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An earlier version of Footnote 4 related to the Series 18 contestants visiting Oceanworld at Manly Pargy ( talk) 07:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Remember , Reality Fan Forum and other forum boards - while they have photographic evidence and all that to track which racers are running and to what locations - are not reliable sources. Any racer or location datum added to the article needs to be sourced to a reliable source like a newspaper or the like. Any sightings given that are not cited to these will be deleted. -- MASEM ( t) 15:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
While I know traditionally we use the title card, does anyone see any problems with using one of the official pre-race promo photos (like the one heading the USA Today article on the teams' announcements). This serves to ID the racers in the legs in addition to the show. While NFC doesn't allow for non-free images of living people, it presumes that because the person alone can be photoed; here is a group of 23 people that likely won't meet again in any single place, thus making it allowable. -- MASEM ( t) 14:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I wonder the CBS website use Kent instead of "Kynt", LaKisha and Jennifer instead of "Kisha and Jen" and Ron using instead of his full name "Ronald". Kynt's present name as "Kent Kaliber" appeared on the website, why would it happened and does not accept standards? ApprenticeFan work 00:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I really think this information should be in a table. If it's too large, then we can make adjustments to fix that, but a table makes it much easier to scan through the list of teams, in my opinion. Frankly, the "Results" table has been put up on the day of the cast announcement for pretty much every prior season, so I'm not clear on why it's a problem now.
But if it's going to be done with prose, the original version was too wordy and hard to understand, in my opinion. I cleaned it up to make it easier to scan through and remove the redundant sentence structure. Jedzz ( talk) 19:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I mostly agree with this decision because it's a returning racers race and pretty much having the info there in an easy to view format is an absolutely great idea. But I honestly think that for any other season to come it should be how it was before. Normal results table the moment CBS announces. 82.15.11.55 ( talk) 02:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I know that we normally need not source descriptions of the primary source and historically have not done so in the past, but given that there are at least two or three RS recaps of each leg, I would really like us to include one or more per leg just to boost the quality of this article - I would like to see if we can take one of these seasons to a Featured status, and that sourcing will help.
Now, as for the RS's, you have CBS's own website, which is generally good but in danger of disappearing in the future (certainly when TAR19 comes around and they move links around). EW has regularly recapped these [1] and I see nothing wrong with this one by a staff writer. I know TWOP usually gives detailed coverage but often biased and skips a few things at times. And hopefully the AV Club will continue recaps (they're offering the option to its readers). We don't have to source every single task, just one reference cements the events. -- MASEM ( t) 14:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
While online last night, I asked a friend of mine if he/she (sorry voronika) would not mind making a race route map, and that's where this came from. Using RFF (even though I probably should not have), I asked if he/she could also make the same stylistic race route arc for the upcoming legs, and I have a handful of files on my computer that have similar red arcs to and from each successive destination city. So I will try to update the map each week to keep the aesthetic consistent.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 20:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that the show is underway, I'm wondering if we really need to have a full list of the teams in the casting section, when much of that same information can be contained in the Results section. I know user:Ryulong has been very anti-"Big Table," and has changed the format of the All-Stars article to match the format here, but the resulting effect has been to make the overall article more bloated, more redundant, and harder to follow than it should be. Jedzz ( talk) 19:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as it's a pain in the ass to remember the names of the different map icon symbols for airplane and train, would a template like Template:TAR clue be useful?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 18:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Considering that at the mat, Phil awarded Gary & Mallory the Express Pass for coming in first on the first leg, it can be said that this is not a single leg stretched across two episodes but two separate legs with no mandatory rest period between them. So can we please stop changing it to a single leg?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 18:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
