Should Nationwide Series wrecks go here? Carn29 ( talk) 12:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have no reason to imagine someone needing a list of pileups in the history of NASCAR, why should this go in an encyclopedia? This seems like far too specific a topic to have such an in-depth article on, surely this would be better as a sub-section in an article about restrictor plate racing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheddle ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
'Like 1973 Winston 500 in which was the first ever big one at Talladega eliminating 21 cars in a 60-car field including Wendell Scott's Career ending crash and 1979 Winston 500 in which involving 17 cars.' Is one of the least understandable sentences I have ever read... could someone who knows what the hell it's about please re-write it? Syko Conor ( talk) 17:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Repository for some removed listings. Doctorindy ( talk) 16:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
1988
1989
I know auto racing fans are incredibly passionate (particularly F1 & NASCAR fans). I'm an off and on fan of NASCAR racing (yeah, we exist). When I watch the races, I'm really into them.
That's where this comment is coming from. I want to read about this stuff, but there are so many slang terms used in this article that I think it interferes with clarity. Specifically, what is meant by being tagged? Isn't that just a light tap that doesn't cause a wreck? I think in this article it means something else. And what's up with the word "collected?" We're not amateur sports writers on WP. We're amateur encyclopedia writers. The object of these articles isn't to excite the fans; it's to present (and preserve) coherent and reliable information. I appreciate the attempts to use synonyms to enhance the writing, but that can have the opposite effect when the synonyms are only familiar to serious fans and sports writers.
Keep supporting the racing that you love, and keep writing about it, but remember your audience. Dcs002 ( talk) 07:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
The subject of the article "The Big One" appears to be defined in the sources provided as a multi-car wreck. There is is some controversy over using the term in marketing since multi-car wrecks involve injury and possible death. These claims are supported with references. I'm not certain this meets notability, however I can't see any issue with these two points being covered in the article.
The rest of the article, however, is unsourced and subjective. The entire "Causes" section is unsourced and POV.
After "Causes" every multi-car wreck is listed, though I can not see why. The description of every "Big One" is unnecessary and un-encyclopedic. I know this topic appeals to enthusiasts but I doubt more than a few sentences meet wikipedia standards. Lastly, the lede is not an accurate summary of sourced content because 95% of the article is unsourced.
Does anyone else have a view on this? I normally would boldly edit the article but I don't wish to commence an edit war and am writing here as a start point. Flat Out let's discuss it 09:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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could be used to cite the crashes (although YouTube isn't necessarily a reliable source). I do agree it needs major cleanup.
United States Man (
talk)
21:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Notability is not one person's opinion (See WP:NPOV ) The subject of the article is the term The Big One" and therefore should contain;
To convey notability the crashes need to be sourced. Adding a long list of crashes with no clear definition of what constitutes "The Big One" and without any sources is original research, and POV. Flat Out let's discuss it 02:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Most of these examples are from the Nationwide Series rather than the Sprint Cup series, which is more important. I think it would be a good idea to delete some of the less relevant Nationwide examples and add in some Sprint Cup series examples. Anyone have any objections to that? GrizzlyPear ( talk) 20:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
We still don't have a source to support the definition of "The Big One." Variously the lead has said 5 or more, 6 or more, 8 or more. If we are going to be specific we need a source, otherwise multi-car wreck should be used IMO. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
What about the 2017 Kansas Fall wreck when Erik Jones spun and collected around 10 cars with him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:980:8000:c1d:9966:1847:dba5:ff34 ( talk • contribs)
with 9 laps to go, the big one struck in turn 3 taking out almost the whole field bringing out the 4th caution of the race and the first incident since lap 5. It started when Alex Bowman was pushing William Byron when Bowman bumped Byron that got Byron loose and Byron went down and clipped the right rear of Brad Keselowski turning Keselowski around right infront of the pack taking out lots of contenders. The wreck collected 23 cars and involved Austin Cindric, Kyle Larson, Brad Keselowski, Chase Elliott, Noah Gragson, Denny Hamlin, Ryan Blaney, Chase Briscoe, Chris Buescher, Martin Truex Jr., Christopher Bell, Joey Logano, William Byron, Daniel Hemric, Todd Gilliland, Ryan Preece, Erik Jones, Tyler Reddick, Ricky Stenhouse Jr., Alex Bowman, Ty Gibbs, Anthony Alfredo, and Daniel Suárez.[ 96.8.178.190 ( talk) 03:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Right before the end of Stage 2, Christopher Bell turned his teammate Ty Gibbs into the rear of Ryan Blaney which sent Blaney head on into the outside wall at nearly full speed, triggering a massive pileup that collected the latter two drivers, as well as several others including Austin Cindric, Austin Dillon, Kevin Harvick, Kyle Larson, Denny Hamlin, Brennan Poole, A. J. Allmendinger, Harrison Burton, Riley Herbst, Tyler Reddick, and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 96.8.178.190 ( talk) 16:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
On lap 195 Chick hicks Slams into Winford Starting THE BIG ONE Crusty Slider Ryan Floyd Chuck Cornfuel Curber 🅱️illy James Haul Claude Todd & many more involved the race restart on lap 202 96.8.178.190 ( talk) 16:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
On lap 9, Ramo Stott's engine let go, dumping oil onto the speedway's asphalt. Wendell Scott, behind him, spun out, and both cars skidded into Talladega's infield, creating a massive cloud of dirt and dust. The combination of oil on the track and suddenly limited visibility caused a massive pileup. 23 cars were involved.
