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Please note that Tabriz is Azerbaijani city and its main inhabitants have been Azerbaijanis. Its culutre and carpets have been and are part of the Azerbaijani civilization, culture and history. Azerbaijanis have nothing to do with Persians and Persia, other than the fact that it has been divided into two parts: Iranian Azerbaijan and Rusian Azerbaijan. The Iranian Azerbaijan with its capital Tarbiz is still under the persian occupation. The Russian Azerbaijan has become independent in 1991. The iranian Azerbaijan will soon gain its independence as well. I just want to say that as Azerbaijani I have nothing to do with persian, no relation netiher by ethnicity, nor by religion. We are different civilizations, different people and different history. Please, don't call Tabriz rug as Persian rug. It hurts. -- 68.49.90.60 03:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov, be warned. YOu are vandalizing this web site. THere is not such a thing as iran. There is a Islamic Republic of Iran. Tabriz carpet is Azerbaijani carpet as most of the people in Tabriz are Azerbaijanis and they are the ones who make these carpets. Azerbaijanis are not Persians. See Wikipedia Azerbaijani section for more information. If you repeat your vandalism, I will call for arbitration and they will define who is right. -- Rembranth 17:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Even if you object to the term Persian, it should be changed to Iranian and not Azerbaijani! This rug became famous long before any country called Azerbaijan existed. And the area that it is produced in is part of Iran and not the country called Azerbaijan therefore the flag of Azerbaijan is completely wrong for this article. There can be a debate on Persian vs Iranian but that is all. Gol 00:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov and Gol, what you say and argue are nothing more but arguments of persian schauvinists. Of course there is Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis are Tukic origin people who have serveral times defetaed Persia, persian and Iran and ruled it for over 1000 years. Please, go and learn your geography as well. The region is called Iran and iran does not represent nationality. The carpets and rugs of Tabriz as they are made by Azerbaijanis are Azerbaijani carpets and they shoudl be known so. You have abducted Tabrixz carpets when Azerbaijan is divided by Russa and Persia.Northern Azerbaijan is independent and Southern Azerbaijan will become independent soon.
But as to the name of the carpets, the carpets made by Azerbaijanis needs to be called Azerbaijani. I am not persian, neither iranaian. I am Azerbaijani and proud of this.I have nothing to do with persia and persians. My land, my culture, my language, my civilization are totally different than persian ones. Please, don't confuse. -- Rembranth 14:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Also please don't distort governance and existence facts about Islamic Republic of Iran. There is no Iran, there is Islamic Republic of Iran and Azerbaijan is the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran, not the Iran. Please, learn your history. You may or may not like this regime, but this is a fact and you have to accept it. Please, avoit mixing this with your natinoalistic feelings about Iran. -- Rembranth 14:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Tabriz is and has been a part of Iran (Persia) for millenia. Therefore the carpets from there is known simply as persian rug along with carpets from other parts of Iran/persia. The fact that it is called "perisan" is simply a historical relic from the time when Iran was known as persia in the west. One could argue that it sould be called Iranian rug, but defenitely not azeri, since the city where it is made is not a part of the recently founded republic of Azerbaijan. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a propaganda forum for pan-turkists who predict independence or other political occurrances for Iranian(persian) provinces. Please stop your POV. This is not a political discussion forum.
I dont know what you have been taught in your schools, but historical facts, historical records, DNA testing, culture, and numerous other things support us, and disprove the propaganda that, unfortunatly, is being taught in your schools and universities. These are the things they dont teach you in north Azerbaijan and Turkey, and I dont blame you, I have met countless Turks online that have the same opinions and thoughts that you do, and its not your fault, its the fault of the system. Khosrow II 15:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov, your arguments are counter productive and lack evidence. Yes DNA tests have revealed that my ancestors are the mixture of Turks and local Caucasian Albanians, who have been living in the region for thousands of years and have been local tribes. I hope you don't want to say that Babek was also a persian.
For each of your arguments above I can bring multi-arguments that Azerbaijnanis are Turkic origin people, by language, by ethnicity, by culture, by even looking. Look at a typcial Azerbaijani. Do you see anything closer or familiar with persians. I look at myself, netiher the color of my skin, nor my looking indicate that I have anything to do with Persians. persians are Ariyans and my History and DNA tests indicate that I am Turkic and Caucasian Albanian.
