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The title of the film is "Der ewige Jude", not "Der Ewige Jude".
Is someone a fan of Gustave Doré? However, the word "ewig" and all of its forms quite unambiguously mean "eternal". Other translations / synonyms any you can find on dict.leo.org or in a Thesaurus are e.g. deathless, everlasting, forever, imperishably, perennial, perpetual. Clearly not "wandering". This should be deleted. 87.78.149.190 11:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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I don't see why the Germans would have had to be warned of a population that had such limited rights of travel - putting it euphemistically. Also the focus of the movie is clearly not the jews in occupied countries, but Jewish cultural influence, prominent jews, rich jews and travelling businessmen. - Ados 01:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
what does "jewry" even mean, i dont understand. can it be explained in the article as it is used so much.
The article says this: "Many things that run contrary to Nazi doctrine are associated with Jewish influence, such as modern art, (cultural) relativism, anarchic and socialist movements, as well as sexual liberation."
The Nazi party was the German socialist workers party. Why would the Nazis put socialism as a bad thing when they are self-proclaimed socialists?
They were the National Socialist party, which is totaly different, Nationalism and Socialism are in fact totaly imcompatable, as Socialism is internationalist.
Actual socialism, as in Marxism was in fact the biggest enemy of the nazis, from the start their, prime objective being to defeat the German Communist party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.30.174 ( talk) 17:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand that, but my problem is that Hitler was really for a type of socialism. Not Marxism or communism (who were victims of his.) Wouldn't it be more accurate to change that to Marxist movements or Communist movements? Socialism is a pretty broad brush, and Hitler was specifically against communism. Some aspects of socialism he found to be great stuff. DeviantCharles ( talk) 10:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm deeply worried on the way this article has been worded, particularly in the plotsection. I don't know how useful it would be to explain the whole plot bit bit for an encyclopedia article. Other articles in Wikipedia doesn't follow this format.
The way this section is worded, it is simply echoing the propaganda of the movie. It should at least explain the fallacies within some arguments (e.g.: anedoctal numbers linking judaism to criminality) but this section should nevertheless be shortened as it is not very encyclopedic.
I am not suggesting some sort of censorship about the nature of the movie in question, but I think that a link to a copy of the video on Youtube or some similar site would be better and more compatible with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- Pinnecco ( talk) 01:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I've seen the film only in a version originally released by the US (perhaps the War Dept.) that was abbreviated and that English narration. Perhaps this should be mentioned, although I can't locate a citation to this version.
More importantly, the film actually contains a lot of interesting documentary evidence of Jewish practices, such as the scene of praying in the synagogue (which doesn't look or sound as if it were staged). As awful as the film is, perhaps someone could gently mention this aspect of the film. -- kosboot ( talk) 19:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The film portrays the Torah, the five books of Moses, as containing the central belief of the Jews, and shows them reading the Torah in the Synagogue, subtitled with "quotations" from some of the "books". Apparently, only a trained eye can realize that the quotations were made-up verses from made-up books - and not actual quotations from the five books of the Jewish Torah - (i.e. not from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) Jimhoward72 ( talk) 17:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
This article does not make it clear as to who viewed this movie, or how widely it was viewed in Nazi Germany. Did it have a great impact on German sentiment, or little impact? To what extent did it serve to influence anti-Semitism and the Holocaust? Jimhoward72 ( talk) 23:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
It's impact wasn't that great, the movie was pretty unpopular. See The War that Hitler Won. Jud Suss was much more influential but hasn't lasted as well in popular memory. 86.26.16.242 ( talk) 02:53, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 19:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
By some oversight, this article doesn't mention anything about Yiddish. Yiddish is relevant to this movie in two ways. First, while the article says the movie is a German language movie, the actual footage of Jews talking, and some of the scenes from the Jewish movies (the Purim scene, for example - it was from a Yiddish movie made in Poland), are in Yiddish. Second, Yiddish is mentioned specifically in the movie, as being part of an underground criminal language which Jews use and spread (see Rotwelsch, for related). Jimhoward72 ( talk) 15:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Why is Henry Ford listed in the See Also section? He is not mentioned in the article, nor is this film mentioned on the page about Henry Ford. 118.209.95.113 ( talk) 10:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
WARNING: Those sites would be forbidden if they were on a German Server (Volksverhetzung). The material there is presented in a fascistic context. It would be nice if the author could mention that somehow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:9240:9A8:D83F:F505:5944:984E ( talk) 16:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if this is a chicken or the egg argument, but this article currently states:
Charlie Chaplin was also included in this sequence and inaccurately identified as Jewish, possibly as a consequence of his role as the Jewish barber in The Great Dictator.
