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Please add Munich massacre Arnoutf ( talk) 14:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia redirects searches of "terrorism in europe" to this page wich is problematic since europe is a continent comprised by a number of countries currently not in the union.
Also there seems to be a very heavy focus on leftist/islamist attacks that are noted here when there are a large number of neo-fascist/nazi and separatist/conservative/christian/islamophobe-attacks that could fall into the category.
Examples from Sweden: Car bombing of two journalists in Nacka 1999 Sweden by neo-nazi extremists, Murder of leftist Björn Söderberg 1999 by neo-nazis, murder of two police officers in Malexander by neo-nazi bank robbers financing the "national socialist" revolution and political activities 1999. Lone wolf/neo-nazi attack in school in Trollhättan Sweden 3 dead 2015.
Im sure the list goes on for all countries.
/MX
Hi Ratemonth! my adding the Norway attacks again was before i found this discussion page. I apologize for my mistake. Could we now discuss the points i have lifted? /MX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.247.9.84 ( talk) 06:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC) Just letting everyone in this discussion know that i have registred a user account and will be using it henceforth Flowerywallpaper ( talk) 06:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I strongly endorse changing the page's title to "Terrorism in Europe" and include attacks in Norway as well as Swizerland (and the UK once they leave). /H Jul 15 2016
Hasn't been updated in 7 months or so. It's also become rather long and unwieldy to navigate. Any suggestions? Alt lys er svunnet hen ( talk) 02:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I updated it a week ago with attack on the Jewish museum in Brussels. - 19 January 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:1812:6:db00:449c:f186:69a2:3709 ( talk)
Paris1127 ( talk) 15:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Why the editors are not using the standard flags of the countries listed? 203.111.224.64 ( talk) 14:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Why are there so few listings for the UK? There were hundreds of attacks in the UK, Ireland and Germany related to the Troubles but I don't see any in the list. Did I miss something? I know that including all IRA/UVF/INLA, etc. attacks in the British Isles or all ETA attacks in Spain and the Basque Country would make the list much longer but where is the rationale for not at least including some of them?-- 58.37.44.171 ( talk) 10:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
The absence of any terrorist attacks in Britain or Ireland connected to the Northern Ireland 'Troubles' is curious. Where are the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example. I note the Great Britain page referred to above doesn't include Northern Ireland attacks (e.g. Omagh Bombing). Is it the view that these were not terrorist attacks but part of an ongoing war? Ccferrie ( talk) 09:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Minor incidents like 2011 Norway attacks aren't mentioned here, so it may seem this article is rather outdated… Rkarlsba ( talk) 22:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. This page title should be changed to Terrorism in Europe and include Norway as well as Swizerland (and the UK once they leave). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historiskan1 ( talk • contribs) 11:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Thy-- SvenAERTS ( talk) 15:22, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
There are several incidents in the list that don't fit the given categories (2016 Munich shooting, 2012 Brindisi school bombing). If we include the Munich shooting we open the door for all cases of rampage. Maybe we should only add incidents that included a bombing and an unknown or criminal motive. I personally would exclude suicidal rampages. Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 22:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
The article lists suspected Islamic terrorist attacks as Islamic terrorists attacks, even though they have not been confirmed as such. Shouldn't there be a clarification that some of the incidents do not have a confirmed motive? Beejsterb ( talk) 03:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
2016 Atatürk Airport attack should be included 212.253.113.71 ( talk) 14:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I typed Terrorism in Europe and I was re-directed to this page. In this way we cannot fact-check terrorist attacks in non EU countries like Russia, Norway and Turkey, where terrorist attacks have occurred. Furthermore, the UK will soon abandon the EU, therefore I propose that the title be changed to Terrorism in Europe, also because I personally don't see the connection between the EU and terrorism, perhaps there could be within NATO countries, but that would include North-American countries as well and exclude Russia.( Koantao ( talk) 01:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC))
I've redirected the page Wave of Terror in Europe, which seems to have been merely a partial content fork of this article, to point here. The term "Wave of Terror" is not in wide use to describe these events; cherry-picking quotations to try to make it so is WP:OR. -- Markshale ( talk) 08:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
