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I strongly recommend we follow the Sam & Max Save the World approach and avoid creating separate articles for each episode. The only two things that will change are plot and reception, and they will no development section. Now, it may be unlike the S&M episodes that each of these gets a lot of coverage as the first one did, but given what has happened with each of the other TTG episodic series (the first gets a lot of attention, the rest dribble out, noted but not heralded by trumpets), its unlikely there will be as much in the future. -- MASEM ( t) 13:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm removing the merge tag for now. There's no consensus to merge the article, but likewise no consensus to keep it either. I suggest we leave it as-is for the moment, but be wary of creating new episode articles later. We will need to re-evaluate this when all chapters are released and we know what direction this article is going in. -- Sabre ( talk) 10:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Comment As with TV episodes, I still think should follow Wikipedia:Episode. In which case, it makes no difference if the story is split-up or continuous. All that matters is that the episodes receive notable coverage from outside sources that does not just include reviews. The seasons of TV shows often have one continuous arc, and stand alone episodes. It still doesn't mean we make an article for each and every episode. After all is said and done, maybe an episode or two will warrant its own article, maybe they all will, maybe none will. I agree with S@bre when he/she said ""I suggest we leave it as-is for the moment, but be wary of creating new episode articles later. We will need to re-evaluate this when all chapters are released"" 24.190.34.219 ( talk) 06:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Comment whilst we argue, how about we at least now create an article about The Siege of Spinner Cay? -- Victory93 ( talk) 09:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC) Further Comment I've been comparing between an episode of Sam & Max and an episode of Tales and there are differences. An episode of Tales has longer gameplay than episode of Sam & Max. A Tales episode has different music tracks than Sam & Max. An episode of Sam & Max has at least 4 to 5 different tracks whilst an episode of Tales at least 6 to 9. Each episode of Tales is written by different writers. In Tales, nearly every character you meet has a deep in-depth backstory which the character tells that including the subject of the episode whilst in Sam & Max, the character just usualay talks about what's the subject of the episode. Also each episode of Tales has been accompined by a what if cartoon. So these are just some reasons to why Tales should have individual articles about each episode. -- Victory93 ( talk) 09:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
This argument has gone too long. Now if we made all into one article than seperate articles, the page would be too long. Seperate articles about each episode is sufficient. Now can we end this didcussion and create articles for the rest of the episodes. This argument is going back to before the first episode was even released so now that you can see the episodes now are bigger than what expected before so be safe to say, have seperate articles for each. Plus if you episode 1, dealt with more one entire island exploration. Episode 2, an entire region of islands to sale through. Episode 3, trapped inside a giant creature and exploring underwater. And also, those who disagree, have you even played any of the episodes? -- Victory93 ( talk) 01:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
My recent creation of the articles for episode 2-4 has been deleted with the rationale that a consensus had been reached to wait until the series is complete. I can see no such consensus, only 4 people who are for merging, 4 people who are against it with no decision reached. Waiting for the whole series to complete has been mentioned, but was not voted on. As always, since having more articles on Wikipedia does not hurt anyone, I would suggest creating the articles. People who are for merging can work on the main article and ignore the rest, there is no harm in having additional information. Reasons for having separate articles:
Should no decision be reached now, please remember for the future that started versions for each article can be found in the history. -- Vnci ( talk) 23:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
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Alright, I've been bold and redirected the painfully and incurably underdeveloped LotSN article to here: given that all four sources and by extension all relevant real-world information from that page are already in this article, no further merging is required. I'm going to take a few minutes to explain this rationale, based on the situation regarding to sourcing, redundancy and presentation of information. This move is liable to be unpopular with the Monkey Island fans who don't fully understand how Wikipedia is meant to deal with articles on fictional works, which is why I am doing this summary.