In the extra video clips, Phil is calling ep 1 and ep 2 "two legs". So it's two legs, but no rest between them. Thoughts?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 21:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Intoronto1125 and I have come into a minor disagreement as to what photo should be used to represent the events of episode 2. I first used a photo of a kangaroo, but then he changed it to this photograph of Broken Hill. I then found this photo of a street like the ones they were searching for in the kangaroo task on the Commons, but Intoronto1125 believes that using the photo of the Silver Street sign is misleading, despite the fact that the names of the streets that they were actually looking for are featured in the prose of the section. I believe using a unique photo from the region that is related to what the racers did is better than a generic photo of the locale visited, as is generally done for these times where they don't visit places with iconic imagery. What are everyone else's thoughts?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 02:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I know we should mention Wincen Cuy, the mayor of Broken Hill, New South Wales, as the greeter of the official Pit Stop. If that case, we should need to add a fact? ApprenticeFan work 04:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
The first leg is not a non-elimination leg, it is a double length leg therefore Jet/Cord were not "saved from elimination". The same goes to the fourth leg which is still ongoing. Episodes 1 and 2 is the same leg while it is probable that episodes 4 and 5 are the same leg, too. The table should be modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.223.120 ( talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Well first off, Phil said "your still racing". SO this means sir that you are wrong and Australia and China is 1 leg! Meaning we are on Leg 3. I could care less about the "They would not have been giving prizes". Yeah its a new thing for awarding teams that race really well. To further help my case, the clue said "Make your way to the top of Lion Hill" not "Make your way to the next pit stop, Lion Hill" Then Phil Said, "You are the first team to arrive" not "you are team number 1" which happens on a 1 part LEG. To finish it up the screen also said "To be Continued" So thanks!-- Danooky ( talk) 21:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Personally I think these are seperate legs if only for the reasons mentioned by Ryulong, they are editted in a way to make them longer legs to make the race more exhausting to teams and give teams that have fallen behind a chance to catch up, essentially a game changing mechanic there.Not to mention Phil giving the express pass to the 1st place team meaning it was leg complete. As it stands now, Phil has never given an express pass at a mid point in a double leg. 82.15.8.146 ( talk) 21:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Although Jaime & Cara was out @ leg 5, she used the uturn and also receive the pass together. dont you think we could use that?? ( Singaporeandy ( talk) 10:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC))
The page currently lists Gary as having done only 1 Roadblock so far (the one in Japan). However, even though they used the Express Pass in Kunming, Gary & Mallory still declared that Gary would do the Roadblock (Gary's 2nd Roadblock out of 6). In addition, the recap on the CBS website lists Gary as having done the Roadblock for the leg (albeit not actually having to do anything due to the Express Pass). Shouldn't Gary's Roadblock count be changed to reflect this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.88.77 ( talk) 14:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
This has been bothering me for a while. I don't see why it's necessary to mention the fact that the first departing flight arrived second and vice-versa, as currently shown as footnotes in Legs 1 and 3. To me, this is excessive trivia and should not be included for the same reasons why we don't include information like how many teams did each Detour, or how many teams took direct flights vs. connecting flights. I'm not sure who initially added this info but I know this page is on several WLs, so I thought I'd look for some consensus before removing it. I also wish to remove a similar footnote on The Amazing Race 7, Leg 1. Thoughts? — KuyaBriBri Talk 18:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
And were the 15 persons in costume representing numbers 2 to 16 of China's national minorities, or were the 15 all Tibetan?
This section of Leg 5 needs clarification, please. – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 02:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
CBS released a promo today, and it showed Gary & Mallory winning first place(Yes Phil says they are team number 1) and someone reverted it. If you took time to look at the video ( Video Here) you would see it. -- Danooky ( talk) 23:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
There could be a catch with this, like maybe they arrive first but do something wrong and occur a penalty, or something unexplainable, I don't think CBS has ever shown a spoiler like this before where they reveal who came first in a leg before it aired right? 82.15.8.146 ( talk) 00:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Was the pitstop the same from Season 5? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 01:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
My cable box says that the official name of the season is "Amazing Race: Unfinished Business" instead of "Amazing Race 18." I think that that may be the official name of the season and should be used for the title of this page. Twinsfan133 ( talk) 01:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Since Liechtenstein is a very small country, there should be only a sole task there. One information came from RFF that the said country has only a major proportion of doing the tasks there. Also, another country has been reported in the same leg (Leg 9): Zermatt, Switzerland. TV Guide is proved wrong on locations. ApprenticeFan work 03:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
It wouldn't be a first to have more than one country in one leg, older seasons have done this, and they have done this on TARA before. Obvious answer would just be to wait and see and edit as and when it comes on the live broadcast 82.15.8.146 ( talk) 00:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if we have the right city count.