@ Beejsterb: @ Tavix: This page has been moved from Terrorism in the European Union to "Terrorism in Europe" without a requested move, but only with a discussion over the redirect "Terrorism in Europe" (which I missed). The consensus there was unclear, and a requested move should have been started instead. The new title is problematic: it hugely expands the scope of this article, since now terrorist attacks in countries like Russia and Turkey should be included, and more importantly the temporal scope goes back a century: unlike the EU and its predecessors, which were born in 1951, "terrorism in Europe" includes terrorism in European states since the XIX century. Having an article about Terrorism in the European Union made sense because it can rely on EUROPOL statistics, whereas "Terrorism in Europe" is too broad in my opinion, and articles about single states would be better. Anyway, the two subjects are clearly distinct and both can have an article, but this article currently covers only Terrorism in the European Union, and another article should be started to cover Terrorism in Europe (or otherwise this article should be significantly re-written). -- Nykterinos ( talk) 22:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I have previously raised this issue and will raise it again now that the article has been moved. A distinction needs to be made between attacks with a suspected motivation and attacks with a confirmed motivation. When a perpetrator directly states his motivation for the attack, then the attack is categorized. When they do not, then an investigator is launched to find out the motive. Many of the recent attacks listed here that are suspected as Islamic are listed as simply "Islamic". Again, we must somehow distinguish between the two. Either we can have a different colour for suspected attacks, or we remove them altogether. I am going to add the 2016 Munich shooting as the perpetrator had a suspected motivation that is still under investigation, just like many of the other incidents here. I hope this addition can raise attention to this ignored issue. Beejsterb ( talk) 23:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't see any reasons to randomly delete incidents which are clearly related to Islamistic terrorism in the media AND by officials, especially Nice, Essen, and Ansbach. In all of those cases the relation is more than obvious.-- Gerry1214 ( talk) 08:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
The Economist seems to have a completely different list of terrorist attacks in Europe (1970-1990):
Is this Wikipedia article missing that much attacks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.236.14 ( talk) 12:04, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Why is the 2016 Nice attack reference repeatedly being removed from the article? It was a terrorist attack and has been proven by French Intelligence and Police to be inspired from ISIS. Also, the Norway attacks are not included either. Please Fix both.
Again someone deleted it from the list.. what's up with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 04:59, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Because I added it again and Now it is deleted again Parsley Man — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 20:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
You are quite rude... Anyways, I read the main article talk page and? It's an act of terror and it occurred in Europe... it should be on this list, but people keep removing it over and over again... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 02:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
There are no confirmed links between Breavik and other right wing terrorist. Same way there is no doubts about Bouhlel motivation. He want to kill people to send political massage that is terrorism by definition. -- Jenda H. ( talk) 17:31, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
I think it should definitely be included. With the material found on his computer and the fact that accomplices have been arrested. Why is this level of scrutiny not being applied to the others? Karst Tates drove into a crowd and the description says "The motive for the attack is unknown." I mean surely Petri Gerdt shouldn't be on here, any links to terrorism have been ruled out and there's a real chance it could of been an accident. 86.6.119.173 ( talk) 23:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Extremely biased findings by not including the Nice attack. 86 people mowed down by "an ISIS inspired Terrorist". Several people charged with terrorism crimes related to the attack, yet on this page, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's not a duck. Have fun with your Whitewashing (censorship) of the Nice attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 23:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Not included in the article:
-"National Socialist Underground a far-right German terrorist group which was uncovered in November 2011.[1] So far, the following crimes have been attributed to the NSU: the National Socialist Underground murders, a series of murders of nine immigrants (eight Turks and one Greek) between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006; the murder of a policewoman and attempted murder of her colleague; the 2001 and 2004 Cologne bombings; and a series of 14 bank robberies."
/info/en/?search=National_Socialist_Underground
-"Oktoberfest terror attack was a terrorist attack with a right-wing radical background. On 26 September 1980, 12 people died and 211 were injured after the explosion of an improvised explosive device at the main entrance of the Oktoberfest in Munich, West Germany." /info/en/?search=Oktoberfest_terror_attack
Wrong information:
The Hamburg stabbing is categorized as ISIS related even though there's no proof whatsoever.
"The ISIL confession falsely claims that two persons were attacked with a knife"
/info/en/?search=2016_Hamburg_stabbing_attack
31 October 2016 Stabbing Islamist, 1 dead
Nobody died according to the linked source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.7.15.150 ( talk) 13:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Can we remove all the coats of arms? They are irrelevant here. They're not supported by MOS:FLAG. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:48, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
This article is a bit of a mess. The title is very general, implying it is about terrorism in Europe generally, but the content is then only about terrorism in the EEC/EU. There's a good opening section on the Europol data, and then there's a very patchy list of incidents that tracks every recent minor event but ignores vast numbers of attacks in earlier decades. The list replicates what's in the various "List of terrorist incidents in..." articles.
