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IMO this whole section is really running afoul of WP:NOR. Apparently one editor decides to come up with novel interpretations to emphasize Stevens' lyrics in relation to Christianity; then a second editor decides to balance the content to deemphasize it; and round and round we go. Any interpretation of the lyrics aside from the trivially obvious constitutes original research. Some basic Christian references are probably just too obvious to ignore, and the same might be the case of other sorts of references. But attempts to piece together a picture of Stevens' faith or lack thereof belong in someone's doctoral thesis, not in a Wikipedia article. Please support these very soon with published sources (the citation for "Lord God Bird" is duly noted and should be preserved) or I plan to revert them, regardless of whether they're seen as pro-Christian or pro-secularism or whatever. Cheers, PhilipR 05:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Minor point - I was just checking reference 6 in the main article, and I can't see the quote in this article in the referenced text at all. Could someone either correct me, or the article? Shahid1618 15:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought the AV article is pretty clear that he attends an Anglican church. While this doesn't mean he is a Christian, it seem pretty significant. Amandamae 23:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Of course it means he's a Christian, silly buns. --?
As a former Christian, it most certainly does not mean he is a Christian. I even lead worship music for Christian groups for old times' sake once or twice after I left the faith, so do keep yourself from making presumptions. 79.176.242.243 ( talk) 23:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
The comparison to Guaraldi I removed relied on this sentence from Amazon.com: "Illinois sounds like The Sea and Cake collaborating with the high-school band from a Wes Anderson film on banjo-driven, pulsing meditations on Vince Guaraldi's music for Peanuts." PuerExMachina 06:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The song title "Maple River" almost certainly refers to the Maple River (which has several branches) in Emmet County, Michigan, where Sufjan grew up. There are four other Maple Rivers listed in Wikipedia, but this one makes the most sense. 69.145.37.174 05:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed the sentence 'There have been other times Stevens has said he does not really plan to make an album for every state, specifically listing Texas as a state he will "probably never do." !Do not put references on discussion page!' due to the fact that the quote seems to be lifted from this article, in which Sufjan actually says that he is "definitely not going to do a record about Texas birds or Florida birds." Techpeace 19:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how to properly write (in IPA technical terms) the pronunciation of Sufjan Stevens' first name but I do know its 'soof-yahn'. (See this article for proof.) Basically, I don't think the Wikipedia article has it right. 'Suf-jan' is not how you pronounce his name. So can someone who knows the IPA style correctly write the pronunciation of his name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.212.8.44 ( talk) 08:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
Why can't Soof-yahn be correct? That sounds exactly correct, to me... Unless I'm missing some very minor detail, like you not liking the 'h' in that transcription, your correction likely messed up the correct IPA based on what I read. I don't read IPA, though, so I'm not sure. Someone check? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.242.243 ( talk) 23:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Why does the article say that Illinois' celebration of Casimir Pulaski Day is confusing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.85.81.39 ( talk) 14:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Quoting the Article (emphasis mine): "Casimir Pulaski Day" speaks of "All the glory that the Lord has made" in the midst of personal pain and loss, while also noting the limitations of personal faith, singing, "Tuesday night at the Bible study, we lift our hands and pray over your body but nothing ever happens."
That's some odd wording. Deciding what he is noting (that his faith is "limited") is speculation into this quote; who is to say that it isn't a statement of one time his "personal faith" failed him? Or that it's denouncing christianity altogether? Or that he's not making a theological statement on whether or not healing is possible?
Or that it's sarcasm? Or any other number of ridiculous things?
