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"... By 1837, France was the largest sugar beet producer in the world, a position it continued to hold in the world in 2010. By 1837, there were 542 factories in France, producing 35,000 tonnes of sugar. By 1880, Germany became the largest sugar beet to sugar producer in the world.[7]..."
Do you mean France was the biggest producer of the sugar beet as a crop while Germany had the largest processed sugar output from its factories? Rewriting of this sentence may do good to make it clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.143.204 ( talk) 14:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Alright, guys, decent article but what is with this line:
Shimmin, you've rewritten it a lot and it is now probably too specialised. We are not here to write a text bok on the chemistry of sugar beet processing. You have also removed the sense of Milk of lime and Carbon Dioxide being added simultaneously to the raw juice which is the case in most UK and USA processing. GraemeLeggett 08:04, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ukraine is a country in Europe, the sentence makes no sense. Like saying "USA and California". / Grillo 10:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you cook and eat sugar beets? Or do they not taste good? Are they sweeter then regular beets? 71.199.123.24 06:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
There should be something about the subsidies of sugar beet production in the EU. They were either severely curtailed, or ended, such that a decision was taken in Ireland to end the entire sugar beet production in the country in 2006.
So sad, Siucra (Irish sugar brand omnipresent in Ireland, and "sugar" in the Irish language) will just be imported now. More pollution from shipping goods from abroad. Woohoo!
zoney ♣ talk 22:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Use of sugarbeet pulp as cattle feed is mentioned. I would like to know if whole beet is used as cattle feed. What is the experience in using whole beet as cattle feed. Pros and cones of using whole beet as cattle feed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.8.137.178 ( talk) 11:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
Which is a better crop in terms of work needed to cultivate to suger output? I hope thats sensical.-- Doom Child 01:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I recommend against including the names of heads of USDA research stations, as they may be temporary and reassigned. There are not links to the stations themselves.-- Parkwells ( talk) 19:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I have seen two types of liquid plant foods that contain sugar beet as an ingredient. Anybody got any info on this that can go in the article? Campestre ( talk) 19:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
This statement should be reworded or removed. In the Netherlands this period is known as "de bietencampagne", a time to be careful when driving local roads in the area the beets are grown. The reason for this is the naturally high clay content of the soil, causing slippery roads when soil falls from the trailers during transport. In Germany this period is known as Zuckerrübenkampagne requires just as careful driving as in the Netherlands because the roads don't get any less slippery than there. I bet other European nations have terms for the period in their own languages and dirty roads are not that uncommon with this type of crop. We could rephrase it more generally and leave out the Dutch name or add a list of local names in various languages at the bottom.
I would recommned this be removed as it stopped production some years ago and has now been demolished —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.184.49 ( talk) 20:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Should a section be added on the use of Sugar Beet syrup to de-ice roads? Aristotle28 ( talk) 01:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I have heard that cane sugar tastes different to some people and has different properties when caramelizing or baking. A quick google turns up < http://www.home-ec101.com/beet-sugar-v-cane-sugar-august-2010/>, although that's not a primary source. Will someone who knows the facts add them to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.167.150.33 ( talk) 21:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
There's a whole section in the article called "Glyphosate". In practice, this means Monsanto's Roundup herbicide.
Monsanto also commercializes genetically modified sugar beets, resistant to their Roundup herbicide. The section gives the impression genetically modified sugar beets requires less herbicide (Glyphosate). Articles dispute this:
I'm wondering whether one could take a close look at the "Glyphosate" section, and find out whether this is a mere description of the facts, or a company PR exercise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.225.212.147 ( talk) 08:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
The article states that sugar beets need a lot of "plant food". I suppose that means fertilizer (but which kind? e.g. more or less rich in potassium?), but the wording is strange... it doesn't seem like such a good idea to copy the text verbatim from Rolph's book. And the text is somewhat self-contradictory, listing the property of retaining a great deal of moisture along the "most important requirement" (shouldn't that be "requirements", looking at the structure of the sentence?), and then stating that "the physical character is of secondary importance". Don't you think that a property of retaining a great deal of moisture is part of the physical character of a soil? Icek ( talk) 19:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
According to the rules of Wikipedia, I don't see how monsanto.com can be used as a reliable source of information? (or any other company for that manner)
"most reliable sources are: peer-reviewed journals; books published by university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources
So, should more or all of the monsanto references be removed or replaced with reliable sources? I think the one from Michigan Sugar Company cannot be reliable either?
