman says the actor is busy prepping Michael Mann's Public Enemies and hasn't had any official talks about Parnassus." Not sure if there's much credibility here. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 21:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I've never seen a Cast section use parentheses to detail the actors and their roles. It's either been Actor as Role or written out as prose as WP:MOSFILM encourages. I don't believe that any of the film articles in the spotlight have used parentheses. Perhaps this is confused with using parentheses within the Plot section to identify the actor behind each role? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry if not accurate: I'll take a look later; must log out now. -- NYScholar ( talk) 18:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [Further explanation: My original problem w/ the way the cast list has been presented has to do with the verb tenses relating to the unusual situation of this particular film's casting. The cast is still what it was (at this point in time); it's just not clear whether the film will be made and whether or not another cast member or members will be added to augment or change Heath Ledger's casting as Tony. (Perhaps the way I'm Not There uses multiple actors for characters who are incarnations of "Bob Dylan" might be informing this film's casting later as well? Who know at this point.) The main thing is that readers be able to understand the cast list. I'll review the format link given later. Thanks for clarifications here and in editing summary comments (which I just saw as well). -- NYScholar ( talk) 18:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [fixed my typo. error in above comment; sorry. Still no time to work any further on this matter. Hope this expl. suffices. Thanks. -- NYScholar ( talk) 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The "news" about the signing of Deep, Law & Farrell is sourced solely to Ain't It Cool News, a notoriously unreliable rumor and gossip website. (The other source cited, mtv.com, merely quotes AICN). It should probably go until better sources report this. Mike R ( talk) 06:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Citations. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 15:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The item of Ledger dying and being replaced by several different actors is used more or less the same way three separate times here. Can this be edited in a better way? CFLeon ( talk) 22:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The Italian version of this article gives as precise a release date for Italy (!) as March 2009, and even a translated Italian title yet: Parnassus - L'uomo che voleva ingannare il diavolo. Is the film really as close to release as Watchmen is? -- 77.185.11.174 ( talk) 01:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Guys it pass June 6.... So that's not the real theatrical release its just a announced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.140.139 ( talk) 05:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reference for the release dates? Staecker ( talk) 11:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the following paragraph to take out the reference to god:
I don't feel this is supported by the source ( Aintitcool: Quint calls THE IMAGINARIUM OF DOCTOR PARNASSUS unadulterated Terry Gilliam!), which merely states:
I believe the author is speaking metaphorically, not stating that he literally considers Parnassus an alter ego of god. Reidlophile ( talk) 19:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
In Italy, according to Box Office Mojo Parnassus even outdid Michael Jackson's This is it, allthroughout the run of Jackson's film it scored lower than Parnassus, and at the end of its run on November 15th Parnassus is still going strong (as in, not being dropped by theaters) and has grossed about twice as much. Might this be noticeable, regarding the fact that This is it was much more visible in the media, a much bigger production, and most people obviously thought it'd rather be the other way around? For instance, by the time Parnassus was brought up on the "expert forums" at Box Office Mojo some time this summer, it was virtually unknown, while people there at the same time were trying to predict whether This is it would gross above or below $200 million worldwide. Even now, the people at Box Office Mojo predict only "about $30-$50 million worldwide" (as in, including US domestic) for Parnassus, while the latest figures (dating November 22nd for Italy and France, November 15th for Spain, November 8th for NZ, and November 1st for the UK) for Europe alone (excluding all Australian grosses, where I heard it's going strong as well due to Ledger's nationality) add up to $17 million already. -- 79.193.75.125 ( talk) 17:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Just a note, the figures from Box Office Mojo for this film are not showing this weekends returns from Canadian theatres, where this film received a much expanded release.
Box Office Mojo shows the film opened last weekend in 10 theatres in Toronto, ON alone. I have no idea what the total number of Canadian theatres was, but a search shows at least one opening in pretty much every major Canadian city.
Canadian results usually are included in the domestic figures for films on Mojo. I confirmed that they are not going into the foreign results this time.
Anyway, someone may want to make a note in the article that not only are the Mojo figures still an estimate, but a very incomplete estimate including only the same four US theatres. Kid Bugs ( talk) 23:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I removed this note:
"A reference to Roberto Calvi, who was found hanging dead in 1982 under the same bridge."
as there is no proof for the claim. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 15:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I removed the phrase suggesting that the film is "being considered" for Academy Awards for picture, director, actor, etc. There was no citation, and the Oscar noms have not been announced yet (Jan 2010). Are there verifiable sources for these other awards (other than makeup)? I'm open to discussion. ¡ǝıʞʞǝɹʇ ʇuǝıɔuɐ ( talk) 22:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
The plot should contain the plot, not a summary of the whole movie. It would really ruin the movie for those who haven't already seen it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milo83 ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY object to the basic blow by blow account (in the most simplest, lowest common denominator terms) of what happens in this film as a presentation of the plot of this film for this article. And that it goes right through to the end. Plot accounts don't generally describe in a blow by blow fashion the last segment of a film. The current plot account operates significantly as a "spoiler" to those who haven't seen this film, and will leave cold and alienated those who have seen the film.