Tabriz have been mostly Azerbaijani by almost three thousand years. It has been the capital of the historical Azerbaijan untill 1812 and will be the capital of the future united Azerbaijan forever. You will see it I am sure.
The carpets made by Azerbaijanis belong to Azerbaijani culture and civilization and it shoudl be known this way. For more information abotu Azerbiajnais look at wikipedia or other creidble sources.
It is your history curriculum which is totally wrong and based on persian chauvinism, not my history. ALso please leave your subjective arguments. The history is written and carpets are weaven when I write this. And the people who write the hisotry of Tabriz and make the Tabriz carpets are Azerbiajanis, hence they belong to Azerbaijani civilizations. Stip vanbdalizing this web page.
For your information also, there is no iran, there is ISlamic Republic of Iran which is formed by Azerbijan, Persian, Kurds and etc. Tabriz is part of the Azerbaijan and will be that way. Go and claim persian what you have been doing in Persia, not in Tabriz.-- Rembranth 20:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC) -- Rembranth 20:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov, your arguments are counter productive and lack evidence. Yes DNA tests have revealed that my ancestors are the mixture of Turks and local Caucasian Albanians, who have been living in the region for thousands of years and have been local tribes.
I hope you don't want to say that Babek was also a persian.
For each of your arguments above I can bring multi-arguments that Azerbaijnanis are Turkic origin people, by language, by ethnicity, by culture, by even looking.
Look at a typcial Azerbaijani. Do you see anything closer or familiar with persians. I look at myself, netiher the color of my skin, nor my looking indicate that I have anything to do with Persians.
persians are Ariyans and my History and DNA tests indicate that I am Turkic and Caucasian Albanian.
Tabriz have been mostly Azerbaijani by almost three thousand years. It has been the capital of the historical Azerbaijan untill 1812 and will be the capital of the future united Azerbaijan forever. You will see it I am sure.
The carpets made by Azerbaijanis belong to Azerbaijani culture and civilization and it shoudl be known this way. For more information abotu Azerbiajnais look at wikipedia or other creidble sources.
It is your history curriculum which is totally wrong and based on persian chauvinism, not my history. ALso please leave your subjective arguments. The history is written and carpets are weaven when I write this. And the people who write the hisotry of Tabriz and make the Tabriz carpets are Azerbiajanis, hence they belong to Azerbaijani civilizations. Stip vanbdalizing this web page.
Rembranth, please note that this is an encyclopedia and not a propaganda forum. Here we emphasize facts and not POINTS OF VIEW! Tabriz has been an Iranian city for thousands of years and Iranian Azaris are Iranian. Tabriz rugs has always been known as persian rugs since they are produced by Iranians in Iran.
Arash the Bowman
11:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Stop talking nonesense. Everything you say is nothing but subjective.
Azerbainais are Turkics origin. Original Turks have been Europen, blond and with blue eyes. Go and read history.
Turks have started to come to the rgeion even 1000 years BC. Tehir fightings with persians whom they have sevceral times defetated are well known. You can look at your hisotry books and learn this.
My DNA tests have shown that I have nothing to do with riyans and persians. I am Azerbaijani Turk. The tests and studies you might have seen most probably have done by a persian or armenian chauvinist as you.
Tabriz as such has been and will be part of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan will become independent with capital city fo Tabriz. Recent revolts against the persian chauvinism once more prove this, where 200 Azerbaijanis were mrudered by persian chauvinists.
My lnaguage, look, color of the skin, hisotry, culture is much more different than yours. Nothing common. Read Azerbaijani and Turk sections of Wikipedia to increae your knoweldge of Turks and Azerbaijan. Turks ruled you for almost 10 thousand years.
Tabriz carpets belong to Azerbaijani and Turkish culture and history. As these people are Azerbaijanis.
I don't care where you have been raised. If you are raised in US, you are most likely a folower of a persian chauvinist prince or whatsoever rza pehlevi who was kicked out by Azerbaijanis in iran. Next time the it will be all the iranian and persian garbagae in Azerbaijan, who will be kciekd out.
-- Rembranth 20:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Rembranth, you really should take a look at the
Turks page of wikipedia to learn more about the origin and history of turks. Please stop vandalizing this page. Tarbiz rug is known all over the world as persian not Azerbaijani.