So there you have it. I've tried to make that as clear and readable as I can. I would ask that such articles are not restored unless the major issues I've presented here can be resolved and a decent article can actually emerge from it (which, certainly if other TTG games are anything to go by, is simply not possible). The basic jist of that is simply that the sourcing situation simply does not lend itself to the creation of any meaningful episode articles, as key information needed for quality article construction is non-existent even after six months, and any other real-world information is simply redundant to what is already in this article. Plot simply isn't an acceptable reason for spinning out, though Wikipedia can provide a link to the Monkey Island Wikia for those fans who want to read all the indepth plot details of each episode. -- Sabre ( talk) 01:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
This morning I subdivided the synopsis into different chapters, and got reverted because the narrative is continuous
I did not split up the synopsis because the game comes in different episodes (note that I used the word "chapter" and not "episode" on purpose), but because the synopsis is already about 40 lines long. Imagine after release of episode 5, is it going to be 100 lines long (one and a half screen for me) ? No one would want to read it 90.39.199.125 ( talk) 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I've just shoved up some references for the release dates in the table, for the Windows and American WiiWare dates. However, I'm having trouble finding references for the European WiiWare release dates. Telltale Games' own news doesn't cover the European releases of chapters one and four, and I can't find backup ones elsewhere. If anyone else can provide decent references for these dates, that would be much appreciated. -- Sabre ( talk) 15:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I've finished playing this game, and I couldn't help but notice how this game went out of its way to avoid referencing Escape From Monkey Island. For example, in "The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood," when Elaine goes to the stand as a witness, she explicitly mentions what happened to her in the first three games - but makes no mention whatsoever of what happened in Escape. In fact, she cuts directly to talking about comparatively trivial matters. There are no references to Herman Toothrot, Elaine's continuity-confused grandfather, Ozzie Mandril, etc. Just about all of the series-related recurring jokes relate to the first three games. The only possible references I heard to Escape was in the last chapter when Guybrush mentions that LeChuck took the form of a giant statue, and one of the earlier chapters where Guybrush said that something look like clothing for a dingo. Did anyone else notice this? Personally, I think this is no accident because of the negative fan reaction to Escape's plot holes. I feel that this observation deserves at least a little more research, if not a brief mention. -- WizardOfTheCDrive ( talk) 21:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Several years ago, I read that when LucasArts was approached with the question "Will there be a Monkey Island 5?", they laughed and remained silent on the issue. Fans of Monkey Island were hugely disappointed with this, especially since there had been rumor around 2004 or 2005 that the idea had been abandoned entirely. I figured this information is relevant to the article, so I did a bit of research and came up with a bit. I also managed to revive some paragraphs from an old version of the Monkey Island article that seemed pertinent.
I would appreciate if anyone could verify the "rumor" that the game was in fact scheduled for a July 2005 release and then cancelled. If you can verify this, please replace the IGN Boards reference with a more reliable one, possibly a press release or something. Bob the Wikipedian ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Your article on Tales of Monkey Island stated that "Ports for Mac OS X and the PlayStation Network were released several months after the series ended." But I have heard talk in the Telltale Games forums that Tales may have a second season in about a year or so. Is Tales only the first season in the series? -- Angeldeb82 ( talk) 16:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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I strongly recommend we follow the Sam & Max Save the World approach and avoid creating separate articles for each episode. The only two things that will change are plot and reception, and they will no development section. Now, it may be unlike the S&M episodes that each of these gets a lot of coverage as the first one did, but given what has happened with each of the other TTG episodic series (the first gets a lot of attention, the rest dribble out, noted but not heralded by trumpets), its unlikely there will be as much in the future. -- MASEM ( t) 13:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm removing the merge tag for now. There's no consensus to merge the article, but likewise no consensus to keep it either. I suggest we leave it as-is for the moment, but be wary of creating new episode articles later. We will need to re-evaluate this when all chapters are released and we know what direction this article is going in. -- Sabre ( talk) 10:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Comment As with TV episodes, I still think should follow Wikipedia:Episode. In which case, it makes no difference if the story is split-up or continuous. All that matters is that the episodes receive notable coverage from outside sources that does not just include reviews. The seasons of TV shows often have one continuous arc, and stand alone episodes. It still doesn't mean we make an article for each and every episode. After all is said and done, maybe an episode or two will warrant its own article, maybe they all will, maybe none will. I agree with S@bre when he/she said ""I suggest we leave it as-is for the moment, but be wary of creating new episode articles later. We will need to re-evaluate this when all chapters are released"" 24.190.34.219 ( talk) 06:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Comment whilst we argue, how about we at least now create an article about The Siege of Spinner Cay? -- Victory93 ( talk) 09:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC) Further Comment I've been comparing between an episode of Sam & Max and an episode of Tales and there are differences. An episode of Tales has longer gameplay than episode of Sam & Max. A Tales episode has different music tracks than Sam & Max. An episode of Sam & Max has at least 4 to 5 different tracks whilst an episode of Tales at least 6 to 9. Each episode of Tales is written by different writers. In Tales, nearly every character you meet has a deep in-depth backstory which the character tells that including the subject of the episode whilst in Sam & Max, the character just usualay talks about what's the subject of the episode. Also each episode of Tales has been accompined by a what if cartoon. So these are just some reasons to why Tales should have individual articles about each episode. -- Victory93 ( talk) 09:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
