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Request revert to the version before user user:Nice4What broke 1RR rule and removed sourced and agreed upon content and subsequently led to the locking of the template. Basically revert to this version: [1] Jim7049 ( talk) 20:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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Revert template to stable version [2]. Also move iraq under support section per the new discussion. Jim7049 ( talk) 20:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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Change Al Nusra/HTS front support. HTS is still actively supported by Qatar and Turkey as they are known to cooperate and HTS received most of its money (and still does) from Qatar as well as get military support from Turkey AramA2122 ( talk) 13:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Please also check any issues about mapping and cartography in Commons : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Syrian_Civil_War_map.svg#Why_the_choice_of_the_white_color_for_HTS_/_Hayat_Tahrir_al-Cham_/_HTC_?
-- Wisdood ( talk) 14:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Support with rename: Seems this got lost in the shuffle. This article is eye-wateringly large. I think merging the Belligerents section with List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War as proposed by @ Charles Essie: and agreed upon by @ GreyShark:. There was no objections but as this is a controversial article I figured I'd open discussion to make sure there's no objections. Belligerents of the Syrian Civil War seems like a good title. - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
The previous discussion: Talk:Syrian_Civil_War/Archive_46#"Article_too_long_to_read_and_mavigate_comfortably"
Oops @ Greyshark09: not "GreyShark" - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
If anyone knows of any other similar discussions please link/tag people. It's a bit hard to navigate... - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
The split/merge is complete. Waiting on the move request to be fulfilled. - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 20:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what happened here but the infobox is sandwiching the whole lead making it unreadable. Tagged it!!--
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This is the title by an article written by Reinoud Leenders.
This text is from the Refugees of Iraq Wikipedia page:
"Numbering over 1.2 million, Iraqi refugees comprise a large portion of Syria's population of 18 million.[20] This has caused an increase in the cost of living and caused a strain on infrastructure.[1][20] Sources like oil, heat, water and electricity were said to be becoming more scarce as demand had gone up.[23] Syrian's deputy foreign minister has stated that the price of food has increased by 30%, property prices by 40%, and rentals by 150%.[1][20] Water consumption rose by 21%, costing the Syrian government about 6.8 million US dollars in 2006.[20] The Iraqi population also strained the labor market: Syrian unemployment was 18% in 2006.[20] Refugees put a strain on health services (which are free in Syria), and Syria experienced public school overcrowding.[20] In 2005 and 2006, Syria used $162 million to offer aid to Iraqi refugees in the country.[20]"
This paragraph tells us more about the origin of the Syrian Civil War than the entire Wikipedia entry.
I know we are supposed to hate the Syrians and only write bad things about them. But this is the Wikipedia. You don't have to toe the line of US policy. Wikipedia should be about the truth. The truth is that Syria did more to help the Iraqi people than any other government in the world. And paid the highest price for it. This is both sad and ironic, because the Syrian government warned the world that an invasion in Iraq would lead to anarchy. Which, when you think about it, was kind of expected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 ( talk) 21:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
"Advanced weaponry and tactics" seems a bit out of place. I'd like to move it below "Belligerents and foreign involvement" as Timeline/Belligerents/Weapons seems to flow better. Thoughts? - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Jim7049: it's 17 Turkish civilians? It was a part of the total "100 other foreign soldiers killed" count. That's why I moved it to the Turkish casualties list. - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 02:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
[Almost] every editor who responded to the Request for comment on size of infobox said the infobox needed to be pruned. Other editors have directly edited the Template:Syrian Civil War infobox, without using its Template:Syrian Civil War infobox/sandbox (which is fine with me per WP:BOLD etc.). I decided that removing one line at a time wasn't getting the infobox to an acceptable size - the infobox still dominates the article especially when accessed on a mobile device. My edits - which I first experimented on in the Template's sandbox - were reverted with the edit summary "Looks like he mistook it for the sandbox article"... No "he" did not. I knew what I was doing and I think more still needs to be done. The infobox still takes over at least 50% of the article in width from side to side & even *more* on some mobile devices. Think the infobox's size is just fine the way it is?...then make your case in the RFC further up the page. Shearonink ( talk) 02:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Why does this article continue to use the outdated and unofficial estimated 561 figure? The Iranian government has repeatedly announced that over 2,000 Iranians have died in the conflict. Here's a video of IRGC officer and political strategist Hassan Abbasi stating that over 2,300 Iranians were killed (March 2019). Here's Syrian state news quoting the head of Iran’s veterans’ affairs office, Mohammad Ali Shahidi, as saying 2,100 Iranians were killed (March 2017).-- Nihlus1 ( talk) 00:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Should Armenia be listed as supporting the Syrian government in a non-combat role? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.6.245 ( talk) 04:30, 9 March 2019 (UTC) Their forces have been documented on the ground, so yes. 2A02:C7F:C641:5A00:5E6:FED2:653C:C86A ( talk) 00:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus that Template:Syrian Civil War infobox should be reduced in size. In the discussion section, editors considered the proposal about:
limiting the "Commanders and leaders" section to only two names. In other words to the head of state (or leading council) and the top military leader.
