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I think we should probably not use the term "impure" in English as it can be mispercieved as a slur. Like, in Turkish or Chechen it might not be a problem, but in English, calling people "impure in blood"... might not fly. -- Yalens ( talk) 22:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Would it be helpful to general readers to note the origin of the word teip in the word wikt:طائفة ( wikt:taifa) and the fact that the word taifa is used in English by scholars of the history of the Iberian Peninsula [1]? All of that could go in Wiktionary, but at present there are no entries in Wiktionary (and none at m-w.com either) for English words of Arabic, (Castilian) Spanish, or Chechen origin taifa, taip, taipa, or teip. (...if you don't count wikt:taifa an English word of Arabic origin in English Wikipedia, for the reason that it's identified there as a Swahili word rather than an English or Arabic one.) -- Hoziron ( talk) 14:22, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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WikiEditor1234567123 Assalamu Aleykum, i want to continue the topic we had in my talk page here instead. I think there was a bit miscommunication there, i thought you meant that you wanted to add Ingush teips (Vyappi and Ghuloy) to the Aukh section in teip list of Chechen tukkhums. I noticed that you added it below Ingush Shahars, i dont think this makes any sense since Aukhoy are Chechens and not an Ingush ethno-territorial society (Shahar) although i agree that some teips have Ingush origins. The two Dagestani sources you listed also say Aukhoy (Chechenci Akkinci) are Chechens, every census lists them as either Chechens or Akkinci-Chechenci too. I'll remove the Aukhoy section from Ingush teips okay? Ghuloy teip is already under Orstkhoy (Guloy) and Vyappi is already designated as the Fyappi shahar anyway in the Ingush list.
Also regarding Z'ogoi, the two Dagestani sources you provided don't have a source for their claim that Z'ogoi is an Ingush teip, i think we need to have a better source before we can also claim it's Ingush. The Chechen lingist Arsakhanov was the first one that connected it to Ingush in 1959 i think, but he only compared Z'ogoi to "Zakoi Nekye" in Ingushetia. He didn't elaborate much on it and didn't really claim that it's the same thing to be honest. I checked the Russian Wikipedia article on Z'ogoi and found that Malsagov mentions "Zokoev" (that came from Chechnya due to blood feud) among Ingush clans but i am not sure if he says it's connected to Z'ogoi teip itself, i can't find a pdf file of the source though (Происхождение ингушских фамилий, Мальсагов Х., Ингушетия, 2004 г.), do you have it? In my opinion we need an ethnographic source that elaborates on Zakoy-Z'ogoi connection (if any) like for example the Aukh Vyappi we know they are Fyappi due to their Teptar where they state they come from Tyarsh, Ingushetia. Otherwise one could assume the Vyappi in Aukh are connected to their neighboring Biltoy teip which has a big branch called "Vyappi nekye". Goddard2000 ( talk) 11:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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Would it be helpful to general readers to note the origin of the word teip in the word wikt:طائفة ( wikt:taifa) and the fact that the word taifa is used in English by scholars of the history of the Iberian Peninsula [1]? All of that could go in Wiktionary, but at present there are no entries in Wiktionary (and none at m-w.com either) for English words of Arabic, (Castilian) Spanish, or Chechen origin taifa, taip, taipa, or teip. (...if you don't count wikt:taifa an English word of Arabic origin in English Wikipedia, for the reason that it's identified there as a Swahili word rather than an English or Arabic one.) -- Hoziron ( talk) 14:22, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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WikiEditor1234567123 Assalamu Aleykum, i want to continue the topic we had in my talk page here instead. I think there was a bit miscommunication there, i thought you meant that you wanted to add Ingush teips (Vyappi and Ghuloy) to the Aukh section in teip list of Chechen tukkhums. I noticed that you added it below Ingush Shahars, i dont think this makes any sense since Aukhoy are Chechens and not an Ingush ethno-territorial society (Shahar) although i agree that some teips have Ingush origins. The two Dagestani sources you listed also say Aukhoy (Chechenci Akkinci) are Chechens, every census lists them as either Chechens or Akkinci-Chechenci too. I'll remove the Aukhoy section from Ingush teips okay? Ghuloy teip is already under Orstkhoy (Guloy) and Vyappi is already designated as the Fyappi shahar anyway in the Ingush list.
Also regarding Z'ogoi, the two Dagestani sources you provided don't have a source for their claim that Z'ogoi is an Ingush teip, i think we need to have a better source before we can also claim it's Ingush. The Chechen lingist Arsakhanov was the first one that connected it to Ingush in 1959 i think, but he only compared Z'ogoi to "Zakoi Nekye" in Ingushetia. He didn't elaborate much on it and didn't really claim that it's the same thing to be honest. I checked the Russian Wikipedia article on Z'ogoi and found that Malsagov mentions "Zokoev" (that came from Chechnya due to blood feud) among Ingush clans but i am not sure if he says it's connected to Z'ogoi teip itself, i can't find a pdf file of the source though (Происхождение ингушских фамилий, Мальсагов Х., Ингушетия, 2004 г.), do you have it? In my opinion we need an ethnographic source that elaborates on Zakoy-Z'ogoi connection (if any) like for example the Aukh Vyappi we know they are Fyappi due to their Teptar where they state they come from Tyarsh, Ingushetia. Otherwise one could assume the Vyappi in Aukh are connected to their neighboring Biltoy teip which has a big branch called "Vyappi nekye". Goddard2000 ( talk) 11:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)