I vote we drop the (again) speculation. Lackinglatin 07:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Sufjan is also a creative writing major. Many of his songs you will notice are just stories through someone's eyes - not necessarily his. E.g. Wasps of the Palisades is through the eyes of a female. Therefore any attempts to read into Sufjan through his lyrics is conjecture. Jwigton 07:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Starts off well but then tries to cram it all in . I propose to split in tw2 ... just before "His music has been likened to ..." . Will do now ... if you don't like it, well, come up with something better 203.211.102.217 08:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
"Two Faced John McCartney created "Zombies Walk!!", a mashup of "They Are Night Zombies!! They Are Neighbors!! They Have Come Back From The Dead!! Ahhhhh!" and Kanye West's "Jesus Walks"." - This quote is found under Allusions - is this correct or vandalism? Dh42 02:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
that little section is ridiculous (is unsourcable, non-academic, and the entire premise of it is opinion) , so i'm getting rid of it. aeymxq 13:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
yeah that doesnt sound biased at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.182.76.37 ( talk) 02:20, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
according to itunes, the Illinois record is actually called Illinoise. But can someone change it? I dunno how —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.192.79 ( talk) 19:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The cover art states: Sufjan Stevens invites you to come on feel the illinoise. This is a reference to a track in the Album. According to the Asthmatic Kitty record label website (Sufjan's label), the album is titled Illinois. itunes is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.231.151 ( talk) 15:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Anyone interested about more images could see http://www.flickr.com/photos/tammylo/ right now. gren グレン 04:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I think its worth providing a non-IPA pronunciation of Sufjan's name for the people who don't know how to read IPA. 128.255.134.97 ( talk) 14:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't realize that there was a link to a pronunciation guide. That resolves my issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.10.234 ( talk) 13:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
What do people think? I know that single looks very lonely but i'm sure he'll do another one soon! Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 01:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Why are all the Sufjan pages again infested with references to an album called "Illinoise"? SIGH! I've corrected all (I think) of the ones on the main page, but if anyone spots any others could they change it? Thanks x User:Guntrip 26 May '08
Agreed then. I'll revert that last edit to the page as it appears there's general consensus on the matter. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 12:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I consolidated the disorganized discography, fixed the hierarchy of the biography, removed the "notes" from the discography, which belong on each albums pages, and removed a source without that isn't referenced. Not much to discuss. Cosprings ( talk) 12:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The new album will be called "the age of adz"
https://www.scdistribution.com/sufjan/index.php?cat=AKR77cd&format=CD
sounds a lot like a "kid a" version of sufjan 8P -- Idonthavetimeforthiscarp ( talk) 13:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Discography The discography should be split into Sufjan Stevens discography. I can simply copy-and-paste, of course, but if anyone wants to go about finding citations and formatting it, that would be nice, too. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 05:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, most other artists on wikipedia have a separate page for discography. I would be more than willing to help with the transition. Klsmn22 ( talk) 22:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.72.97 ( talk) 11:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Split it. I'll help format it at some point. I've done quite a few discography edits. Adam2201 ( talk) 22:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I also agree, this would be very helpful. (bricktor) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bricktor ( talk • contribs) 02:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Stevens revealed in an interview with Eclaim! that he had been battling a "confusing and mysterious" illness which forced him to take a break from recording. I would edit this myself, but I don't trust my HTML skills. Here's the link: http://exclaim.ca/News/sufjan_stevens_discusses_his_serious_issues —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.153.226.68 ( talk) 21:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Under the "Themes" section of the article shouldn't there be reference to the homosexual themes that are found in many of Stevens' songs? I'm pretty sure there have been a few reputable sources that have discussed this. A Laughton ( talk) 21:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I definitely agree. I could've sworn he had announced in an interview somewhere that he was gay, but seeing as I came here for clarification...who knows? Coriander ( talk) 03:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
There is a strong speculation that Sufjan is releasing yet another Christmas album. http://pitchfork.com/news/47853-is-sufjan-stevens-making-a-new-christmas-record/ Pohetri ( talk) 07:26, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
The last two paragraphs of the 'Early life' section have nothing to do with Stevens' early life (apart from the little 'while in school...' bit); where should I move them to? MatthewLaw1 ( talk) 22:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Sufjan is becoming a very prominent, influential, and critically acclaimed artist. More of his songs should have their own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.23.143.198 ( talk) 02:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Anyone else think this singer was Cat Stevens at first? Given his folky sound, popularity in the Indie scene, and similar name (considering Cat Stevens is now called Yusuf Islam, given some research concerning what I should have already known) I instantly took to thinking this was Cat Stevens recording new(er) music. Stupid mistake, or does this happen with any sort of frequency? -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 10:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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" I Can't Believe It's Not Sufjan Stevens: Local musicians finish the 50 States project" Since this music is not by nor apparently endorsed by the original artist, I'm not sure if it belongs in his article, but it seems notable. Mapsax ( talk) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been brought up multiple times here (I can see at least one instance in 2013), but I think there might be enough information available to justify a brief paragraph or two on Sufjan Stevens' relationship with LGBT-related issues and themes. I understand how this can be a dicey subject, especially because, to my knowledge, he has not claimed any particular label with regard to sexual orientation. But, at this point, he has all but acknowledged that "The Predatory Wasp of the Palisades..." was about a juvenile romantic encounter with another boy (as was "Venus" on Planetarium, which he was promoting in that 2017 article linked above). He has been connected to LGBT-related projects, and I would argue that the identification of LGBT themes in his music has become a key part of the online discourse surrounding his work and is an appealing feature to much of his current fanbase. Some of this is obviously not supportable outside of original research, but I wonder if the following could somehow be included in a sexuality section without breaking Wikipedia standards (sources below are obviously not cited in Wikipedia style; just there for quick reference):
Again, not sure if it's appropriate, or if some of this would unavoidably run afoul of Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards. I'm not as well versed in all of the ins and outs as more seasoned contributors are, which is why I'm just proposing it here and letting others determine if it's something worth adding down the line. Wemedgefrodis ( talk) 18:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please delete the part about Sufjan’s name meaning “comes with the sword” in Armenian? It's not an Armenian name, and other, well known etymologies exist for others with this name, which comes from Islam (no widely used pan-Muslim names would come from Armenian, Armenians have been predominantly Christian since before Islam existed) I saw this claim reproduced on Facebook which led me to check the Wiki, and both sources in the Wiki go back to the same article if you check. I don’t know the process with updating articles and what is required to do it right. But this is so easy to research.
I’m not Armenian but I’ve been learning the language. I’ve seen several Armenians online (forums etc) express they think Sufjan was messing with the interviewer in the interview for the article that originates this claim. It’s clear that either Sufjan didn’t know at the time of the article that Armenia is a majority Christian country, or was testing the interviewer to see if they would notice this was part of his lie.
The word for sword in Armenian, FYI, is սուր ‘sur’. The suffix -յան ‘-yan’ does not mean “comes with” Keeping this claim in the article without at least changing the wording to something not only less credulous but that explicitly calls the statement into doubt reflects poorly both on Sufjan and on anyone who has put good time and energy into working on this. (“Stevens once claimed his name means …. however, this is clearly untrue, given that …”)
One more thing. A month ago there was no mention here of any Muslim figure who originated the name. Now there’s a mention of Abu Sufyan, who is not Armenian and whose name is not Armenian. But this probably is the origin of Sufjan's name, since he is an early feature in Islam. The meaning and etymology of Sufjan should be the same as Abu Sufyan's name.
There are a lot of people online that can be found with a search who will discuss this statement’s falseness. Just none from journalistic or scholarly sources, but in this case it shouldbe enough because the only original source for the claim is Sufjan’s interview. All it would take is showing this quote to a single native Armenian speaking editor]
Sorry I didn’t provide sources. I just wanted to start the discussion but if this goes nowhere in a few days I’ll try to add some. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.252.92.224 ( talk) 05:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello from 2023, old 2010 OPs (if they're still on this page)
Recently, as in around an hour ago from me posting this, Sufjan on his tumblr revealed he has Guillain–Barré syndrome, GBS. :(.
https://sufjan.com/post/728984189887807488/hi-friends-quick-update-on-my-life-im-very
Hoping he's doing better with his team!! Ddelrio08 ( talk) 13:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add details of his relationship with Evan Richardson? With the release of Javelin and his recent Tumblr post, it feels timely. Lorcanopolo ( talk) 21:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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IMO this whole section is really running afoul of WP:NOR. Apparently one editor decides to come up with novel interpretations to emphasize Stevens' lyrics in relation to Christianity; then a second editor decides to balance the content to deemphasize it; and round and round we go. Any interpretation of the lyrics aside from the trivially obvious constitutes original research. Some basic Christian references are probably just too obvious to ignore, and the same might be the case of other sorts of references. But attempts to piece together a picture of Stevens' faith or lack thereof belong in someone's doctoral thesis, not in a Wikipedia article. Please support these very soon with published sources (the citation for "Lord God Bird" is duly noted and should be preserved) or I plan to revert them, regardless of whether they're seen as pro-Christian or pro-secularism or whatever. Cheers, PhilipR 05:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Minor point - I was just checking reference 6 in the main article, and I can't see the quote in this article in the referenced text at all. Could someone either correct me, or the article? Shahid1618 15:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought the AV article is pretty clear that he attends an Anglican church. While this doesn't mean he is a Christian, it seem pretty significant. Amandamae 23:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Of course it means he's a Christian, silly buns. --?
As a former Christian, it most certainly does not mean he is a Christian. I even lead worship music for Christian groups for old times' sake once or twice after I left the faith, so do keep yourself from making presumptions. 79.176.242.243 ( talk) 23:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
The comparison to Guaraldi I removed relied on this sentence from Amazon.com: "Illinois sounds like The Sea and Cake collaborating with the high-school band from a Wes Anderson film on banjo-driven, pulsing meditations on Vince Guaraldi's music for Peanuts." PuerExMachina 06:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
The song title "Maple River" almost certainly refers to the Maple River (which has several branches) in Emmet County, Michigan, where Sufjan grew up. There are four other Maple Rivers listed in Wikipedia, but this one makes the most sense. 69.145.37.174 05:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I removed the sentence 'There have been other times Stevens has said he does not really plan to make an album for every state, specifically listing Texas as a state he will "probably never do." !Do not put references on discussion page!' due to the fact that the quote seems to be lifted from this article, in which Sufjan actually says that he is "definitely not going to do a record about Texas birds or Florida birds." Techpeace 19:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know how to properly write (in IPA technical terms) the pronunciation of Sufjan Stevens' first name but I do know its 'soof-yahn'. (See this article for proof.) Basically, I don't think the Wikipedia article has it right. 'Suf-jan' is not how you pronounce his name. So can someone who knows the IPA style correctly write the pronunciation of his name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.212.8.44 ( talk) 08:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
Why can't Soof-yahn be correct? That sounds exactly correct, to me... Unless I'm missing some very minor detail, like you not liking the 'h' in that transcription, your correction likely messed up the correct IPA based on what I read. I don't read IPA, though, so I'm not sure. Someone check? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.242.243 ( talk) 23:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Why does the article say that Illinois' celebration of Casimir Pulaski Day is confusing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.85.81.39 ( talk) 14:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Quoting the Article (emphasis mine): "Casimir Pulaski Day" speaks of "All the glory that the Lord has made" in the midst of personal pain and loss, while also noting the limitations of personal faith, singing, "Tuesday night at the Bible study, we lift our hands and pray over your body but nothing ever happens."
That's some odd wording. Deciding what he is noting (that his faith is "limited") is speculation into this quote; who is to say that it isn't a statement of one time his "personal faith" failed him? Or that it's denouncing christianity altogether? Or that he's not making a theological statement on whether or not healing is possible?
Or that it's sarcasm? Or any other number of ridiculous things?
I vote we drop the (again) speculation. Lackinglatin 07:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Sufjan is also a creative writing major. Many of his songs you will notice are just stories through someone's eyes - not necessarily his. E.g. Wasps of the Palisades is through the eyes of a female. Therefore any attempts to read into Sufjan through his lyrics is conjecture. Jwigton 07:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Starts off well but then tries to cram it all in . I propose to split in tw2 ... just before "His music has been likened to ..." . Will do now ... if you don't like it, well, come up with something better 203.211.102.217 08:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
"Two Faced John McCartney created "Zombies Walk!!", a mashup of "They Are Night Zombies!! They Are Neighbors!! They Have Come Back From The Dead!! Ahhhhh!" and Kanye West's "Jesus Walks"." - This quote is found under Allusions - is this correct or vandalism? Dh42 02:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
that little section is ridiculous (is unsourcable, non-academic, and the entire premise of it is opinion) , so i'm getting rid of it. aeymxq 13:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
yeah that doesnt sound biased at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.182.76.37 ( talk) 02:20, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
according to itunes, the Illinois record is actually called Illinoise. But can someone change it? I dunno how —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.192.79 ( talk) 19:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
The cover art states: Sufjan Stevens invites you to come on feel the illinoise. This is a reference to a track in the Album. According to the Asthmatic Kitty record label website (Sufjan's label), the album is titled Illinois. itunes is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.231.151 ( talk) 15:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Anyone interested about more images could see http://www.flickr.com/photos/tammylo/ right now. gren グレン 04:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I think its worth providing a non-IPA pronunciation of Sufjan's name for the people who don't know how to read IPA. 128.255.134.97 ( talk) 14:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't realize that there was a link to a pronunciation guide. That resolves my issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.10.234 ( talk) 13:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
What do people think? I know that single looks very lonely but i'm sure he'll do another one soon! Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 01:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Why are all the Sufjan pages again infested with references to an album called "Illinoise"? SIGH! I've corrected all (I think) of the ones on the main page, but if anyone spots any others could they change it? Thanks x User:Guntrip 26 May '08
Agreed then. I'll revert that last edit to the page as it appears there's general consensus on the matter. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 12:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I consolidated the disorganized discography, fixed the hierarchy of the biography, removed the "notes" from the discography, which belong on each albums pages, and removed a source without that isn't referenced. Not much to discuss. Cosprings ( talk) 12:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The new album will be called "the age of adz"
https://www.scdistribution.com/sufjan/index.php?cat=AKR77cd&format=CD
sounds a lot like a "kid a" version of sufjan 8P -- Idonthavetimeforthiscarp ( talk) 13:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Discography The discography should be split into Sufjan Stevens discography. I can simply copy-and-paste, of course, but if anyone wants to go about finding citations and formatting it, that would be nice, too. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 05:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, most other artists on wikipedia have a separate page for discography. I would be more than willing to help with the transition. Klsmn22 ( talk) 22:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.72.97 ( talk) 11:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Split it. I'll help format it at some point. I've done quite a few discography edits. Adam2201 ( talk) 22:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I also agree, this would be very helpful. (bricktor) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bricktor ( talk • contribs) 02:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Stevens revealed in an interview with Eclaim! that he had been battling a "confusing and mysterious" illness which forced him to take a break from recording. I would edit this myself, but I don't trust my HTML skills. Here's the link: http://exclaim.ca/News/sufjan_stevens_discusses_his_serious_issues —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.153.226.68 ( talk) 21:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Under the "Themes" section of the article shouldn't there be reference to the homosexual themes that are found in many of Stevens' songs? I'm pretty sure there have been a few reputable sources that have discussed this. A Laughton ( talk) 21:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I definitely agree. I could've sworn he had announced in an interview somewhere that he was gay, but seeing as I came here for clarification...who knows? Coriander ( talk) 03:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
There is a strong speculation that Sufjan is releasing yet another Christmas album. http://pitchfork.com/news/47853-is-sufjan-stevens-making-a-new-christmas-record/ Pohetri ( talk) 07:26, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
