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...that this article was featured on the Did You Know? section of the Main Page on 22 September, 2005. The entry read "...that Dr.Subramanian Swamy worked towards normalizing relations between India & China and in 1981 he persuaded Deng Xiaoping to open the Kailash Mansarovar in Tibet to Hindu pilgrims from India? " -- Gurubrahma 12:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can someone knowledgeable throw light on what dialect of Chinese language, Dr. Subramanian Swamy was expert at? The page had Guoyeu before anon changed it to Hanyu. Asking just to confirm if it isn't a case of vandalism..... Gurubrahma 05:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Why is this article in a terrible state regarding NPOV? There is a lot of denigrating language about Swamy's opponents, as well as undue glorification. There is also a need for Wikification, modernization. - User:Rama's Arrow.
I applied the "ATTENTION" tag becoz: This whole article is about a man who leads a party that barely wins 1 seat in parliament each time. he has done no special work in his life. Most Indian PMs have smaller bios here! Somebody has to strip down the crap and produce a legitimate article. - User:Rama's Arrow.
Hi all,
The exploits reference can be found in the following page:
The exploits have been placed because they are a integral part of Subramaniam Swamy, that made him famous. This is the same reason due to which the theory of relativity has been placed in the Albert Einstein section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.56.193.118 ( talk • contribs)
I have reverted multiple edits by User:Gmauruthi as they are verbatim copyvio from [1]. This also does away the need for having the POV-section tag and factual accuracy tag inserted by other editors as the section itself is removed because of the copyvio. In the process, I've also reverted POV rant by an anon IP. The reversion has removed a fair-use image which I would not reinstate (as I'm not sure if it qualifies under fair use) and a link to Janata Party website which I would re-insert shortly. Trust this solves all the issues. -- Gurubrahma 06:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
If nobody can give me a reliable reference for the Sonia Gandhi story, I'm editing it out. Hornplease 17:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not understand why this article doesn't have an NPOV tag? As far as I can see the only references are either written by or associated with Dr Swamy himself. This is cause for serious concern. I am going to put in an NPOV tag here in a few days - however, I thought i'll put in a notice in the talk page before I do that. -- Rev.bayes 19:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Will the single-purpose accounts who persist in adding misleading text about Dr. Swamy's time at Harvard please source their additions? Hornplease 04:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
How can a ordinary MP from India possibly meet the premier of China? I think such a meeting is fictional. Anwar ( talk) 10:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Rajiv Gandhi Assasination Case's Jain Comission report says he is important person of the case, to be investgated. He should be having links with the assiasination of Rajiv Gandhi.
Watch the following video, which gives a new angle about him. Its true or false; its in the hands of CBI. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PY-yKwbH0c&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIXQf_lxoms&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZYhtG_1SE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2klM8KEzNU&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhagatbabu ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the following addition, per WP:BLP policy; the facts stated are not given in the source - there is no mention of Swamy in the link. Chzz ► 17:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Murder Case
Subramanian Swamy is a strong supporter of Sankaracharya of the Kanchi Mutt , the prime accused in the infamous Sankararaman murder case.<ref>http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/21kanchi.htm</ref>
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I have removed the above section, which contained the following content:
Not a single one of the alleged references mentioned Subramanian Swamy, let alone support that he was "instrumental" in getting the stay from the Supreme Court. If this section is to be restored, it should contain third-party references which actually discuss his views, to prove that his views on the matter are notable and that he actually played a notable role in the events surrounding the act. Finally, there is no evidence that the bill was actually called "All Caste Becomes Priest Act"; I only see this term on Wikipedia, and I can't find any news coverage which actually names the bill rather than merely describing it. cab ( call) 14:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody throw light on the relationship between the newspaper The Hindu and Subramania Swamy. I ask this because the newspaper reports about every press conference he arranges, publishes every press statement he makes, publishes prominently articles written by him.
Andamannicobar ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC).
The 3 citations for this section are an article written by Dr. Swamy, a book written by him and his profile at an institution where he is the chairman which makes me wonder exactly how neutral (or true) the information is. Ashwan ( talk) 20:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
subramanian Swami was former member of RSS-- Vicharam ( talk) 19:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Image(Photograph) has "Moral issues" portrays "unfairly demean or ridicule the subject" see Wikipedia:Image use policy., "out of context to present a person in a a false or disparaging light". it looks as ferocious & "negative in appearance", Editors shall provide image, fair portrayal of him. Thistorian ( talk) 17:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
This is Encyclopedia,in Biography of living persons, long sentences should be avoided , trimmed & Summarised. excess informations like who said what? why? his reactions, what others felt, others opinion, shows like "Diary" & leads to trivia. Information in Controversy section should not be more detailed than actual whole Biography. It is negative portrayal & Maligning. Neutrality should be maintained. Thistorian ( talk) 17:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the section on the Twitter controversy and placed the article under semi protection for 2 weeks, as a result of the constant reverting. Please do not include defamatory quotes or tweets, even if they are sourced. All content added to this article must be subject to Wikipedia's neutrality and biographies of living persons policies. Harryboyles 20:30, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, all @Widr, @Frosty, @NeilN my query is regarding is on addition of heading in the article "Views on homosexuality". I have searched on the internet and youtube and have found that his view on homosexuality had come only once as his personal tweet. He had never again expressed his views again in the public press and social media, etc like wise he had expressed on other topics such as Economic and foreign affairs, corruption, religious views,views on Gandhi-Nehru family, etc repeatedly.
