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I'm a staunch believer in the plural of something not using an apostrophe. The band's official web site now has the (grammatically correct!) version without an apostrophe and this is used by the band across their artwork on newer releases, a change which seems to have been made when Funplex was released.
What's the precedent here? Just because Billboard etc. use the old, original incarnation doesn't mean they're correct. The band obviously used the apostrophised version for their earliest albums and continued this through to the more recent 'correction' - whether or not this was their choice or a designer's mistake, never corrected, is another question entirely.
So, do bands on Wikipedia always keep the original incarnation of their name or does this kind of thing go to a vote to decide whether the article title gets updated to match? By rights as the band now use "B-52s", I feel the article title should be updated to reflect this and the redirect can be implemented. Otherwise, the title's technically incorrect. Christopher ( talk) 13:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
The title of an article follows standard usage - it should follow what the majority of reliable sources use, and what the general reader would expect to see, so they know they have arrived at the right article. We do not necessarily use "official" names - see Wikipedia:Official names. The full policy is here: Wikipedia:Article titles, and there's a bit on band names here: WP:BANDNAME. In general, when a band, organisation, venue, etc, changes name, we continue to use the previous name until such time as the new name becomes more prominent; however, mention should be made in an article of a change of name even if the article remains at the older name. If the article remains at the older name, then the text of the article should also retain use of the older name, except in such places as where that would be inappropriate (when discussing the new name, quotes, album titles which use the new name, etc). SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 13:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The B-52's → The B-52s – Name is grammatically incorrect and the band themselves do not use the apostrophe on their own website ( https://www.theb52s.com/) Neilinabbey ( talk) 10:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
"For whether to include "the" as the first word of a band's name, see ( WP:THE). The rest of THEMUSIC is about handling of "the" if its present, but doesn't prescribe any guidelines for whether or not to use it in article titles above and beyond WP:THE. Clearly in the case of this band, "the" is not often capitalized when referencing them. Let me use the analogy of a sports team. In most sources, you'll see references to a sports team name like "the Dallas Cowboys" very often (as you said "almost always"), but we'd never title the article The Dallas Cowboys. how often its the band's name is adjacent to "the" is not how WP:THE works - its about whether the is capitalized, and in this case it almost never is. The bands's name is " B-52s". The very fact that as you point out there are usages like "a B-52s song" at all points to the incorrect titling of this article. -- Netoholic @ 08:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
"Conversely, some bands do not have the in their names, even though they may sometimes (or even often) be referred to as "the (Name)" in everyday speech". That part is the case I am making here. The handling of the B-52s should be just like the Ramones. -- Netoholic @ 19:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I did some apostrophe removal cleanup, but there's clearly more to do, e.g. moving other articles such as The B-52's discography, and checking for apostrophe usage in quotes and ref titles. Dicklyon ( talk) 16:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
On a different Wikipedia page about Mesopotamia it says that this album was released in 1982, but is not listed in discography. 66.8.137.249 ( talk) 04:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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I'm a staunch believer in the plural of something not using an apostrophe. The band's official web site now has the (grammatically correct!) version without an apostrophe and this is used by the band across their artwork on newer releases, a change which seems to have been made when Funplex was released.
What's the precedent here? Just because Billboard etc. use the old, original incarnation doesn't mean they're correct. The band obviously used the apostrophised version for their earliest albums and continued this through to the more recent 'correction' - whether or not this was their choice or a designer's mistake, never corrected, is another question entirely.
So, do bands on Wikipedia always keep the original incarnation of their name or does this kind of thing go to a vote to decide whether the article title gets updated to match? By rights as the band now use "B-52s", I feel the article title should be updated to reflect this and the redirect can be implemented. Otherwise, the title's technically incorrect. Christopher ( talk) 13:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
The title of an article follows standard usage - it should follow what the majority of reliable sources use, and what the general reader would expect to see, so they know they have arrived at the right article. We do not necessarily use "official" names - see Wikipedia:Official names. The full policy is here: Wikipedia:Article titles, and there's a bit on band names here: WP:BANDNAME. In general, when a band, organisation, venue, etc, changes name, we continue to use the previous name until such time as the new name becomes more prominent; however, mention should be made in an article of a change of name even if the article remains at the older name. If the article remains at the older name, then the text of the article should also retain use of the older name, except in such places as where that would be inappropriate (when discussing the new name, quotes, album titles which use the new name, etc). SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Iffy★ Chat -- 13:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
The B-52's → The B-52s – Name is grammatically incorrect and the band themselves do not use the apostrophe on their own website ( https://www.theb52s.com/) Neilinabbey ( talk) 10:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
"For whether to include "the" as the first word of a band's name, see ( WP:THE). The rest of THEMUSIC is about handling of "the" if its present, but doesn't prescribe any guidelines for whether or not to use it in article titles above and beyond WP:THE. Clearly in the case of this band, "the" is not often capitalized when referencing them. Let me use the analogy of a sports team. In most sources, you'll see references to a sports team name like "the Dallas Cowboys" very often (as you said "almost always"), but we'd never title the article The Dallas Cowboys. how often its the band's name is adjacent to "the" is not how WP:THE works - its about whether the is capitalized, and in this case it almost never is. The bands's name is " B-52s". The very fact that as you point out there are usages like "a B-52s song" at all points to the incorrect titling of this article. -- Netoholic @ 08:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
"Conversely, some bands do not have the in their names, even though they may sometimes (or even often) be referred to as "the (Name)" in everyday speech". That part is the case I am making here. The handling of the B-52s should be just like the Ramones. -- Netoholic @ 19:27, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I did some apostrophe removal cleanup, but there's clearly more to do, e.g. moving other articles such as The B-52's discography, and checking for apostrophe usage in quotes and ref titles. Dicklyon ( talk) 16:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
On a different Wikipedia page about Mesopotamia it says that this album was released in 1982, but is not listed in discography. 66.8.137.249 ( talk) 04:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)