The last two paragraphs of the 'Early life' section have nothing to do with Stevens' early life (apart from the little 'while in school...' bit); where should I move them to? MatthewLaw1 ( talk) 22:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Sufjan is becoming a very prominent, influential, and critically acclaimed artist. More of his songs should have their own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.23.143.198 ( talk) 02:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Anyone else think this singer was Cat Stevens at first? Given his folky sound, popularity in the Indie scene, and similar name (considering Cat Stevens is now called Yusuf Islam, given some research concerning what I should have already known) I instantly took to thinking this was Cat Stevens recording new(er) music. Stupid mistake, or does this happen with any sort of frequency? -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 10:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Took this to B class, because I believe it is a pretty good background on Sufjan Stevens and his works, but lacks a lot on his early life, and could be expanded and written better. If you have any other ideas, please let me know your thoughts.-- Fresh 21:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC) |
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" I Can't Believe It's Not Sufjan Stevens: Local musicians finish the 50 States project" Since this music is not by nor apparently endorsed by the original artist, I'm not sure if it belongs in his article, but it seems notable. Mapsax ( talk) 23:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm sure this has been brought up multiple times here (I can see at least one instance in 2013), but I think there might be enough information available to justify a brief paragraph or two on Sufjan Stevens' relationship with LGBT-related issues and themes. I understand how this can be a dicey subject, especially because, to my knowledge, he has not claimed any particular label with regard to sexual orientation. But, at this point, he has all but acknowledged that "The Predatory Wasp of the Palisades..." was about a juvenile romantic encounter with another boy (as was "Venus" on Planetarium, which he was promoting in that 2017 article linked above). He has been connected to LGBT-related projects, and I would argue that the identification of LGBT themes in his music has become a key part of the online discourse surrounding his work and is an appealing feature to much of his current fanbase. Some of this is obviously not supportable outside of original research, but I wonder if the following could somehow be included in a sexuality section without breaking Wikipedia standards (sources below are obviously not cited in Wikipedia style; just there for quick reference):
Again, not sure if it's appropriate, or if some of this would unavoidably run afoul of Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards. I'm not as well versed in all of the ins and outs as more seasoned contributors are, which is why I'm just proposing it here and letting others determine if it's something worth adding down the line. Wemedgefrodis ( talk) 18:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Can someone please delete the part about Sufjan’s name meaning “comes with the sword” in Armenian? It's not an Armenian name, and other, well known etymologies exist for others with this name, which comes from Islam (no widely used pan-Muslim names would come from Armenian, Armenians have been predominantly Christian since before Islam existed) I saw this claim reproduced on Facebook which led me to check the Wiki, and both sources in the Wiki go back to the same article if you check. I don’t know the process with updating articles and what is required to do it right. But this is so easy to research.
I’m not Armenian but I’ve been learning the language. I’ve seen several Armenians online (forums etc) express they think Sufjan was messing with the interviewer in the interview for the article that originates this claim. It’s clear that either Sufjan didn’t know at the time of the article that Armenia is a majority Christian country, or was testing the interviewer to see if they would notice this was part of his lie.
The word for sword in Armenian, FYI, is սուր ‘sur’. The suffix -յան ‘-yan’ does not mean “comes with” Keeping this claim in the article without at least changing the wording to something not only less credulous but that explicitly calls the statement into doubt reflects poorly both on Sufjan and on anyone who has put good time and energy into working on this. (“Stevens once claimed his name means …. however, this is clearly untrue, given that …”)
One more thing. A month ago there was no mention here of any Muslim figure who originated the name. Now there’s a mention of Abu Sufyan, who is not Armenian and whose name is not Armenian. But this probably is the origin of Sufjan's name, since he is an early feature in Islam. The meaning and etymology of Sufjan should be the same as Abu Sufyan's name.
There are a lot of people online that can be found with a search who will discuss this statement’s falseness. Just none from journalistic or scholarly sources, but in this case it shouldbe enough because the only original source for the claim is Sufjan’s interview. All it would take is showing this quote to a single native Armenian speaking editor]
Sorry I didn’t provide sources. I just wanted to start the discussion but if this goes nowhere in a few days I’ll try to add some. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.252.92.224 ( talk) 05:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello from 2023, old 2010 OPs (if they're still on this page)
Recently, as in around an hour ago from me posting this, Sufjan on his tumblr revealed he has Guillain–Barré syndrome, GBS. :(.
https://sufjan.com/post/728984189887807488/hi-friends-quick-update-on-my-life-im-very
Hoping he's doing better with his team!! Ddelrio08 ( talk) 13:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add details of his relationship with Evan Richardson? With the release of Javelin and his recent Tumblr post, it feels timely. Lorcanopolo ( talk) 21:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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