Am I leaving any out?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 21:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I have assumed that there will be a double U-Turn in Liechtenstein/Switzerland leg. I checked it a source from CBS Express: [3]. Any thoughts?
And the quote:
The stress of the Race begins to take its toll when a Double U-Turn is revealed, and one Team struggles to consume a local delicacy while others become acquainted with Swiss hospitality.
I think this leg will likely take place in Zermatt just after Liechtenstein. ApprenticeFan work 03:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The race continues in Switzerland and the teams face a Double U-Turn.
By the way, there was only one Double U-Turn in Season 17, but now there's two in Season 18. Was there one that somehow got unaired in 17? — Preceding
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Can we not post the results of this race on the pages of the team's original season? Their placings here don't have anything to do with the previous races and some people are inadvertently having this season spoilt for them by checking the other wiki pages. Same goes for all-stars and the seasons preceeding that. 93.96.23.89 ( talk) 12:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Are we going to include the unnamed ski resort the teams went too? Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions 00:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
There is a such disagreement with this photo. Singaporeandy changed to upload the photo which is not really liked it to the article. And so, Ryulong added this photo on Leg 12 section which the picture comes from Wiki Commons. Well, this photo is not really generic and not really necessary. So, that's Ryulong's decision to put the picture.
The tricycle is not similar to the actual tricycle used it to the teams. ApprenticeFan work 09:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure that Kisha & Jen being the second all-female team to win the race deserves any special recognition. I mean, if we're going that route, why not credit Chris & Alex as being the second all-male team to win, Kim McAllister as being the second female to win, etc? It's extraneous information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.105.41 ( talk) 23:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Why are the results of this race being placed on the pages of previous seasons? Somebody brought this up before because they thought it was spoilers however I'm bringing it up as this series results have no influence on previous seasons. There is no reason to add the reults to those pages as it adds nothing to the information about that particular season. I request removing it but I won't do until someone explains as to why it's necessary to be placed there. We did not do this for the first all-stars season for the above reason. ARArules ( talk) 00:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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An earlier version of Footnote 4 related to the Series 18 contestants visiting Oceanworld at Manly Pargy ( talk) 07:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Remember , Reality Fan Forum and other forum boards - while they have photographic evidence and all that to track which racers are running and to what locations - are not reliable sources. Any racer or location datum added to the article needs to be sourced to a reliable source like a newspaper or the like. Any sightings given that are not cited to these will be deleted. -- MASEM ( t) 15:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
While I know traditionally we use the title card, does anyone see any problems with using one of the official pre-race promo photos (like the one heading the USA Today article on the teams' announcements). This serves to ID the racers in the legs in addition to the show. While NFC doesn't allow for non-free images of living people, it presumes that because the person alone can be photoed; here is a group of 23 people that likely won't meet again in any single place, thus making it allowable. -- MASEM ( t) 14:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I wonder the CBS website use Kent instead of "Kynt", LaKisha and Jennifer instead of "Kisha and Jen" and Ron using instead of his full name "Ronald". Kynt's present name as "Kent Kaliber" appeared on the website, why would it happened and does not accept standards? ApprenticeFan work 00:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I really think this information should be in a table. If it's too large, then we can make adjustments to fix that, but a table makes it much easier to scan through the list of teams, in my opinion. Frankly, the "Results" table has been put up on the day of the cast announcement for pretty much every prior season, so I'm not clear on why it's a problem now.
But if it's going to be done with prose, the original version was too wordy and hard to understand, in my opinion. I cleaned it up to make it easier to scan through and remove the redundant sentence structure. Jedzz ( talk) 19:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I mostly agree with this decision because it's a returning racers race and pretty much having the info there in an easy to view format is an absolutely great idea. But I honestly think that for any other season to come it should be how it was before. Normal results table the moment CBS announces. 82.15.11.55 ( talk) 02:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I know that we normally need not source descriptions of the primary source and historically have not done so in the past, but given that there are at least two or three RS recaps of each leg, I would really like us to include one or more per leg just to boost the quality of this article - I would like to see if we can take one of these seasons to a Featured status, and that sourcing will help.