Arash the Bowman
14:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Arash, Tabriz carpets are known as persian because you captured the name and fame when we were under occupation, both by Persian and by Russian. Now the NOrth Azerbaijan is independent and the south will soon follow it. The capital will be Tabriz, the historical capital of Azerbaijan. Tabriz has been Azerbaijanis and therefore the culture and carpets made by them belong to Azerbaijani civilzation. It is you and khosrov, who are vandalizing this web page. -- Rembranth 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The problem with what you say is that as distinct from US, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis have existed for thousands of years. They have their history and terms. Calling things with their names would just show them the respect. The Persia and Persians refer to a specific nation/ethnicity, which has nothing to do with Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, except that we have been neighbors for many years, fought with each other, lived in peace sometimes, sometimes Azeribaijnais ruled Persia, sometimes persians ruled Azerbaijan. I don't exclude that there might be some inter-ethnic mixture oevrtime, thru marriages. Azerbaijani identity is far dsifferent from the persian one, and the Tabriz carpets is the contirbution of the Azerbaijani civilization to the world civilizations, not the contribution of Persians. So thing need to be called with their names.
Also note that there is no Iran right now. There is Islamic Republic of Iran, of which Azerbaijan is one of the founding nations. Indeed it was Azerbaijanis who kicked out the ultra-natinoalist/faschist pahlavi regime.
Coming back, the last word is that Tabriz rug/carpets are Azerbaijani carpets and this needs to be known and credited as such. Calling my art, my carpet persian is a direct insult to me as Azerbaijani and all Azerbaijnis living in the Islamic Republic of Iran have proven that they are different by revolting against some persian chavinists cartoons that cost 200 lives of the finest Azerbaijani sons. But this didn't happen for nothing. This is just the fist step towards the independence of the Southern Azerbaijan from Iran, of which Tabriz will be the capital. -- Rembranth 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest once more that you read the articles on Iranian azerbaijan and Azerbaijani people, before making such rediculous claims. Once again, the term "persian rug" simply means that this rug is from Persia which is the name Iran was known as until relatively recently. Therefore anyone and anything in Iran can be considered persian.
It is through that the name persian is originally the name of an ethnic group, but during millenia it has come to mean Iran and what is Iranian in western culture. In exactly the same way that "Egyptian" means anything from the Land of Nile eventhough, etymologically, the word Egypt is derived from the name of an ethnic group, namely the "Copts" who are a minority in Egypt. Remind you that the name of the country is "Misr" in arabic, in the same way that the name of Persia is Iran is Farsi.
Arash the Bowman
14:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Arash, thanks for your advice. But I know my history and identity better than you, who have been US for most your life. So please keep your precious recommendations for yourself.
Tabriz has historicaly been Azerbiajani and Turkic. I have no connection to persia and persians and I will not have anything to do with them. Tabriz people are Azerbaijanis and carpets they make belong to Azerbaijani art and civilization. Stop your blackmailing and persian chauvinistic arguments. -- Rembranth 16:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Funny that a pan-turk ultranationalist is calling anyone else a chauvinist, when it is your people who have committed countless genocides, massacres, and pogroms in your quest to have "ethnically pure" turkic states. And funny that your kind keeps claiming "united azerbaijan is soon", when you can't even take Artsakh from its rightful Armenian owners, even after 25 years. It's been 12 years since your post, where is your "united azerbaijan" now? You can keep dreaming for the next 100 years, because Azarbaijan isn't leaving Iran anytime soon.
And no, Tabriz, Baku, Ganja, Zanjan, Darband, are all Persian words and historical Persian cities, you turks had no presence in Azarbaijan or Shirvan (R.Azerbaijan) until the savage Seljuk nomads invaded, occupied, and colonized the region in 1050 AD, displacing and erasing the local native inhabitants. Name a single turkic state that existed there before those days. We are the natives in Iranian Azarbaijan, not you, the same way Armenians are the natives in Artsakh, not you. Your ultranationalistic turkic historical revisionism will never change that fact, you are colonists as much as the French were in Algeria, and the Algerians made sure to solve that problem for good. And we and our Armenian brothers will make sure to do the same.
