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Netflix top ten, The Closer at #3. [1] -- 109.79.170.230 ( talk) 17:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Two things happened. Those two things were separate. One was not "Despite" the other.
I'm sure this article will change substantially as as more reviews from actual critics come in. I think it might be better not to include the WP:USERGENERATED audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes at all. Exceptions can be made for Audience scores but I do not yet see a reason to make that exception here. -- 109.79.170.230 ( talk) 18:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The statement from GLAAD was shortened by an editor who said it was WP:UNDUE. [3] I hope someone can explain that a bit more. I didn't add the link in the first place but I did expand that text [4] because I thought it was important not just to say in general that they criticized the show but to include something more specific about their criticism. Also I thought it was better to give weight to comments from a representative organization like GLAAD rather than (or at least before) highlighting comments from individuals on Twitter. I still think it would be better to put more emphasis on the statements from GLAAD rather than specific individuals but I thought it would be better to discuss before restoring or rephrasing that text. -- 109.78.202.198 ( talk) 22:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Again my point was to highlight a representative group, not to agree with the criticism. If there are issues of
WP:UNDUE emphasis, I would give less weight to the comments from individuals, and I would not highlight the opinion of a TV writer (who to be clear had already left Netflix for Peacock
[6]) or a Netflix employee. Details from specific people is more relatable and good enough for the short term outrage cycle of the news media, but a representative organization such as GLAAD is more appropriate and serious for an encyclopedia article, and hopefully more meaningful in the long term and we can do better.
Someone also expanded the
NBJC statement
[7] but it might be better to highlight a different part of their statement. Deadline included more of the NBJC statement than Variety
[8]
and they make a point the deaths of many Black transgender people, which I might have highlighted if I'd thought of a better way to rephrase it. (The NBJC call to ban the special although is only a small step from
book burning which I abhor and it is the wrong opinion, I would only have included if I was trying to highlight how stupid it is. It might be
fairer not to highlight their censorious opinion at all.)
I had intended to highlight the troubling Anti-Semitism in the special ("Space Jews") and that is part of why I included the review from NPR, but ultimately I used it to make the broader point about oppression in general.
[9] There doesn't seem to have been significant comment on Anti-Semitism yet, although groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League might comment later.
Thanks to you all for your efforts to improve the article and maintain a balance. I appreciate that people are willing to talk it though and keep making adjustments. It's a good start and hopefully the article will keep getting better. -- 109.78.196.169 ( talk) 15:01, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
all of these pieces is at the end of the day news media not understanding the premise of comedy.We don't get to judge that. There is enough coverage by reliable sources that it is due to represent those points of view. Isabelle 🔔 19:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
While I appreciate the intent behind trying to condense the section [10] I think it was better to have quotes that showed what the representative organisations said, rather than only mentioning their call for censorship. I'd like to restore that first paragraph of the section back to what it was before, because I thought we'd discussed above already why it was there. (If you're looking for more ways to shorten the section I'd be happy to see the "If this is what being canceled is" quote go away, or at least merge the two responses from Chappelle into a single paragraph.) -- 109.77.207.91 ( talk) 01:59, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
CaffeinAddict removed the quotes again. [11] I understand the need for brevity but sometimes the flow of coherent paragraphs is better than short pithy bursts that seem more like a list of bullet points. I still think it would be better to keep the quotes from representative groups like GLAAD and the NBJC rather than individuals as they provide a useful overview. Also that the specific quotes included speak to not only "what" they were demanding (that it be removed) but also "why" (they believe speech increases violence). But I'm not going to try and add it back this time, I'd edit something else instead. -- 109.78.208.59 ( talk) 03:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what you mean by I think almost all of the quotes, for the most part can summarize what is happening.
Could you please explain me? As a reminder, my issue with the edit was not simply for the removal of the quotes, but the fact they were not replaced by summaries, meaning context was removed from certain sections.