Whereas, over at the Charlie Chaplin article, they claim:
The Nazi Party believed that [Chaplin] was Jewish and banned The Gold Rush on this basis. Chaplin responded by playing a Jew in The Great Dictator and announced, "I did this film for the Jews of the world."
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Compare yourselves Chrome and fx FF. Or is this intentional? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.109.99.104 ( talk) 14:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
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If you mention of the producer of this film The Eternal Jew (Der Ewige Jude), was released by Deutsche Filmherstellungs- und Verwertungs GmbH (DFG) for the Nazi Party, but not Deutsche Film Gesellschaft. -- 122.2.98.48 ( talk) 04:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Production company: Deutsche Film Gesellschaft → Deutsche Filmherstellungs- und Verwertungs GmbH (DFG) the correct film distributor, but within a single source: [1] 122.2.10.69 ( talk) 00:06, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
"and it can only be screened in a censored version with annotations." should have a source cited. Dapperedavid ( talk) 18:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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In the beginning change: "The Eternal Jew is a 1940 antisemitic" to "The Eternal Jew is a 1940 German antisemitic".
As is custom with other film articles, the nation of the film should be shown here. Millscrepe ( talk) 12:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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The title of the film is "Der ewige Jude", not "Der Ewige Jude".
Is someone a fan of Gustave Doré? However, the word "ewig" and all of its forms quite unambiguously mean "eternal". Other translations / synonyms any you can find on dict.leo.org or in a Thesaurus are e.g. deathless, everlasting, forever, imperishably, perennial, perpetual. Clearly not "wandering". This should be deleted. 87.78.149.190 11:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following text from the article:
I don't see why the Germans would have had to be warned of a population that had such limited rights of travel - putting it euphemistically. Also the focus of the movie is clearly not the jews in occupied countries, but Jewish cultural influence, prominent jews, rich jews and travelling businessmen. - Ados 01:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
what does "jewry" even mean, i dont understand. can it be explained in the article as it is used so much.
The article says this: "Many things that run contrary to Nazi doctrine are associated with Jewish influence, such as modern art, (cultural) relativism, anarchic and socialist movements, as well as sexual liberation."
The Nazi party was the German socialist workers party. Why would the Nazis put socialism as a bad thing when they are self-proclaimed socialists?
They were the National Socialist party, which is totaly different, Nationalism and Socialism are in fact totaly imcompatable, as Socialism is internationalist.
Actual socialism, as in Marxism was in fact the biggest enemy of the nazis, from the start their, prime objective being to defeat the German Communist party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.30.174 ( talk) 17:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand that, but my problem is that Hitler was really for a type of socialism. Not Marxism or communism (who were victims of his.) Wouldn't it be more accurate to change that to Marxist movements or Communist movements? Socialism is a pretty broad brush, and Hitler was specifically against communism. Some aspects of socialism he found to be great stuff. DeviantCharles ( talk) 10:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm deeply worried on the way this article has been worded, particularly in the plotsection. I don't know how useful it would be to explain the whole plot bit bit for an encyclopedia article. Other articles in Wikipedia doesn't follow this format.
The way this section is worded, it is simply echoing the propaganda of the movie. It should at least explain the fallacies within some arguments (e.g.: anedoctal numbers linking judaism to criminality) but this section should nevertheless be shortened as it is not very encyclopedic.