One contemporary recorded film account called it "The worst accident in NASCAR history", in terms of the number of cars involved.
All drivers were able to leave their cars under their own power. Buddy Baker and Cale Yarborough were eliminated, and when they got out of their cars they had to dodge additional cars crashing around them. Some drivers did have injuries. Several received lacerations; Earl Brooks had a broken hand, Joe Frasson had shoulder injuries, and Slick Gardner suffered a knee injury. Wendell Scott, who was covered in blood everywhere on his body, would suffer the worst injuries: a fractured left leg, fractured pelvis in numerous places, broke three ribs, ripped most of the skin from his left forearm, and would seriously injure his right kidney. His arm bone was also visible and poking out, according to Frank Scott, Wendell's son. The crash would ultimately lead to Scott's retirement.[6]
Bobby Allison, one of the drivers eliminated in the lap 9/10 wreck, later ripped the track's management for the field size of 60 set by track management - "They (filled the field) all right, all over the backstretch." Joe Frasson, already bloodied said "I hope to hell France is happy. NASCAR had no business starting 60 cars."[6]
Cleanup from the wreck proceeded under 37 laps of a yellow flag, lasting one hour and five minutes. 19 cars were eliminated outright. A few others, including that of Richard Petty, were repaired and eventually ran more laps.
David Pearson lost the lead draft and Buddy Baker said that Pearson fouled out the spark plugs on his Mercury and then got them replaced under the lengthy yellow.
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Should Nationwide Series wrecks go here? Carn29 ( talk) 12:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have no reason to imagine someone needing a list of pileups in the history of NASCAR, why should this go in an encyclopedia? This seems like far too specific a topic to have such an in-depth article on, surely this would be better as a sub-section in an article about restrictor plate racing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheddle ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
'Like 1973 Winston 500 in which was the first ever big one at Talladega eliminating 21 cars in a 60-car field including Wendell Scott's Career ending crash and 1979 Winston 500 in which involving 17 cars.' Is one of the least understandable sentences I have ever read... could someone who knows what the hell it's about please re-write it? Syko Conor ( talk) 17:36, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Repository for some removed listings. Doctorindy ( talk) 16:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
1988
1989
I know auto racing fans are incredibly passionate (particularly F1 & NASCAR fans). I'm an off and on fan of NASCAR racing (yeah, we exist). When I watch the races, I'm really into them.
That's where this comment is coming from. I want to read about this stuff, but there are so many slang terms used in this article that I think it interferes with clarity. Specifically, what is meant by being tagged? Isn't that just a light tap that doesn't cause a wreck? I think in this article it means something else. And what's up with the word "collected?" We're not amateur sports writers on WP. We're amateur encyclopedia writers. The object of these articles isn't to excite the fans; it's to present (and preserve) coherent and reliable information. I appreciate the attempts to use synonyms to enhance the writing, but that can have the opposite effect when the synonyms are only familiar to serious fans and sports writers.
Keep supporting the racing that you love, and keep writing about it, but remember your audience. Dcs002 ( talk) 07:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
The subject of the article "The Big One" appears to be defined in the sources provided as a multi-car wreck. There is is some controversy over using the term in marketing since multi-car wrecks involve injury and possible death. These claims are supported with references. I'm not certain this meets notability, however I can't see any issue with these two points being covered in the article.
The rest of the article, however, is unsourced and subjective. The entire "Causes" section is unsourced and POV.
After "Causes" every multi-car wreck is listed, though I can not see why. The description of every "Big One" is unnecessary and un-encyclopedic. I know this topic appeals to enthusiasts but I doubt more than a few sentences meet wikipedia standards. Lastly, the lede is not an accurate summary of sourced content because 95% of the article is unsourced.