Isabelle
🔔
13:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Many other movie titles have audience scores provided, however it appears that given the political nature of Chapelle's message, it is inconvenient to allow it here. Only movie critics (with a specific set of political ideals) are permitted to provide sound opinions on movies. We do not want positive scores on this movie title because we are trying as hard as we can to make this comedy special appear as unpopular as possible, thereby causing viewers to avoid it due to certain socio-political messages contained within that we do not approve of. We will continue to apply this bias and double-standard to as many titles as we can that do not adhere to dogma that we believe should dictate the lives of our readers. We realize that this deep, inherent bias is what causes wikipedia to be disregarded as a credible reference in any academic setting, but we have prioritized this political bias over truth, and will continue to do so. We will do our best to eschew an approved underlying message over facts and transparency. Wikipedia allows anyone to edit, but only a special few have been granted special privilege (as dictated by political beliefs) to be the end-all goal keepers of "wikitruth", thus lulling readers into a false sense of power to edit these pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.86.84.91 ( talk) 17:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm pleasantly surprised, I thought it would need stronger sources to support the exception but the Rotten Tomatoes Audience score has survived in the article this long. It is a good sign but no guarantee that severe editors will not get around to it eventually, or that it will pass quality review. -- 109.78.199.44 ( talk) 05:13, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the statement about Daphne's online harassment for supporting Dave? There appears to little evidence to back up this statement. In fact, the response to her defense of Dave prior to her death seemed to be largely neutral to positive. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by WooHead ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
References
Is the Jaclyn Moore story even notable? The show she works for on Netflix had it's series finale on Netflix on September 22, 2021. Saying she's "quitting" Netflix is a misdirection - she no longer had a job there anyway. If the person was notable enough to have their own page maybe it'd warrant inclusion in the article, but it doesn't seem to fit. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 16:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Chappelle misgenders several trans women and calls one trans girl a " dude". Netflix is under pressure to pull Dave Chapelle’s offensive anti-trans “comedy” amid mounting condemnation from GLAAD, the National Black Justice Coalition and Dear White People’s Jaclyn Moore.
-- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 18:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
A transcript was added to the External links section, but it was reverted with an edit summary saying it was "not needed". [16] A reference to the transcript was removed from the plot section with an edit summary saying "it's likely copyvio" [17]. ( WP:COPYVIO) I'd like to get a clearer answer than "likely", how can we know if it is a copyright violation or not? Copyrights on jokes and comedy is complicated (see Joke theft and also consider Performing rights). Also I've seen film articles before that had links to the script in the External links section. Wikipedia Song articles frequently link to lyrics pages. I checked WP:MOSFILM and I don't see anything on it either way. (I was also under the impression that subtitles [18] were not a copyright violation and they are not even as simple as a transcript.)
WP:EL I seems to me like we could include a link to a full transcript in the External links section if that is something we wanted. Do we want to include a link to a full transcript? -- 109.77.194.24 ( talk) 02:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Both positive and negative reactions need to be included.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/dear-white-people-jaclyn-moore-dave-chappelle-netflix-1235083197/ Jaclyn Moore got deleted
Stand-up comedian Robin Tran got deleted
Actress Hannah Gadsby negative comments don't matter.
Mainstream actor Channing Tatum's disapproval doesn't matter.
All of the above were removed by the article creator! Very funny and amusing.-- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 02:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
The summary section of this article needs copyediting to establish an encyclopedic tone. It also does not accurately reflect the script I’ve read online. Namely, important content in the script is missing. The summary omits the bit about Dave watching television during his COVID-19 convalescence, which has the punchline that his body is fighting “foreign invaders” like the Black Americans he observes attacking Asian Americans on news reports. It is also missing the entire “Space Jew” section, and it does not elaborate on Dave’s arguments that LGBTQ people have more privilege than Black people. (A major theme, if not the major theme, seems to be that a secret group of LGBTQ and Jewish elites are oppressing Blacks in the United States.) The “big line” of the piece, about how “empathy is bisexual” because it has to “go both ways” (paraphrasing here) should also be included. Please let an experienced editor copyedit this for you. RandomFrequentFlyerDent ( talk) 08:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
I have made a related RfC on the reliability of the The Verge on social issues here for anyone that's interested: [23] CaffeinAddict ( talk) 17:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to open up commentary on what is the important parts of the section and what is WP:UNDUE. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 17:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
the only benefit here is it actually gives trans comedians a voice which is in essence the people who should actually be commenting on this subject. None of them are notable people however. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 03:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Craig Jenkins of Vulture.com gave it a mixed review, and wrote: "how much you enjoy The Closer will depend on whether you're able or willing to believe the comic and the human are separate entities and to buy that the human loves us all, and the comic is only performing spitefulness for his audience."
Can we replace this replace this with something more direct that actually espouses an opinion rather than pseudo-intellectual garbage? 199.120.30.203 ( talk) 00:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Instead of deleting so many of the reactions, how about creating 1 section for positive reactions and 1 section for negative reactions? We can list them all.