I am not suggesting some sort of censorship about the nature of the movie in question, but I think that a link to a copy of the video on Youtube or some similar site would be better and more compatible with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -- Pinnecco ( talk) 01:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I've seen the film only in a version originally released by the US (perhaps the War Dept.) that was abbreviated and that English narration. Perhaps this should be mentioned, although I can't locate a citation to this version.
More importantly, the film actually contains a lot of interesting documentary evidence of Jewish practices, such as the scene of praying in the synagogue (which doesn't look or sound as if it were staged). As awful as the film is, perhaps someone could gently mention this aspect of the film. -- kosboot ( talk) 19:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The film portrays the Torah, the five books of Moses, as containing the central belief of the Jews, and shows them reading the Torah in the Synagogue, subtitled with "quotations" from some of the "books". Apparently, only a trained eye can realize that the quotations were made-up verses from made-up books - and not actual quotations from the five books of the Jewish Torah - (i.e. not from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) Jimhoward72 ( talk) 17:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
This article does not make it clear as to who viewed this movie, or how widely it was viewed in Nazi Germany. Did it have a great impact on German sentiment, or little impact? To what extent did it serve to influence anti-Semitism and the Holocaust? Jimhoward72 ( talk) 23:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
It's impact wasn't that great, the movie was pretty unpopular. See The War that Hitler Won. Jud Suss was much more influential but hasn't lasted as well in popular memory. 86.26.16.242 ( talk) 02:53, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
-- Pseudo-Richard ( talk) 19:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
By some oversight, this article doesn't mention anything about Yiddish. Yiddish is relevant to this movie in two ways. First, while the article says the movie is a German language movie, the actual footage of Jews talking, and some of the scenes from the Jewish movies (the Purim scene, for example - it was from a Yiddish movie made in Poland), are in Yiddish. Second, Yiddish is mentioned specifically in the movie, as being part of an underground criminal language which Jews use and spread (see Rotwelsch, for related). Jimhoward72 ( talk) 15:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Why is Henry Ford listed in the See Also section? He is not mentioned in the article, nor is this film mentioned on the page about Henry Ford. 118.209.95.113 ( talk) 10:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
WARNING: Those sites would be forbidden if they were on a German Server (Volksverhetzung). The material there is presented in a fascistic context. It would be nice if the author could mention that somehow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:9240:9A8:D83F:F505:5944:984E ( talk) 16:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if this is a chicken or the egg argument, but this article currently states:
Charlie Chaplin was also included in this sequence and inaccurately identified as Jewish, possibly as a consequence of his role as the Jewish barber in The Great Dictator.
Whereas, over at the Charlie Chaplin article, they claim:
The Nazi Party believed that [Chaplin] was Jewish and banned The Gold Rush on this basis. Chaplin responded by playing a Jew in The Great Dictator and announced, "I did this film for the Jews of the world."
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Compare yourselves Chrome and fx FF. Or is this intentional? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.109.99.104 ( talk) 14:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. If anyone believes this film is the primary topic for The Eternal Jew, they should open a new RM and make their case there. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 19:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The Eternal Jew (1940 film) →
The Eternal Jew (film) – There are no other film title exists within The Eternal Jew and The Wandering Jew. But instead of both film titles like
The Eternal Jew (then redirects to
The Wandering Jew), and
1923 version as the same name.
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talk) 02:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
If you mention of the producer of this film The Eternal Jew (Der Ewige Jude), was released by Deutsche Filmherstellungs- und Verwertungs GmbH (DFG) for the Nazi Party, but not Deutsche Film Gesellschaft. -- 122.2.98.48 ( talk) 04:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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In the beginning change: "The Eternal Jew is a 1940 antisemitic" to "The Eternal Jew is a 1940 German antisemitic".
As is custom with other film articles, the nation of the film should be shown here. Millscrepe ( talk) 12:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
An RfC of possible interest to the editors of this article can be found here.
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