Now, as for the RS's, you have CBS's own website, which is generally good but in danger of disappearing in the future (certainly when TAR19 comes around and they move links around). EW has regularly recapped these [1] and I see nothing wrong with this one by a staff writer. I know TWOP usually gives detailed coverage but often biased and skips a few things at times. And hopefully the AV Club will continue recaps (they're offering the option to its readers). We don't have to source every single task, just one reference cements the events. -- MASEM ( t) 14:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
While online last night, I asked a friend of mine if he/she (sorry voronika) would not mind making a race route map, and that's where this came from. Using RFF (even though I probably should not have), I asked if he/she could also make the same stylistic race route arc for the upcoming legs, and I have a handful of files on my computer that have similar red arcs to and from each successive destination city. So I will try to update the map each week to keep the aesthetic consistent.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 20:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that the show is underway, I'm wondering if we really need to have a full list of the teams in the casting section, when much of that same information can be contained in the Results section. I know user:Ryulong has been very anti-"Big Table," and has changed the format of the All-Stars article to match the format here, but the resulting effect has been to make the overall article more bloated, more redundant, and harder to follow than it should be. Jedzz ( talk) 19:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as it's a pain in the ass to remember the names of the different map icon symbols for airplane and train, would a template like Template:TAR clue be useful?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 18:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Considering that at the mat, Phil awarded Gary & Mallory the Express Pass for coming in first on the first leg, it can be said that this is not a single leg stretched across two episodes but two separate legs with no mandatory rest period between them. So can we please stop changing it to a single leg?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 18:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
In the extra video clips, Phil is calling ep 1 and ep 2 "two legs". So it's two legs, but no rest between them. Thoughts?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 21:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Intoronto1125 and I have come into a minor disagreement as to what photo should be used to represent the events of episode 2. I first used a photo of a kangaroo, but then he changed it to this photograph of Broken Hill. I then found this photo of a street like the ones they were searching for in the kangaroo task on the Commons, but Intoronto1125 believes that using the photo of the Silver Street sign is misleading, despite the fact that the names of the streets that they were actually looking for are featured in the prose of the section. I believe using a unique photo from the region that is related to what the racers did is better than a generic photo of the locale visited, as is generally done for these times where they don't visit places with iconic imagery. What are everyone else's thoughts?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 02:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I know we should mention Wincen Cuy, the mayor of Broken Hill, New South Wales, as the greeter of the official Pit Stop. If that case, we should need to add a fact? ApprenticeFan work 04:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
The first leg is not a non-elimination leg, it is a double length leg therefore Jet/Cord were not "saved from elimination". The same goes to the fourth leg which is still ongoing. Episodes 1 and 2 is the same leg while it is probable that episodes 4 and 5 are the same leg, too. The table should be modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.223.120 ( talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Well first off, Phil said "your still racing". SO this means sir that you are wrong and Australia and China is 1 leg! Meaning we are on Leg 3. I could care less about the "They would not have been giving prizes". Yeah its a new thing for awarding teams that race really well. To further help my case, the clue said "Make your way to the top of Lion Hill" not "Make your way to the next pit stop, Lion Hill" Then Phil Said, "You are the first team to arrive" not "you are team number 1" which happens on a 1 part LEG. To finish it up the screen also said "To be Continued" So thanks!-- Danooky ( talk) 21:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Personally I think these are seperate legs if only for the reasons mentioned by Ryulong, they are editted in a way to make them longer legs to make the race more exhausting to teams and give teams that have fallen behind a chance to catch up, essentially a game changing mechanic there.Not to mention Phil giving the express pass to the 1st place team meaning it was leg complete. As it stands now, Phil has never given an express pass at a mid point in a double leg. 82.15.8.146 ( talk) 21:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Although Jaime & Cara was out @ leg 5, she used the uturn and also receive the pass together. dont you think we could use that?? ( Singaporeandy ( talk) 10:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC))
The page currently lists Gary as having done only 1 Roadblock so far (the one in Japan). However, even though they used the Express Pass in Kunming, Gary & Mallory still declared that Gary would do the Roadblock (Gary's 2nd Roadblock out of 6). In addition, the recap on the CBS website lists Gary as having done the Roadblock for the leg (albeit not actually having to do anything due to the Express Pass). Shouldn't Gary's Roadblock count be changed to reflect this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.88.77 ( talk) 14:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
This has been bothering me for a while. I don't see why it's necessary to mention the fact that the first departing flight arrived second and vice-versa, as currently shown as footnotes in Legs 1 and 3. To me, this is excessive trivia and should not be included for the same reasons why we don't include information like how many teams did each Detour, or how many teams took direct flights vs. connecting flights. I'm not sure who initially added this info but I know this page is on several WLs, so I thought I'd look for some consensus before removing it. I also wish to remove a similar footnote on The Amazing Race 7, Leg 1. Thoughts? — KuyaBriBri Talk 18:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
And were the 15 persons in costume representing numbers 2 to 16 of China's national minorities, or were the 15 all Tibetan?