There is no consensus to implement this change owing to lack of participation. There is no prejudice against boldly making the change and if the change is disputed then opening a new RfC to discuss the change.
Should the infobox of this article - Template:Syrian Civil War infobox - be reduced in size? Shearonink ( talk) 18:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I clicked to view the live interactive map and it redirected me to an official looking google chrome update page on the https://syriancivilwarmap.com/ domain. Probably a phishing scam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:D5F:F093:ECBD:DA86:867D:1D4A ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Trying to get some more ideas about if the infobox can or should be adjusted/reduced in size and how to accomplish that...see the discussion at ' Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Is there any kind of policy or guideline that governs the size of infoboxes? Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 00:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Syrian Civil War infobox
Are the leader/commander labels necessary? They already have the titles in their respective Wikipedia pages and there are examples where the titles aren't there Battle of France Western Front (World War II) Iraq War War in Afghanistan (2001–present). Two options either:
Either would reduce the size of the infobox - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Greek Hades, despite your edit [9] based on syriancivilwarmap.com which ignores the existence of an IS pocket in the central desert, a multitude of sources confirm its existence and this needs to be rectified both in the infobox and on our Wikipedia map. Syrialiveumap, SOHR, ISWN and Polgeonow all show through maps [10] [11] [12] [13] IS territory in the central desert which has yet to be taken by the Syrian military, as well as some others [14]. SOHR, which confirms the pocket is 4,000 square kilometers in size, especially has been extensively used by Wikipedia for territorial changes throughout the years. Pro-government Masdar media outlet and Reuters also reaffirm the existence of an IS pocket in the Syrian desert [15] [16], which is entirely surrounded by Syrian government forces (not controlled) as per both Masdar and Reuters [17] [18]. Last attempt by the SAA to clear the pocket was way back in September [19]. Multiple sources (which confirm it) trump one source which, for some reason, has decided to ignore the pocket in the central desert. EkoGraf ( talk) 13:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Under Main belligerents, when showing the CJTF–OIR section, instead of the denmark flag there is the nazi germany flag............. please fix that, i can't edit the box-thingy (don't know how it called in english) with visual editing. if it's a bug and only i see it for some reason, feel free to delete this talk section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by רם אבני ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Now several months out of date. Sdrawkcab ( talk) 11:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Syrian Civil War has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Syrian Civil War and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Syrian Civil War during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. GreyShark ( dibra) 07:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
I just came across Astana Platform in the new page queue and noticed that it's not well-integrated with other Syrian Civil War articles. It's also heavily reliant on Sputnik and other dubious sources and thus could probably use some attention from editors active in this subject. signed, Rosguill talk 20:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. I can't help but feel that the whole timeline area is somewhat difficult to navigate currently. The Afghanistan war article has a layout which could apply here: War in Afghanistan (2001-present)#History. That is, a table with dates down the left, and a one-line description of what happened on the right with a link to the relevant articles. The war is of course an incredibly complex topic- but something like this:
Period | Main event(s) |
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March–July 2011 | Protests, civil uprising, and defections |
July 2011–April 2012 | Initial armed insurgency |
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-- ERAGON ( talk) 21:03, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
This information has been removed, with the following edit summary: "The addition of biased images was discussed against at the talk page, as well as not to include the ages of the civilian casualties of both sides. See: Talk:2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria/Archive 1#5 children among 7 civilians killed yesterday, Talk:2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria/Archive 1#Turkish civilian deaths. The children picture related to chemical attack which is notable & not just some random victim picture. Also, update section on "Belligerents". I think it is relevant and should be included. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 11:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it's as massive as ever...