Caitlyn Jenner Defends Dave Chappelle Against ‘Woke Cancel Culture Run Amok’
-- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 19:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Other Wiki articles have a single section for criticism and response, but here the "response" is peppered into other sections. We could solve many of the issues discussed in "Critism [sic] and GLAAD Response" by reformatting along those lines. Post criticism first, then Sarandos's and Chappelle's responses when appropriate.
Most, if not all, the negative criticism of The Closer focuses on his Trans movement commentary. We'd break NPOV if we put all these critics in "Jokes about the Trans Community" and left only positive criticism in "Critical Reception," but we're currently breaking NPOV by double-counting negative criticism of his Trans movement commentary. We should change the "Jokes" heading to something more abstract like "Public Response" and make the current heading a subheading. These changes would clarify whether further additions belong in "Jokes" or "Critical Reception & Response." 24.217.32.13 ( talk) 03:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
There is no evidence that Daphne Dorman "experienced online harassment from the trans community", despite the page presenting such assertions as fact. This article is a good breakdown of the lack of evidence: https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends
I believe it to be important that the page should clarify that the relevant statement is unsubstantiated, as it would mislead readers otherwise. Condenser Coil 20:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
User:CaffeinAddict, your edits are way out of line with neutrality guidelines. More than 20-30 times, I estimate, you have removed sourced statements from the article from more than 20 different editors. These editors aren't me.
I understand comedy. Chappelle repeatedly says, "I'm transphobic" in this comedy special. If an ugly man or woman with facial deformities tried to hug me, I would never push her off. This is what Chapelle did and owns up to. It's what he did. He hasn't come back & stated that part was a joke. His pushing off of the t girl wasn't funny like the joke, "I knew your father… [audience laughs] …and he was a wonderful woman" (just a couple of examples).
Chapelle :"she grabbed me real tight, hugged me, squeezed me. And I pushed her off violently, ’cause I’m transphobic. I said “Boundaries, bitch!” https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/
I won't waste my time edit warring with you. If you were on Chapelle's PR team, you wouldn't be editing tendentiously to this extent. OutPoping the Pope! -- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 01:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
A recent AFD resulted in a 'Merge to The Closer'. At the moment there is content about Daphne in several locations on this page, and that already covers perhaps 70% of the content to be merged in. What to do with the rest? Options include:
Chumpih t 02:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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Netflix top ten, The Closer at #3. [1] -- 109.79.170.230 ( talk) 17:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Two things happened. Those two things were separate. One was not "Despite" the other.
I'm sure this article will change substantially as as more reviews from actual critics come in. I think it might be better not to include the WP:USERGENERATED audience scores from Rotten Tomatoes at all. Exceptions can be made for Audience scores but I do not yet see a reason to make that exception here. -- 109.79.170.230 ( talk) 18:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
The statement from GLAAD was shortened by an editor who said it was WP:UNDUE. [3] I hope someone can explain that a bit more. I didn't add the link in the first place but I did expand that text [4] because I thought it was important not just to say in general that they criticized the show but to include something more specific about their criticism. Also I thought it was better to give weight to comments from a representative organization like GLAAD rather than (or at least before) highlighting comments from individuals on Twitter. I still think it would be better to put more emphasis on the statements from GLAAD rather than specific individuals but I thought it would be better to discuss before restoring or rephrasing that text. -- 109.78.202.198 ( talk) 22:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Again my point was to highlight a representative group, not to agree with the criticism. If there are issues of
WP:UNDUE emphasis, I would give less weight to the comments from individuals, and I would not highlight the opinion of a TV writer (who to be clear had already left Netflix for Peacock
[6]) or a Netflix employee. Details from specific people is more relatable and good enough for the short term outrage cycle of the news media, but a representative organization such as GLAAD is more appropriate and serious for an encyclopedia article, and hopefully more meaningful in the long term and we can do better.
Someone also expanded the
NBJC statement
[7] but it might be better to highlight a different part of their statement. Deadline included more of the NBJC statement than Variety
[8]
and they make a point the deaths of many Black transgender people, which I might have highlighted if I'd thought of a better way to rephrase it. (The NBJC call to ban the special although is only a small step from
book burning which I abhor and it is the wrong opinion, I would only have included if I was trying to highlight how stupid it is. It might be
fairer not to highlight their censorious opinion at all.)
I had intended to highlight the troubling Anti-Semitism in the special ("Space Jews") and that is part of why I included the review from NPR, but ultimately I used it to make the broader point about oppression in general.
[9] There doesn't seem to have been significant comment on Anti-Semitism yet, although groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League might comment later.
Thanks to you all for your efforts to improve the article and maintain a balance. I appreciate that people are willing to talk it though and keep making adjustments. It's a good start and hopefully the article will keep getting better. -- 109.78.196.169 ( talk) 15:01, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
all of these pieces is at the end of the day news media not understanding the premise of comedy.We don't get to judge that. There is enough coverage by reliable sources that it is due to represent those points of view. Isabelle 🔔 19:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
While I appreciate the intent behind trying to condense the section [10] I think it was better to have quotes that showed what the representative organisations said, rather than only mentioning their call for censorship. I'd like to restore that first paragraph of the section back to what it was before, because I thought we'd discussed above already why it was there. (If you're looking for more ways to shorten the section I'd be happy to see the "If this is what being canceled is" quote go away, or at least merge the two responses from Chappelle into a single paragraph.) -- 109.77.207.91 ( talk) 01:59, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
CaffeinAddict removed the quotes again. [11] I understand the need for brevity but sometimes the flow of coherent paragraphs is better than short pithy bursts that seem more like a list of bullet points. I still think it would be better to keep the quotes from representative groups like GLAAD and the NBJC rather than individuals as they provide a useful overview. Also that the specific quotes included speak to not only "what" they were demanding (that it be removed) but also "why" (they believe speech increases violence). But I'm not going to try and add it back this time, I'd edit something else instead. -- 109.78.208.59 ( talk) 03:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what you mean by I think almost all of the quotes, for the most part can summarize what is happening.
Could you please explain me? As a reminder, my issue with the edit was not simply for the removal of the quotes, but the fact they were not replaced by summaries, meaning context was removed from certain sections.
Isabelle
🔔
13:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Many other movie titles have audience scores provided, however it appears that given the political nature of Chapelle's message, it is inconvenient to allow it here. Only movie critics (with a specific set of political ideals) are permitted to provide sound opinions on movies. We do not want positive scores on this movie title because we are trying as hard as we can to make this comedy special appear as unpopular as possible, thereby causing viewers to avoid it due to certain socio-political messages contained within that we do not approve of. We will continue to apply this bias and double-standard to as many titles as we can that do not adhere to dogma that we believe should dictate the lives of our readers. We realize that this deep, inherent bias is what causes wikipedia to be disregarded as a credible reference in any academic setting, but we have prioritized this political bias over truth, and will continue to do so. We will do our best to eschew an approved underlying message over facts and transparency. Wikipedia allows anyone to edit, but only a special few have been granted special privilege (as dictated by political beliefs) to be the end-all goal keepers of "wikitruth", thus lulling readers into a false sense of power to edit these pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.86.84.91 ( talk) 17:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm pleasantly surprised, I thought it would need stronger sources to support the exception but the Rotten Tomatoes Audience score has survived in the article this long. It is a good sign but no guarantee that severe editors will not get around to it eventually, or that it will pass quality review. -- 109.78.199.44 ( talk) 05:13, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the statement about Daphne's online harassment for supporting Dave? There appears to little evidence to back up this statement. In fact, the response to her defense of Dave prior to her death seemed to be largely neutral to positive. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by WooHead ( talk • contribs) 06:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
References
Is the Jaclyn Moore story even notable? The show she works for on Netflix had it's series finale on Netflix on September 22, 2021. Saying she's "quitting" Netflix is a misdirection - she no longer had a job there anyway. If the person was notable enough to have their own page maybe it'd warrant inclusion in the article, but it doesn't seem to fit. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 16:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Chappelle misgenders several trans women and calls one trans girl a " dude". Netflix is under pressure to pull Dave Chapelle’s offensive anti-trans “comedy” amid mounting condemnation from GLAAD, the National Black Justice Coalition and Dear White People’s Jaclyn Moore.
-- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 18:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
A transcript was added to the External links section, but it was reverted with an edit summary saying it was "not needed". [16] A reference to the transcript was removed from the plot section with an edit summary saying "it's likely copyvio" [17]. ( WP:COPYVIO) I'd like to get a clearer answer than "likely", how can we know if it is a copyright violation or not? Copyrights on jokes and comedy is complicated (see Joke theft and also consider Performing rights). Also I've seen film articles before that had links to the script in the External links section. Wikipedia Song articles frequently link to lyrics pages. I checked WP:MOSFILM and I don't see anything on it either way. (I was also under the impression that subtitles [18] were not a copyright violation and they are not even as simple as a transcript.)
