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-- Timeshifter 06:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC). I am copying below my replies to the Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg comments on my user talk page.
Hello Timeshifter, I'm just letting you know that you are in danger of violating the WP:3RR policy on Taba summit. If you revert one more time you could be blocked from editing wikipedia.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 06:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Adding citation requested tags does not give a green light to add original research. Furthermore, the references you added did not support the larger argument of the section, when you use references to prove a novel conclusion it is considered original research. It is a difficult policy to understand, I also had a lot of trouble with it when I first began editing wikipedia. Also, please do not accuse others of vandalism when it is obvious that it is not the case.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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Please do not replace Wikipedia pages or sections with blank content, as you did to Taba Summit. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.
The above paragraph is from this standard warning template for blanking: {{subst:Blank2}}. On December 3, 2006, as this revision difference shows, you blanked (deleted) a whole section of a wikipedia page. That is usually considered vandalism especially when you do not present a wikipedia guideline reason first on a talk page. Especially for such a major deletion of sourced material. You also deleted some reference link details in other sections. -- Timeshifter 07:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, as you did to Taba Summit, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
The above paragraph is from this next-level-up standard warning template for blanking: {{subst:Blank3}}. On December 3, 2006, as this revision difference shows, you again blanked (deleted) a whole section of a wikipedia page. -- Timeshifter 07:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Because you keep blanking this wikipedia page:
This is your last warning.
The next time you blank a page, as you did to
Taba Summit, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
See: Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Removing warnings. "When users behave in a manner which is outside Wikipedia norms, they are often warned on their talk page. It is generally agreed that users who receive such warnings should not remove them from their talk page if they are valid." -- Timeshifter 08:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Timeshifter 09:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC). I am going to put these 2 quotes below in a different section. They are background context in the section "Who ended the peace negotiations?", and it can be argued that they need to be in separate section. It can not be plausibly argued that it is original research. Because this viewpoint is sourced from multiple sources. The quotes reinforce the significant viewpoint that the Taba Summit came the closest ever to achieving peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
-- Timeshifter 10:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC). Concerning the remaining quote below from the section "Who ended the peace negotiations?" I will put other quotes from other media, people, or groups agreeing with this viewpoint:
As I wrote before this is but one significant viewpoint. And wikipedia wants significant viewpoints represented in its articles. The issue of who ended the negotiations is disputed. There is no consensus.
The quoted viewpoint from an article by one leader of an Israeli peace group is not original research, and does not require agreement by other media, peace groups, etc. in order to be a significant viewpoint meriting inclusion in a wikipedia article. But if Moshe and others want more than one source for each viewpoint, then that can be accommodated. It is not required by wikipedia to have more than one quote in order to prove that something is not original research. But if that will stop the blanking then I will find more quotes and sources. -- Timeshifter 10:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
References
jointstatement
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).[More discussion below copied from my user talk page. The first part has the rewritten section "Who ended the peace negotiations?" that was repeatedly blanked. First by Amoruso, then Viriditas, then Tewfik, and then Moshe.]
-- Timeshifter 05:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC). Here below is my last revision of the section "Who ended the peace negotiations?" I had deleted all that was there previously. So there was nothing there from when you [Moshe] blanked the whole section. You did not blank this revision below [at the time this was written Dec. 4, 2006. Moshe started deleting it Dec. 8, 2006]. Amoruso did, though. 3 times in 24 hours. I pulled out and indented the reference links below, and put them in parentheses, so that people can see and follow them.
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Regarding reversions
[1] made on December 03, 2006 to
Taba Summit article
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Nearly Headless Nick 12:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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It seems I am being blocked past the 24 hour period. When I try to edit pages I get a message that says I am autoblocked, and that to get unblocked I should put this template below on the bottom of my user page. -- Timeshifter 18:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
References
jointstatement
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Per Wikipedia:Requests for comment this section is created to get comments from other editors. The request was placed in this page: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography.
The dispute is about whether the quotes and references at the top of the section directly above can be placed in the Taba Summit article. Specifically in 2 sections titled "How close did Taba Summit come to a peace agreement?" and "Who ended the peace negotiations?" See previous discussion for the particulars. 13:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The section is under blanking menace because some people claims it goes against WP:OR and WP:NPOV. What is OR (Original Research)? It is a policy of Wikipedia that says (emphasis mine):
What is NPOV (Neutral Point Of View)? It is a policy of Wikipedia that says:
So, let's examine the section under investigation, and let'see if it breaks any WP policy. The section lists some quotes, without drawing any conclusion; if any conclusion exists in the section, it is drawn in the mind of the reader, but that is outside Wikipedia policy valitdity :)
On the basis of the above considerations, I think the section must be restored: it is its removal that goes against WP philosophy, as relevant and neutral information would be removed together with the section.--[[BlueDome]] 19:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
...I agree with you that it appears no policy was violated as far as NPOV and POV. The information is cited and shares relevant and timely information. My comment refers to the length of that first sentence. I found it difficult to follow. Ms. Antoinette Johnson 22:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is "Taba summit" even in use? It seems to be a proper noun and both words should be capitalized. Somebody even went so far as to add "Taba Summit" in the also-known-as names. It seems to me like "Taba summit" should never be used. Jason Quinn ( talk) 16:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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-- Timeshifter 06:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC). I am copying below my replies to the Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg comments on my user talk page.