Interested to know what others think? Plmoknqwerty ( talk) 13:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Where did sugar beets originate from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.225.169 ( talk) 11:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
The map image "Sugar beet output in 2009" is misleading. It appears to indicate that the US sugar beet production is centered around the East Coast, although it is in fact predominately Northern. The map should be corrected or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpareShoes ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The fact that this plant is successfully grown in Wisconsin, California, England, Poland and Turkey surely makes the statement that it requires a "unique climate" to be completely nonsense. It has some specific climatic requirements, but those criteria can be met with a wide range of climate types and not some specific "unique" climate. Tallewang ( talk) 20:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
In the History|United States section, there is this phrase "...the foul tasting free sugar from Asia". What does this refer to? What does "free" mean? 101.117.12.165 ( talk) 06:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion of Glyphosate was removed with the edit summary "sources are neither scientific nor reliable. pls discuss on Talk page if you feel strongly per WP:BRD."
The blanket dismissal of all the sources as unscientific is not justified, and I've just used one of them as an addition to the Glyphosate page. It is both reliable and scientific, and gets to the heart of a serious issue here in wikipedia and elsewhere, that any criticism of Glyphosate is routinely suppressed. Unfortunately, because of the vigorous suppression at Glyphosate, it is not possible to point to that page for further information. I agree that some of the sources are secondary, and that in an ideal world a lengthy discussion of Glyphosate would not belong on the Sugar beet page, but a total revert is not justified.
Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 15:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
@ AzaToth: What area or areas do you think are overcovered? AIRcorn (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Both Japan and Korean are large producers. Apparently up to 75% of Japanese Sugar is produced from Sugar Beets. 82.30.84.177 ( talk) 11:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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Creation was tagged in 2014, with a note that there is a discussion here. I see no discussion? Is there one here? What is the problem? If none, can tag be removed? Telecine Guy ( talk) 02:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Both the Manglewurzel and Sugar Beet claim this as their full name, but the intro to manglewurzel indicates they are distinct. Can someone please clarify this?
By the 1850s, sugar beet production had reached Russia and Ukraine. This was made possible by the protection of the sugar beet industry by bounties, or subsidies, paid to beet sugar producers upon the export of their sugar by their respective governments
Totally misleading PC crap. Effective 1850s, Ukraine IS Russia. More, it does not have any separate "government". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Антон васильков ( talk • contribs) 19:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I plan to create a page called Beet sugar factory. It would be the logical place for the whole section about producing sugar from sugar beets. This also goes for the by-products that are made in such a sugar factory. However, I'll first update the section as it is on this page. Grieg2 ( talk) 20:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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"... By 1837, France was the largest sugar beet producer in the world, a position it continued to hold in the world in 2010. By 1837, there were 542 factories in France, producing 35,000 tonnes of sugar. By 1880, Germany became the largest sugar beet to sugar producer in the world.[7]..."
Do you mean France was the biggest producer of the sugar beet as a crop while Germany had the largest processed sugar output from its factories? Rewriting of this sentence may do good to make it clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.143.204 ( talk) 14:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Alright, guys, decent article but what is with this line:
Shimmin, you've rewritten it a lot and it is now probably too specialised. We are not here to write a text bok on the chemistry of sugar beet processing. You have also removed the sense of Milk of lime and Carbon Dioxide being added simultaneously to the raw juice which is the case in most UK and USA processing. GraemeLeggett 08:04, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ukraine is a country in Europe, the sentence makes no sense. Like saying "USA and California". / Grillo 10:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you cook and eat sugar beets? Or do they not taste good? Are they sweeter then regular beets? 71.199.123.24 06:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
There should be something about the subsidies of sugar beet production in the EU. They were either severely curtailed, or ended, such that a decision was taken in Ireland to end the entire sugar beet production in the country in 2006.
So sad, Siucra (Irish sugar brand omnipresent in Ireland, and "sugar" in the Irish language) will just be imported now. More pollution from shipping goods from abroad. Woohoo!
zoney ♣ talk 22:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Use of sugarbeet pulp as cattle feed is mentioned. I would like to know if whole beet is used as cattle feed. What is the experience in using whole beet as cattle feed. Pros and cones of using whole beet as cattle feed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.8.137.178 ( talk) 11:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
Which is a better crop in terms of work needed to cultivate to suger output? I hope thats sensical.-- Doom Child 01:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I recommend against including the names of heads of USDA research stations, as they may be temporary and reassigned. There are not links to the stations themselves.-- Parkwells ( talk) 19:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I have seen two types of liquid plant foods that contain sugar beet as an ingredient. Anybody got any info on this that can go in the article? Campestre ( talk) 19:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
This statement should be reworded or removed. In the Netherlands this period is known as "de bietencampagne", a time to be careful when driving local roads in the area the beets are grown. The reason for this is the naturally high clay content of the soil, causing slippery roads when soil falls from the trailers during transport. In Germany this period is known as Zuckerrübenkampagne requires just as careful driving as in the Netherlands because the roads don't get any less slippery than there. I bet other European nations have terms for the period in their own languages and dirty roads are not that uncommon with this type of crop. We could rephrase it more generally and leave out the Dutch name or add a list of local names in various languages at the bottom.