Ran the page-size tool on it and here are the results
And another thing - according to the Manual of Style guideline of MOS:INFOBOX, infoboxes are supposed to provide a summary of the article, an overview of the article. This infobox has people in it who are not listed in the article at all like Riad Darar & Qasem Soleimani, it has multiple hide-show components that link elsewhere - like Units Involved/Opposing forces which leads to Belligerents of the Syrian Civil War#Opposing forces which is massive in and of itself, meaning the infobox is even bigger than you think it is at first glance. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE states
The size of the infobox has been mentioned on the talk page before - sometimes by me, sometimes by others, here are a few examples:
I gave up on my earlier efforts to reduce the size of the infobox a while ago and at this time don't intend to even try to reduce the size myself (though consensus at the RfC was for the size of the infobox being reduced) so perhaps this was all just a bit of a rant but looking at how big the infobox has gotten, I do think we need to ask ourselves - does the infobox serve the article or does the article serve the infobox... Shearonink ( talk) 06:11, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Shearonink: @ MTWEmperor: I've tried placing {{clear}} after the box and a paragraph of lead before it, so at least part of the lead is visible when you load the article, but ppl keep reverting it to visual garbage. Is there an option to collapse the info box, the way we do nav boxes? That would be at least a temporary fix until we work out a permanent solution. — kwami ( talk) 20:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Concensus? How about common sense, or blocking the editors who are repeatedly vandalizing the article. This issue is just something I stumbled across, not s.t. I care much about, so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people who think "hey, let's make the article illegible!" is a good idea. BTW, on my browser the lead is not *nearly* as legible as it is in the screenshot at right -- I wouldn't bother trying to fix it if it were merely that bad. Meanwhile, I collapsed the infobox, though I don't expect the proponents of illegibility to like that. — kwami ( talk) 18:59, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Added a section to update some events. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 20:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I would like to add the following paragraph to the article lead. thanks.
In October 2019, in response to the Turkish offensive, Russia arranged for negotiations between the Syrian government in Damascus and the Kurdish-led forces. [1] [2] Mazloum Abdi, the Syrian Kurdish commander-in-chief, announced that they are ready to partner with Vladimir Putin (Russia) and Bashar al-Assad (Syria), stating that "We know that we would have to make painful compromises with Moscow and Bashar al-Assad if we go down the road of working with them. But if we have to choose between compromises and the genocide of our people, we will surely choose life for our people." [3]The agreement specified some regions where the SDF has agreed to the deployment of Syrian Army troops, and also areas of northeastern Syria that will be managed by the Syrian government in Damascus. [4] According to Syrian Kurdish officials, the deal allows Syrian government forces to take over security in some border areas, but the Kurds' own administration would maintain control of local institutions. [5]
thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 22:34, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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added information on Rojava to section on Constitution Committee. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 02:46, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I have added the following text to the article. Please feel free to add this information to any articles which pertain to the current plight of refugees in Syria!!
Section: Syrian_Civil_War#United_Nations_dispute
As of December 18, 2019, a diplomatic dispute is occurring at the UN over re-authorization of cross-border aid for refugees. China and Russia are opposing the current draft resolution that seeks to re-authorize crossing points in Turkey, Iraq, and Jordan; China and Russia, as allies of Assad, seek to close the two crossing points in Iraq and Jordan, and to leave only the two crossing points in Turkey active. [1]
All of the ten individuals representing the non-permanent members of the Security Council stood in the corridor outside of the chamber speaking to the press to state that all four crossing points are crucial and must be renewed. [1]
United Nations official Mark Lowcock is asking the UN to re-authorize cross-border aid to enable aid to continue to reach refugees in Syria. He says there is no other way to deliver the aid that is needed. He noted that four million refugees out of the over eleven million refugees who need assistance are being reached through four specific international crossing points. Lowcock serves as the United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator and the Head of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. [2]
I appreciate it. thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
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Sm8900, this is WAY too much detail for the lead. MOS:LEADLENGTH says that the lead section of an article should generally not be more than three or four paragraphs long. You've made it 10, with the majority of those being devoted to a series of events happening over just a few months' time in an 8.5-year war. What the hell were you thinking? The lead does need to be adjusted, with less emphasis on all the various nations involved and more on which sides are winning or losing. Maybe say something about the causes as well, which seem to be largely overlooked. There's probably a little bit more about Lebanon than is necessary. But adding 6 paragraphs to the lead about one campaign out of many is absurd. Display name 99 ( talk) 05:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Display name 99, SharabSalam, El C, I have added some text to the following EXISTING section, Syrian_Civil_War#Peace_process_and_de-escalation_zones. I felt this was more in keeping with the valid concerns that you have expresssed above, regarding WP:UNDUE and other points. I hope this is okay. I am pleased to be able to discuss this here, in view of your obvious interest in and commitment to improving the encyclopedia entry.
I sought to keep the text below brief and to the point. I think it also fits in with the existing section where I added it. I hope this seems okay and valid for this entry. thanks.
I also added text to some other existing sections as well. You can see them in the article history. thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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===New agreements===
thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
SharabSalam, any thoughts? thanks!! -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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approximately Arab 50%, Alawite 15%, Kurd 10%, Levantine 10%, other 15% (includes Druze, Ismaili, Imami, Nusairi, Assyrian, Turkmen, Armenian);
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approximately Arab 50%, Alawite 15%, Kurd 10%, Levantine 10%, other 15% (includes Druze, Ismaili, Imami, Assyrian, Turkmen, Armenian);
Removed Nusairi because it is another, pejorative, name for Alawites which are already mention as the second largest demographic.
The percentages were put Congo spank ( talk) 07:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
added section that discusses the US sanctions. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 02:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Are there any objections to utilizing a similar method as the "Units involved" section See order on the "Commanders and leaders" and "Strength" sections of the infobox
Basically I am proposing we create a similar link for those two sections and using combined strength total for each country and a short list of let's say current leaders for each country (or something else if anyone has any other ideas). Because it may look ok on desktop but mobile doesn't have the hide option and EVERY SINGLE commander/leader is displayed on the mobile version including the hidden "Killed" section ones.
We all agree it's too big so let's actually shorten it and consolidate it. @ EkoGraf: @ Sopher99: @ Greyshark09: @ Editor abcdef: @ DylanLacey: @ Mikrobølgeovn: @ Hanibal911: @ Mr.User200: @ LightandDark2000: @ FutureTrillionaire: @ Mehmedsons: @ Avaya1: @ Fitzcarmalan: @ NuclearWizard: @ North Atlanticist Usonian: @ Kwamikagami: @ Shearonink: @ Moxy:
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Change $6.5 billon to $6.5 billion Tokuju ( talk) 13:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 14:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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Syrian civil war – "Syrian Civil War" is not a proper name, and many major publications do not capitalize each word. I believe this was discussed a few years ago without any consensus. It's even more telling that in 2020 it's still not a proper name.
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...between the Syrian Army and rebel forces throughout the Syrian Civil War.The same reason "the Syrian Army" was capitalized is used to capitalize the "Syrian Civil War.-- SharʿabSalam▼ ( talk) 00:03, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
When I hover over [a], the pop up says "a". When I click on it, it does move me to the note, but the pop up should read the text, too.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 18:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Request revert to the version before user user:Nice4What broke 1RR rule and removed sourced and agreed upon content and subsequently led to the locking of the template. Basically revert to this version: [1] Jim7049 ( talk) 20:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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Revert template to stable version [2]. Also move iraq under support section per the new discussion. Jim7049 ( talk) 20:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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Change Al Nusra/HTS front support. HTS is still actively supported by Qatar and Turkey as they are known to cooperate and HTS received most of its money (and still does) from Qatar as well as get military support from Turkey AramA2122 ( talk) 13:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Please also check any issues about mapping and cartography in Commons : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Syrian_Civil_War_map.svg#Why_the_choice_of_the_white_color_for_HTS_/_Hayat_Tahrir_al-Cham_/_HTC_?
-- Wisdood ( talk) 14:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Support with rename: Seems this got lost in the shuffle. This article is eye-wateringly large. I think merging the Belligerents section with List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War as proposed by @ Charles Essie: and agreed upon by @ GreyShark:. There was no objections but as this is a controversial article I figured I'd open discussion to make sure there's no objections. Belligerents of the Syrian Civil War seems like a good title. - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
The previous discussion: Talk:Syrian_Civil_War/Archive_46#"Article_too_long_to_read_and_mavigate_comfortably"
Oops @ Greyshark09: not "GreyShark" - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
If anyone knows of any other similar discussions please link/tag people. It's a bit hard to navigate... - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 21:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
The split/merge is complete. Waiting on the move request to be fulfilled. - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 20:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what happened here but the infobox is sandwiching the whole lead making it unreadable. Tagged it!!--
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This is the title by an article written by Reinoud Leenders.
This text is from the Refugees of Iraq Wikipedia page:
"Numbering over 1.2 million, Iraqi refugees comprise a large portion of Syria's population of 18 million.[20] This has caused an increase in the cost of living and caused a strain on infrastructure.[1][20] Sources like oil, heat, water and electricity were said to be becoming more scarce as demand had gone up.[23] Syrian's deputy foreign minister has stated that the price of food has increased by 30%, property prices by 40%, and rentals by 150%.[1][20] Water consumption rose by 21%, costing the Syrian government about 6.8 million US dollars in 2006.[20] The Iraqi population also strained the labor market: Syrian unemployment was 18% in 2006.[20] Refugees put a strain on health services (which are free in Syria), and Syria experienced public school overcrowding.[20] In 2005 and 2006, Syria used $162 million to offer aid to Iraqi refugees in the country.[20]"
This paragraph tells us more about the origin of the Syrian Civil War than the entire Wikipedia entry.
I know we are supposed to hate the Syrians and only write bad things about them. But this is the Wikipedia. You don't have to toe the line of US policy. Wikipedia should be about the truth. The truth is that Syria did more to help the Iraqi people than any other government in the world. And paid the highest price for it. This is both sad and ironic, because the Syrian government warned the world that an invasion in Iraq would lead to anarchy. Which, when you think about it, was kind of expected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 ( talk) 21:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
"Advanced weaponry and tactics" seems a bit out of place. I'd like to move it below "Belligerents and foreign involvement" as Timeline/Belligerents/Weapons seems to flow better. Thoughts? - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Jim7049: it's 17 Turkish civilians? It was a part of the total "100 other foreign soldiers killed" count. That's why I moved it to the Turkish casualties list. - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 02:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
[Almost] every editor who responded to the Request for comment on size of infobox said the infobox needed to be pruned. Other editors have directly edited the Template:Syrian Civil War infobox, without using its Template:Syrian Civil War infobox/sandbox (which is fine with me per WP:BOLD etc.). I decided that removing one line at a time wasn't getting the infobox to an acceptable size - the infobox still dominates the article especially when accessed on a mobile device. My edits - which I first experimented on in the Template's sandbox - were reverted with the edit summary "Looks like he mistook it for the sandbox article"... No "he" did not. I knew what I was doing and I think more still needs to be done. The infobox still takes over at least 50% of the article in width from side to side & even *more* on some mobile devices. Think the infobox's size is just fine the way it is?...then make your case in the RFC further up the page. Shearonink ( talk) 02:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Why does this article continue to use the outdated and unofficial estimated 561 figure? The Iranian government has repeatedly announced that over 2,000 Iranians have died in the conflict. Here's a video of IRGC officer and political strategist Hassan Abbasi stating that over 2,300 Iranians were killed (March 2019). Here's Syrian state news quoting the head of Iran’s veterans’ affairs office, Mohammad Ali Shahidi, as saying 2,100 Iranians were killed (March 2017).-- Nihlus1 ( talk) 00:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Should Armenia be listed as supporting the Syrian government in a non-combat role? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.6.245 ( talk) 04:30, 9 March 2019 (UTC) Their forces have been documented on the ground, so yes. 2A02:C7F:C641:5A00:5E6:FED2:653C:C86A ( talk) 00:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus that Template:Syrian Civil War infobox should be reduced in size. In the discussion section, editors considered the proposal about:
limiting the "Commanders and leaders" section to only two names. In other words to the head of state (or leading council) and the top military leader.
There is no consensus to implement this change owing to lack of participation. There is no prejudice against boldly making the change and if the change is disputed then opening a new RfC to discuss the change.
Should the infobox of this article - Template:Syrian Civil War infobox - be reduced in size? Shearonink ( talk) 18:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I clicked to view the live interactive map and it redirected me to an official looking google chrome update page on the https://syriancivilwarmap.com/ domain. Probably a phishing scam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:D5F:F093:ECBD:DA86:867D:1D4A ( talk) 21:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Trying to get some more ideas about if the infobox can or should be adjusted/reduced in size and how to accomplish that...see the discussion at ' Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Is there any kind of policy or guideline that governs the size of infoboxes? Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 00:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Syrian Civil War infobox
Are the leader/commander labels necessary? They already have the titles in their respective Wikipedia pages and there are examples where the titles aren't there Battle of France Western Front (World War II) Iraq War War in Afghanistan (2001–present). Two options either:
Either would reduce the size of the infobox - MTWEmperor ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Greek Hades, despite your edit [9] based on syriancivilwarmap.com which ignores the existence of an IS pocket in the central desert, a multitude of sources confirm its existence and this needs to be rectified both in the infobox and on our Wikipedia map. Syrialiveumap, SOHR, ISWN and Polgeonow all show through maps [10] [11] [12] [13] IS territory in the central desert which has yet to be taken by the Syrian military, as well as some others [14]. SOHR, which confirms the pocket is 4,000 square kilometers in size, especially has been extensively used by Wikipedia for territorial changes throughout the years. Pro-government Masdar media outlet and Reuters also reaffirm the existence of an IS pocket in the Syrian desert [15] [16], which is entirely surrounded by Syrian government forces (not controlled) as per both Masdar and Reuters [17] [18]. Last attempt by the SAA to clear the pocket was way back in September [19]. Multiple sources (which confirm it) trump one source which, for some reason, has decided to ignore the pocket in the central desert. EkoGraf ( talk) 13:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Under Main belligerents, when showing the CJTF–OIR section, instead of the denmark flag there is the nazi germany flag............. please fix that, i can't edit the box-thingy (don't know how it called in english) with visual editing. if it's a bug and only i see it for some reason, feel free to delete this talk section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by רם אבני ( talk • contribs) 19:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Now several months out of date. Sdrawkcab ( talk) 11:43, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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I just came across Astana Platform in the new page queue and noticed that it's not well-integrated with other Syrian Civil War articles. It's also heavily reliant on Sputnik and other dubious sources and thus could probably use some attention from editors active in this subject. signed, Rosguill talk 20:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi there. I can't help but feel that the whole timeline area is somewhat difficult to navigate currently. The Afghanistan war article has a layout which could apply here: War in Afghanistan (2001-present)#History. That is, a table with dates down the left, and a one-line description of what happened on the right with a link to the relevant articles. The war is of course an incredibly complex topic- but something like this:
Period | Main event(s) |
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March–July 2011 | Protests, civil uprising, and defections |
July 2011–April 2012 | Initial armed insurgency |
... | ... |
-- ERAGON ( talk) 21:03, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
This information has been removed, with the following edit summary: "The addition of biased images was discussed against at the talk page, as well as not to include the ages of the civilian casualties of both sides. See: Talk:2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria/Archive 1#5 children among 7 civilians killed yesterday, Talk:2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria/Archive 1#Turkish civilian deaths. The children picture related to chemical attack which is notable & not just some random victim picture. Also, update section on "Belligerents". I think it is relevant and should be included. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 11:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it's as massive as ever...
Ran the page-size tool on it and here are the results
And another thing - according to the Manual of Style guideline of MOS:INFOBOX, infoboxes are supposed to provide a summary of the article, an overview of the article. This infobox has people in it who are not listed in the article at all like Riad Darar & Qasem Soleimani, it has multiple hide-show components that link elsewhere - like Units Involved/Opposing forces which leads to Belligerents of the Syrian Civil War#Opposing forces which is massive in and of itself, meaning the infobox is even bigger than you think it is at first glance. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE states
The size of the infobox has been mentioned on the talk page before - sometimes by me, sometimes by others, here are a few examples:
I gave up on my earlier efforts to reduce the size of the infobox a while ago and at this time don't intend to even try to reduce the size myself (though consensus at the RfC was for the size of the infobox being reduced) so perhaps this was all just a bit of a rant but looking at how big the infobox has gotten, I do think we need to ask ourselves - does the infobox serve the article or does the article serve the infobox... Shearonink ( talk) 06:11, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Shearonink: @ MTWEmperor: I've tried placing {{clear}} after the box and a paragraph of lead before it, so at least part of the lead is visible when you load the article, but ppl keep reverting it to visual garbage. Is there an option to collapse the info box, the way we do nav boxes? That would be at least a temporary fix until we work out a permanent solution. — kwami ( talk) 20:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Concensus? How about common sense, or blocking the editors who are repeatedly vandalizing the article. This issue is just something I stumbled across, not s.t. I care much about, so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people who think "hey, let's make the article illegible!" is a good idea. BTW, on my browser the lead is not *nearly* as legible as it is in the screenshot at right -- I wouldn't bother trying to fix it if it were merely that bad. Meanwhile, I collapsed the infobox, though I don't expect the proponents of illegibility to like that. — kwami ( talk) 18:59, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Added a section to update some events. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 20:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
I would like to add the following paragraph to the article lead. thanks.
In October 2019, in response to the Turkish offensive, Russia arranged for negotiations between the Syrian government in Damascus and the Kurdish-led forces. [1] [2] Mazloum Abdi, the Syrian Kurdish commander-in-chief, announced that they are ready to partner with Vladimir Putin (Russia) and Bashar al-Assad (Syria), stating that "We know that we would have to make painful compromises with Moscow and Bashar al-Assad if we go down the road of working with them. But if we have to choose between compromises and the genocide of our people, we will surely choose life for our people." [3]The agreement specified some regions where the SDF has agreed to the deployment of Syrian Army troops, and also areas of northeastern Syria that will be managed by the Syrian government in Damascus. [4] According to Syrian Kurdish officials, the deal allows Syrian government forces to take over security in some border areas, but the Kurds' own administration would maintain control of local institutions. [5]
thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 22:34, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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added information on Rojava to section on Constitution Committee. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 02:46, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I have added the following text to the article. Please feel free to add this information to any articles which pertain to the current plight of refugees in Syria!!