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Please note that Tabriz is Azerbaijani city and its main inhabitants have been Azerbaijanis. Its culutre and carpets have been and are part of the Azerbaijani civilization, culture and history. Azerbaijanis have nothing to do with Persians and Persia, other than the fact that it has been divided into two parts: Iranian Azerbaijan and Rusian Azerbaijan. The Iranian Azerbaijan with its capital Tarbiz is still under the persian occupation. The Russian Azerbaijan has become independent in 1991. The iranian Azerbaijan will soon gain its independence as well. I just want to say that as Azerbaijani I have nothing to do with persian, no relation netiher by ethnicity, nor by religion. We are different civilizations, different people and different history. Please, don't call Tabriz rug as Persian rug. It hurts. -- 68.49.90.60 03:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov, be warned. YOu are vandalizing this web site. THere is not such a thing as iran. There is a Islamic Republic of Iran. Tabriz carpet is Azerbaijani carpet as most of the people in Tabriz are Azerbaijanis and they are the ones who make these carpets. Azerbaijanis are not Persians. See Wikipedia Azerbaijani section for more information. If you repeat your vandalism, I will call for arbitration and they will define who is right. -- Rembranth 17:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Even if you object to the term Persian, it should be changed to Iranian and not Azerbaijani! This rug became famous long before any country called Azerbaijan existed. And the area that it is produced in is part of Iran and not the country called Azerbaijan therefore the flag of Azerbaijan is completely wrong for this article. There can be a debate on Persian vs Iranian but that is all. Gol 00:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov and Gol, what you say and argue are nothing more but arguments of persian schauvinists. Of course there is Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis are Tukic origin people who have serveral times defetaed Persia, persian and Iran and ruled it for over 1000 years. Please, go and learn your geography as well. The region is called Iran and iran does not represent nationality. The carpets and rugs of Tabriz as they are made by Azerbaijanis are Azerbaijani carpets and they shoudl be known so. You have abducted Tabrixz carpets when Azerbaijan is divided by Russa and Persia.Northern Azerbaijan is independent and Southern Azerbaijan will become independent soon.
But as to the name of the carpets, the carpets made by Azerbaijanis needs to be called Azerbaijani. I am not persian, neither iranaian. I am Azerbaijani and proud of this.I have nothing to do with persia and persians. My land, my culture, my language, my civilization are totally different than persian ones. Please, don't confuse. -- Rembranth 14:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Also please don't distort governance and existence facts about Islamic Republic of Iran. There is no Iran, there is Islamic Republic of Iran and Azerbaijan is the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran, not the Iran. Please, learn your history. You may or may not like this regime, but this is a fact and you have to accept it. Please, avoit mixing this with your natinoalistic feelings about Iran. -- Rembranth 14:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Tabriz is and has been a part of Iran (Persia) for millenia. Therefore the carpets from there is known simply as persian rug along with carpets from other parts of Iran/persia. The fact that it is called "perisan" is simply a historical relic from the time when Iran was known as persia in the west. One could argue that it sould be called Iranian rug, but defenitely not azeri, since the city where it is made is not a part of the recently founded republic of Azerbaijan. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a propaganda forum for pan-turkists who predict independence or other political occurrances for Iranian(persian) provinces. Please stop your POV. This is not a political discussion forum.
I dont know what you have been taught in your schools, but historical facts, historical records, DNA testing, culture, and numerous other things support us, and disprove the propaganda that, unfortunatly, is being taught in your schools and universities. These are the things they dont teach you in north Azerbaijan and Turkey, and I dont blame you, I have met countless Turks online that have the same opinions and thoughts that you do, and its not your fault, its the fault of the system. Khosrow II 15:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov, your arguments are counter productive and lack evidence. Yes DNA tests have revealed that my ancestors are the mixture of Turks and local Caucasian Albanians, who have been living in the region for thousands of years and have been local tribes. I hope you don't want to say that Babek was also a persian.
For each of your arguments above I can bring multi-arguments that Azerbaijnanis are Turkic origin people, by language, by ethnicity, by culture, by even looking. Look at a typcial Azerbaijani. Do you see anything closer or familiar with persians. I look at myself, netiher the color of my skin, nor my looking indicate that I have anything to do with Persians. persians are Ariyans and my History and DNA tests indicate that I am Turkic and Caucasian Albanian.
