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More emphasis should be placed on the protests themselves, as people are starting to call this a political revolution in their analysis (see Torres Gotay for an example). As a matter of fact, I think that if we shift the focus to the protests, more material can be added. There are other rationales behind the ongoing unrest, such as the mismanagement of government resources during and after the Maria crisis. Old School WWC Fan ( talk) 03:18, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Way less ugly in print, quicker to say, probably more popular than the current title. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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An editor has an article Draft:2019 Puerto Rico protests-- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 11:15, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
To me it makes no sense at all to translate tremenda as tremendous here. Even daughter of a whore has no real value, except as a literal translation. Wouldn't it make sense to translate it more liberally as "an awful bitch", etc? LeverageSerious ( talk) 16:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Firstly, the Telegram chat leak was pretty objectively the catalyst for these mass protests, not the sole reason; any news source or anyone who was there will tell you the common motive was against Rosselló's alleged corruption and inefficiency in general. Secondly, the article says Telegramgate is ongoing, which it technically isn't, since Rosselló already resigned after the chat leaked; protests are still occurring, however, this time with different demands—again, this is an objective fact, any news source on the island will tell you this. I believe the page should be moved to, for example, 2019 Puerto Rico mass protests. -- Anonymoususername ( talk) 19:22, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
THERE SHOULD BE THOUSANDS OF AERIAL PICTURES OF SUCH AN EVENT....PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE FROM AERIAL FOOTAGE....BECAUSE IN FACT....Thousands of people can gather....but it was not even one percent of the population....in other words it falls under the category of coup dtat....a sort of terrorist act....this story is just a numbers game and expresses opinions instead of facts....let’s stop the fake stories from destroying our countries.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.105.208 ( talk) 07:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
The current section on the 2019 Puerto Rican protests gives a good summary of the diverse and creative forms of protest. However, it could be enhanced by incorporating a deeper analysis of the socio-political context and the unique dynamics that fueled these demonstrations. This would emphasize the role of civilian protests to the eventual resignation of the Governor, as well as making it seem more academic. For instance, emphasizing the role of digital activism and the global engagement it fostered, as well as the impact of shared experiences like Hurricane Maria in unifying the protestors, would provide a more comprehensive understanding. Additionally, discussing the movement's success beyond the resignation of Governor Rosselló, in terms of raising awareness and prompting a broader dialogue on governance and social justice in Puerto Rico, could offer a more nuanced perspective. These aspects, drawn from academic analysis and scholarly sources, would add depth to the understanding of the movement's significance in Puerto Rican history and its impact on societal change. The protests, catalyzed by the leak of derogatory messages from Governor Ricardo Rosselló, were underpinned by a deep-rooted desire for systemic change, intensified by the collective experience of Hurricane Maria's aftermath. This movement exemplifies the intricate interplay of resource mobilization, collective identity, and digital activism. Goodwin and Jasper's concepts provide a theoretical framework to understand the diverse participation and the effectiveness of decentralized, grassroots strategies. Especially when it comes to the political opportunity theory and the nature of the leak, which made "free-riders" not a problem for the continuing of protest. Incorporating this academic perspective will provide a more comprehensive understanding of the protests' complexity and impact.
These are some of the sources that I think would be relevant to include more data on this topic. They come from a paper I wrote for my Sociology Class:
American Anthropologist. “Understanding the Puerto Rican 2019 Summer Protests.” American Anthropologist. Blumberg, Rhoda Lois. “Civil Rights Movement.”PDF. Goodwin, Jeff, and James M. Jasper. The Social Movements Reader: Cases and Concepts. Wiley-Blackwell, 2014. Library of Congress. “Vieques Island Protests.” Phys.org. “Social Media and Politics: Uprising in Puerto Rico.” Population Research Institute, Pennsylvania State University. López 11 Phys.org. “Researchers Analyze the Use of Social Media During Puerto Rican Uprising”. Said, Atef. The Egyptian Revolution: Ethnographic Notes from Tahrir. PDF. Society and Space. “Summer 2019: The Great Racialized Puerto Rican Family Protesting in the Street Fearlessly.” Society and Space. The City University of New York (CUNY) Academic Works. CUNY Academic Work. Jglopez99 ( talk) 04:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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More emphasis should be placed on the protests themselves, as people are starting to call this a political revolution in their analysis (see Torres Gotay for an example). As a matter of fact, I think that if we shift the focus to the protests, more material can be added. There are other rationales behind the ongoing unrest, such as the mismanagement of government resources during and after the Maria crisis. Old School WWC Fan ( talk) 03:18, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Way less ugly in print, quicker to say, probably more popular than the current title. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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An editor has an article Draft:2019 Puerto Rico protests-- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 11:15, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
To me it makes no sense at all to translate tremenda as tremendous here. Even daughter of a whore has no real value, except as a literal translation. Wouldn't it make sense to translate it more liberally as "an awful bitch", etc? LeverageSerious ( talk) 16:03, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Firstly, the Telegram chat leak was pretty objectively the catalyst for these mass protests, not the sole reason; any news source or anyone who was there will tell you the common motive was against Rosselló's alleged corruption and inefficiency in general. Secondly, the article says Telegramgate is ongoing, which it technically isn't, since Rosselló already resigned after the chat leaked; protests are still occurring, however, this time with different demands—again, this is an objective fact, any news source on the island will tell you this. I believe the page should be moved to, for example, 2019 Puerto Rico mass protests. -- Anonymoususername ( talk) 19:22, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
THERE SHOULD BE THOUSANDS OF AERIAL PICTURES OF SUCH AN EVENT....PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE FROM AERIAL FOOTAGE....BECAUSE IN FACT....Thousands of people can gather....but it was not even one percent of the population....in other words it falls under the category of coup dtat....a sort of terrorist act....this story is just a numbers game and expresses opinions instead of facts....let’s stop the fake stories from destroying our countries.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.105.208 ( talk) 07:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
The current section on the 2019 Puerto Rican protests gives a good summary of the diverse and creative forms of protest. However, it could be enhanced by incorporating a deeper analysis of the socio-political context and the unique dynamics that fueled these demonstrations. This would emphasize the role of civilian protests to the eventual resignation of the Governor, as well as making it seem more academic. For instance, emphasizing the role of digital activism and the global engagement it fostered, as well as the impact of shared experiences like Hurricane Maria in unifying the protestors, would provide a more comprehensive understanding. Additionally, discussing the movement's success beyond the resignation of Governor Rosselló, in terms of raising awareness and prompting a broader dialogue on governance and social justice in Puerto Rico, could offer a more nuanced perspective. These aspects, drawn from academic analysis and scholarly sources, would add depth to the understanding of the movement's significance in Puerto Rican history and its impact on societal change. The protests, catalyzed by the leak of derogatory messages from Governor Ricardo Rosselló, were underpinned by a deep-rooted desire for systemic change, intensified by the collective experience of Hurricane Maria's aftermath. This movement exemplifies the intricate interplay of resource mobilization, collective identity, and digital activism. Goodwin and Jasper's concepts provide a theoretical framework to understand the diverse participation and the effectiveness of decentralized, grassroots strategies. Especially when it comes to the political opportunity theory and the nature of the leak, which made "free-riders" not a problem for the continuing of protest. Incorporating this academic perspective will provide a more comprehensive understanding of the protests' complexity and impact.
These are some of the sources that I think would be relevant to include more data on this topic. They come from a paper I wrote for my Sociology Class:
American Anthropologist. “Understanding the Puerto Rican 2019 Summer Protests.” American Anthropologist. Blumberg, Rhoda Lois. “Civil Rights Movement.”PDF. Goodwin, Jeff, and James M. Jasper. The Social Movements Reader: Cases and Concepts. Wiley-Blackwell, 2014. Library of Congress. “Vieques Island Protests.” Phys.org. “Social Media and Politics: Uprising in Puerto Rico.” Population Research Institute, Pennsylvania State University. López 11 Phys.org. “Researchers Analyze the Use of Social Media During Puerto Rican Uprising”. Said, Atef. The Egyptian Revolution: Ethnographic Notes from Tahrir. PDF. Society and Space. “Summer 2019: The Great Racialized Puerto Rican Family Protesting in the Street Fearlessly.” Society and Space. The City University of New York (CUNY) Academic Works. CUNY Academic Work. Jglopez99 ( talk) 04:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)