While the last commentator is right - this is an information source and not a movie review site - nobody suggested it was a movie review site. Because this specific information source is called an "Encyclopedia", which differs from other information sources. An encylopedia article is made up of general knowledge information so that someone who doesn't know the topic will have a good description of it. While the last commentator suggests that "revelaed secrets" is relevant to the potential "compendium of knowledge" for this film here, it seems he is getting mixed up. This is a general encyclopedia rather than a specialist encyclopedia. Encylopedia articles usually are general unless found in a specialist volume. The great thing about wikipedia is that, for those who are prepared to cope with the age old traditional context, the encyclopedia, specialist articles can be added separately to any main article. I have found that most people posting are aware that this site operates that way. If there are "revealed secrets" for this topic, they are best put in an article, perhaps entitled "secrets of [this film]", with a link put in this general encyclopedia article.
What this movie page is is an encyclopedia article. For those who did not grow up reading encyclopedias quite frequently, or haven't in some time, they really ought to go and read a number of encyclopedias for a good while. The smaller, one volume versions of 'Brittanica' can be found for around £6, for just getting to know the context. Encyclopedias are far from new, and Wikipedia is only one.
I've never seen a "plot description" given in such a way, outside of opera synopsae for people to read just before, while and just after they are experiencing the opera, which is often in a foreign language.
It does spoil the film. It does not at all tackle this film with any intelligence. This is one of the most intelligent films in terms of being thought provoking and having artistic themes that I can remember has been played to a biggish audience for a while. It takes an appreciation of this to give an account of the plot. Personally, I am not ready to do that just now. And anyway I would really appreciate if someone else could do it. If not, I will eventually, but that would be 2 months or so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lecochonbleu ( talk • contribs) 02:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Lecochonbleu ( talk) 02:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC) Lecochonbleu in Wikipedia.
Quoting previous commentator: "the plot summary -should- cover the main points of the film, and if that includes spoiler material, so be" it. The point of writing a plot description is to do so without giving elements of the plot away that will spoil the film. This much ought to be evident, it really should. It is a skill, and so that skill is bound up with what people actually expect in a plot description. While I do go some way down the road to agreeing that Wikipedia does allow more for commentary, and I guess is expected that way, it is still possible to sensitively write plot descriptions. OK, often Wikipedia film articles I've come across in their slight nod toward 'film appreciation' humanities examination style can be some way toward what the defending comments to blow by blow plots say, but not far. Plot description seldom is taken to mean the same thing as detailed full film synopsis. 86.12.232.33 ( talk) 02:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the passage mentioning Percy as a dwarf, because I can't find any reference supporting that theory. The character himself talks about dwarves using the third person. -- Marcus1979 ( talk) 14:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Percy is somewhat mystical as along with Dr. Parnassus, he did not age though the centuries. He mentions that without himself the good doctor would simply hire a dwarf, which indites they would resemble him in rough appearance only. Regardless if Percy is a dwarf, he does not consider himself one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.37.155 ( talk) 03:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I think he refers to himself as a midget, not a dwarf. Several times. Technically different. 2601:602:880:A3C0:D031:64ED:ECFD:37FA ( talk) 03:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
After the end credits, Tony's ringtone is heard playing many times. This seems to indicate he might still be alive, or at the very least someone is trying to contact him. Shouldn't this be mentioned? Many people miss it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.37.155 ( talk) 03:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it's there! Is that ringtone original or taken from an excisting phone company? I want it for my ringtone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.207.157 ( talk) 23:41, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to hear from other editors on whether it's appropriate to include a navbox for one actress who has a minor role in the film. I'm concerned that this might constitute undue weight, and it doesn't seem to improve the quality of the article in my opinion. Thanks. Doniago ( talk) 12:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
19-April-2011: I expanded the plot with some brief description of the "pastel-colored dream-world of giant high-heel shoes, bejeweled eggs and floating lily pads". If people cannot see the film, they need some of these details to understand events inside the mirror. Meanwhile, per WP:FILMPLOT, I condensed 125 simple words by shortening prepositional phrases, or leaving out obvious repetition of where people were located. More could be done; however, I think this film is a case where the plot should be more than 800 words. This film seems like a highly complex story which requires a long plot to sort through the events. There are 6 main characters, and 9 others to enter the Imaginarium, which itself takes a while to describe. More obvious phrases could be shortened, but I would add more about illogical events inside the mirror and the charity for multi-cultural children, as for what type of charity. Perhaps try to keep the Plot section within 1,000 words, which I left as 795 words. - Wikid77 08:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
I saw the film on TV yesterday, and I was sure the plot was somehow familiar, but couldn't really put my thumb on it. This wikipedia page did not mention any tale that this story was based on, or similar to. Navigating through the links I finally stumbled upon it: Dr Faust! 'A magical re-telling of the Faust story' says the ' Heath Ledger' page. This was exactly the info I was looking for in the first place, so I added it to the header of this page. Mljmeerman ( talk) 16:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Doniago, Could you put it at the correct place? I am not an editor, I was just looking for information that imho should have been there but wasn't. That is why I added it, after I finally found it in another page. Sorry to have put it in the wrong place. I don't know where it should go if not the header. Thanks, mljmeerman 95.149.147.18 ( talk) 11:42, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
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