Tabriz have been mostly Azerbaijani by almost three thousand years. It has been the capital of the historical Azerbaijan untill 1812 and will be the capital of the future united Azerbaijan forever. You will see it I am sure.
The carpets made by Azerbaijanis belong to Azerbaijani culture and civilization and it shoudl be known this way. For more information abotu Azerbiajnais look at wikipedia or other creidble sources.
It is your history curriculum which is totally wrong and based on persian chauvinism, not my history. ALso please leave your subjective arguments. The history is written and carpets are weaven when I write this. And the people who write the hisotry of Tabriz and make the Tabriz carpets are Azerbiajanis, hence they belong to Azerbaijani civilizations. Stip vanbdalizing this web page.
For your information also, there is no iran, there is ISlamic Republic of Iran which is formed by Azerbijan, Persian, Kurds and etc. Tabriz is part of the Azerbaijan and will be that way. Go and claim persian what you have been doing in Persia, not in Tabriz.-- Rembranth 20:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC) -- Rembranth 20:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Khosrov, your arguments are counter productive and lack evidence. Yes DNA tests have revealed that my ancestors are the mixture of Turks and local Caucasian Albanians, who have been living in the region for thousands of years and have been local tribes.
I hope you don't want to say that Babek was also a persian.
For each of your arguments above I can bring multi-arguments that Azerbaijnanis are Turkic origin people, by language, by ethnicity, by culture, by even looking.
Look at a typcial Azerbaijani. Do you see anything closer or familiar with persians. I look at myself, netiher the color of my skin, nor my looking indicate that I have anything to do with Persians.
persians are Ariyans and my History and DNA tests indicate that I am Turkic and Caucasian Albanian.
Tabriz have been mostly Azerbaijani by almost three thousand years. It has been the capital of the historical Azerbaijan untill 1812 and will be the capital of the future united Azerbaijan forever. You will see it I am sure.
The carpets made by Azerbaijanis belong to Azerbaijani culture and civilization and it shoudl be known this way. For more information abotu Azerbiajnais look at wikipedia or other creidble sources.
It is your history curriculum which is totally wrong and based on persian chauvinism, not my history. ALso please leave your subjective arguments. The history is written and carpets are weaven when I write this. And the people who write the hisotry of Tabriz and make the Tabriz carpets are Azerbiajanis, hence they belong to Azerbaijani civilizations. Stip vanbdalizing this web page.
Rembranth, please note that this is an encyclopedia and not a propaganda forum. Here we emphasize facts and not POINTS OF VIEW! Tabriz has been an Iranian city for thousands of years and Iranian Azaris are Iranian. Tabriz rugs has always been known as persian rugs since they are produced by Iranians in Iran.
Arash the Bowman
11:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Stop talking nonesense. Everything you say is nothing but subjective.
Azerbainais are Turkics origin. Original Turks have been Europen, blond and with blue eyes. Go and read history.
Turks have started to come to the rgeion even 1000 years BC. Tehir fightings with persians whom they have sevceral times defetated are well known. You can look at your hisotry books and learn this.
My DNA tests have shown that I have nothing to do with riyans and persians. I am Azerbaijani Turk. The tests and studies you might have seen most probably have done by a persian or armenian chauvinist as you.
Tabriz as such has been and will be part of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan will become independent with capital city fo Tabriz. Recent revolts against the persian chauvinism once more prove this, where 200 Azerbaijanis were mrudered by persian chauvinists.
My lnaguage, look, color of the skin, hisotry, culture is much more different than yours. Nothing common. Read Azerbaijani and Turk sections of Wikipedia to increae your knoweldge of Turks and Azerbaijan. Turks ruled you for almost 10 thousand years.
Tabriz carpets belong to Azerbaijani and Turkish culture and history. As these people are Azerbaijanis.
I don't care where you have been raised. If you are raised in US, you are most likely a folower of a persian chauvinist prince or whatsoever rza pehlevi who was kicked out by Azerbaijanis in iran. Next time the it will be all the iranian and persian garbagae in Azerbaijan, who will be kciekd out.
-- Rembranth 20:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Rembranth, you really should take a look at the
Turks page of wikipedia to learn more about the origin and history of turks. Please stop vandalizing this page. Tarbiz rug is known all over the world as persian not Azerbaijani.