Does anyone else have a view on this? I normally would boldly edit the article but I don't wish to commence an edit war and am writing here as a start point. Flat Out let's discuss it 09:15, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
YouTube|id|title}}
could be used to cite the crashes (although YouTube isn't necessarily a reliable source). I do agree it needs major cleanup.
United States Man (
talk)
21:23, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Notability is not one person's opinion (See WP:NPOV ) The subject of the article is the term The Big One" and therefore should contain;
To convey notability the crashes need to be sourced. Adding a long list of crashes with no clear definition of what constitutes "The Big One" and without any sources is original research, and POV. Flat Out let's discuss it 02:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Most of these examples are from the Nationwide Series rather than the Sprint Cup series, which is more important. I think it would be a good idea to delete some of the less relevant Nationwide examples and add in some Sprint Cup series examples. Anyone have any objections to that? GrizzlyPear ( talk) 20:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
We still don't have a source to support the definition of "The Big One." Variously the lead has said 5 or more, 6 or more, 8 or more. If we are going to be specific we need a source, otherwise multi-car wreck should be used IMO. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
What about the 2017 Kansas Fall wreck when Erik Jones spun and collected around 10 cars with him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:980:8000:c1d:9966:1847:dba5:ff34 ( talk • contribs)
with 9 laps to go, the big one struck in turn 3 taking out almost the whole field bringing out the 4th caution of the race and the first incident since lap 5. It started when Alex Bowman was pushing William Byron when Bowman bumped Byron that got Byron loose and Byron went down and clipped the right rear of Brad Keselowski turning Keselowski around right infront of the pack taking out lots of contenders. The wreck collected 23 cars and involved Austin Cindric, Kyle Larson, Brad Keselowski, Chase Elliott, Noah Gragson, Denny Hamlin, Ryan Blaney, Chase Briscoe, Chris Buescher, Martin Truex Jr., Christopher Bell, Joey Logano, William Byron, Daniel Hemric, Todd Gilliland, Ryan Preece, Erik Jones, Tyler Reddick, Ricky Stenhouse Jr., Alex Bowman, Ty Gibbs, Anthony Alfredo, and Daniel Suárez.[ 96.8.178.190 ( talk) 03:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Right before the end of Stage 2, Christopher Bell turned his teammate Ty Gibbs into the rear of Ryan Blaney which sent Blaney head on into the outside wall at nearly full speed, triggering a massive pileup that collected the latter two drivers, as well as several others including Austin Cindric, Austin Dillon, Kevin Harvick, Kyle Larson, Denny Hamlin, Brennan Poole, A. J. Allmendinger, Harrison Burton, Riley Herbst, Tyler Reddick, and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 96.8.178.190 ( talk) 16:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
On lap 195 Chick hicks Slams into Winford Starting THE BIG ONE Crusty Slider Ryan Floyd Chuck Cornfuel Curber 🅱️illy James Haul Claude Todd & many more involved the race restart on lap 202 96.8.178.190 ( talk) 16:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
On lap 9, Ramo Stott's engine let go, dumping oil onto the speedway's asphalt. Wendell Scott, behind him, spun out, and both cars skidded into Talladega's infield, creating a massive cloud of dirt and dust. The combination of oil on the track and suddenly limited visibility caused a massive pileup. 23 cars were involved.
One contemporary recorded film account called it "The worst accident in NASCAR history", in terms of the number of cars involved.
All drivers were able to leave their cars under their own power. Buddy Baker and Cale Yarborough were eliminated, and when they got out of their cars they had to dodge additional cars crashing around them. Some drivers did have injuries. Several received lacerations; Earl Brooks had a broken hand, Joe Frasson had shoulder injuries, and Slick Gardner suffered a knee injury. Wendell Scott, who was covered in blood everywhere on his body, would suffer the worst injuries: a fractured left leg, fractured pelvis in numerous places, broke three ribs, ripped most of the skin from his left forearm, and would seriously injure his right kidney. His arm bone was also visible and poking out, according to Frank Scott, Wendell's son. The crash would ultimately lead to Scott's retirement.[6]
Bobby Allison, one of the drivers eliminated in the lap 9/10 wreck, later ripped the track's management for the field size of 60 set by track management - "They (filled the field) all right, all over the backstretch." Joe Frasson, already bloodied said "I hope to hell France is happy. NASCAR had no business starting 60 cars."[6]
Cleanup from the wreck proceeded under 37 laps of a yellow flag, lasting one hour and five minutes. 19 cars were eliminated outright. A few others, including that of Richard Petty, were repaired and eventually ran more laps.
David Pearson lost the lead draft and Buddy Baker said that Pearson fouled out the spark plugs on his Mercury and then got them replaced under the lengthy yellow.
96.8.178.190 ( talk) 16:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)