This section of Leg 5 needs clarification, please. – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 02:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
CBS released a promo today, and it showed Gary & Mallory winning first place(Yes Phil says they are team number 1) and someone reverted it. If you took time to look at the video ( Video Here) you would see it. -- Danooky ( talk) 23:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
There could be a catch with this, like maybe they arrive first but do something wrong and occur a penalty, or something unexplainable, I don't think CBS has ever shown a spoiler like this before where they reveal who came first in a leg before it aired right? 82.15.8.146 ( talk) 00:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Was the pitstop the same from Season 5? Intoronto1125 ( talk) 01:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
My cable box says that the official name of the season is "Amazing Race: Unfinished Business" instead of "Amazing Race 18." I think that that may be the official name of the season and should be used for the title of this page. Twinsfan133 ( talk) 01:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Since Liechtenstein is a very small country, there should be only a sole task there. One information came from RFF that the said country has only a major proportion of doing the tasks there. Also, another country has been reported in the same leg (Leg 9): Zermatt, Switzerland. TV Guide is proved wrong on locations. ApprenticeFan work 03:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
It wouldn't be a first to have more than one country in one leg, older seasons have done this, and they have done this on TARA before. Obvious answer would just be to wait and see and edit as and when it comes on the live broadcast 82.15.8.146 ( talk) 00:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if we have the right city count.
Am I leaving any out?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 21:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I have assumed that there will be a double U-Turn in Liechtenstein/Switzerland leg. I checked it a source from CBS Express: [3]. Any thoughts?
And the quote:
The stress of the Race begins to take its toll when a Double U-Turn is revealed, and one Team struggles to consume a local delicacy while others become acquainted with Swiss hospitality.
I think this leg will likely take place in Zermatt just after Liechtenstein. ApprenticeFan work 03:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The race continues in Switzerland and the teams face a Double U-Turn.
By the way, there was only one Double U-Turn in Season 17, but now there's two in Season 18. Was there one that somehow got unaired in 17? — Preceding
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Can we not post the results of this race on the pages of the team's original season? Their placings here don't have anything to do with the previous races and some people are inadvertently having this season spoilt for them by checking the other wiki pages. Same goes for all-stars and the seasons preceeding that. 93.96.23.89 ( talk) 12:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Are we going to include the unnamed ski resort the teams went too? Intoronto1125 Talk Contributions 00:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
There is a such disagreement with this photo. Singaporeandy changed to upload the photo which is not really liked it to the article. And so, Ryulong added this photo on Leg 12 section which the picture comes from Wiki Commons. Well, this photo is not really generic and not really necessary. So, that's Ryulong's decision to put the picture.
The tricycle is not similar to the actual tricycle used it to the teams. ApprenticeFan work 09:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure that Kisha & Jen being the second all-female team to win the race deserves any special recognition. I mean, if we're going that route, why not credit Chris & Alex as being the second all-male team to win, Kim McAllister as being the second female to win, etc? It's extraneous information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.105.41 ( talk) 23:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Why are the results of this race being placed on the pages of previous seasons? Somebody brought this up before because they thought it was spoilers however I'm bringing it up as this series results have no influence on previous seasons. There is no reason to add the reults to those pages as it adds nothing to the information about that particular season. I request removing it but I won't do until someone explains as to why it's necessary to be placed there. We did not do this for the first all-stars season for the above reason. ARArules ( talk) 00:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 08:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)