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https://ejournals.epublishing.ekt.gr/index.php/historein/article/view/14627 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1524/9783486708332.241/html https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15595692.2016.1219847 https://dietz-verlag.de/downloads/leseproben/4238.pdf https://bibliothek.edition-romiosini.de/catalog/book/13 Die Überlebenden. Widerstand, Deportation, Rückkehr. Juden aus Thessaloniki in den 1940er Jahren free access Antoniou, G., S. Dordanas, N. Marantzidis, and N. Zaikos. 2011. To olokautoma sta Valkania [The Holocaust in the Balkans]. Thessaloniki: Epikentro. https://www.worldcat.org/title/opseis-hekato-eton-thessalonike-1912-2012-8-semeia-kampes-dialexeis/oclc/1029511835&referer=brief_results
Buidhe Your work here is looking good. I did want to remark, however... Personally, I would find it more accurate to say the Romaniote Jewish community. The (large) majority of Jews in Greece circa 1930 did not, however, belong to the Romaniote community. From the perspective of the different (sub-)Jewish identities, I'm not sure we can say there was ever a single "Greek Jewish community" (post 16th century that is, at least). There was the Romaniote community, and there was the Ladino-speaking Se(f/ph)ardic community which had closer ties to the Jews of Wallachia, Bulgaria, Bosnia et cetera. They had markedly different histories, different cultural outlooks (well of course there is some cross-fertilization... but still, you know what I mean) and indeed, different identities still in the early 20th century. -- Calthinus ( talk) 01:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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Created by Buidhe ( talk). Self-nominated at 04:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC).
I don't have access to the book in the article references, but it seems straightforward to me. The statistic (and the image) is certainly eye-catching and seems like a good hook.
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08:57, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
You might want to include a reference to the Holocaust Museum of Greece and the Athens Jewish Museum in the Legacy section. As far as the Greek Army surrender being due to an internal coup is concerned this claim contradicts the Battle of Greece article. The Epirus Army surrendered as it was outflanked and further resistance was futile. I have likewise read [1] that the Germans did not expect Georgios Tsolakoglou to so readily become a collaborator when they offered him the position of Prime Minister. So the premeditated coup theory does not make much sense.-- Catlemur ( talk) 20:30, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Various primary and secondary sources are cited but since you say this is a minority interpretation I will remove it. ( t · c) buidhe 20:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)The Greek government formed on April 26, 1941 following the German invasion was composed of mutinous generals, traitors who sought to reshape Greek politics... The generals combined a military coup with treason by surrendering to the Germans on April 20, 1941. These Greek officers rebelled against their own government, which was still in power and operating from the island of Crete , and unlawfully took power. For months previously, General Georgios Tsolakoglou and other officers had been secretly organizing a mutiny to take Greece out of the war.
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Thanks so much for taking this review! Just so you know my ultimate goal is FAC so if you see any areas that could be improved, feedback would be much appreciated. (
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Work has suddenly gotten fairly busy; hopefully I'll be able to get to this in a couple days. Hog Farm Talk 02:15, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Excellent work. I'd support this at FAC. Hog Farm Talk 03:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
References
It appears that my edits to the lead have caused controversy. My issue with the original lead,
The Holocaust in Greece was the mass murder of
Greek Jews
Is that it restates what the Holocaust was, which in my view is such common knowledge that the restatement is an insult to the reader's intelligence/experience. My edits trying to ameliorate the situation were met with resistance and an edit tussle resulted. To some points in the scuffle, I was not present during this article's FAC but would have insisted on the lead's wording being changed had I participated.
Thrakkx has unbolded the lead, in my opinion rightfully, but has kept the problematic "the Holocaust in Greece was the Holocaust, in Greece" wording. I'm open to changes to the opening wording other than what I have done.
– John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
It gives undue weight to the chosen title, implying that it is an official term, commonly accepted name, or the only acceptable title; in actuality, it is just a description and the event or topic is given many different names in common usage.Thrakkx ( talk) 18:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
The two maps are very disproportionately large (at least on my browser), crowding the side-text into a very thin paragraph, making them practically unreadable. I can't seem able to fix it. If someone else can fix it, it would be appreciated. Walrasiad ( talk) 16:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello all,
I wish to add a full article translation to the Greek language. I noticed, some Greek historic books avoid using the words "WW2, Nazis, Jews, Transportation to Labor and Death camps" .... instead the write about: "German occupation of Greece, no mentioning of Jews, just write - Greek ppl, and has no data about the Holocaust of the Greek Jewish ppl ..."
In order to eliminate 'Holocaust Denying Horrible trend' - I wish to get assistance to have this article translate to Greek, so young generation will know the Truth about the past, instead of distorted lies about what occured in Greece st that time.