This argument has gone too long. Now if we made all into one article than seperate articles, the page would be too long. Seperate articles about each episode is sufficient. Now can we end this didcussion and create articles for the rest of the episodes. This argument is going back to before the first episode was even released so now that you can see the episodes now are bigger than what expected before so be safe to say, have seperate articles for each. Plus if you episode 1, dealt with more one entire island exploration. Episode 2, an entire region of islands to sale through. Episode 3, trapped inside a giant creature and exploring underwater. And also, those who disagree, have you even played any of the episodes? -- Victory93 ( talk) 01:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
My recent creation of the articles for episode 2-4 has been deleted with the rationale that a consensus had been reached to wait until the series is complete. I can see no such consensus, only 4 people who are for merging, 4 people who are against it with no decision reached. Waiting for the whole series to complete has been mentioned, but was not voted on. As always, since having more articles on Wikipedia does not hurt anyone, I would suggest creating the articles. People who are for merging can work on the main article and ignore the rest, there is no harm in having additional information. Reasons for having separate articles:
Should no decision be reached now, please remember for the future that started versions for each article can be found in the history. -- Vnci ( talk) 23:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
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Alright, I've been bold and redirected the painfully and incurably underdeveloped LotSN article to here: given that all four sources and by extension all relevant real-world information from that page are already in this article, no further merging is required. I'm going to take a few minutes to explain this rationale, based on the situation regarding to sourcing, redundancy and presentation of information. This move is liable to be unpopular with the Monkey Island fans who don't fully understand how Wikipedia is meant to deal with articles on fictional works, which is why I am doing this summary.
So there you have it. I've tried to make that as clear and readable as I can. I would ask that such articles are not restored unless the major issues I've presented here can be resolved and a decent article can actually emerge from it (which, certainly if other TTG games are anything to go by, is simply not possible). The basic jist of that is simply that the sourcing situation simply does not lend itself to the creation of any meaningful episode articles, as key information needed for quality article construction is non-existent even after six months, and any other real-world information is simply redundant to what is already in this article. Plot simply isn't an acceptable reason for spinning out, though Wikipedia can provide a link to the Monkey Island Wikia for those fans who want to read all the indepth plot details of each episode. -- Sabre ( talk) 01:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
This morning I subdivided the synopsis into different chapters, and got reverted because the narrative is continuous
I did not split up the synopsis because the game comes in different episodes (note that I used the word "chapter" and not "episode" on purpose), but because the synopsis is already about 40 lines long. Imagine after release of episode 5, is it going to be 100 lines long (one and a half screen for me) ? No one would want to read it 90.39.199.125 ( talk) 09:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I've just shoved up some references for the release dates in the table, for the Windows and American WiiWare dates. However, I'm having trouble finding references for the European WiiWare release dates. Telltale Games' own news doesn't cover the European releases of chapters one and four, and I can't find backup ones elsewhere. If anyone else can provide decent references for these dates, that would be much appreciated. -- Sabre ( talk) 15:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I've finished playing this game, and I couldn't help but notice how this game went out of its way to avoid referencing Escape From Monkey Island. For example, in "The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood," when Elaine goes to the stand as a witness, she explicitly mentions what happened to her in the first three games - but makes no mention whatsoever of what happened in Escape. In fact, she cuts directly to talking about comparatively trivial matters. There are no references to Herman Toothrot, Elaine's continuity-confused grandfather, Ozzie Mandril, etc. Just about all of the series-related recurring jokes relate to the first three games. The only possible references I heard to Escape was in the last chapter when Guybrush mentions that LeChuck took the form of a giant statue, and one of the earlier chapters where Guybrush said that something look like clothing for a dingo. Did anyone else notice this? Personally, I think this is no accident because of the negative fan reaction to Escape's plot holes. I feel that this observation deserves at least a little more research, if not a brief mention. -- WizardOfTheCDrive ( talk) 21:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Several years ago, I read that when LucasArts was approached with the question "Will there be a Monkey Island 5?", they laughed and remained silent on the issue. Fans of Monkey Island were hugely disappointed with this, especially since there had been rumor around 2004 or 2005 that the idea had been abandoned entirely. I figured this information is relevant to the article, so I did a bit of research and came up with a bit. I also managed to revive some paragraphs from an old version of the Monkey Island article that seemed pertinent.
I would appreciate if anyone could verify the "rumor" that the game was in fact scheduled for a July 2005 release and then cancelled. If you can verify this, please replace the IGN Boards reference with a more reliable one, possibly a press release or something. Bob the Wikipedian ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Your article on Tales of Monkey Island stated that "Ports for Mac OS X and the PlayStation Network were released several months after the series ended." But I have heard talk in the Telltale Games forums that Tales may have a second season in about a year or so. Is Tales only the first season in the series? -- Angeldeb82 ( talk) 16:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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