Hello Timeshifter, I'm just letting you know that you are in danger of violating the WP:3RR policy on Taba summit. If you revert one more time you could be blocked from editing wikipedia.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 06:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Adding citation requested tags does not give a green light to add original research. Furthermore, the references you added did not support the larger argument of the section, when you use references to prove a novel conclusion it is considered original research. It is a difficult policy to understand, I also had a lot of trouble with it when I first began editing wikipedia. Also, please do not accuse others of vandalism when it is obvious that it is not the case.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 10:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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Amoruso blanked the new sourced section. I left this message on Amoruso's user talk page:
Please do not replace Wikipedia pages or sections with blank content, as you did to Taba Summit. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.
The above paragraph is from this standard warning template for blanking: {{subst:Blank2}}. On December 3, 2006, as this revision difference shows, you blanked (deleted) a whole section of a wikipedia page. That is usually considered vandalism especially when you do not present a wikipedia guideline reason first on a talk page. Especially for such a major deletion of sourced material. You also deleted some reference link details in other sections. -- Timeshifter 07:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, as you did to Taba Summit, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
The above paragraph is from this next-level-up standard warning template for blanking: {{subst:Blank3}}. On December 3, 2006, as this revision difference shows, you again blanked (deleted) a whole section of a wikipedia page. -- Timeshifter 07:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Because you keep blanking this wikipedia page:
This is your last warning.
The next time you blank a page, as you did to
Taba Summit, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
See: Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Removing warnings. "When users behave in a manner which is outside Wikipedia norms, they are often warned on their talk page. It is generally agreed that users who receive such warnings should not remove them from their talk page if they are valid." -- Timeshifter 08:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
-- Timeshifter 09:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC). I am going to put these 2 quotes below in a different section. They are background context in the section "Who ended the peace negotiations?", and it can be argued that they need to be in separate section. It can not be plausibly argued that it is original research. Because this viewpoint is sourced from multiple sources. The quotes reinforce the significant viewpoint that the Taba Summit came the closest ever to achieving peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
-- Timeshifter 10:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC). Concerning the remaining quote below from the section "Who ended the peace negotiations?" I will put other quotes from other media, people, or groups agreeing with this viewpoint:
As I wrote before this is but one significant viewpoint. And wikipedia wants significant viewpoints represented in its articles. The issue of who ended the negotiations is disputed. There is no consensus.
The quoted viewpoint from an article by one leader of an Israeli peace group is not original research, and does not require agreement by other media, peace groups, etc. in order to be a significant viewpoint meriting inclusion in a wikipedia article. But if Moshe and others want more than one source for each viewpoint, then that can be accommodated. It is not required by wikipedia to have more than one quote in order to prove that something is not original research. But if that will stop the blanking then I will find more quotes and sources. -- Timeshifter 10:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
References
jointstatement
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).[More discussion below copied from my user talk page. The first part has the rewritten section "Who ended the peace negotiations?" that was repeatedly blanked. First by Amoruso, then Viriditas, then Tewfik, and then Moshe.]
-- Timeshifter 05:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC). Here below is my last revision of the section "Who ended the peace negotiations?" I had deleted all that was there previously. So there was nothing there from when you [Moshe] blanked the whole section. You did not blank this revision below [at the time this was written Dec. 4, 2006. Moshe started deleting it Dec. 8, 2006]. Amoruso did, though. 3 times in 24 hours. I pulled out and indented the reference links below, and put them in parentheses, so that people can see and follow them.
---
--- -- Timeshifter 05:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding reversions
[1] made on December 03, 2006 to
Taba Summit article
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Nearly Headless Nick 12:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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It seems I am being blocked past the 24 hour period. When I try to edit pages I get a message that says I am autoblocked, and that to get unblocked I should put this template below on the bottom of my user page. -- Timeshifter 18:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
References
jointstatement
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Per Wikipedia:Requests for comment this section is created to get comments from other editors. The request was placed in this page: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography.
The dispute is about whether the quotes and references at the top of the section directly above can be placed in the Taba Summit article. Specifically in 2 sections titled "How close did Taba Summit come to a peace agreement?" and "Who ended the peace negotiations?" See previous discussion for the particulars. 13:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The section is under blanking menace because some people claims it goes against WP:OR and WP:NPOV. What is OR (Original Research)? It is a policy of Wikipedia that says (emphasis mine):
What is NPOV (Neutral Point Of View)? It is a policy of Wikipedia that says:
So, let's examine the section under investigation, and let'see if it breaks any WP policy. The section lists some quotes, without drawing any conclusion; if any conclusion exists in the section, it is drawn in the mind of the reader, but that is outside Wikipedia policy valitdity :)
On the basis of the above considerations, I think the section must be restored: it is its removal that goes against WP philosophy, as relevant and neutral information would be removed together with the section.--[[BlueDome]] 19:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
...I agree with you that it appears no policy was violated as far as NPOV and POV. The information is cited and shares relevant and timely information. My comment refers to the length of that first sentence. I found it difficult to follow. Ms. Antoinette Johnson 22:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Why is "Taba summit" even in use? It seems to be a proper noun and both words should be capitalized. Somebody even went so far as to add "Taba Summit" in the also-known-as names. It seems to me like "Taba summit" should never be used. Jason Quinn ( talk) 16:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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