I propose some bold changes. The article actually tries to cover terrorism in Europe, within which it uses the Europol data (noting it's only about the EU). This means expanding the geographic and temporal scope of what's covered. But that the list of incidents is dropped entirely for being an unhelpful duplication of content elsewhere. We then link to the relevant "List of..." articles.
Thoughts all? Bondegezou ( talk) 15:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Most of the content on the page has been deleted. Why has this occurred? Can someone reverse the deletion of this content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.162.100 ( talk) 18:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Bondegezou is right. The list was too long and inconsistent – its criteria for inclusion was unclear and it was heavily weighted toward recent events.
However, instead of leaving nothing, I think we should replace it with a better list – one that is shorter and more consistent. A list of every terrorist attack in Europe would be much much too long, so I suggest we list only the biggest attacks here. We could limit it to attacks with at least ten deaths. The criteria for inclusion could be: attacks on civilians by non-state actors to achieve a political/religious/ideological aim, that are widely referred to as terrorism. The list should cover the whole of Europe, not just the EU. But I'm not sure whether to include Russia, as it has so many attacks that meet the criteria. Excluding Russia, this would leave us with a list of about 35 attacks:
As this article is meant to be an overview of terrorism in Europe, it makes sense for it to have an overview of the biggest terrorist attacks in Europe. The smaller attacks can be listed in the various country articles (altho only a few countries have lists so far). Also, as we'd only be listing the biggest attacks, there'd be very little duplication.
Thoughts? ~
Asarlaí
23:10, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I've added another 6 incidents to the new list, although I've omitted the Hungarian train bombing by Szilveszter Matuska as there is uncertainty whether this counts as terrorism. Is 10 going to be too low a threshold? Bondegezou ( talk) 08:45, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that in the lede of the article, it mentions that the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 is the deadliest aviation terrorist attack in Europe, with 270 deaths. However, shouldn't this title belong to the bombing of Air India Flight 182 off Ireland, which killed 329 people? -- Undescribed ( talk) 07:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
It seems as though there is still some controversy in regards to the collage of images in the article lede showing the 2004 Madrid bombings, Air India Flight 182, and City of Poros ship attack. As a result, I have decided to add a new discussion in regards to the matter. Personally I don't see a problem with the images that are currently shown, but perhaps there are more appropriate images? Any ideas? -- Undescribed ( talk) 13:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Why is the Westminster attack missing? Virtusinvita ( talk) 20:13, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Currently we only include terror incidents that resulted it at least 10 death. This excludes noteworthy incidents like the 2012 Burgas bus bombing, 2017 Stockholm attack, 2017 Westminster attack and Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting. Lowering the number to 5 will only include three more incidents mentioned (at least from Islamic side). So this will not blow up the list with dozens of minors incidents. -- Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 01:13, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Since parts of Russia are on the European continent we should include all attacks that happened east of the Ural (witch are almost all). There is no specific definition of Europe or the selected countries given so the default definition should apply. Europe#List_of_states_and_territories -- Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 21:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Bondegezou: Well personally I don't feel as though Russia should be included, because while Russia might be considered to be a part of Europe from a political/cultural standpoint, there is no clear-cut definition as to which parts of Russia are part of Europe from a geographical standpoint. I do agree that if we did include Russia, it should be incidents that happened in all of the country, as doing otherwise would most likely result in some confusion among the general Wikipedia consumer. But since Russia is technically a transcontinental country, if we were to include it we might as well include all of the other transcontinental countries such as Turkey, Kazakhstan, etc. -- Undescribed ( talk) 02:46, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Arcadius Romanus: You can find this discussion under the subsection "Bold Proposal." Undescribed ( talk) 02:46, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
User:Arcadius Romanus has a point terrorist incidents in all geographically European areas should be included within this list due to the cultural, political and demographic ties to Europe and also for sake of consistency across Wikipedia articles. Consumers with knowledge of Russia related terrorism may also treat the article as bias if they see the exclusion of terrorist incidents within European Russia thus they may disregard the rest of the articles information compromising the integrity of the article. -- EMU FAM ( talk) 17:50, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I am adding back my sentence in the introduction commenting that intercontinental countries are not being included, I would like to ask why there have been objections to this short sentence being there. It is placed there to avoid confusion in the reader as anyone with knowledge of terrorism in Turkish and Russian Europe would likely see the article as biased. It is an important note which justifies its presence in not only the description for the list lower down on the page but also the introduction. Perhaps some bias may be at play here. EMU FAM ( talk) 12:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't b the most current incident at the top? Most visitors are probably more interested in current events than in what happened 100 years ago. -- Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 21:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
I changed the heading "Date" in the table to "Date started" and it's now been changed back. Just to explain, we have a couple of incidents that went over more than one calendar day, but to make the table sortable, we need to keep to a single date there. So my thinking was that "Date started" clarifies that, for the small number of longer incidents, we're only giving day 1. Bondegezou ( talk) 15:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
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TryDeletingMe and Calthinus are in dispute about whether the Podujevo bus bombing should be included, which comes down to whether it can be considered terrorism. Tension over this point has previously arisen on the article's Talk page: see Talk:Podujevo_bus_bombing#WARNING:_Article_full_of_lies.
