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uhhhhhhhhh pretty sure TLOU PTII won best audio design not doom eternal.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.132.201 ( talk) 01:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
"Similar to criticism over Death Stranding's predominance in the nominations and at the ceremony for the 2019 awards due to its creator's Hideo Kojima friendship with Keighley, a similar concern was raised by some viewers related to the success of The Last of Us Part II at the awards. The game itself had some polarizing reviews from critics, and was further the subject of review bombing from players dissatisfied with the game's narrative direction compared to the original game as well as being criticized for the use of "crunch time" by Naughty Dog to complete the game."
Why is any of this stuff being mentioned in this article? Like what does Hideo Kojima have to do with The Last of US Part II and The Game Awards? The Death Stranding controversy was over Geoff Keighly and Hideo Kojima's friendship possibly affecting the awards. There is no source indicating Geoff Keighly is friends with Neil Druckmann or has any relationship with Naughty Dog or any it's employees. The paragraph mentions the game being polarizing among critics when it currently sits at a 93 on metacritic indicating universal acclaim, and even if we go by Wikipedia's own article on the game it was only the narrative and the representation of a trans character that was polarizing to critics, while pretty much every other aspect of the game was from it's technical aspects to it's performances were universally acclaimed. 5 of the 7 awards the game won for example were technical and performance awards. The wording on this paragraph makes it seem like the entire game itself was polarizing to critics. The mention of review bombing and attributing it to only the narrative while ignoring the homophobia, transphobia and sexism that were also a significant and well reported part of the review bombing is also extremely disingenuous. This is epecially considering that The Game Awards is largely voted on by critics and has very little to do with players and the controversies surrounding them.
The mention of crunch also seems out of place since multiple games that have won awards in the past such as Red Dead Redemption 2 at The Game Awards don't have any mention of crunch in the articles covering the game awards of their respective years on wikipedia.
/info/en/?search=The_Game_Awards_2018
Overall the whole paragraph seems like a mean spirited attempt at trying to frame the awards the game has won as being rigged or undeserved. Like since when does wikipedia use the words of conspiracy theorists as a source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMassEffector ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
“The mention of crunch also seems out of place since multiple games that have won awards in the past such as Red Dead Redemption 2 at The Game Awards don't have any mention of crunch in the articles covering [The Game Awards] of their respective years on [Wikipedia].“
I’d imagine this is due to the The Last of Us Part 2’s considerably large amount of controversy, which is unique for a GotY title at The Game Awards. What players would not pay attention to in the slightest in the case of other winners (or other nominees, in the case of crunch Hades is a notable standout due to Supergiant’s anti-crunch routines) is instead used as reasoning as to why it doesn’t deserve GotY or other awards it was nominated for. It should be noted that The Last of Us Part 2 is in a unique position with the gaming community thanks to a) It being a sequel to a beloved game, b) It being a first-party exclusive for the PlayStation 4, c) It’s mixed fan reception and d) It’s phenomenal performance at The Game Awards this year, so a unique mention of crunch isn’t out of place. As a side note, I agree with what Masem said in the above replies. UGM9 ( talk) 03:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
"It received a mixed reception from media publications, with praise directed at new game announcements, though some critics and viewers shared concerns over the success of The Last of Us Part II due to its polarizing narrative and developer's use of "crunch time"."
This sentence implies that the shows mixed reception is solely due to the success of The Last of Us Part II and the awards it won at the show, even though the sourcing below mentions that the mixed reception was due to a multitude of factors including not allowing more time for the developers to speak and discuss their artistic visions behind the games, Doom Eternal being nominated for Game of the Year despite being "messy, unfocused, and, well, just not as good" as its predecessor and the only mention of The Last of Us Part II being from a Kotaku article criticizing it's Best Game Direction Win because of it's crunch time practices.
/info/en/?search=The_Game_Awards_2020#Ratings_and_reception
Furthermore it says the ceremony received mixed reception from media publications, and yet goes on to mention the concerns of both critics and viewers, last time I checked viewers are not part of the media.
Not only is this whole sentence poorly written but makes implications that this page itself disproves further down. Either reword the sentence or remove it entirely, besides adding a line about the shows reception to the main paragraph (making it more bloated) seems pointless anyway when it's already mentioned in the Ratings and reception section and in much more detail. Also side note, I find it super disingenuous that this years ceremony (The year TLOUII was nominated) is the only one where reception is even mentioned, while none of the wikipedia pages on the previous years The Game Awards ceremonies mention it. It's almost like there are certain biased people with an agenda trying to discredit and tarnish the game and it's wins. TheMassEffector ( talk) 17:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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uhhhhhhhhh pretty sure TLOU PTII won best audio design not doom eternal.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.132.201 ( talk) 01:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
"Similar to criticism over Death Stranding's predominance in the nominations and at the ceremony for the 2019 awards due to its creator's Hideo Kojima friendship with Keighley, a similar concern was raised by some viewers related to the success of The Last of Us Part II at the awards. The game itself had some polarizing reviews from critics, and was further the subject of review bombing from players dissatisfied with the game's narrative direction compared to the original game as well as being criticized for the use of "crunch time" by Naughty Dog to complete the game."