I would recommned this be removed as it stopped production some years ago and has now been demolished —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.184.49 ( talk) 20:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Should a section be added on the use of Sugar Beet syrup to de-ice roads? Aristotle28 ( talk) 01:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I have heard that cane sugar tastes different to some people and has different properties when caramelizing or baking. A quick google turns up < http://www.home-ec101.com/beet-sugar-v-cane-sugar-august-2010/>, although that's not a primary source. Will someone who knows the facts add them to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.167.150.33 ( talk) 21:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
There's a whole section in the article called "Glyphosate". In practice, this means Monsanto's Roundup herbicide.
Monsanto also commercializes genetically modified sugar beets, resistant to their Roundup herbicide. The section gives the impression genetically modified sugar beets requires less herbicide (Glyphosate). Articles dispute this:
I'm wondering whether one could take a close look at the "Glyphosate" section, and find out whether this is a mere description of the facts, or a company PR exercise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.225.212.147 ( talk) 08:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
The article states that sugar beets need a lot of "plant food". I suppose that means fertilizer (but which kind? e.g. more or less rich in potassium?), but the wording is strange... it doesn't seem like such a good idea to copy the text verbatim from Rolph's book. And the text is somewhat self-contradictory, listing the property of retaining a great deal of moisture along the "most important requirement" (shouldn't that be "requirements", looking at the structure of the sentence?), and then stating that "the physical character is of secondary importance". Don't you think that a property of retaining a great deal of moisture is part of the physical character of a soil? Icek ( talk) 19:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
According to the rules of Wikipedia, I don't see how monsanto.com can be used as a reliable source of information? (or any other company for that manner)
"most reliable sources are: peer-reviewed journals; books published by university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources
So, should more or all of the monsanto references be removed or replaced with reliable sources? I think the one from Michigan Sugar Company cannot be reliable either?
Interested to know what others think? Plmoknqwerty ( talk) 13:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Where did sugar beets originate from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.225.169 ( talk) 11:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
The map image "Sugar beet output in 2009" is misleading. It appears to indicate that the US sugar beet production is centered around the East Coast, although it is in fact predominately Northern. The map should be corrected or removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpareShoes ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The fact that this plant is successfully grown in Wisconsin, California, England, Poland and Turkey surely makes the statement that it requires a "unique climate" to be completely nonsense. It has some specific climatic requirements, but those criteria can be met with a wide range of climate types and not some specific "unique" climate. Tallewang ( talk) 20:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
In the History|United States section, there is this phrase "...the foul tasting free sugar from Asia". What does this refer to? What does "free" mean? 101.117.12.165 ( talk) 06:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion of Glyphosate was removed with the edit summary "sources are neither scientific nor reliable. pls discuss on Talk page if you feel strongly per WP:BRD."
The blanket dismissal of all the sources as unscientific is not justified, and I've just used one of them as an addition to the Glyphosate page. It is both reliable and scientific, and gets to the heart of a serious issue here in wikipedia and elsewhere, that any criticism of Glyphosate is routinely suppressed. Unfortunately, because of the vigorous suppression at Glyphosate, it is not possible to point to that page for further information. I agree that some of the sources are secondary, and that in an ideal world a lengthy discussion of Glyphosate would not belong on the Sugar beet page, but a total revert is not justified.
Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 15:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
@ AzaToth: What area or areas do you think are overcovered? AIRcorn (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Both Japan and Korean are large producers. Apparently up to 75% of Japanese Sugar is produced from Sugar Beets. 82.30.84.177 ( talk) 11:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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Creation was tagged in 2014, with a note that there is a discussion here. I see no discussion? Is there one here? What is the problem? If none, can tag be removed? Telecine Guy ( talk) 02:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Both the Manglewurzel and Sugar Beet claim this as their full name, but the intro to manglewurzel indicates they are distinct. Can someone please clarify this?
By the 1850s, sugar beet production had reached Russia and Ukraine. This was made possible by the protection of the sugar beet industry by bounties, or subsidies, paid to beet sugar producers upon the export of their sugar by their respective governments
Totally misleading PC crap. Effective 1850s, Ukraine IS Russia. More, it does not have any separate "government". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Антон васильков ( talk • contribs) 19:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I plan to create a page called Beet sugar factory. It would be the logical place for the whole section about producing sugar from sugar beets. This also goes for the by-products that are made in such a sugar factory. However, I'll first update the section as it is on this page. Grieg2 ( talk) 20:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)