Whether something is or is not terrorism is frequently contested. There are no hard rules here as to what constitutes terrorism. So we follow the basic Wikipedia principle of considering how reliable sources describe something. The Telegraph and LA Times quote Serbian government figures as saying it is terrorism, although the articles don't say that directly. This BBC News report does describe it as a terrorist act directly. AP has a UN representative calling it terrorism. I think that's sufficient to include the event here. What do others think? Bondegezou ( talk) 16:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
In Belgrade, the Yugoslav parliament cut short its session in protest at the terrorist attack, which it described as an act of terrorism aimed at destabilising the area.-- considering they also fudged the map of Kosovo, it is not hard to see this as a paraphrase. If we have other RS describing it as a terrorist attack, sure, but we are not reinstating the edit of a the far-right permabanned troll without them.-- Calthinus ( talk) 03:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Bondegezou: I think that none of us has the time and energy to stay focused on a small detail for much more time. Provide here all RS (specialized in the topic, not medicine articles) that refer to the events as terrorism and we can evaluate if they are a majority or a minority. This article includes only those events that are described as terrorism by a majority of RS. You have actually given some RS that do not consider the events terrorism (the Telegraph, LA Times). Do that as soon as possible as we all need to move on and focus on other articles. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 07:42, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The
Podujevo bus bombing should be included, because as well as several reliable neutral sources calling it terrorism, one of the perpetrators was convicted of terrorism for the bombing. See
here and
here. The book Peace at Any Price: How the World Failed Kosovo, by Iain King and Whit Mason, is another reliable source calling it terrorism. ~
Asarlaí
16:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
It came to my attention a while back that the Europol report had been used on this page to misrepresent the notion that left-wing groups were more dangerous than right wing groups - the chart on this page was being commonly cited by those attempting to white-wash the right's history of terrorism in Europe. On studying the Europol report more closely, it is apparent most of the arrests cited as 'left-wing' were anarchist related, hence this label has been changed for accuracy. I've noticed a few unregistered IPs are trying to revert this, claiming I haven't read the report. I have. :) AbrahamCat ( talk) 02:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The table that makes up most of the article includes events if there were at least 10 deaths. Asarlaí in a recent edit removed one row on the grounds that, although there were 22 deaths, 14 of those were the perpetrators, so there were less than 10 victim deaths. I've reverted for now as the text at the top of the table doesn't make a victim/perpetrator distinction. So, that's the question? Should we? Should we only include events with at least 10 victim deaths? Bondegezou ( talk) 16:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC) This would mean removing Shankill Road bombing, Kumanovo clashes, 2016 Munich Shooting (which Asarlaí disputes for other reasons), and 2017 London Bridge attack. Bondegezou ( talk) 16:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure how much this page is missing but based it could be a lot based this Dutch wiki page: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorisme_in_Nederland For the list on the Dutch page alone is longer than the list on this page and that mentions none attacks in the Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otter20 ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
PJ Geest kindly added a graphic based on the Global Terrorism Database. I noticed this lists an event in Switzerland in 2001 that's not in our table: that's the Zug massacre. That event is not described as terrorism in its Wikipedia article, but if it's in the Global Terrorism Database, then that's a reliable source describing it so. Should we include it in our table? Bondegezou ( talk) 15:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
There really is no proof that ETA did it, it's a conspiracy theory, are we going to put 11M on ETA while we're at it ? Not even the spanish government alleges that ETA did it, I'm remvoing it The basque savior ( talk) 21:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
@ W1tchkr4ft 00: Your input here would be welcome. I'm seeing multiple sources discussing ETA's possible involvement. I'm not of a fixed view as to how we should cover this; happy to hear different viewpoints. But they need to be based on Wikipedia policy and what sources say. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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Please add Munich massacre Arnoutf ( talk) 14:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia redirects searches of "terrorism in europe" to this page wich is problematic since europe is a continent comprised by a number of countries currently not in the union.