My question is that is it right to include his view on the topic, when that view had been expressed only once through twitter only, and not through the electronic media directly. Isn't it should be counted be as a trivial case and not be counted as a encyclopedic topic being included in wikipedia, it may appear as a case of vandalism also. Work2win ( talk) 20:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Based on the discussion with editors @Widr, @Frosty and @NeilN on their talk pages, talkpageWidr, talkpageFrosty and talkpageNeilN, i am now proceeding with removal of heading "Views on homosexuality" in the article. Work2win ( talk) 19:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, User:Fnordware thanks for pointing out the error
well first of all whatever editing i have done is with the consensus with editors who had also agreed with the point. You can raise your point with the editors and involve others. Second thing, not everything covered in the media should be put in the wiki articles, there are lot of news related with film industry(actor's personal lives) covered by the same mainstream media. To be very specific, for eg. there are many allegations put forward by Swamy against the Gandhi-Nehru family and covered by all the reliable media, should that also be included, only those which are consistent with policies of Wikipedia are finally accepted. The media publishes almost everything including anyone's view whether it is relevant or not. You can see Rahul Gandhi talk page where discussion shows why much of the data present in main media is not accepted in the article. Work2win ( talk) 20:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the content of the 'controversy' section, because I do not believe that the facts are verified by the sources provided, per WP:BLP. Content was as follows; Chzz ► 17:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Defamation.
Subramanian Swamy has a record of making defamatory remarks against prominent leaders like Jayalalithaa , Sonia Gandhi , P.chidambram etc , he has been accused of writting articles with false information and has lost lakhs of money due to defamation suits [1]
Hindutva
Subramanian Swamy believes in Hindutva and hindu nationalism and has opposed parties considered to be in the Secular group , he has given make firery speeches against Christians and Muslims and his party allied with the BJP although his party not won a single Lok Sabha seat since 1998 recently. [2] [3] [4]
Rajiv Gandhi Assassination
In January 1991, Swamy played the key role in dismissing Karunanidhi's government on the grounds of the ltte infiltration in Tamil Nadu. During Karunanidhi's rule, Rajiv Gandhi made 13 visits to Tamil Nadu between 1989 and 1991 and came to no harm. When the state came under President's rule in January 1991, Swamy had become the de-facto chief minister. Every day he used to declare that he had wiped out the ltte's presence in the state. It was in the fifth month of Swamy's rule that Rajiv Gandhi was killed in Tamil Nadu .The Outlook Magazine criticized Mr Swamy on his book on Rajiv's Assassination , the magazine said -' it's the turn of a poorly structured mystery novel to masquerade as an investigative book that purports to unearth the hidden truths behind the murder of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi. His title focuses purely on his agenda: to deflect and refract the questions posed to him after May 21, 1991, the day the human bomb felled Rajiv Gandhi'. 'This renders Swamy's every sentence suspect, and ensures that his book fails even as a murder mystery, providing no solutions'. [5]
THIS PERSON IS TRYING TO PROTECT SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY , THE REFERNCE IS CREDIBLE EVIDENCE , I OPPOSE THIS , WIKIPEDIA CANNOT BE CALLED NEUTRAL FOR SUCH ELEMENTS. —Preceding
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Blog links should not be considered valid references, because they just illustrate viewpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wecacuee ( talk • contribs) 20:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Blogs are self-published sources see WP:BLPSPS, WP:BLPEL, WP:BLPFR, every one please, quote the rules for better editing & understanding. Thistorian ( talk) 16:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I am adding Rajiv Gandhi assassination case issue. It is about Jain Commission. It cast doubt about his dealings and suspects him in the plot. We have to just mention about it. Without it Rajiv Gandhi assassination case is not completed one.. So i added small para. -- Kurumban ( talk) 21:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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Would an interview with Subramanian Swamy from 1987 be useful here as an external link? Focus of conversation is nuclear weapons policy. http://openvault.wgbh.org/catalog/V_C4A2F865578E4A4792944415C1C49351 (I helped with the site, so it would be conflict of interest for me to just add it.) Mccallucc ( talk) 16:25, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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He is not anti-muslim. Utpalutkarsh ( talk) 19:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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talk) 19:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)The section is poorly written. Out of the four points mentioned there, three aren't even Anti-Muslim (more like pro-Hindu) and the bullet points aren't "suggestions" as the word mentioned there. For the fourth point, the article doesn't even mention Muslims in the voting right context. He has advocated that for all "Non-Hindus".
"Swamy had written a similar column in the new Indian Express...". I don't see any source for this, don't find anything on looking up either. Removed this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingcaptain ( talk • contribs) 06:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, removed the "disenfranchisement of Muslims" part as it is uncited and looks like the words in the article have been contorted there. Read the article properly before you contest that change. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 06:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Half of what is mentioned in the section aren't even his "views". They're just statements and FIRs. Why is it mentioned in the section? Let's remove that as well.
As a result of his "reprehensible" views in the articles, Harvard University cancelled two economics courses taught at the university by Swamy.[147][2]
On 3 August 2011 the National Commission for Minorities decided to file civil charges against Swamy for the article and promoting on the basis of religion.[148] On 4 October 2011 the Delhi Police registered the case.[149] Swamy was then granted police protection by the Delhi High Court.[150] On 30 January 2012 Swamy was granted anticipatory bail by the court with the condition that he would not write such articles in the future.[151]
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Mr. Subramanian Swamy is not ANTI-MUSLIM. He is liberal minded. Please remove this connotation. Wikirichiepedia ( talk) 12:06, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
One editor removed RS content which describes the BJP as Hindu Nationalist and the Janata Party as right-wing. There's no excuse for removing these descriptions. It's absolutely crucial context to most readers who will not be familiar with these parties. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 18:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Doug Weller: I will reiterate Cyphoidbomb's comment. The sources seem to be talking about a single op-ed written circa 2011 where he suggested that Muslims in India were descended from Hindus, and there were other, perhaps extreme opinions about curing terrorism that could have been seen as unfavourable toward Muslims. But a single op-ed 9 years ago doesn't sound like the basis for describing the subject as someone who is chiefly known for being anti-Muslim as the lead suggests. He even says in an article by The Atlantic that he is not against all Muslims. Since this is potentially defamatory, anyone wishing to reinstate it should seek consensus for inclusion per WP:BLP norms.
I will be removing it. Do not add it before seeking consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingcaptain ( talk • contribs)
@ Snooganssnoogans: Please read the discussion above. I'll be reverting your "he's known for being anti-muslim", and it shouldn't be there until a consensus is reached. Do not revert it. Regarding the Imran Khan Nazi comparison comment you added, it's unrelated to the section and comments like those shouldn't exist on BLPs. I find it funny that even though you know it's a BLP violation, you still added it - you started the below discussion talking about how comparison to Hitler is unencyclopedic but still you are doing something similar in this article. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Vladimir_Putin:_Comparison_to_Hitler. I'll be removing that as well. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 14:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Just a question. Should “demotion of mosques” be “demolition of mosques”? Demoting them does not make much sense, here. Kleuske ( talk) 14:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
@ RedHotPear: There's already a discussion going on on this page as well as on the BLP page, why would you add it back before building a consensus? Also, where do your sources say he is known for being a Hindu Nationalist or an Anti-Muslim person? One of the sources that are cited on that line says this also. "“Swamy is a closet secularist,” Mr. Nalapat said. “Otherwise, how do you explain his family?” Mr. Swamy’s wife, Roxna, is a member of the Parsi community, which emigrated centuries ago from Iran. One of his sons-in-law is Muslim." Regarding the Imran Khan comment, it doesn't fit the section and it looks highly unencyclopedic. Imran is no subject matter expert, adding his opinion doesn't add much to Swamy's biography. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 06:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
That's what our guidelines say. Doug Weller talk 19:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I think this article is not properly structured. Can we work on restructuring this article?
There are two separate sections for 'Early Life and Education' and 'Personal Life'. This is inconsistent with most of the Wikipedia articles I have seen. I was referring to Barack_Obama's article as it's a featured article, I think it's a good reference article. I think we can have a section called 'Early Life and Career' and in it we can have multiple sections like 'Education', 'Family', 'Religion', 'Academic Career', 'Political Career'.. maybe if we can gather info on his 'Wealth' then a section for that. The 'Personal Life' section can be replaced with 'Family' as in it we just have details of his family. I think the order should be like this.
Please give your ideas as well.
Amazingcaptain ( talk) 14:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
I have made the changes to the article. Some points to highlight -
Amazingcaptain ( talk) 19:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Snooganssnoogans: Could you show me the citation for Janata Party being a right wing political party? I am sure it is but I couldn't find any citation. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 19:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
In the article, there exists a statement that says "Swamy was one of the founding members of the right-wing Janata Party". I couldn't find a reference that Janata Party is a right-wing party. There is a citation at the end of the sentence which links to this book - http://worldcat.org/oclc/1090162885. I cannot access the book, however I searched extensively regarding "Janata Party" being a right wing party, even searched for quotes in this book and I couldn't find any references for it.Since I couldn't find anything, I added an inline 'citation needed' next to it. An editor reverted my changes saying that the citation is already present. I did not revert their changes but started a conversation here and asked them to provide the source for it as I clearly couldn't find it anywhere. Even the exact statement/quote from the book would have sufficed. I waited for a reasonable time but they didn't reply so I added the inline "citation needed" again. They again revert it without providing any information and add an edit warring warning on my talk page.
This same user in the past was edit warring claiming Subramanian Swamy is Anti-Muslim and said it is referenced in sources when in reality the referenced articles didn't mention anything about Swamy being being known for being Anti-Muslim. At that time also they added an Edit Warring warning on my talk page.
In both of this cases, they are failing to maintain an NPOV which is against BLP guidelines.
Can someone please tell me if I am in the wrong here and anything I could have differently since I think I have followed all the guidelines, started a discussion, waited for a reasonable time. This user on the other hand didn't wish to communicate at all and just reverts my changes adds edit-warring warnings on my talk page. I totally understand this party may be a right-wing party, I just don't like this behavior.
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Thanks for fixing it, @ Snooganssnoogans:. Next time before you accuse someone of edit warring and "tendentious edits", please read the sources you cite properly. I would appreciate if you also remove the edit warring warning from my page since you now understand where I was coming from. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 19:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Pharaoh of the Wizards:, You are correct that he was a member of the Janata Party and not Janata Dal. Do we have a source that Janata Party is a right wing party? If not can we remove it? The source talks about "Janata Dal" and not "Janata Party". Amazingcaptain ( talk) 20:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
It should be noted that the editorial recommending Muslims to acknowledge their Hindu Ancestry was not written by him. He has said numerous times that the content of the article was extracted from a book he wrote on Countering Islamic Terrorism, without his permission.
However, he has stood by his statements, just saying that the extracted portion was not adequate to explain his intentions.
His intentions, as he has said, is this.
Islam is becoming a global religion. To prevent any radicalisation of muslims, we must make them identify a common cultural past with Hindus. Muslims should see their national identity above their religious identity. Islamic leaders in India prefer to see muslims as descendents of those muslim invaders who came to india. DNA studies have proved the opposite and have said that they were converted during the mughal period. He merely wishes them to share a common culture with India and Hindus instead of the Middle east and Arabs.
And, on the interview that became popular,
Wire has apologized for editing the interview but has repeatedly refused to publish the whole interview for reasons unknown. According to dr Swamy, the context was made for Mulsims of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh where Islam is promoted as a state religion and other religions are not supported and supressed. He says that to India, the muslims and the minorities of these countries are not equal to the law. In many SC judgements, it has been stated that the right to equality is valid for people of same backgorund. We cannot treat muslims of pakistan as equal to the hindus or other minorities living there....
So, please change muslims in india to muslims of pakistan....
And, there is evidence to show that everytime there is a large muslim population in a country, even if they are in minority, they terrorize the majority, It would be humane to mention this when criticizing him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HinduRenaissance ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
The professorship details are inaccurate. He was a visiting professor at Harvard, never an Assistant professor or an Associate Professor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymeese1&2&3 ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
45.251.33.193 ( talk) 16:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Subramanian Swamy's Political Career section is unorganized. Just like George Fernandes's page [1], Swamy's political career section can be divided into "Early year"(which is already there), "Emergency era", "Minister of Commerce and Law", "1998-1999 era"(When he brought down Vajpayee's government). Electoral history subsection is not required, instead we can make new Section[named "Position held"] to add all the electoral history with other positions he held.
I am posting first in this talk page instead of directly doing this because Administrator are very rigid. They just revert all the changes without even caring for all the hardwork which is put into it.
Edit : I did some changes like removing line "Swamy was a long-time member......" in Early Politcs subsection as this incident is of 2013 so it should not be in early politics and it was already there in Later Years section in another form (last line). (2) I removed line "In the Narasimha Rao government..." in Minister of Commerce and Law of India subsection, as this incident did not happen when he was commerce minister. This happened in 1994 but he was commerce minister in 1990-1991. And first line of Later Years was this only. And I added the line In his book, Swamy asserts that Manmohan Singh acknowledges his role as well. also there in Later years section after that line. (3) Also added some more information about Minister of Commerce and Law of India section with required citation. Vanamonde93 Dshrm ( talk) 19:01, 3 January 2022 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dshrm ( talk • contribs) 18:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
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Views of any person keeps on changing. So I don't think it should be part of Wikipedia page. And some part of views can be added in Political career and Later years sections like his visit to China in 1981 and about Tamil Nadu politics. Dshrm ( talk) 13:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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...that this article was featured on the Did You Know? section of the Main Page on 22 September, 2005. The entry read "...that Dr.Subramanian Swamy worked towards normalizing relations between India & China and in 1981 he persuaded Deng Xiaoping to open the Kailash Mansarovar in Tibet to Hindu pilgrims from India? " -- Gurubrahma 12:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can someone knowledgeable throw light on what dialect of Chinese language, Dr. Subramanian Swamy was expert at? The page had Guoyeu before anon changed it to Hanyu. Asking just to confirm if it isn't a case of vandalism..... Gurubrahma 05:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Why is this article in a terrible state regarding NPOV? There is a lot of denigrating language about Swamy's opponents, as well as undue glorification. There is also a need for Wikification, modernization. - User:Rama's Arrow.
I applied the "ATTENTION" tag becoz: This whole article is about a man who leads a party that barely wins 1 seat in parliament each time. he has done no special work in his life. Most Indian PMs have smaller bios here! Somebody has to strip down the crap and produce a legitimate article. - User:Rama's Arrow.
Hi all,
The exploits reference can be found in the following page:
The exploits have been placed because they are a integral part of Subramaniam Swamy, that made him famous. This is the same reason due to which the theory of relativity has been placed in the Albert Einstein section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.56.193.118 ( talk • contribs)
I have reverted multiple edits by User:Gmauruthi as they are verbatim copyvio from [1]. This also does away the need for having the POV-section tag and factual accuracy tag inserted by other editors as the section itself is removed because of the copyvio. In the process, I've also reverted POV rant by an anon IP. The reversion has removed a fair-use image which I would not reinstate (as I'm not sure if it qualifies under fair use) and a link to Janata Party website which I would re-insert shortly. Trust this solves all the issues. -- Gurubrahma 06:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
If nobody can give me a reliable reference for the Sonia Gandhi story, I'm editing it out. Hornplease 17:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not understand why this article doesn't have an NPOV tag? As far as I can see the only references are either written by or associated with Dr Swamy himself. This is cause for serious concern. I am going to put in an NPOV tag here in a few days - however, I thought i'll put in a notice in the talk page before I do that. -- Rev.bayes 19:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Will the single-purpose accounts who persist in adding misleading text about Dr. Swamy's time at Harvard please source their additions? Hornplease 04:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
How can a ordinary MP from India possibly meet the premier of China? I think such a meeting is fictional. Anwar ( talk) 10:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Rajiv Gandhi Assasination Case's Jain Comission report says he is important person of the case, to be investgated. He should be having links with the assiasination of Rajiv Gandhi.
Watch the following video, which gives a new angle about him. Its true or false; its in the hands of CBI. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PY-yKwbH0c&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIXQf_lxoms&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZYhtG_1SE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2klM8KEzNU&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhagatbabu ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the following addition, per WP:BLP policy; the facts stated are not given in the source - there is no mention of Swamy in the link. Chzz ► 17:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Murder Case
Subramanian Swamy is a strong supporter of Sankaracharya of the Kanchi Mutt , the prime accused in the infamous Sankararaman murder case.<ref>http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/jan/21kanchi.htm</ref>
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I have removed the above section, which contained the following content:
Not a single one of the alleged references mentioned Subramanian Swamy, let alone support that he was "instrumental" in getting the stay from the Supreme Court. If this section is to be restored, it should contain third-party references which actually discuss his views, to prove that his views on the matter are notable and that he actually played a notable role in the events surrounding the act. Finally, there is no evidence that the bill was actually called "All Caste Becomes Priest Act"; I only see this term on Wikipedia, and I can't find any news coverage which actually names the bill rather than merely describing it. cab ( call) 14:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody throw light on the relationship between the newspaper The Hindu and Subramania Swamy. I ask this because the newspaper reports about every press conference he arranges, publishes every press statement he makes, publishes prominently articles written by him.
Andamannicobar ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC).
The 3 citations for this section are an article written by Dr. Swamy, a book written by him and his profile at an institution where he is the chairman which makes me wonder exactly how neutral (or true) the information is. Ashwan ( talk) 20:27, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
subramanian Swami was former member of RSS-- Vicharam ( talk) 19:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Image(Photograph) has "Moral issues" portrays "unfairly demean or ridicule the subject" see Wikipedia:Image use policy., "out of context to present a person in a a false or disparaging light". it looks as ferocious & "negative in appearance", Editors shall provide image, fair portrayal of him. Thistorian ( talk) 17:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
This is Encyclopedia,in Biography of living persons, long sentences should be avoided , trimmed & Summarised. excess informations like who said what? why? his reactions, what others felt, others opinion, shows like "Diary" & leads to trivia. Information in Controversy section should not be more detailed than actual whole Biography. It is negative portrayal & Maligning. Neutrality should be maintained. Thistorian ( talk) 17:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the section on the Twitter controversy and placed the article under semi protection for 2 weeks, as a result of the constant reverting. Please do not include defamatory quotes or tweets, even if they are sourced. All content added to this article must be subject to Wikipedia's neutrality and biographies of living persons policies. Harryboyles 20:30, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, all @Widr, @Frosty, @NeilN my query is regarding is on addition of heading in the article "Views on homosexuality". I have searched on the internet and youtube and have found that his view on homosexuality had come only once as his personal tweet. He had never again expressed his views again in the public press and social media, etc like wise he had expressed on other topics such as Economic and foreign affairs, corruption, religious views,views on Gandhi-Nehru family, etc repeatedly.
My question is that is it right to include his view on the topic, when that view had been expressed only once through twitter only, and not through the electronic media directly. Isn't it should be counted be as a trivial case and not be counted as a encyclopedic topic being included in wikipedia, it may appear as a case of vandalism also. Work2win ( talk) 20:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Based on the discussion with editors @Widr, @Frosty and @NeilN on their talk pages, talkpageWidr, talkpageFrosty and talkpageNeilN, i am now proceeding with removal of heading "Views on homosexuality" in the article. Work2win ( talk) 19:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, User:Fnordware thanks for pointing out the error
well first of all whatever editing i have done is with the consensus with editors who had also agreed with the point. You can raise your point with the editors and involve others. Second thing, not everything covered in the media should be put in the wiki articles, there are lot of news related with film industry(actor's personal lives) covered by the same mainstream media. To be very specific, for eg. there are many allegations put forward by Swamy against the Gandhi-Nehru family and covered by all the reliable media, should that also be included, only those which are consistent with policies of Wikipedia are finally accepted. The media publishes almost everything including anyone's view whether it is relevant or not. You can see Rahul Gandhi talk page where discussion shows why much of the data present in main media is not accepted in the article. Work2win ( talk) 20:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the content of the 'controversy' section, because I do not believe that the facts are verified by the sources provided, per WP:BLP. Content was as follows; Chzz ► 17:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Defamation.
Subramanian Swamy has a record of making defamatory remarks against prominent leaders like Jayalalithaa , Sonia Gandhi , P.chidambram etc , he has been accused of writting articles with false information and has lost lakhs of money due to defamation suits [1]
Hindutva
Subramanian Swamy believes in Hindutva and hindu nationalism and has opposed parties considered to be in the Secular group , he has given make firery speeches against Christians and Muslims and his party allied with the BJP although his party not won a single Lok Sabha seat since 1998 recently. [2] [3] [4]
Rajiv Gandhi Assassination
In January 1991, Swamy played the key role in dismissing Karunanidhi's government on the grounds of the ltte infiltration in Tamil Nadu. During Karunanidhi's rule, Rajiv Gandhi made 13 visits to Tamil Nadu between 1989 and 1991 and came to no harm. When the state came under President's rule in January 1991, Swamy had become the de-facto chief minister. Every day he used to declare that he had wiped out the ltte's presence in the state. It was in the fifth month of Swamy's rule that Rajiv Gandhi was killed in Tamil Nadu .The Outlook Magazine criticized Mr Swamy on his book on Rajiv's Assassination , the magazine said -' it's the turn of a poorly structured mystery novel to masquerade as an investigative book that purports to unearth the hidden truths behind the murder of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi. His title focuses purely on his agenda: to deflect and refract the questions posed to him after May 21, 1991, the day the human bomb felled Rajiv Gandhi'. 'This renders Swamy's every sentence suspect, and ensures that his book fails even as a murder mystery, providing no solutions'. [5]
THIS PERSON IS TRYING TO PROTECT SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY , THE REFERNCE IS CREDIBLE EVIDENCE , I OPPOSE THIS , WIKIPEDIA CANNOT BE CALLED NEUTRAL FOR SUCH ELEMENTS. —Preceding
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Blog links should not be considered valid references, because they just illustrate viewpoint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wecacuee ( talk • contribs) 20:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Blogs are self-published sources see WP:BLPSPS, WP:BLPEL, WP:BLPFR, every one please, quote the rules for better editing & understanding. Thistorian ( talk) 16:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I am adding Rajiv Gandhi assassination case issue. It is about Jain Commission. It cast doubt about his dealings and suspects him in the plot. We have to just mention about it. Without it Rajiv Gandhi assassination case is not completed one.. So i added small para. -- Kurumban ( talk) 21:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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Would an interview with Subramanian Swamy from 1987 be useful here as an external link? Focus of conversation is nuclear weapons policy. http://openvault.wgbh.org/catalog/V_C4A2F865578E4A4792944415C1C49351 (I helped with the site, so it would be conflict of interest for me to just add it.) Mccallucc ( talk) 16:25, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
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He is not anti-muslim. Utpalutkarsh ( talk) 19:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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talk) 19:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)The section is poorly written. Out of the four points mentioned there, three aren't even Anti-Muslim (more like pro-Hindu) and the bullet points aren't "suggestions" as the word mentioned there. For the fourth point, the article doesn't even mention Muslims in the voting right context. He has advocated that for all "Non-Hindus".
"Swamy had written a similar column in the new Indian Express...". I don't see any source for this, don't find anything on looking up either. Removed this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingcaptain ( talk • contribs) 06:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, removed the "disenfranchisement of Muslims" part as it is uncited and looks like the words in the article have been contorted there. Read the article properly before you contest that change. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 06:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Half of what is mentioned in the section aren't even his "views". They're just statements and FIRs. Why is it mentioned in the section? Let's remove that as well.
As a result of his "reprehensible" views in the articles, Harvard University cancelled two economics courses taught at the university by Swamy.[147][2]
On 3 August 2011 the National Commission for Minorities decided to file civil charges against Swamy for the article and promoting on the basis of religion.[148] On 4 October 2011 the Delhi Police registered the case.[149] Swamy was then granted police protection by the Delhi High Court.[150] On 30 January 2012 Swamy was granted anticipatory bail by the court with the condition that he would not write such articles in the future.[151]
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Mr. Subramanian Swamy is not ANTI-MUSLIM. He is liberal minded. Please remove this connotation. Wikirichiepedia ( talk) 12:06, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
One editor removed RS content which describes the BJP as Hindu Nationalist and the Janata Party as right-wing. There's no excuse for removing these descriptions. It's absolutely crucial context to most readers who will not be familiar with these parties. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 18:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Doug Weller: I will reiterate Cyphoidbomb's comment. The sources seem to be talking about a single op-ed written circa 2011 where he suggested that Muslims in India were descended from Hindus, and there were other, perhaps extreme opinions about curing terrorism that could have been seen as unfavourable toward Muslims. But a single op-ed 9 years ago doesn't sound like the basis for describing the subject as someone who is chiefly known for being anti-Muslim as the lead suggests. He even says in an article by The Atlantic that he is not against all Muslims. Since this is potentially defamatory, anyone wishing to reinstate it should seek consensus for inclusion per WP:BLP norms.
I will be removing it. Do not add it before seeking consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingcaptain ( talk • contribs)
@ Snooganssnoogans: Please read the discussion above. I'll be reverting your "he's known for being anti-muslim", and it shouldn't be there until a consensus is reached. Do not revert it. Regarding the Imran Khan Nazi comparison comment you added, it's unrelated to the section and comments like those shouldn't exist on BLPs. I find it funny that even though you know it's a BLP violation, you still added it - you started the below discussion talking about how comparison to Hitler is unencyclopedic but still you are doing something similar in this article. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Vladimir_Putin:_Comparison_to_Hitler. I'll be removing that as well. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 14:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Just a question. Should “demotion of mosques” be “demolition of mosques”? Demoting them does not make much sense, here. Kleuske ( talk) 14:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
@ RedHotPear: There's already a discussion going on on this page as well as on the BLP page, why would you add it back before building a consensus? Also, where do your sources say he is known for being a Hindu Nationalist or an Anti-Muslim person? One of the sources that are cited on that line says this also. "“Swamy is a closet secularist,” Mr. Nalapat said. “Otherwise, how do you explain his family?” Mr. Swamy’s wife, Roxna, is a member of the Parsi community, which emigrated centuries ago from Iran. One of his sons-in-law is Muslim." Regarding the Imran Khan comment, it doesn't fit the section and it looks highly unencyclopedic. Imran is no subject matter expert, adding his opinion doesn't add much to Swamy's biography. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 06:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
That's what our guidelines say. Doug Weller talk 19:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I think this article is not properly structured. Can we work on restructuring this article?
There are two separate sections for 'Early Life and Education' and 'Personal Life'. This is inconsistent with most of the Wikipedia articles I have seen. I was referring to Barack_Obama's article as it's a featured article, I think it's a good reference article. I think we can have a section called 'Early Life and Career' and in it we can have multiple sections like 'Education', 'Family', 'Religion', 'Academic Career', 'Political Career'.. maybe if we can gather info on his 'Wealth' then a section for that. The 'Personal Life' section can be replaced with 'Family' as in it we just have details of his family. I think the order should be like this.
Please give your ideas as well.
Amazingcaptain ( talk) 14:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
I have made the changes to the article. Some points to highlight -
Amazingcaptain ( talk) 19:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Snooganssnoogans: Could you show me the citation for Janata Party being a right wing political party? I am sure it is but I couldn't find any citation. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 19:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi,
In the article, there exists a statement that says "Swamy was one of the founding members of the right-wing Janata Party". I couldn't find a reference that Janata Party is a right-wing party. There is a citation at the end of the sentence which links to this book - http://worldcat.org/oclc/1090162885. I cannot access the book, however I searched extensively regarding "Janata Party" being a right wing party, even searched for quotes in this book and I couldn't find any references for it.Since I couldn't find anything, I added an inline 'citation needed' next to it. An editor reverted my changes saying that the citation is already present. I did not revert their changes but started a conversation here and asked them to provide the source for it as I clearly couldn't find it anywhere. Even the exact statement/quote from the book would have sufficed. I waited for a reasonable time but they didn't reply so I added the inline "citation needed" again. They again revert it without providing any information and add an edit warring warning on my talk page.
This same user in the past was edit warring claiming Subramanian Swamy is Anti-Muslim and said it is referenced in sources when in reality the referenced articles didn't mention anything about Swamy being being known for being Anti-Muslim. At that time also they added an Edit Warring warning on my talk page.
In both of this cases, they are failing to maintain an NPOV which is against BLP guidelines.
Can someone please tell me if I am in the wrong here and anything I could have differently since I think I have followed all the guidelines, started a discussion, waited for a reasonable time. This user on the other hand didn't wish to communicate at all and just reverts my changes adds edit-warring warnings on my talk page. I totally understand this party may be a right-wing party, I just don't like this behavior.
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Thanks for fixing it, @ Snooganssnoogans:. Next time before you accuse someone of edit warring and "tendentious edits", please read the sources you cite properly. I would appreciate if you also remove the edit warring warning from my page since you now understand where I was coming from. Amazingcaptain ( talk) 19:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Pharaoh of the Wizards:, You are correct that he was a member of the Janata Party and not Janata Dal. Do we have a source that Janata Party is a right wing party? If not can we remove it? The source talks about "Janata Dal" and not "Janata Party". Amazingcaptain ( talk) 20:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
It should be noted that the editorial recommending Muslims to acknowledge their Hindu Ancestry was not written by him. He has said numerous times that the content of the article was extracted from a book he wrote on Countering Islamic Terrorism, without his permission.
However, he has stood by his statements, just saying that the extracted portion was not adequate to explain his intentions.
His intentions, as he has said, is this.
Islam is becoming a global religion. To prevent any radicalisation of muslims, we must make them identify a common cultural past with Hindus. Muslims should see their national identity above their religious identity. Islamic leaders in India prefer to see muslims as descendents of those muslim invaders who came to india. DNA studies have proved the opposite and have said that they were converted during the mughal period. He merely wishes them to share a common culture with India and Hindus instead of the Middle east and Arabs.
And, on the interview that became popular,
Wire has apologized for editing the interview but has repeatedly refused to publish the whole interview for reasons unknown. According to dr Swamy, the context was made for Mulsims of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh where Islam is promoted as a state religion and other religions are not supported and supressed. He says that to India, the muslims and the minorities of these countries are not equal to the law. In many SC judgements, it has been stated that the right to equality is valid for people of same backgorund. We cannot treat muslims of pakistan as equal to the hindus or other minorities living there....
So, please change muslims in india to muslims of pakistan....
And, there is evidence to show that everytime there is a large muslim population in a country, even if they are in minority, they terrorize the majority, It would be humane to mention this when criticizing him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HinduRenaissance ( talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
The professorship details are inaccurate. He was a visiting professor at Harvard, never an Assistant professor or an Associate Professor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymeese1&2&3 ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
45.251.33.193 ( talk) 16:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Subramanian Swamy's Political Career section is unorganized. Just like George Fernandes's page [1], Swamy's political career section can be divided into "Early year"(which is already there), "Emergency era", "Minister of Commerce and Law", "1998-1999 era"(When he brought down Vajpayee's government). Electoral history subsection is not required, instead we can make new Section[named "Position held"] to add all the electoral history with other positions he held.
I am posting first in this talk page instead of directly doing this because Administrator are very rigid. They just revert all the changes without even caring for all the hardwork which is put into it.
Edit : I did some changes like removing line "Swamy was a long-time member......" in Early Politcs subsection as this incident is of 2013 so it should not be in early politics and it was already there in Later Years section in another form (last line). (2) I removed line "In the Narasimha Rao government..." in Minister of Commerce and Law of India subsection, as this incident did not happen when he was commerce minister. This happened in 1994 but he was commerce minister in 1990-1991. And first line of Later Years was this only. And I added the line In his book, Swamy asserts that Manmohan Singh acknowledges his role as well. also there in Later years section after that line. (3) Also added some more information about Minister of Commerce and Law of India section with required citation. Vanamonde93 Dshrm ( talk) 19:01, 3 January 2022 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dshrm ( talk • contribs) 18:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
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Views of any person keeps on changing. So I don't think it should be part of Wikipedia page. And some part of views can be added in Political career and Later years sections like his visit to China in 1981 and about Tamil Nadu politics. Dshrm ( talk) 13:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)