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Is there any other difference between a doughtnut (donut) and a Sufganiyah, besides the name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.98.24.64 ( talk) 14:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
why isn't anybody answering ? Grimmjow E6 ( talk) 05:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
The modern Sufggania are 100% identical to the German doughnuts called Berliner (doughnut). I mean, 100% - the Berliners have exactly the same shape (a slightly flattened ball), exactly the same jam filling, and even the same fine sugar on top. You can find these Berliners in German supermarkets all year round, not just in Hanukkah :-) This article is incomplete without mentioning that these are identical, and why. I'm guessing that the Ashkenazi Jews from Germany brought with them their favorite type of doughnut. Nyh ( talk) 16:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the hebrew plural be סופגניות rather than סופגנייות? See e.g.
the hebrew version of this article.
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Blanu
07:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Chumash11 thank you for expanding the article with sources. However, the presentation is now difficult to follow, with sufganiyot and sfenj being talked about in the same paragraphs as if they were the same thing in Israel. This is very confusing. If it's important to mention the introduction of sfenj to Israel by Moroccan Jews, and it also becoming a popular Hanukkah food in Israel, it would be better to put it in its own section at the end. Ditto for panzerotti and other similar foods mentioned here. But the main article should be about Sufganiyah. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 19:35, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Cbpoofs: the reason for your revert is unclear. The history of sufganiyot is explained by Jewish food historians like Gil Marks (quoted here in his Encyclopedia of Jewish Food). The doughnut originated in Germany as the Berliner, moved to Poland, and came to Israel with the Polish–Jewish immigration, which occurred around the turn of the century (I haven't checked the dates). The term sufganiyah is totally an Israeli fabrication, however; perhaps what's needed here to satisfy you is a source stating just that. It was not called a suganiyah in Europe, nor in Judea. The Talmud, as reported, called it sofgan or sfogga. It should also be noted that in all these iterations, the doughnut was homemade. It only took on its present, machine-made form with the Histadrut labor union in the 1920s.
So for the infobox, Judea is totally incorrect. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to give the country of origin as Palestine? Yoninah ( talk) 22:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
There appear to be a few conflicting interests in terms of accurately describing the origin of the food.
1. The food has dramatically evolved from original mentions in the Talmud. However, at time of first mention, Judea accurately describes the region of origin.
2. The food was spread through the Jewish diaspora and the major developments (soaked break to jam filling) were undertaken by European Jews.
3. The industrialization of the process occurred in Palestine before the creation of the modern started of Israel.
4. I am unable to figure out the first use of the word sufganiyot. However the word was likely first used by Israelis.
I am mostly fine in using the word Palestine to describe the country of origin. However, it does somewhat understate the specific ethnic nature of the food (likely the reason Israel was originally chosen). Cbpoofs ( talk) 23:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I deleted "(priced at up to $3 per sufganiyah)" following "More expensive versions" in Section #4 Description since https://yeahthatskosher.com/2022/12/master-list-finding-sufganiyot-in-the-us-canada-2022/ and https://www.jta.org/2022/12/13/ny/later-latke-these-nyc-establishments-are-serving-unique-hanukkah-treats show the 2022 price is higher in North America and https://debbestfood.com/2022/12/16/the-best-jerusalem-sufganiyot-hanukah-2022/ shows it's higher in Israel (where $3 has been between NIS 10 and NIS 11 for months). Mcljlm ( talk) 20:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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Is there any other difference between a doughtnut (donut) and a Sufganiyah, besides the name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.98.24.64 ( talk) 14:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
why isn't anybody answering ? Grimmjow E6 ( talk) 05:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
The modern Sufggania are 100% identical to the German doughnuts called Berliner (doughnut). I mean, 100% - the Berliners have exactly the same shape (a slightly flattened ball), exactly the same jam filling, and even the same fine sugar on top. You can find these Berliners in German supermarkets all year round, not just in Hanukkah :-) This article is incomplete without mentioning that these are identical, and why. I'm guessing that the Ashkenazi Jews from Germany brought with them their favorite type of doughnut. Nyh ( talk) 16:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the hebrew plural be סופגניות rather than סופגנייות? See e.g.
the hebrew version of this article.
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Blanu
07:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Chumash11 thank you for expanding the article with sources. However, the presentation is now difficult to follow, with sufganiyot and sfenj being talked about in the same paragraphs as if they were the same thing in Israel. This is very confusing. If it's important to mention the introduction of sfenj to Israel by Moroccan Jews, and it also becoming a popular Hanukkah food in Israel, it would be better to put it in its own section at the end. Ditto for panzerotti and other similar foods mentioned here. But the main article should be about Sufganiyah. Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 19:35, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Cbpoofs: the reason for your revert is unclear. The history of sufganiyot is explained by Jewish food historians like Gil Marks (quoted here in his Encyclopedia of Jewish Food). The doughnut originated in Germany as the Berliner, moved to Poland, and came to Israel with the Polish–Jewish immigration, which occurred around the turn of the century (I haven't checked the dates). The term sufganiyah is totally an Israeli fabrication, however; perhaps what's needed here to satisfy you is a source stating just that. It was not called a suganiyah in Europe, nor in Judea. The Talmud, as reported, called it sofgan or sfogga. It should also be noted that in all these iterations, the doughnut was homemade. It only took on its present, machine-made form with the Histadrut labor union in the 1920s.
So for the infobox, Judea is totally incorrect. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to give the country of origin as Palestine? Yoninah ( talk) 22:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
There appear to be a few conflicting interests in terms of accurately describing the origin of the food.
1. The food has dramatically evolved from original mentions in the Talmud. However, at time of first mention, Judea accurately describes the region of origin.
2. The food was spread through the Jewish diaspora and the major developments (soaked break to jam filling) were undertaken by European Jews.
3. The industrialization of the process occurred in Palestine before the creation of the modern started of Israel.
4. I am unable to figure out the first use of the word sufganiyot. However the word was likely first used by Israelis.
I am mostly fine in using the word Palestine to describe the country of origin. However, it does somewhat understate the specific ethnic nature of the food (likely the reason Israel was originally chosen). Cbpoofs ( talk) 23:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
I deleted "(priced at up to $3 per sufganiyah)" following "More expensive versions" in Section #4 Description since https://yeahthatskosher.com/2022/12/master-list-finding-sufganiyot-in-the-us-canada-2022/ and https://www.jta.org/2022/12/13/ny/later-latke-these-nyc-establishments-are-serving-unique-hanukkah-treats show the 2022 price is higher in North America and https://debbestfood.com/2022/12/16/the-best-jerusalem-sufganiyot-hanukah-2022/ shows it's higher in Israel (where $3 has been between NIS 10 and NIS 11 for months). Mcljlm ( talk) 20:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)