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@ Lourdes: I don't agree with this deletion. In the first place, it is not duplicating content from the Kapu (caste) page. It is about the status classification of the Telaga caste. Secondly, I don't think it is appropriate for unregistered users to go above our heads, so to speak, and get senior admins to make edits of their liking via Help desk requests. They haven't generated consensus here. Pinging Sitush as well. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 22:35, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Lourdes: Why don't we add a status column to this Telaga caste just like for its parent caste Kapu. Are they are classified as Forward caste today in modern history by current government instead of K Srinivasulu?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [([[User talk:#top|talk]]) 02:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Lourdes: Sigh. There are a lot of politics here, and there is reality too. We say a caste group is "backward" (or perhaps, more appropriately, "disadvantaged") if the economic indicators show that they are significantly lagging behind the rest of the population. My belief is that Telagas are indeed in that situation. However, they form a subcaste of Kapus, who are agricutlurists in general. So there seems to have been a lot of pushing and shoving to make sure that they are not treated differently from the overall Kapu group. The government goofed at some point, and it hasn't been able to correct the situation despite some efforts. (This was the point of the blogpost that you deleted, which was mostly giving factual information.)
Now, in terms of caste politics, almost all castes want the forward caste status and backward caste status at the same time, the former for the glory and the latter for the affirmative action benefits. Obviously, that can't happen. So, while their caste members are campaigning to get labelled as "forward caste" here, the other membes are protesting on the streets asking for "backward caste" status. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] The irony of this is totally lost on them!
Officially, the government doesn't award anything called a "forward caste" status. The term is used informally as the opposite of "backward". But it doesn't really mean much. It is just saying that they are in the default category. That is why Sitush and I resisted putting "forward caste" in the infobox. We don't have any positive information that demonstrates the forwardness of the caste. For some castes such as Brahmins and Rajputs, the forwardness is obvious, and we can find plenty of reliable sources that attest to their forwardness. But that is not the case here. In fact, there is considerable evidence that they are not forward, as the above references imply.
The Government Order you cited somehow lets them have the cake and eat it too. They are not officially branded as "backward", but some of the money earmarked for backward castes is being chanelled to them. That might be best in terms of the practicality of politics. But it would mean that we shouldn't label them as forward in the infobox, because tomorrow somebody can come and complain that we are labelling them as "forward" while they are getting money meant for backward castes. The reality is probably that they are somehwere in between. Cheers, Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
"...whatever was the reality during the British times continues to be so today. So, I will reinstate that..."You may of course reinstate that; but do consider not using the blogspot source to support the same. Thanks for the edits you have made till now; they add good value and structure. Warmly. Lourdes 02:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid several points are being missed here.
Telaga per se refers to what we know as Pedda Kapus in the east Godavari and northern districts of Andhra.
The Pedda Kapus of west Godavari and Krishna regions are generally referred to as Kapu.
These groups are called Pedda Kapu/Telaga in order to distinguish them from Turpu Kapus who are considered lower in status and between whom intermarriage is looked down upon.
A comparable distinction would be between Kuppa Velama and Velama dora subcaste which are part of the same Velama caste.
The Velama Doras are considered higher in status and generally intermarry among themselves.
Similarly the Pedda Kapu and Ontari subcaste consider themselves higher than Turpu Kapus and intermarry among themselves.
Furthermore Balija as a term is confusingly applied to two castes. One is the caste of Balija Naidus who form the subcaste of greater Kapu community and then we have the caste of Toddy tappers who are known as Chetty Balijas in Andhra and as Gouds in Telangana.
Further complicating the problem is many lower castes often attempt to pass of the dominant castes in their respective regions, thus in regions where Pedda Kapus are dominant the Chetti Balijas try to pass of as Kapus trying to take advantage of the Balija name.
This had confused the British census takers in the past who were not very accurate in classifying caste and their status. Such as the Kanarese bunts living in Southern Andhra were classified into Balija Naidu grouping by them. See David Washbrook et al for the same. Similarly the Mudiraj community of Telangana also sometimes are called as Telagas despite there being no connection between Mudirajs and Telagas/Pedda Kapus of coastal Andhra.