Thank you for assistance with Wikipedia admin, translation via Google or other proper means 🙏
AS Drmedas ( talk) 06:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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https://ejournals.epublishing.ekt.gr/index.php/historein/article/view/14627 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1524/9783486708332.241/html https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15595692.2016.1219847 https://dietz-verlag.de/downloads/leseproben/4238.pdf https://bibliothek.edition-romiosini.de/catalog/book/13 Die Überlebenden. Widerstand, Deportation, Rückkehr. Juden aus Thessaloniki in den 1940er Jahren free access Antoniou, G., S. Dordanas, N. Marantzidis, and N. Zaikos. 2011. To olokautoma sta Valkania [The Holocaust in the Balkans]. Thessaloniki: Epikentro. https://www.worldcat.org/title/opseis-hekato-eton-thessalonike-1912-2012-8-semeia-kampes-dialexeis/oclc/1029511835&referer=brief_results
Buidhe Your work here is looking good. I did want to remark, however... Personally, I would find it more accurate to say the Romaniote Jewish community. The (large) majority of Jews in Greece circa 1930 did not, however, belong to the Romaniote community. From the perspective of the different (sub-)Jewish identities, I'm not sure we can say there was ever a single "Greek Jewish community" (post 16th century that is, at least). There was the Romaniote community, and there was the Ladino-speaking Se(f/ph)ardic community which had closer ties to the Jews of Wallachia, Bulgaria, Bosnia et cetera. They had markedly different histories, different cultural outlooks (well of course there is some cross-fertilization... but still, you know what I mean) and indeed, different identities still in the early 20th century. -- Calthinus ( talk) 01:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Desertarun (
talk)
21:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Created by Buidhe ( talk). Self-nominated at 04:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC).
I don't have access to the book in the article references, but it seems straightforward to me. The statistic (and the image) is certainly eye-catching and seems like a good hook.
Buffaboy
talk
08:57, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
You might want to include a reference to the Holocaust Museum of Greece and the Athens Jewish Museum in the Legacy section. As far as the Greek Army surrender being due to an internal coup is concerned this claim contradicts the Battle of Greece article. The Epirus Army surrendered as it was outflanked and further resistance was futile. I have likewise read [1] that the Germans did not expect Georgios Tsolakoglou to so readily become a collaborator when they offered him the position of Prime Minister. So the premeditated coup theory does not make much sense.-- Catlemur ( talk) 20:30, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Various primary and secondary sources are cited but since you say this is a minority interpretation I will remove it. ( t · c) buidhe 20:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)The Greek government formed on April 26, 1941 following the German invasion was composed of mutinous generals, traitors who sought to reshape Greek politics... The generals combined a military coup with treason by surrendering to the Germans on April 20, 1941. These Greek officers rebelled against their own government, which was still in power and operating from the island of Crete , and unlawfully took power. For months previously, General Georgios Tsolakoglou and other officers had been secretly organizing a mutiny to take Greece out of the war.
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Thanks so much for taking this review! Just so you know my ultimate goal is FAC so if you see any areas that could be improved, feedback would be much appreciated. (
t ·
c)
buidhe
08:40, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
Work has suddenly gotten fairly busy; hopefully I'll be able to get to this in a couple days. Hog Farm Talk 02:15, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Excellent work. I'd support this at FAC. Hog Farm Talk 03:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
References
It appears that my edits to the lead have caused controversy. My issue with the original lead,
The Holocaust in Greece was the mass murder of
Greek Jews
Is that it restates what the Holocaust was, which in my view is such common knowledge that the restatement is an insult to the reader's intelligence/experience. My edits trying to ameliorate the situation were met with resistance and an edit tussle resulted. To some points in the scuffle, I was not present during this article's FAC but would have insisted on the lead's wording being changed had I participated.
Thrakkx has unbolded the lead, in my opinion rightfully, but has kept the problematic "the Holocaust in Greece was the Holocaust, in Greece" wording. I'm open to changes to the opening wording other than what I have done.
– John M Wolfson ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
It gives undue weight to the chosen title, implying that it is an official term, commonly accepted name, or the only acceptable title; in actuality, it is just a description and the event or topic is given many different names in common usage.Thrakkx ( talk) 18:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
The two maps are very disproportionately large (at least on my browser), crowding the side-text into a very thin paragraph, making them practically unreadable. I can't seem able to fix it. If someone else can fix it, it would be appreciated. Walrasiad ( talk) 16:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello all,
I wish to add a full article translation to the Greek language. I noticed, some Greek historic books avoid using the words "WW2, Nazis, Jews, Transportation to Labor and Death camps" .... instead the write about: "German occupation of Greece, no mentioning of Jews, just write - Greek ppl, and has no data about the Holocaust of the Greek Jewish ppl ..."
In order to eliminate 'Holocaust Denying Horrible trend' - I wish to get assistance to have this article translate to Greek, so young generation will know the Truth about the past, instead of distorted lies about what occured in Greece st that time.
Thank you for assistance with Wikipedia admin, translation via Google or other proper means 🙏
AS Drmedas ( talk) 06:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC)