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Hi, appreciate if someone can update the map found at the beginning of this article. There are no Sumatran rhinos left in the Malay Peninsula, and there is only one remaining female rhino in Sabah (northern Borneo), therefore the map is no longer accurate. 203.106.220.77 ( talk) 08:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
As with Javan Rhinoceros, I'd like to propose a merge of the three subspecies articles, Western Sumatran Rhinoceros, Eastern Sumatran Rhinoceros and Northern Sumatran Rhinoceros. In addition to these names being slightly dubious (these geographical names are not common in the literature), the subspecies are not, in my opinion, different enough to warrant their own articles. Their sizes are slightly different, as is their geography, but otherwise they are the same. Or, in other words, if the articles were comprehensive they would be 95 percent redundant. Just as Javan Rhinoceros has dealt comprehensively with three subspecies, I believe we can do the same here. -- JayHenry 08:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
These need to be cleaned up. I find it better to make the footnotes short, Harvard citation-like, and list the references proper in a separate section, not as footnotes. This will help keep the maintext code concise and avoid that inexperienced editors mess up the referencing, such as here (all the references will have to be retraced because it's impossible to say now where they actually belong). Dysmorodrepanis 12:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I changed primitive to "less derived." The reference article uses primitive, but it discusses primitive traits, not the most primitive species. This section in this article is unclear as someone commented. The reference article on 5 extant species shows two strong clades, the Dicerotina and Rhinocerotina, with Dicerorhinus not in either clade. The authors place Dicerorhinus as sister to the Rhinocerotina but admit support for it as sister to the African rhino clade is an equally likely topology and the clade Dicerorhinus-Rhinocerotina (their choice) is not as strongly supported as the other two clades (Dicerotina and Rhinocerotina). Other molecular studies have placed Dicerorhinus in a sister group with the Dicerotina, not with the Rhinocerotina. The discussion on primitive traits does not say it most resembles its Miocene ancestors. Can someone quote the reference article on this? -- Amaltheus ( talk) 22:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I like Rhinoceros... They smell good... I also like eggs... They smell good too... Not as good as Rhinoceros's though... but they still smell good... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hidden from site ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I didn't get it clearly from the article - Does (or doesn't) the chinese medicine use the horns of the sumatran rhinos? At the first place it is mentioned that they are highly valued, and in the "conservation" chapter it is mentioned that some belief about this use was found wrong. If the answer is yes (the chinese does use ...), what use exactly is it then? Yours, User:Yaron (he) 17:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I took some pictures of a Sumatran rhinoceros that seem more clear than the ones used here. I've uploaded them to the Wikimedia Commons. The best one is here. Sumatran Rhino. I took them at the Toronto Zoo. As I'm a newbie here, I haven't changed anything.
Baffledexpert ( talk) 17:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
So the article says that in 2004 an outbreak of surra brought the population of captive rhinos down to 8, and then this number dwindled so that by 1997 only three remained. Um, does this make sense to anyone?
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A new article, D. s. sumatrensis has recently been created (apparently from scratch). Since it was previously been agreed (above) to merge the sub-species back into this article, it would seem reasonable to do the same again. I have left a message to this effect with the article creator and on the article talk-page. -- CharlieDelta ( talk) 19:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Cite 9 of this article is a full book and there are no page numbers given for each cite. This could threaten its FA sttaus.
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"In 1814 the species was given a scientific name, by Johann Fischer von Waldheim, a German scientist and curator of the State Darwin Museum in Moscow, Russia."
Our article State Darwin Museum says the museum was founded in 1907, and certainly there was nothing named after Darwin anywhere in 1814. Further, there is an image of a stuffed rhino calling it the last captive specimen (died 1972) right next to a paragraph describing captive specimens in Cincinnati in the last decade. I'm not sure what is intended in either case or I would fix it myself. Srnec ( talk) 22:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Since there are several prehistoric species other than the one this article is about, the genus page should perhaps be split? Other language Wikis have long done this. [2] [3] [4] [5] FunkMonk ( talk) 05:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I think there should be a better summarisation of the referenced research ( Morales). It is talking about 4 examined population in which they found NO difference between 2 populations (Malay penn. / East Sumatra), found slightly distinct the pop. of West Sumatra, and found large difference of Borneo pop. compared to these. (So, these are the 3 lineages) The difference is big enough among them that can not be explained by that Sumatra AND Borneo was part of the continental shelf during last ice age, because it must come from earlier. So there was a semiarid North-South boundary between Sumatra and Borneo, while between the Malay penn. and East Sumatra did not have such boundary, and the West Sumatra pop. was separated by Barisan Mountains however much earlier (Cretaceous) but was not that srict boundary.
Also I think, to the interbreeding part (between and among these lineage) it could be added that researchers examine mithocondrial DNA, and not nuclear, so they warn against to involve Borneo pop. because they do not have proper examinations on the effect of breedig, and it is better to avoid demage untill more examinations clarify it or results of other programs prove no harm of it.
Please refine the section. (My english is not perfect for this, and also I am an engineer...) Thanks JSoos ( talk) 23:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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Might I suggest someone making a new range map for this species as the current one is quite out of date. The population on the Malaysian Peninsula is thought to have gone extinct, as has the one in Sabah, and a new population has been discovered in East Kalimantan. I'd do it myself, but I'm not entirely sure how. BronxZooFan ( talk) 20:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, the Sumatran rhino "was common in China prior to the 5th century BCE" source: https://www.ancient.eu/article/1143/armour-in-ancient-chinese-warfare/ 2602:306:3810:540:3847:3CC9:D333:33D6 ( talk) 16:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
-- This article could help make a new range maps: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/10/explore-atlas-sumatran-rhino-critically-endangered-conservation/ BronxZooFan ( talk) 04:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, appreciate if someone can update the map found at the beginning of this article. There are no Sumatran rhinos left in the Malay Peninsula, and there is only one remaining female rhino in Sabah (northern Borneo), therefore the map is no longer accurate. 203.106.220.77 ( talk) 08:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
As with Javan Rhinoceros, I'd like to propose a merge of the three subspecies articles, Western Sumatran Rhinoceros, Eastern Sumatran Rhinoceros and Northern Sumatran Rhinoceros. In addition to these names being slightly dubious (these geographical names are not common in the literature), the subspecies are not, in my opinion, different enough to warrant their own articles. Their sizes are slightly different, as is their geography, but otherwise they are the same. Or, in other words, if the articles were comprehensive they would be 95 percent redundant. Just as Javan Rhinoceros has dealt comprehensively with three subspecies, I believe we can do the same here. -- JayHenry 08:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
These need to be cleaned up. I find it better to make the footnotes short, Harvard citation-like, and list the references proper in a separate section, not as footnotes. This will help keep the maintext code concise and avoid that inexperienced editors mess up the referencing, such as here (all the references will have to be retraced because it's impossible to say now where they actually belong). Dysmorodrepanis 12:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I changed primitive to "less derived." The reference article uses primitive, but it discusses primitive traits, not the most primitive species. This section in this article is unclear as someone commented. The reference article on 5 extant species shows two strong clades, the Dicerotina and Rhinocerotina, with Dicerorhinus not in either clade. The authors place Dicerorhinus as sister to the Rhinocerotina but admit support for it as sister to the African rhino clade is an equally likely topology and the clade Dicerorhinus-Rhinocerotina (their choice) is not as strongly supported as the other two clades (Dicerotina and Rhinocerotina). Other molecular studies have placed Dicerorhinus in a sister group with the Dicerotina, not with the Rhinocerotina. The discussion on primitive traits does not say it most resembles its Miocene ancestors. Can someone quote the reference article on this? -- Amaltheus ( talk) 22:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I like Rhinoceros... They smell good... I also like eggs... They smell good too... Not as good as Rhinoceros's though... but they still smell good... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hidden from site ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I didn't get it clearly from the article - Does (or doesn't) the chinese medicine use the horns of the sumatran rhinos? At the first place it is mentioned that they are highly valued, and in the "conservation" chapter it is mentioned that some belief about this use was found wrong. If the answer is yes (the chinese does use ...), what use exactly is it then? Yours, User:Yaron (he) 17:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I took some pictures of a Sumatran rhinoceros that seem more clear than the ones used here. I've uploaded them to the Wikimedia Commons. The best one is here. Sumatran Rhino. I took them at the Toronto Zoo. As I'm a newbie here, I haven't changed anything.
Baffledexpert ( talk) 17:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
So the article says that in 2004 an outbreak of surra brought the population of captive rhinos down to 8, and then this number dwindled so that by 1997 only three remained. Um, does this make sense to anyone?
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A new article, D. s. sumatrensis has recently been created (apparently from scratch). Since it was previously been agreed (above) to merge the sub-species back into this article, it would seem reasonable to do the same again. I have left a message to this effect with the article creator and on the article talk-page. -- CharlieDelta ( talk) 19:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Cite 9 of this article is a full book and there are no page numbers given for each cite. This could threaten its FA sttaus.
LittleJerry (
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"In 1814 the species was given a scientific name, by Johann Fischer von Waldheim, a German scientist and curator of the State Darwin Museum in Moscow, Russia."
Our article State Darwin Museum says the museum was founded in 1907, and certainly there was nothing named after Darwin anywhere in 1814. Further, there is an image of a stuffed rhino calling it the last captive specimen (died 1972) right next to a paragraph describing captive specimens in Cincinnati in the last decade. I'm not sure what is intended in either case or I would fix it myself. Srnec ( talk) 22:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Since there are several prehistoric species other than the one this article is about, the genus page should perhaps be split? Other language Wikis have long done this. [2] [3] [4] [5] FunkMonk ( talk) 05:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I think there should be a better summarisation of the referenced research ( Morales). It is talking about 4 examined population in which they found NO difference between 2 populations (Malay penn. / East Sumatra), found slightly distinct the pop. of West Sumatra, and found large difference of Borneo pop. compared to these. (So, these are the 3 lineages) The difference is big enough among them that can not be explained by that Sumatra AND Borneo was part of the continental shelf during last ice age, because it must come from earlier. So there was a semiarid North-South boundary between Sumatra and Borneo, while between the Malay penn. and East Sumatra did not have such boundary, and the West Sumatra pop. was separated by Barisan Mountains however much earlier (Cretaceous) but was not that srict boundary.
Also I think, to the interbreeding part (between and among these lineage) it could be added that researchers examine mithocondrial DNA, and not nuclear, so they warn against to involve Borneo pop. because they do not have proper examinations on the effect of breedig, and it is better to avoid demage untill more examinations clarify it or results of other programs prove no harm of it.
Please refine the section. (My english is not perfect for this, and also I am an engineer...) Thanks JSoos ( talk) 23:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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Might I suggest someone making a new range map for this species as the current one is quite out of date. The population on the Malaysian Peninsula is thought to have gone extinct, as has the one in Sabah, and a new population has been discovered in East Kalimantan. I'd do it myself, but I'm not entirely sure how. BronxZooFan ( talk) 20:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, the Sumatran rhino "was common in China prior to the 5th century BCE" source: https://www.ancient.eu/article/1143/armour-in-ancient-chinese-warfare/ 2602:306:3810:540:3847:3CC9:D333:33D6 ( talk) 16:14, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
-- This article could help make a new range maps: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/10/explore-atlas-sumatran-rhino-critically-endangered-conservation/ BronxZooFan ( talk) 04:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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