In any case the Pedda Kapus + Vantaris + Balija Naidus are of similar status as Reddies of Rayalseema and Telangana and Kammas. ( it's a different issue that Kammas also used to have high low subcastes which were eventually done away with due to their collective action and intermarriage) and the Velama Doras. These are the sat Shudra castes of Andhra and are of equivalent status( please see, Politics and representation of caste identity in regional historiography: A case study of Kammas in Andhra by Yamada Keiko, for the same)
Now it's upto wisdom of the admin as to what status they wish to classify these castes as, but Kapus ( Pedda Kapu /Telaga + Ontari + Balija Naidus) must be classified in the same category as rest of the sat Shudra.
The caste status coloumn if it must exist, should most definitely reflect the on ground status of the caste in question for its often used as reference by people outside the state. (caste afterall is a local phenomenon and castes status operate usually at state levels).
Afterall it's after taking a look at the on ground conditions did the central government reject the reservations for Kapu community ( Pedda Kapu + Ontari and Balija Naidu), the Munnuru Kapus and Turpu Kapus already enjoy reservation.
Similar were the reasons for reversing the decision for 5 percent qouta for Kapus by Jaganmohan reddy.
Wikipedia has now become the first point of reference for all things related to caste for better or worse and hence the responsibility of the admin is greater. It's imperative they understand the nuance of caste in Andhra before they add any information. Else the best course might be to delete the page rather than spread wrong ideas. Psi93 ( talk) 17:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
The following request was made at EAR and is being copied here for someone versed in the subject matter of this article to deal with. — TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC) (Not watching this page):
This is incorrect - In 2002, K. Srinivasulu describes Telaga as a "backward peasant caste". Government records indicate they are forward caste[7] Correction - Telaga caste was never categorized under Backward peasant caste after the formation of andhra pradesh state in 1956 though various efforts were made to include them under Backward category. So K. Srinivasulu analysis is indeed wrong. Also , they are vaishnavites in general. What is there varna ? Are they kshatriyas/Kings/Warriors in olden times? Answer is all of the above. Do we have any famous personalities ? Answer is yes here is the link for famous personalties: http://naidukapu.blogspot.com/2009/09/kapu-famous-personalitieskapu-balija.html what is the culture, food habits and occupations ? http://indculture0.tripod.com/kapu.htm Do they carry caste title naidu or rao? Why are they compared to Reddy and Kamma naidu castes ? I guess both Telaga naidu and Kamma naidu fall under NAIDUS. Check out this link - http://naidumatrimony.com/ and click on Community drop down to see both Kamma and Telaga under one category Kindly update with above information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.134.38.244 ( talk) 02:46, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Folks, after my last round of research into the subject, I have become more sympathetic to the claims being made here. In particular, it appears that K. Srinivasulu is wrong. The Telagas are the farmers of the West and East Godavari districts. It is quite preposterous to say that all of them were "backward", whatever that might mean. The Godavari districts are fertile lands, the original home of the Telugu people dating back to the centuries BC. There is good evidence that "Telaga" is a derivative of "Telugu". I will fix these problems next time I come around to this topic. Cheers, Kautilya3 ( talk) 12:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Amit Rawat - Anyone add below information to Telaga caste Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Feudal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra.They have the caste title Naidu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.105 ( talk) 16:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Srivastava - So, what is the final call on Telaga caste today ? Are they forward caste or Other Caste / Backward. Is Telaga caste a sub caste of Kapu caste ? Why are they compared to Reddys and Kammas. What is the actual percentage of people in Andhra Pradesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.105 ( talk) 20:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Telagas are also referred to as Pedda Kapus, intermarry with Ontari and Balija Naidu subcastes of greater Kapu caste grouping.
These 3 subcastes are considered higher status and generally do not intermarry with Munnuru Kapus and Turpu Kapus.
Its similar to the distinction between Kuppa Velamas and Velama Doras subcastes of the Velama castes with later consider themselves higher status than former.
When it comes to status, the Kapus ( especially the Telagas + Balija Naidus + Ontaris), the Kammas, the Reddies and the Velamas are considered sat Shudras of Andhra and are influential dominant castes.
All these sat shudra communities have agro-military background with Balijas naidus diversifying into trade. Thus many have indeed served as Nayakas( military officers and administrative officers) and Zamindars in medeival polities. Much similar to Jats and Marathas in rest of India.
Please refer to : Politics and representation of caste identity in regional historiography: A case study of Kammas in Andhra by Yamada Keiko for further discussion of relative status of Telagas with Kammas and Reddies. Psi93 ( talk) 18:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
What is Telaga caste? Also Telaga caste is mostly confined to Andhra Pradesh only especially Coastal Andhra Pradesh. Telaga/Kapu means the same and they carry the title Dora which means Feudal Land Owning Castes.
Reliable source from newspaper: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/why-jagan-won-andhra-with-landslide/articleshow/69469739.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.128.74.224 ( talk • contribs) 16:56, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
This is not correct, can someone change it ?
Look at the latest news from Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh; Telaga is not included in Backward Caste
Very important, kindly read: Telugu Desam party proposed a 5% backward caste reservation plan to Kapu caste & its sub-castes in 2017 but this bill was never approved by the central government or government of india. YSR congress did not support this bill as well. So, in today's world they are FORWARD CASTE in ANDHRA PRADESH AND TELANGANA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.100.41 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, August 10, 2019 (UTC)
Reliable hot links for caste news updates: https://www.newssting.in/english/politics/andhra-pradesh/ap-govt-team-to-study-reservation-for-kapu-community — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.100.41 ( talk) 19:23, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-trouble-brewing-andhra-over-kapu-reservation-once-more-105610 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-trouble-brewing-andhra-over-kapu-reservation-once-more-105610 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.100.41 ( talk) 19:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@kautilya3 OBC and backward class are not the same. OBC as a category are used mainly for central reservations ( which Telagas never had)
Backward class is a generic label for reservation category used by states. Such as some Marathas in Maharashtra fall under special economic backward class category.
Needless to say as of 2019 the Telagas do not have reservations both at the center and at the state for Jaganmohan reddy has dismissed the motion for including 5 percent reservation for Kapus/Telegas in the state.
Please do not spread faulty information regarding Telegas by calling them OBCs.
It would have been different issue if they had actually received such benefits but as things stand today they don't. Psi93 ( talk) 01:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Take this paragraph in the introductory section :
"In 2017, all Kapus including Telagas were categorised among backward classes by the Government of Andhra Pradesh,[6][7][8] The classification was not accepted by the Central department of personnel and training"
This paragraph does not add any information of current relevance for in a later section we have this : "The Central department of personnel and training objected to the inclusion of Kapus as it was not supported by facts.[9] The government subsequently allocated 5% reservation out of the 10% allocated to Economically Weaker Sections. This too was found to be legally untenable, and the new government led by YSR Congress reversed the decision"
In short the decision to allocate qouta for Kapus has been reversed and was never accepted by the Central government in the first place.
I do not see any continued relevance of the paragraph I mentioned in the introductory section. If anything it promotes an image that the community is a backward caste as my recent experience indicates.
I understand what can be attributed to a mistake should never be attributed to malice. That being said given how toxic caste culture is India and the Indian side of the internet I cannot help but suspect this.
It's therefore requested of the admins to please remove this paragraph.
Thanks. Psi93 ( talk) 17:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
You have missed my point. I never said it did not happen.
I am merely saying that decision has been reversed. In other words the motion to provide Telagas/Kapus with 5 percent reservation in the state has been dismissed, so essentially so far Telagas have never received reservation benefits both at center and the state ( infact the center always rejected the notion that Telagas are a backward caste and hence never agreed to reservation just like Marathas and Jats)
Therefore the news item of 2017 which states Kapus have received so called backward class status is no longer relevant in 2019 as that decision has been reversed by Jaganmohan reddy
In light of that it is unfair to continue mentioning the original paragraph I referred as that promotes a mistaken assumption that Telaga Kapus are entitled to reservation and fall under the category of backward castes. Psi93 ( talk) 00:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
This is Raghav, i believe they are forward community as per andhra pradesh government reservations list. This caste is listed as OC or FC (Others or Froward Caste). I do agree with the user — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.4.18 ( talk) 21:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank your for your support @rajesh.
@Lourdes I agree that encyclopedia is supposed to provide a wholesome understanding when it comes to a given topic.
Hence I propose that when explaining the temporary inclusion of Kapus in specially created category of backward castes (BC-F)
It is pertinent to mention in the article, it's part of the larger struggle of agrarian upper castes to be included into state backward class lists and national OBC lists, due to agrarian distress and dismal job growth.
Such as how a section of Marathas in Maharashtra were granted reservation into educational institutes of Maharashtra despite belonging to general category.
That is link to the broader demands of Jats, Patidars(Patels), Marathas and even some group of Rajputs in North India.
Otherwise the Wikipedia entry will remain incomplete and it would promote wrong notions regarding the community, especially as OBC status, despite it being strictly based on economic and educational criterion is often used as proxy by the general public to impute the general social status of the caste.
Furthermore, a distinction ought to be drawn between state backward classes and Central OBC lists in the article for the term "backward class" in the article is a hyperlink to the article "OBC"
Please correct that at the earliest.
Thanks. Psi93 ( talk) 09:47, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Kapu caste people form half of the entire population in Andhra Pradesh . Kapu, Telaga, Balija, Ontari are Forward Caste. See below URL for reference https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/ysrcp-bjp-creating-rift-among-castes-naidu/article26072989.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.196.198 ( talk) 22:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Can someone update the Telaga article with good news and provide what was there past, where do they reside and are they spread all across the worldwide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.168.138 ( talk) 19:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Telaga people are Dravidian or Aryan race ? There history says they are OLD Aryan; What is Old aryan race ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.168.138 ( talk) 20:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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I have information regarding notable people. If you allow I can add it. Vikas4554 ( talk) 18:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Telaga population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.117.66.2 ( talk) 20:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Forward or backward ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.10.154.121 ( talk) 17:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Occupations, Wealthy people percentage, Education & Industries for Telaga caste ?
What is their percentage in Hyderabad, Vizag, Nellore and Tirupathi ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.119.139 ( talk) 20:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=List_of_Telugu_castes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.121.49.238 ( talk) 20:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Telaga is a community of agriculturists (Kapu) in the Andhra Pradesh concentrated in the Visakhapatnam, East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna and Guntur districts. smaller number in Vizianagaram and Srikakulam districts. Shivan Naiker ( talk) 09:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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@ Lourdes: I don't agree with this deletion. In the first place, it is not duplicating content from the Kapu (caste) page. It is about the status classification of the Telaga caste. Secondly, I don't think it is appropriate for unregistered users to go above our heads, so to speak, and get senior admins to make edits of their liking via Help desk requests. They haven't generated consensus here. Pinging Sitush as well. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 22:35, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Lourdes: Why don't we add a status column to this Telaga caste just like for its parent caste Kapu. Are they are classified as Forward caste today in modern history by current government instead of K Srinivasulu?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [([[User talk:#top|talk]]) 02:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Lourdes: Sigh. There are a lot of politics here, and there is reality too. We say a caste group is "backward" (or perhaps, more appropriately, "disadvantaged") if the economic indicators show that they are significantly lagging behind the rest of the population. My belief is that Telagas are indeed in that situation. However, they form a subcaste of Kapus, who are agricutlurists in general. So there seems to have been a lot of pushing and shoving to make sure that they are not treated differently from the overall Kapu group. The government goofed at some point, and it hasn't been able to correct the situation despite some efforts. (This was the point of the blogpost that you deleted, which was mostly giving factual information.)
Now, in terms of caste politics, almost all castes want the forward caste status and backward caste status at the same time, the former for the glory and the latter for the affirmative action benefits. Obviously, that can't happen. So, while their caste members are campaigning to get labelled as "forward caste" here, the other membes are protesting on the streets asking for "backward caste" status. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] The irony of this is totally lost on them!
Officially, the government doesn't award anything called a "forward caste" status. The term is used informally as the opposite of "backward". But it doesn't really mean much. It is just saying that they are in the default category. That is why Sitush and I resisted putting "forward caste" in the infobox. We don't have any positive information that demonstrates the forwardness of the caste. For some castes such as Brahmins and Rajputs, the forwardness is obvious, and we can find plenty of reliable sources that attest to their forwardness. But that is not the case here. In fact, there is considerable evidence that they are not forward, as the above references imply.
The Government Order you cited somehow lets them have the cake and eat it too. They are not officially branded as "backward", but some of the money earmarked for backward castes is being chanelled to them. That might be best in terms of the practicality of politics. But it would mean that we shouldn't label them as forward in the infobox, because tomorrow somebody can come and complain that we are labelling them as "forward" while they are getting money meant for backward castes. The reality is probably that they are somehwere in between. Cheers, Kautilya3 ( talk) 19:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
"...whatever was the reality during the British times continues to be so today. So, I will reinstate that..."You may of course reinstate that; but do consider not using the blogspot source to support the same. Thanks for the edits you have made till now; they add good value and structure. Warmly. Lourdes 02:41, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid several points are being missed here.
Telaga per se refers to what we know as Pedda Kapus in the east Godavari and northern districts of Andhra.
The Pedda Kapus of west Godavari and Krishna regions are generally referred to as Kapu.
These groups are called Pedda Kapu/Telaga in order to distinguish them from Turpu Kapus who are considered lower in status and between whom intermarriage is looked down upon.
A comparable distinction would be between Kuppa Velama and Velama dora subcaste which are part of the same Velama caste.
The Velama Doras are considered higher in status and generally intermarry among themselves.
Similarly the Pedda Kapu and Ontari subcaste consider themselves higher than Turpu Kapus and intermarry among themselves.
Furthermore Balija as a term is confusingly applied to two castes. One is the caste of Balija Naidus who form the subcaste of greater Kapu community and then we have the caste of Toddy tappers who are known as Chetty Balijas in Andhra and as Gouds in Telangana.
Further complicating the problem is many lower castes often attempt to pass of the dominant castes in their respective regions, thus in regions where Pedda Kapus are dominant the Chetti Balijas try to pass of as Kapus trying to take advantage of the Balija name.
This had confused the British census takers in the past who were not very accurate in classifying caste and their status. Such as the Kanarese bunts living in Southern Andhra were classified into Balija Naidu grouping by them. See David Washbrook et al for the same. Similarly the Mudiraj community of Telangana also sometimes are called as Telagas despite there being no connection between Mudirajs and Telagas/Pedda Kapus of coastal Andhra.
In any case the Pedda Kapus + Vantaris + Balija Naidus are of similar status as Reddies of Rayalseema and Telangana and Kammas. ( it's a different issue that Kammas also used to have high low subcastes which were eventually done away with due to their collective action and intermarriage) and the Velama Doras. These are the sat Shudra castes of Andhra and are of equivalent status( please see, Politics and representation of caste identity in regional historiography: A case study of Kammas in Andhra by Yamada Keiko, for the same)
Now it's upto wisdom of the admin as to what status they wish to classify these castes as, but Kapus ( Pedda Kapu /Telaga + Ontari + Balija Naidus) must be classified in the same category as rest of the sat Shudra.
The caste status coloumn if it must exist, should most definitely reflect the on ground status of the caste in question for its often used as reference by people outside the state. (caste afterall is a local phenomenon and castes status operate usually at state levels).
Afterall it's after taking a look at the on ground conditions did the central government reject the reservations for Kapu community ( Pedda Kapu + Ontari and Balija Naidu), the Munnuru Kapus and Turpu Kapus already enjoy reservation.
Similar were the reasons for reversing the decision for 5 percent qouta for Kapus by Jaganmohan reddy.
Wikipedia has now become the first point of reference for all things related to caste for better or worse and hence the responsibility of the admin is greater. It's imperative they understand the nuance of caste in Andhra before they add any information. Else the best course might be to delete the page rather than spread wrong ideas. Psi93 ( talk) 17:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
The following request was made at EAR and is being copied here for someone versed in the subject matter of this article to deal with. — TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:48, 6 November 2017 (UTC) (Not watching this page):
This is incorrect - In 2002, K. Srinivasulu describes Telaga as a "backward peasant caste". Government records indicate they are forward caste[7] Correction - Telaga caste was never categorized under Backward peasant caste after the formation of andhra pradesh state in 1956 though various efforts were made to include them under Backward category. So K. Srinivasulu analysis is indeed wrong. Also , they are vaishnavites in general. What is there varna ? Are they kshatriyas/Kings/Warriors in olden times? Answer is all of the above. Do we have any famous personalities ? Answer is yes here is the link for famous personalties: http://naidukapu.blogspot.com/2009/09/kapu-famous-personalitieskapu-balija.html what is the culture, food habits and occupations ? http://indculture0.tripod.com/kapu.htm Do they carry caste title naidu or rao? Why are they compared to Reddy and Kamma naidu castes ? I guess both Telaga naidu and Kamma naidu fall under NAIDUS. Check out this link - http://naidumatrimony.com/ and click on Community drop down to see both Kamma and Telaga under one category Kindly update with above information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.134.38.244 ( talk) 02:46, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Folks, after my last round of research into the subject, I have become more sympathetic to the claims being made here. In particular, it appears that K. Srinivasulu is wrong. The Telagas are the farmers of the West and East Godavari districts. It is quite preposterous to say that all of them were "backward", whatever that might mean. The Godavari districts are fertile lands, the original home of the Telugu people dating back to the centuries BC. There is good evidence that "Telaga" is a derivative of "Telugu". I will fix these problems next time I come around to this topic. Cheers, Kautilya3 ( talk) 12:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Amit Rawat - Anyone add below information to Telaga caste Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Feudal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra.They have the caste title Naidu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.105 ( talk) 16:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Srivastava - So, what is the final call on Telaga caste today ? Are they forward caste or Other Caste / Backward. Is Telaga caste a sub caste of Kapu caste ? Why are they compared to Reddys and Kammas. What is the actual percentage of people in Andhra Pradesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.105 ( talk) 20:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Telagas are also referred to as Pedda Kapus, intermarry with Ontari and Balija Naidu subcastes of greater Kapu caste grouping.
These 3 subcastes are considered higher status and generally do not intermarry with Munnuru Kapus and Turpu Kapus.
Its similar to the distinction between Kuppa Velamas and Velama Doras subcastes of the Velama castes with later consider themselves higher status than former.
When it comes to status, the Kapus ( especially the Telagas + Balija Naidus + Ontaris), the Kammas, the Reddies and the Velamas are considered sat Shudras of Andhra and are influential dominant castes.
All these sat shudra communities have agro-military background with Balijas naidus diversifying into trade. Thus many have indeed served as Nayakas( military officers and administrative officers) and Zamindars in medeival polities. Much similar to Jats and Marathas in rest of India.
Please refer to : Politics and representation of caste identity in regional historiography: A case study of Kammas in Andhra by Yamada Keiko for further discussion of relative status of Telagas with Kammas and Reddies. Psi93 ( talk) 18:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
What is Telaga caste? Also Telaga caste is mostly confined to Andhra Pradesh only especially Coastal Andhra Pradesh. Telaga/Kapu means the same and they carry the title Dora which means Feudal Land Owning Castes.
Reliable source from newspaper: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/why-jagan-won-andhra-with-landslide/articleshow/69469739.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 40.128.74.224 ( talk • contribs) 16:56, May 27, 2019 (UTC)
This is not correct, can someone change it ?
Look at the latest news from Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh; Telaga is not included in Backward Caste
Very important, kindly read: Telugu Desam party proposed a 5% backward caste reservation plan to Kapu caste & its sub-castes in 2017 but this bill was never approved by the central government or government of india. YSR congress did not support this bill as well. So, in today's world they are FORWARD CASTE in ANDHRA PRADESH AND TELANGANA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.100.41 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, August 10, 2019 (UTC)
Reliable hot links for caste news updates: https://www.newssting.in/english/politics/andhra-pradesh/ap-govt-team-to-study-reservation-for-kapu-community — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.100.41 ( talk) 19:23, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-trouble-brewing-andhra-over-kapu-reservation-once-more-105610 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-trouble-brewing-andhra-over-kapu-reservation-once-more-105610 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.100.41 ( talk) 19:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@kautilya3 OBC and backward class are not the same. OBC as a category are used mainly for central reservations ( which Telagas never had)
Backward class is a generic label for reservation category used by states. Such as some Marathas in Maharashtra fall under special economic backward class category.
Needless to say as of 2019 the Telagas do not have reservations both at the center and at the state for Jaganmohan reddy has dismissed the motion for including 5 percent reservation for Kapus/Telegas in the state.
Please do not spread faulty information regarding Telegas by calling them OBCs.
It would have been different issue if they had actually received such benefits but as things stand today they don't. Psi93 ( talk) 01:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Take this paragraph in the introductory section :
"In 2017, all Kapus including Telagas were categorised among backward classes by the Government of Andhra Pradesh,[6][7][8] The classification was not accepted by the Central department of personnel and training"
This paragraph does not add any information of current relevance for in a later section we have this : "The Central department of personnel and training objected to the inclusion of Kapus as it was not supported by facts.[9] The government subsequently allocated 5% reservation out of the 10% allocated to Economically Weaker Sections. This too was found to be legally untenable, and the new government led by YSR Congress reversed the decision"
In short the decision to allocate qouta for Kapus has been reversed and was never accepted by the Central government in the first place.
I do not see any continued relevance of the paragraph I mentioned in the introductory section. If anything it promotes an image that the community is a backward caste as my recent experience indicates.
I understand what can be attributed to a mistake should never be attributed to malice. That being said given how toxic caste culture is India and the Indian side of the internet I cannot help but suspect this.
It's therefore requested of the admins to please remove this paragraph.
Thanks. Psi93 ( talk) 17:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
You have missed my point. I never said it did not happen.
I am merely saying that decision has been reversed. In other words the motion to provide Telagas/Kapus with 5 percent reservation in the state has been dismissed, so essentially so far Telagas have never received reservation benefits both at center and the state ( infact the center always rejected the notion that Telagas are a backward caste and hence never agreed to reservation just like Marathas and Jats)
Therefore the news item of 2017 which states Kapus have received so called backward class status is no longer relevant in 2019 as that decision has been reversed by Jaganmohan reddy
In light of that it is unfair to continue mentioning the original paragraph I referred as that promotes a mistaken assumption that Telaga Kapus are entitled to reservation and fall under the category of backward castes. Psi93 ( talk) 00:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
This is Raghav, i believe they are forward community as per andhra pradesh government reservations list. This caste is listed as OC or FC (Others or Froward Caste). I do agree with the user — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.4.18 ( talk) 21:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank your for your support @rajesh.
@Lourdes I agree that encyclopedia is supposed to provide a wholesome understanding when it comes to a given topic.
Hence I propose that when explaining the temporary inclusion of Kapus in specially created category of backward castes (BC-F)
It is pertinent to mention in the article, it's part of the larger struggle of agrarian upper castes to be included into state backward class lists and national OBC lists, due to agrarian distress and dismal job growth.
Such as how a section of Marathas in Maharashtra were granted reservation into educational institutes of Maharashtra despite belonging to general category.
That is link to the broader demands of Jats, Patidars(Patels), Marathas and even some group of Rajputs in North India.
Otherwise the Wikipedia entry will remain incomplete and it would promote wrong notions regarding the community, especially as OBC status, despite it being strictly based on economic and educational criterion is often used as proxy by the general public to impute the general social status of the caste.
Furthermore, a distinction ought to be drawn between state backward classes and Central OBC lists in the article for the term "backward class" in the article is a hyperlink to the article "OBC"
Please correct that at the earliest.
Thanks. Psi93 ( talk) 09:47, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Kapu caste people form half of the entire population in Andhra Pradesh . Kapu, Telaga, Balija, Ontari are Forward Caste. See below URL for reference https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/ysrcp-bjp-creating-rift-among-castes-naidu/article26072989.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.196.198 ( talk) 22:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Can someone update the Telaga article with good news and provide what was there past, where do they reside and are they spread all across the worldwide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.168.138 ( talk) 19:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Telaga people are Dravidian or Aryan race ? There history says they are OLD Aryan; What is Old aryan race ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.58.168.138 ( talk) 20:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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I have information regarding notable people. If you allow I can add it. Vikas4554 ( talk) 18:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Telaga population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.117.66.2 ( talk) 20:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Forward or backward ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.10.154.121 ( talk) 17:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Occupations, Wealthy people percentage, Education & Industries for Telaga caste ?
What is their percentage in Hyderabad, Vizag, Nellore and Tirupathi ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.119.139 ( talk) 20:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=List_of_Telugu_castes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.121.49.238 ( talk) 20:08, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Telaga is a community of agriculturists (Kapu) in the Andhra Pradesh concentrated in the Visakhapatnam, East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna and Guntur districts. smaller number in Vizianagaram and Srikakulam districts. Shivan Naiker ( talk) 09:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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Reference (6) and content related to reference (6) need to be removed, as the referenced content no more available and the referenced document retrieved in 2011. Ganesh888 ( talk) 15:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Reference (6) and content related to reference (6) need to be removed, as the referenced content no more available and the referenced document retrieved in 2011. Ganesh888 ( talk) 15:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Entry error... It's reference 7 not 6 Ganesh888 ( talk) 15:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)