Also there seems to be a very heavy focus on leftist/islamist attacks that are noted here when there are a large number of neo-fascist/nazi and separatist/conservative/christian/islamophobe-attacks that could fall into the category.
Examples from Sweden: Car bombing of two journalists in Nacka 1999 Sweden by neo-nazi extremists, Murder of leftist Björn Söderberg 1999 by neo-nazis, murder of two police officers in Malexander by neo-nazi bank robbers financing the "national socialist" revolution and political activities 1999. Lone wolf/neo-nazi attack in school in Trollhättan Sweden 3 dead 2015.
Im sure the list goes on for all countries.
/MX
Hi Ratemonth! my adding the Norway attacks again was before i found this discussion page. I apologize for my mistake. Could we now discuss the points i have lifted? /MX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.247.9.84 ( talk) 06:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC) Just letting everyone in this discussion know that i have registred a user account and will be using it henceforth Flowerywallpaper ( talk) 06:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I strongly endorse changing the page's title to "Terrorism in Europe" and include attacks in Norway as well as Swizerland (and the UK once they leave). /H Jul 15 2016
Hasn't been updated in 7 months or so. It's also become rather long and unwieldy to navigate. Any suggestions? Alt lys er svunnet hen ( talk) 02:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I updated it a week ago with attack on the Jewish museum in Brussels. - 19 January 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:1812:6:db00:449c:f186:69a2:3709 ( talk)
Paris1127 ( talk) 15:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Why the editors are not using the standard flags of the countries listed? 203.111.224.64 ( talk) 14:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Why are there so few listings for the UK? There were hundreds of attacks in the UK, Ireland and Germany related to the Troubles but I don't see any in the list. Did I miss something? I know that including all IRA/UVF/INLA, etc. attacks in the British Isles or all ETA attacks in Spain and the Basque Country would make the list much longer but where is the rationale for not at least including some of them?-- 58.37.44.171 ( talk) 10:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
The absence of any terrorist attacks in Britain or Ireland connected to the Northern Ireland 'Troubles' is curious. Where are the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example. I note the Great Britain page referred to above doesn't include Northern Ireland attacks (e.g. Omagh Bombing). Is it the view that these were not terrorist attacks but part of an ongoing war? Ccferrie ( talk) 09:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Minor incidents like 2011 Norway attacks aren't mentioned here, so it may seem this article is rather outdated… Rkarlsba ( talk) 22:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. This page title should be changed to Terrorism in Europe and include Norway as well as Swizerland (and the UK once they leave). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historiskan1 ( talk • contribs) 11:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Thy-- SvenAERTS ( talk) 15:22, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
There are several incidents in the list that don't fit the given categories (2016 Munich shooting, 2012 Brindisi school bombing). If we include the Munich shooting we open the door for all cases of rampage. Maybe we should only add incidents that included a bombing and an unknown or criminal motive. I personally would exclude suicidal rampages. Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 22:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
The article lists suspected Islamic terrorist attacks as Islamic terrorists attacks, even though they have not been confirmed as such. Shouldn't there be a clarification that some of the incidents do not have a confirmed motive? Beejsterb ( talk) 03:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
2016 Atatürk Airport attack should be included 212.253.113.71 ( talk) 14:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I typed Terrorism in Europe and I was re-directed to this page. In this way we cannot fact-check terrorist attacks in non EU countries like Russia, Norway and Turkey, where terrorist attacks have occurred. Furthermore, the UK will soon abandon the EU, therefore I propose that the title be changed to Terrorism in Europe, also because I personally don't see the connection between the EU and terrorism, perhaps there could be within NATO countries, but that would include North-American countries as well and exclude Russia.( Koantao ( talk) 01:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC))
I've redirected the page Wave of Terror in Europe, which seems to have been merely a partial content fork of this article, to point here. The term "Wave of Terror" is not in wide use to describe these events; cherry-picking quotations to try to make it so is WP:OR. -- Markshale ( talk) 08:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
@ Beejsterb: @ Tavix: This page has been moved from Terrorism in the European Union to "Terrorism in Europe" without a requested move, but only with a discussion over the redirect "Terrorism in Europe" (which I missed). The consensus there was unclear, and a requested move should have been started instead. The new title is problematic: it hugely expands the scope of this article, since now terrorist attacks in countries like Russia and Turkey should be included, and more importantly the temporal scope goes back a century: unlike the EU and its predecessors, which were born in 1951, "terrorism in Europe" includes terrorism in European states since the XIX century. Having an article about Terrorism in the European Union made sense because it can rely on EUROPOL statistics, whereas "Terrorism in Europe" is too broad in my opinion, and articles about single states would be better. Anyway, the two subjects are clearly distinct and both can have an article, but this article currently covers only Terrorism in the European Union, and another article should be started to cover Terrorism in Europe (or otherwise this article should be significantly re-written). -- Nykterinos ( talk) 22:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I have previously raised this issue and will raise it again now that the article has been moved. A distinction needs to be made between attacks with a suspected motivation and attacks with a confirmed motivation. When a perpetrator directly states his motivation for the attack, then the attack is categorized. When they do not, then an investigator is launched to find out the motive. Many of the recent attacks listed here that are suspected as Islamic are listed as simply "Islamic". Again, we must somehow distinguish between the two. Either we can have a different colour for suspected attacks, or we remove them altogether. I am going to add the 2016 Munich shooting as the perpetrator had a suspected motivation that is still under investigation, just like many of the other incidents here. I hope this addition can raise attention to this ignored issue. Beejsterb ( talk) 23:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't see any reasons to randomly delete incidents which are clearly related to Islamistic terrorism in the media AND by officials, especially Nice, Essen, and Ansbach. In all of those cases the relation is more than obvious.-- Gerry1214 ( talk) 08:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
The Economist seems to have a completely different list of terrorist attacks in Europe (1970-1990):
Is this Wikipedia article missing that much attacks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.236.14 ( talk) 12:04, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Why is the 2016 Nice attack reference repeatedly being removed from the article? It was a terrorist attack and has been proven by French Intelligence and Police to be inspired from ISIS. Also, the Norway attacks are not included either. Please Fix both.
Again someone deleted it from the list.. what's up with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 04:59, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Because I added it again and Now it is deleted again Parsley Man — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 20:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
You are quite rude... Anyways, I read the main article talk page and? It's an act of terror and it occurred in Europe... it should be on this list, but people keep removing it over and over again... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 02:17, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
There are no confirmed links between Breavik and other right wing terrorist. Same way there is no doubts about Bouhlel motivation. He want to kill people to send political massage that is terrorism by definition. -- Jenda H. ( talk) 17:31, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
I think it should definitely be included. With the material found on his computer and the fact that accomplices have been arrested. Why is this level of scrutiny not being applied to the others? Karst Tates drove into a crowd and the description says "The motive for the attack is unknown." I mean surely Petri Gerdt shouldn't be on here, any links to terrorism have been ruled out and there's a real chance it could of been an accident. 86.6.119.173 ( talk) 23:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Extremely biased findings by not including the Nice attack. 86 people mowed down by "an ISIS inspired Terrorist". Several people charged with terrorism crimes related to the attack, yet on this page, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's not a duck. Have fun with your Whitewashing (censorship) of the Nice attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.3.159 ( talk) 23:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Not included in the article:
-"National Socialist Underground a far-right German terrorist group which was uncovered in November 2011.[1] So far, the following crimes have been attributed to the NSU: the National Socialist Underground murders, a series of murders of nine immigrants (eight Turks and one Greek) between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006; the murder of a policewoman and attempted murder of her colleague; the 2001 and 2004 Cologne bombings; and a series of 14 bank robberies."
/info/en/?search=National_Socialist_Underground
-"Oktoberfest terror attack was a terrorist attack with a right-wing radical background. On 26 September 1980, 12 people died and 211 were injured after the explosion of an improvised explosive device at the main entrance of the Oktoberfest in Munich, West Germany." /info/en/?search=Oktoberfest_terror_attack
Wrong information:
The Hamburg stabbing is categorized as ISIS related even though there's no proof whatsoever.
"The ISIL confession falsely claims that two persons were attacked with a knife"
/info/en/?search=2016_Hamburg_stabbing_attack
31 October 2016 Stabbing Islamist, 1 dead
Nobody died according to the linked source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.7.15.150 ( talk) 13:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Can we remove all the coats of arms? They are irrelevant here. They're not supported by MOS:FLAG. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:48, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
This article is a bit of a mess. The title is very general, implying it is about terrorism in Europe generally, but the content is then only about terrorism in the EEC/EU. There's a good opening section on the Europol data, and then there's a very patchy list of incidents that tracks every recent minor event but ignores vast numbers of attacks in earlier decades. The list replicates what's in the various "List of terrorist incidents in..." articles.
I propose some bold changes. The article actually tries to cover terrorism in Europe, within which it uses the Europol data (noting it's only about the EU). This means expanding the geographic and temporal scope of what's covered. But that the list of incidents is dropped entirely for being an unhelpful duplication of content elsewhere. We then link to the relevant "List of..." articles.
Thoughts all? Bondegezou ( talk) 15:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Most of the content on the page has been deleted. Why has this occurred? Can someone reverse the deletion of this content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.162.100 ( talk) 18:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Bondegezou is right. The list was too long and inconsistent – its criteria for inclusion was unclear and it was heavily weighted toward recent events.
However, instead of leaving nothing, I think we should replace it with a better list – one that is shorter and more consistent. A list of every terrorist attack in Europe would be much much too long, so I suggest we list only the biggest attacks here. We could limit it to attacks with at least ten deaths. The criteria for inclusion could be: attacks on civilians by non-state actors to achieve a political/religious/ideological aim, that are widely referred to as terrorism. The list should cover the whole of Europe, not just the EU. But I'm not sure whether to include Russia, as it has so many attacks that meet the criteria. Excluding Russia, this would leave us with a list of about 35 attacks:
As this article is meant to be an overview of terrorism in Europe, it makes sense for it to have an overview of the biggest terrorist attacks in Europe. The smaller attacks can be listed in the various country articles (altho only a few countries have lists so far). Also, as we'd only be listing the biggest attacks, there'd be very little duplication.
Thoughts? ~
Asarlaí
23:10, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
I've added another 6 incidents to the new list, although I've omitted the Hungarian train bombing by Szilveszter Matuska as there is uncertainty whether this counts as terrorism. Is 10 going to be too low a threshold? Bondegezou ( talk) 08:45, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that in the lede of the article, it mentions that the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 is the deadliest aviation terrorist attack in Europe, with 270 deaths. However, shouldn't this title belong to the bombing of Air India Flight 182 off Ireland, which killed 329 people? -- Undescribed ( talk) 07:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
It seems as though there is still some controversy in regards to the collage of images in the article lede showing the 2004 Madrid bombings, Air India Flight 182, and City of Poros ship attack. As a result, I have decided to add a new discussion in regards to the matter. Personally I don't see a problem with the images that are currently shown, but perhaps there are more appropriate images? Any ideas? -- Undescribed ( talk) 13:27, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Why is the Westminster attack missing? Virtusinvita ( talk) 20:13, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Currently we only include terror incidents that resulted it at least 10 death. This excludes noteworthy incidents like the 2012 Burgas bus bombing, 2017 Stockholm attack, 2017 Westminster attack and Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting. Lowering the number to 5 will only include three more incidents mentioned (at least from Islamic side). So this will not blow up the list with dozens of minors incidents. -- Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 01:13, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Since parts of Russia are on the European continent we should include all attacks that happened east of the Ural (witch are almost all). There is no specific definition of Europe or the selected countries given so the default definition should apply. Europe#List_of_states_and_territories -- Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 21:29, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Bondegezou: Well personally I don't feel as though Russia should be included, because while Russia might be considered to be a part of Europe from a political/cultural standpoint, there is no clear-cut definition as to which parts of Russia are part of Europe from a geographical standpoint. I do agree that if we did include Russia, it should be incidents that happened in all of the country, as doing otherwise would most likely result in some confusion among the general Wikipedia consumer. But since Russia is technically a transcontinental country, if we were to include it we might as well include all of the other transcontinental countries such as Turkey, Kazakhstan, etc. -- Undescribed ( talk) 02:46, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Arcadius Romanus: You can find this discussion under the subsection "Bold Proposal." Undescribed ( talk) 02:46, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
User:Arcadius Romanus has a point terrorist incidents in all geographically European areas should be included within this list due to the cultural, political and demographic ties to Europe and also for sake of consistency across Wikipedia articles. Consumers with knowledge of Russia related terrorism may also treat the article as bias if they see the exclusion of terrorist incidents within European Russia thus they may disregard the rest of the articles information compromising the integrity of the article. -- EMU FAM ( talk) 17:50, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I am adding back my sentence in the introduction commenting that intercontinental countries are not being included, I would like to ask why there have been objections to this short sentence being there. It is placed there to avoid confusion in the reader as anyone with knowledge of terrorism in Turkish and Russian Europe would likely see the article as biased. It is an important note which justifies its presence in not only the description for the list lower down on the page but also the introduction. Perhaps some bias may be at play here. EMU FAM ( talk) 12:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't b the most current incident at the top? Most visitors are probably more interested in current events than in what happened 100 years ago. -- Arcadius Romanus ( talk) 21:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
I changed the heading "Date" in the table to "Date started" and it's now been changed back. Just to explain, we have a couple of incidents that went over more than one calendar day, but to make the table sortable, we need to keep to a single date there. So my thinking was that "Date started" clarifies that, for the small number of longer incidents, we're only giving day 1. Bondegezou ( talk) 15:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
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TryDeletingMe and Calthinus are in dispute about whether the Podujevo bus bombing should be included, which comes down to whether it can be considered terrorism. Tension over this point has previously arisen on the article's Talk page: see Talk:Podujevo_bus_bombing#WARNING:_Article_full_of_lies.