Why is any of this stuff being mentioned in this article? Like what does Hideo Kojima have to do with The Last of US Part II and The Game Awards? The Death Stranding controversy was over Geoff Keighly and Hideo Kojima's friendship possibly affecting the awards. There is no source indicating Geoff Keighly is friends with Neil Druckmann or has any relationship with Naughty Dog or any it's employees. The paragraph mentions the game being polarizing among critics when it currently sits at a 93 on metacritic indicating universal acclaim, and even if we go by Wikipedia's own article on the game it was only the narrative and the representation of a trans character that was polarizing to critics, while pretty much every other aspect of the game was from it's technical aspects to it's performances were universally acclaimed. 5 of the 7 awards the game won for example were technical and performance awards. The wording on this paragraph makes it seem like the entire game itself was polarizing to critics. The mention of review bombing and attributing it to only the narrative while ignoring the homophobia, transphobia and sexism that were also a significant and well reported part of the review bombing is also extremely disingenuous. This is epecially considering that The Game Awards is largely voted on by critics and has very little to do with players and the controversies surrounding them.
The mention of crunch also seems out of place since multiple games that have won awards in the past such as Red Dead Redemption 2 at The Game Awards don't have any mention of crunch in the articles covering the game awards of their respective years on wikipedia.
/info/en/?search=The_Game_Awards_2018
Overall the whole paragraph seems like a mean spirited attempt at trying to frame the awards the game has won as being rigged or undeserved. Like since when does wikipedia use the words of conspiracy theorists as a source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMassEffector ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
“The mention of crunch also seems out of place since multiple games that have won awards in the past such as Red Dead Redemption 2 at The Game Awards don't have any mention of crunch in the articles covering [The Game Awards] of their respective years on [Wikipedia].“
I’d imagine this is due to the The Last of Us Part 2’s considerably large amount of controversy, which is unique for a GotY title at The Game Awards. What players would not pay attention to in the slightest in the case of other winners (or other nominees, in the case of crunch Hades is a notable standout due to Supergiant’s anti-crunch routines) is instead used as reasoning as to why it doesn’t deserve GotY or other awards it was nominated for. It should be noted that The Last of Us Part 2 is in a unique position with the gaming community thanks to a) It being a sequel to a beloved game, b) It being a first-party exclusive for the PlayStation 4, c) It’s mixed fan reception and d) It’s phenomenal performance at The Game Awards this year, so a unique mention of crunch isn’t out of place. As a side note, I agree with what Masem said in the above replies. UGM9 ( talk) 03:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
"It received a mixed reception from media publications, with praise directed at new game announcements, though some critics and viewers shared concerns over the success of The Last of Us Part II due to its polarizing narrative and developer's use of "crunch time"."
This sentence implies that the shows mixed reception is solely due to the success of The Last of Us Part II and the awards it won at the show, even though the sourcing below mentions that the mixed reception was due to a multitude of factors including not allowing more time for the developers to speak and discuss their artistic visions behind the games, Doom Eternal being nominated for Game of the Year despite being "messy, unfocused, and, well, just not as good" as its predecessor and the only mention of The Last of Us Part II being from a Kotaku article criticizing it's Best Game Direction Win because of it's crunch time practices.
/info/en/?search=The_Game_Awards_2020#Ratings_and_reception
Furthermore it says the ceremony received mixed reception from media publications, and yet goes on to mention the concerns of both critics and viewers, last time I checked viewers are not part of the media.
Not only is this whole sentence poorly written but makes implications that this page itself disproves further down. Either reword the sentence or remove it entirely, besides adding a line about the shows reception to the main paragraph (making it more bloated) seems pointless anyway when it's already mentioned in the Ratings and reception section and in much more detail. Also side note, I find it super disingenuous that this years ceremony (The year TLOUII was nominated) is the only one where reception is even mentioned, while none of the wikipedia pages on the previous years The Game Awards ceremonies mention it. It's almost like there are certain biased people with an agenda trying to discredit and tarnish the game and it's wins. TheMassEffector ( talk) 17:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)