Section: Syrian_Civil_War#United_Nations_dispute
As of December 18, 2019, a diplomatic dispute is occurring at the UN over re-authorization of cross-border aid for refugees. China and Russia are opposing the current draft resolution that seeks to re-authorize crossing points in Turkey, Iraq, and Jordan; China and Russia, as allies of Assad, seek to close the two crossing points in Iraq and Jordan, and to leave only the two crossing points in Turkey active. [1]
All of the ten individuals representing the non-permanent members of the Security Council stood in the corridor outside of the chamber speaking to the press to state that all four crossing points are crucial and must be renewed. [1]
United Nations official Mark Lowcock is asking the UN to re-authorize cross-border aid to enable aid to continue to reach refugees in Syria. He says there is no other way to deliver the aid that is needed. He noted that four million refugees out of the over eleven million refugees who need assistance are being reached through four specific international crossing points. Lowcock serves as the United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator and the Head of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. [2]
I appreciate it. thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
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Sm8900, this is WAY too much detail for the lead. MOS:LEADLENGTH says that the lead section of an article should generally not be more than three or four paragraphs long. You've made it 10, with the majority of those being devoted to a series of events happening over just a few months' time in an 8.5-year war. What the hell were you thinking? The lead does need to be adjusted, with less emphasis on all the various nations involved and more on which sides are winning or losing. Maybe say something about the causes as well, which seem to be largely overlooked. There's probably a little bit more about Lebanon than is necessary. But adding 6 paragraphs to the lead about one campaign out of many is absurd. Display name 99 ( talk) 05:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Display name 99, SharabSalam, El C, I have added some text to the following EXISTING section, Syrian_Civil_War#Peace_process_and_de-escalation_zones. I felt this was more in keeping with the valid concerns that you have expresssed above, regarding WP:UNDUE and other points. I hope this is okay. I am pleased to be able to discuss this here, in view of your obvious interest in and commitment to improving the encyclopedia entry.
I sought to keep the text below brief and to the point. I think it also fits in with the existing section where I added it. I hope this seems okay and valid for this entry. thanks.
I also added text to some other existing sections as well. You can see them in the article history. thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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===New agreements===
thanks. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
SharabSalam, any thoughts? thanks!! -- Sm8900 ( talk) 14:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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approximately Arab 50%, Alawite 15%, Kurd 10%, Levantine 10%, other 15% (includes Druze, Ismaili, Imami, Nusairi, Assyrian, Turkmen, Armenian);
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approximately Arab 50%, Alawite 15%, Kurd 10%, Levantine 10%, other 15% (includes Druze, Ismaili, Imami, Assyrian, Turkmen, Armenian);
Removed Nusairi because it is another, pejorative, name for Alawites which are already mention as the second largest demographic.
The percentages were put Congo spank ( talk) 07:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
added section that discusses the US sanctions. -- Sm8900 ( talk) 02:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Are there any objections to utilizing a similar method as the "Units involved" section See order on the "Commanders and leaders" and "Strength" sections of the infobox
Basically I am proposing we create a similar link for those two sections and using combined strength total for each country and a short list of let's say current leaders for each country (or something else if anyone has any other ideas). Because it may look ok on desktop but mobile doesn't have the hide option and EVERY SINGLE commander/leader is displayed on the mobile version including the hidden "Killed" section ones.
We all agree it's too big so let's actually shorten it and consolidate it. @ EkoGraf: @ Sopher99: @ Greyshark09: @ Editor abcdef: @ DylanLacey: @ Mikrobølgeovn: @ Hanibal911: @ Mr.User200: @ LightandDark2000: @ FutureTrillionaire: @ Mehmedsons: @ Avaya1: @ Fitzcarmalan: @ NuclearWizard: @ North Atlanticist Usonian: @ Kwamikagami: @ Shearonink: @ Moxy:
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Change $6.5 billon to $6.5 billion Tokuju ( talk) 13:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 14:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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Syrian civil war – "Syrian Civil War" is not a proper name, and many major publications do not capitalize each word. I believe this was discussed a few years ago without any consensus. It's even more telling that in 2020 it's still not a proper name.
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...between the Syrian Army and rebel forces throughout the Syrian Civil War.The same reason "the Syrian Army" was capitalized is used to capitalize the "Syrian Civil War.-- SharʿabSalam▼ ( talk) 00:03, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
When I hover over [a], the pop up says "a". When I click on it, it does move me to the note, but the pop up should read the text, too.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 18:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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