Arash the Bowman
14:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Arash, Tabriz carpets are known as persian because you captured the name and fame when we were under occupation, both by Persian and by Russian. Now the NOrth Azerbaijan is independent and the south will soon follow it. The capital will be Tabriz, the historical capital of Azerbaijan. Tabriz has been Azerbaijanis and therefore the culture and carpets made by them belong to Azerbaijani civilzation. It is you and khosrov, who are vandalizing this web page. -- Rembranth 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The problem with what you say is that as distinct from US, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis have existed for thousands of years. They have their history and terms. Calling things with their names would just show them the respect. The Persia and Persians refer to a specific nation/ethnicity, which has nothing to do with Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, except that we have been neighbors for many years, fought with each other, lived in peace sometimes, sometimes Azeribaijnais ruled Persia, sometimes persians ruled Azerbaijan. I don't exclude that there might be some inter-ethnic mixture oevrtime, thru marriages. Azerbaijani identity is far dsifferent from the persian one, and the Tabriz carpets is the contirbution of the Azerbaijani civilization to the world civilizations, not the contribution of Persians. So thing need to be called with their names.
Also note that there is no Iran right now. There is Islamic Republic of Iran, of which Azerbaijan is one of the founding nations. Indeed it was Azerbaijanis who kicked out the ultra-natinoalist/faschist pahlavi regime.
Coming back, the last word is that Tabriz rug/carpets are Azerbaijani carpets and this needs to be known and credited as such. Calling my art, my carpet persian is a direct insult to me as Azerbaijani and all Azerbaijnis living in the Islamic Republic of Iran have proven that they are different by revolting against some persian chavinists cartoons that cost 200 lives of the finest Azerbaijani sons. But this didn't happen for nothing. This is just the fist step towards the independence of the Southern Azerbaijan from Iran, of which Tabriz will be the capital. -- Rembranth 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest once more that you read the articles on Iranian azerbaijan and Azerbaijani people, before making such rediculous claims. Once again, the term "persian rug" simply means that this rug is from Persia which is the name Iran was known as until relatively recently. Therefore anyone and anything in Iran can be considered persian.
It is through that the name persian is originally the name of an ethnic group, but during millenia it has come to mean Iran and what is Iranian in western culture. In exactly the same way that "Egyptian" means anything from the Land of Nile eventhough, etymologically, the word Egypt is derived from the name of an ethnic group, namely the "Copts" who are a minority in Egypt. Remind you that the name of the country is "Misr" in arabic, in the same way that the name of Persia is Iran is Farsi.
Arash the Bowman
14:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Arash, thanks for your advice. But I know my history and identity better than you, who have been US for most your life. So please keep your precious recommendations for yourself.
Tabriz has historicaly been Azerbiajani and Turkic. I have no connection to persia and persians and I will not have anything to do with them. Tabriz people are Azerbaijanis and carpets they make belong to Azerbaijani art and civilization. Stop your blackmailing and persian chauvinistic arguments. -- Rembranth 16:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Funny that a pan-turk ultranationalist is calling anyone else a chauvinist, when it is your people who have committed countless genocides, massacres, and pogroms in your quest to have "ethnically pure" turkic states. And funny that your kind keeps claiming "united azerbaijan is soon", when you can't even take Artsakh from its rightful Armenian owners, even after 25 years. It's been 12 years since your post, where is your "united azerbaijan" now? You can keep dreaming for the next 100 years, because Azarbaijan isn't leaving Iran anytime soon.
And no, Tabriz, Baku, Ganja, Zanjan, Darband, are all Persian words and historical Persian cities, you turks had no presence in Azarbaijan or Shirvan (R.Azerbaijan) until the savage Seljuk nomads invaded, occupied, and colonized the region in 1050 AD, displacing and erasing the local native inhabitants. Name a single turkic state that existed there before those days. We are the natives in Iranian Azarbaijan, not you, the same way Armenians are the natives in Artsakh, not you. Your ultranationalistic turkic historical revisionism will never change that fact, you are colonists as much as the French were in Algeria, and the Algerians made sure to solve that problem for good. And we and our Armenian brothers will make sure to do the same.
Qahramani44 16 July 2018
I have fully-protected the article due to revert-warring between the editors. Please discuss changes on the talk page & reach a consensus rather than engaging in edit-warring. Request unprotection once a compromise has been reached. -- Srikeit ( Talk | Email) 03:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
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