Whether something is or is not terrorism is frequently contested. There are no hard rules here as to what constitutes terrorism. So we follow the basic Wikipedia principle of considering how reliable sources describe something. The Telegraph and LA Times quote Serbian government figures as saying it is terrorism, although the articles don't say that directly. This BBC News report does describe it as a terrorist act directly. AP has a UN representative calling it terrorism. I think that's sufficient to include the event here. What do others think? Bondegezou ( talk) 16:01, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
In Belgrade, the Yugoslav parliament cut short its session in protest at the terrorist attack, which it described as an act of terrorism aimed at destabilising the area.-- considering they also fudged the map of Kosovo, it is not hard to see this as a paraphrase. If we have other RS describing it as a terrorist attack, sure, but we are not reinstating the edit of a the far-right permabanned troll without them.-- Calthinus ( talk) 03:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Bondegezou: I think that none of us has the time and energy to stay focused on a small detail for much more time. Provide here all RS (specialized in the topic, not medicine articles) that refer to the events as terrorism and we can evaluate if they are a majority or a minority. This article includes only those events that are described as terrorism by a majority of RS. You have actually given some RS that do not consider the events terrorism (the Telegraph, LA Times). Do that as soon as possible as we all need to move on and focus on other articles. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 07:42, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The
Podujevo bus bombing should be included, because as well as several reliable neutral sources calling it terrorism, one of the perpetrators was convicted of terrorism for the bombing. See
here and
here. The book Peace at Any Price: How the World Failed Kosovo, by Iain King and Whit Mason, is another reliable source calling it terrorism. ~
Asarlaí
16:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
It came to my attention a while back that the Europol report had been used on this page to misrepresent the notion that left-wing groups were more dangerous than right wing groups - the chart on this page was being commonly cited by those attempting to white-wash the right's history of terrorism in Europe. On studying the Europol report more closely, it is apparent most of the arrests cited as 'left-wing' were anarchist related, hence this label has been changed for accuracy. I've noticed a few unregistered IPs are trying to revert this, claiming I haven't read the report. I have. :) AbrahamCat ( talk) 02:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
The table that makes up most of the article includes events if there were at least 10 deaths. Asarlaí in a recent edit removed one row on the grounds that, although there were 22 deaths, 14 of those were the perpetrators, so there were less than 10 victim deaths. I've reverted for now as the text at the top of the table doesn't make a victim/perpetrator distinction. So, that's the question? Should we? Should we only include events with at least 10 victim deaths? Bondegezou ( talk) 16:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC) This would mean removing Shankill Road bombing, Kumanovo clashes, 2016 Munich Shooting (which Asarlaí disputes for other reasons), and 2017 London Bridge attack. Bondegezou ( talk) 16:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure how much this page is missing but based it could be a lot based this Dutch wiki page: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorisme_in_Nederland For the list on the Dutch page alone is longer than the list on this page and that mentions none attacks in the Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otter20 ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
PJ Geest kindly added a graphic based on the Global Terrorism Database. I noticed this lists an event in Switzerland in 2001 that's not in our table: that's the Zug massacre. That event is not described as terrorism in its Wikipedia article, but if it's in the Global Terrorism Database, then that's a reliable source describing it so. Should we include it in our table? Bondegezou ( talk) 15:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
There really is no proof that ETA did it, it's a conspiracy theory, are we going to put 11M on ETA while we're at it ? Not even the spanish government alleges that ETA did it, I'm remvoing it The basque savior ( talk) 21:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
@ W1tchkr4ft 00: Your input here would be welcome. I'm seeing multiple sources discussing ETA's possible involvement. I'm not of a fixed view as to how we should cover this; happy to hear different viewpoints. But they need to be based on Wikipedia policy and what sources say. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)