WP:EL I seems to me like we could include a link to a full transcript in the External links section if that is something we wanted. Do we want to include a link to a full transcript? -- 109.77.194.24 ( talk) 02:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Both positive and negative reactions need to be included.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/dear-white-people-jaclyn-moore-dave-chappelle-netflix-1235083197/ Jaclyn Moore got deleted
Stand-up comedian Robin Tran got deleted
Actress Hannah Gadsby negative comments don't matter.
Mainstream actor Channing Tatum's disapproval doesn't matter.
All of the above were removed by the article creator! Very funny and amusing.-- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 02:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
The summary section of this article needs copyediting to establish an encyclopedic tone. It also does not accurately reflect the script I’ve read online. Namely, important content in the script is missing. The summary omits the bit about Dave watching television during his COVID-19 convalescence, which has the punchline that his body is fighting “foreign invaders” like the Black Americans he observes attacking Asian Americans on news reports. It is also missing the entire “Space Jew” section, and it does not elaborate on Dave’s arguments that LGBTQ people have more privilege than Black people. (A major theme, if not the major theme, seems to be that a secret group of LGBTQ and Jewish elites are oppressing Blacks in the United States.) The “big line” of the piece, about how “empathy is bisexual” because it has to “go both ways” (paraphrasing here) should also be included. Please let an experienced editor copyedit this for you. RandomFrequentFlyerDent ( talk) 08:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
I have made a related RfC on the reliability of the The Verge on social issues here for anyone that's interested: [23] CaffeinAddict ( talk) 17:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to open up commentary on what is the important parts of the section and what is WP:UNDUE. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 17:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
the only benefit here is it actually gives trans comedians a voice which is in essence the people who should actually be commenting on this subject. None of them are notable people however. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 03:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Craig Jenkins of Vulture.com gave it a mixed review, and wrote: "how much you enjoy The Closer will depend on whether you're able or willing to believe the comic and the human are separate entities and to buy that the human loves us all, and the comic is only performing spitefulness for his audience."
Can we replace this replace this with something more direct that actually espouses an opinion rather than pseudo-intellectual garbage? 199.120.30.203 ( talk) 00:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Instead of deleting so many of the reactions, how about creating 1 section for positive reactions and 1 section for negative reactions? We can list them all.
Caitlyn Jenner Defends Dave Chappelle Against ‘Woke Cancel Culture Run Amok’
-- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 19:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Other Wiki articles have a single section for criticism and response, but here the "response" is peppered into other sections. We could solve many of the issues discussed in "Critism [sic] and GLAAD Response" by reformatting along those lines. Post criticism first, then Sarandos's and Chappelle's responses when appropriate.
Most, if not all, the negative criticism of The Closer focuses on his Trans movement commentary. We'd break NPOV if we put all these critics in "Jokes about the Trans Community" and left only positive criticism in "Critical Reception," but we're currently breaking NPOV by double-counting negative criticism of his Trans movement commentary. We should change the "Jokes" heading to something more abstract like "Public Response" and make the current heading a subheading. These changes would clarify whether further additions belong in "Jokes" or "Critical Reception & Response." 24.217.32.13 ( talk) 03:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
There is no evidence that Daphne Dorman "experienced online harassment from the trans community", despite the page presenting such assertions as fact. This article is a good breakdown of the lack of evidence: https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends
I believe it to be important that the page should clarify that the relevant statement is unsubstantiated, as it would mislead readers otherwise. Condenser Coil 20:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
User:CaffeinAddict, your edits are way out of line with neutrality guidelines. More than 20-30 times, I estimate, you have removed sourced statements from the article from more than 20 different editors. These editors aren't me.
I understand comedy. Chappelle repeatedly says, "I'm transphobic" in this comedy special. If an ugly man or woman with facial deformities tried to hug me, I would never push her off. This is what Chapelle did and owns up to. It's what he did. He hasn't come back & stated that part was a joke. His pushing off of the t girl wasn't funny like the joke, "I knew your father… [audience laughs] …and he was a wonderful woman" (just a couple of examples).
Chapelle :"she grabbed me real tight, hugged me, squeezed me. And I pushed her off violently, ’cause I’m transphobic. I said “Boundaries, bitch!” https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/
I won't waste my time edit warring with you. If you were on Chapelle's PR team, you wouldn't be editing tendentiously to this extent. OutPoping the Pope! -- 14Jenna7Caesura ( talk) 01:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
A recent AFD resulted in a 'Merge to The Closer'. At the moment there is content about Daphne in several locations on this page, and that already covers perhaps 70% of the content to be merged in. What to do with the rest? Options include:
Chumpih t 02:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)